Newbie 1966: History [GAME OVER]

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VOTE: Moonchild

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At this very moment, my money is on JAKE/YIMMY scumteam.

Seems a little early to be pairing a scumteam together, no?

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Okay well if we are going to have a lynch I will Vote:Jake because he’s been really aggressive at times when his had the suspension on him.

This is pretty weak reasoning

My reason voting Moonchild was to get her to try to speak a bit more. Her argument for voting Jake wasn’t great (“he’s been quite aggressive”), but goes on to describe Jocus’s aggressiveness as being “very vocal”, and making her think he is a PR. Even if we ignore that, simply saying someone is PR is detrimental to the town, unless you’re trying to lead scum away from killing you during the night, which I doubt Moonchild has the experience to think about doing.

Besides, I don’t expect the vote to really go anywhere, I just want some explanations for this behaviour.

Any kind of accusing someone else of being a pr or hinting that you think they're acting the way they are because they're a pr tends to be against towns best interest, as mafia do go over that stuff when deciding to kill.

Yimmy:
Early in post 22 defending Jake like he knows he is innocent even voting Jocus why so confident? (Could also be protecting fellow scum)

Well, your reason for voting Jake in the first place wasn't great either

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Dunnstral: your post here is sort of worthless. first thing has already been said, second thing is basically just reiterating what was posted, and the third thing just isn't really productive because it doesn't elicit any response.

I'm not sure what problem you're having with my post even when you try to paint it in a bad light like this.

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Jocus' whole "tried to shoehorn a case, got caught, tried to cover by saying I meant it this way all along" NONSENSE is just that... nonsense. It's gross. It's laughable. Don't fall for it.

What are you referring to, by the way?

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VOTE: PyroDerma

He seems too sure of himself, and he's too qu ick to point at something as being definitely scum, and his vote included a lot of fanfare

I think Moonchild hsa a decent chance of being scum at the moment

PyroDerma: All in all, has a pretty sound ISO (although I did take problem to it), and really rounded as a Pro-Town player.

So is it a sound ISO, or did you take problem to it? Not sure what "really rounded as a pro-town player" is supposed to mean

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VOTE: EspeciallyTheLies

I don't really like the focus on pushing jocus

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Moonchild is 100% town for sure.

Uh... based on what?

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Moonchild is 100% town for sure.

Uh... based on what?

I believe the town slip was genuine.

What was the town slip?

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The current towncore I have is:
EpsTheLies, PyroDerma, and Myself.
EspTheLies is experienced as many have pointed out, but they were one really high advocator that I was scum. Now, I'm pretty sure that they were someone who suggested that we not lynch me just yet, even if I flip scum, as there wouldn't be enough Info for the 2nd scum.
PyroDerma: All in all, has a pretty sound ISO (although I did take problem to it), and really rounded as a Pro-Town player.
Myself: LAMIST

Especially is a shoe in definitely and I think they know it too :P

Pyro I’m fine with, but I’d like to see who else he thinks is scum other than myself.

What about the rest? Who’s scummier than who?

You're my top scumread, and Jocus is my close second. MoonChild, then Thesaurus Rex.

@LoserdudeOG while I do want a Jocus lynch right now, we do not need a quicklynch right now. I fully support their lynch, but for the sake of using the entire day, could you please unvote?

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If you think Jocus is town then you must also believe that I am scum. Why else would they be voting me?

This is a particularly flimsy argument

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I don't agree with saying that Jocus death tunneled you

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I don't agree with saying that Jocus death tunneled you

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I wasn't accusing you.

I believe this was directed at you Jake

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THEY HAVEN'T PRODUCED SHIT.

True, and they kind of gave up for no reason, which is a real reason to be wary of them

THEY HAVE DONE THE EQUIVALENT OF SAYING "X IS SCUM BECAUSE I SAID SO, AND I'M NOT READING ANYONE ELSE BECAUSE X IS SCUM"

I think it's pretty clear that they haven't done this, though

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When I was spamming buzzwords, I wasn't accusing Jake of them. I was giving examples of how a player could be scumread and not contribute at the same time.

@jake he said

when he was spamming buzzwords

he wasnt accusing you. read better.

Do you realize that you are not producing "content," by your definition, by telling others to produce content?

@Rex, explain how I can both be scumread and be accused of not making content?

Filler...
Lurking...
IIOA...
Soft fluffposting (posting about the game but making no real contributions)...
The list goes on...

This isn't accusing me via buzzwords?

I wasn't accusing you. Remember that you said how "could." I listed possible reasons that you could be scumread and not contribute at the same time.

Here's the full context, since I don't think 456 makes sense

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To further explain:

They are responding to your post in 167, even though it isn't directed at them, at theoretical ways you can be scumread while being accused of not making content

They were not saying that you were doing those things

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I think that asking for extensions in the main thread is bad form

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This is why you're scum RC. You are so forcefully deathtunneling but if you were actually town then you’d have the capacity to reevaluate.

All: Please let me know who you want to investigate with bold tags or something.

If you're really a cop then you're either dying or getting roleblocked, depending on the setup (you shouldn't have claimed)

UNVOTE:

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Like, it's an open setup, you didn't look at the grid before claiming?

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So, why am I in RC's lynch pool now?

Actually, why are we following RC at all. Let's lynch the moonchild slot, or something.

VOTE: Arkias

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So, why am I in RC's lynch pool now?

Actually, why are we following RC at all. Let's lynch the moonchild slot, or something.

VOTE: Arkias

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To further explain:

They are responding to your post in 167, even though it isn't directed at them, at theoretical ways you can be scumread while being accused of not making content

They were not saying that you were doing those things

Like that would be a rebuttal if my case on her was that she had TMI reads or something. I don't think I've presented a single TMI read case on her. MoonLight kinda but it's more about how she presents it than the argument that she doesn't have the information for it. I would turn that back on you and ask what if you're scumreading Jocus because he's bad?

Then I would say that they haven't offered any reads and at most has been tunneling me. I still don't get why you don't see how even when a town is pressed for reads for other people when death tunneling, they should at the very least consider doing it. Focus has done nothing of the sort. They aren't just bad, they're lazy. They're lazy because they are scum, because they're waiting for the town to self-destruct.

I don't think JTW took 461 into consideration at all, so th at's something

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Can I have a PT please

You have the ability to make threads in the private topic section

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Narrator's voice: They weren't good

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Have I made a St. Yimmy joke yet

no

So, why am I in RC's lynch pool now?

Actually, why are we following RC at all. Let's lynch the moonchild slot, or something.

VOTE: Arkias

Why does it bother you that people are following RC?

reads bad liberation good

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It's weird how much Menalque wants to lynch me here

And how they're hard-defending moonchild slot, actually

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Except Arkias voted for Menalque's slot, and I don't think that's a bus vote, on second thought

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VOTE: Menalque

Only reason i was voting Arkias was because I didn't have a better read to follow

Now I do

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It’s mentioned more than once in the opening mod posts

Scummy argument to be making here, to shade a newbie who replaced in especially

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The wa yyou're pushing me looks really manipulative, that's all I have to say

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Idk I think (loserdude, dunn) makes more sense than (ark, dunn)

I thought that moonchild had a bad entrance but now I’m wondering if the way that both dunn and loserdude hopped on then left it alone is team!indicstice for them

I think I prefer dunn over ark?

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I don't know how to interpret those posts other than you trying to get me lynched?

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I'm inclined to say that he just slipped knowledge of what setup we're in

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As long as there are no doctor claims today I don't see that happening vs just roleblocking the cop and trying to kill the doctor

I'm a little concerned that your initial post in 711 seemed like you were coming from a point of knowledge that you then had to step back from when people reacted

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Part of the concern comes from: why did you suddenly start talking about that?

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Basically, all of page 3 with Jocus is what annoys me -- then 79,

However, reading this over made me realize something, you're probably right. Jocus is just a weird death-tunneler who wanted Jake dead, and it's probably Yimmy/Dunn as the scum pair.

so, with that, I

intend

to hammer in a bit, but, first --

740 and 741.

I've come to hate the EC role. I'm not learning anything about the meta from any of the games I've been in, but at least the other EC I talked too kinda guided how the process was

supposed

to be done.

You, on the other hand, have done a complete page of spam and a fight with EtL that made them claim their power role, and I realize form that, its why the doctor role and roleblocker role can be infered.

Hell, your entire game method has been "Shut up, I'm good, follow my lead." Like, fuck you and fuck 729. What on earth are you hoping I contribute? After page 14 when I subbed in, a lot of the posting has been banality over nothing -- heck, page 15-17 is super egregious about it, and even 405 annoys me, since it's the same thing. "I am so glad you can tell me what to do." You've never at any point actually said what you want as a contribution. None of anyone writing comes off as 'scum-reads', and even reading the mafia newbie page guiude on how to identify it doesn't come off as anything. People can reasonably assume, with ETL claiming to be the Cop, what the layout of the roll is, and if there is a RB, then its cop and doctor -- which is a safe assumption.

So, for now, I fully

intend

to hammer Dun, but I want to see a response from them first. Till then, and to prevent anyone from hammering Jocus,

VOTE: RC

You shouldn't hammer me

But if we can build this wagon for today, that would be great

VOTE: Radiant Cowbells

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There isn't really a reason to be voting me, so I don't know what I'm supposed to say here

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All of a sudden Arkias is really towny

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Loserdude

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Maybe jake, maybe yimmy (I don't really know)

And you

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Yimmy asks a lot of questions but doesn't really do anything with the knowledge, and also doesn't seem to care when people don't respond to him

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I can see loser as town too

OK, let's vote Yimmy

VOTE: Yimmy

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Scum vs Scum

Two mafia fighting each other

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I was going back through some of Yimmys posts and this stands true most of the time.

This definitely feels more like bussing (term check?) than actual analysis.

Uh, why?

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That’s L-1, someone should intent and then hammer in like an hour unless dunn comes on and claims doc

ok

In that case, I'm doc

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We don't get any kind of conf either way, as explained earlier

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VOTE: Jake The Wolfie

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I don't want to vote loserdude


For future reference, doctor should be an unproveable claim day 1, since I can be roleblocked and the cop can be killed, which is why I didn't claim it when I first got to L1. Instantly believing the claim yesterday after being prompted for it is... kind of scummy, honestly. From Menalque.

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And yes, it is weird that I didn't die/was roleblocked today, but it's possible someone thought I was fakeclaiming since I didn't originally claim doctor at L-1

I don't think RC is confirmed town due to weird nightkill choices, for the record. There are enough players alive that both prs can still die by the time we get to 3 people alive

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Killing arkias today is ~not bad~ because you can still kill both prs, plus you get to push more newbies who are least likely to put up a good defense/look like scum

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But if he was posting a lot more, wouldn't that imply that he's town this time instead?

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I wasn't really implying you were scum with 977, moreso RC

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If you were, who would you kill?

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IF i made this kill as scum, which i almost never would, i made it to frame Dunnstral and mislynch him

ETL getting roleblocked confirms we're in the doctor setup though

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The fact that RC is not dead implies that I’m town

No it doesn't

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For one, RC isn’t dumb. Doc kill is obvious smart play choice. So for me that rules him out as scum. Assuming dunntown unless CC. That’s 2. Going from there, I dunno. Will think on it.

That’s leaves saus, yimmy, ldog and menalquiuie.

Gut impressions - ldog’s voting patterns are distasteful and look scummy on surface. Yimmy’s posts looked try hard to me but he seems fairly logical. I don’t see the kill coming from there but not in the way I don’t see it from RC. Or I guess not to the same degree. Only because I know how smart and intuitive he is. And I don’t know yimmy. Menalque is literally just “I don’t like your words” *shrug* I don’t know. Saus... I don’t know either.

The kill seems logical to me

Both prs will be dead by the final day

Going from 4 people to 3 people alive, nobody wonders why [the mafia] didn't die during the night, because they made that choice all the way back when there was 8 people alive, and of course the pr would die

Of course, mafia roleblocker is lynchable, so they probably don't think they'll be lynched.

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it's really not though because what you're failing to consider is that your slot never needs to be confirmed town

There's too many variables to say that mafia would play the way you say they are

Maybe the mafia goon switched vote when I claimed yesterday, and they didn't think they could pull off the cc, and the roleblocker didn't want to risk ccing with both prs alive

Maybe mafia weren't really sure if I was the doctor or not, due to the way I claimed, and didn't want to chance it

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Not really... there's a reason doc + cop or even mason + mason don't claim instantly on day 1 to win games

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ETL what do you think?

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I also don't see Saus as scummy right now so further explanation would be good

I don't think the speed of Jake lynch is a concern, we were at deadline basically when that happened

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VOTE: SausasaurusRex