Newbie 1966: History [GAME OVER]

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VOTE: SausasaurusRex
Welcome back to the scum life!

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This is Random Voting Stage. Due to a lack of evidence, we just vote randomly and joke (though some players do the latter for too long after RVS).

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Join the train?!

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Have some colored text. Don't like it? Call your local Scumteam to out themselves to prevent this so-called atrocity again!

Uh-huh?

VOTE:Jake the Wolfie

mod note: this is a joke

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Looks like someone didn't read my note to the mod...

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Jake the Wolfie, why did you overreact to RVS?

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I'd say it's overreaction since Jack's already played a Mafia game anymore and RVS isn't new to him: see https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=80327

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Serious complaints about RVS are overreactions. Usually the lynchee just ignores the RVS lynch or plays along with the joke.

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VOTE: SausasaurusRex
Welcome back to the scum life!

Since nothing else is happening, is there some history I'm not bothered to read up on, or is this just a random vote?

Isn't this a serious question? Isn't this a complaint?

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Do we have to vote in the first day??

You don't have to vote right now in the early day, but most times in this setup it'll hurt town if you vote for no one by the end of the day.

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At this very moment, my money is on JAKE/YIMMY scumteam.

Buddying early, huh?

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Hitler built roads.
Hitler was evil.
Therefore, building roads is evil.

Jake didn't care much last game.
Jake was scum last game.
Therefore, Jake doesn't care much when he is scum.
Jake cares about this game.
Therefore, Jake isn't scum.

If you want to PMeta yourself, at least provide examples of your town game.

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If you check that scumgame (my first one), you will see my distinct lack of posting, which indicates my lack of care towards the game. Now, you can either accept this, or

you can be wrong

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I was saying that in that game I did not care, therefore it is entirely possible for me to not know of RVS.

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You can be wrong = your scumread on me is wrong?
I don't know RVS = I'm town?

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I think it's pretty reasonable, but at the same time, it is entirely possible to be an attempt of pocketing.

If Yimmy is town, why is it reasonable for him to defend you, when he presumably doesn't know anything of your alignment. <<< This should be suspicious to you. Why isn't it?

And if you disagree with the above, then you must believe he's scum trying to pocket you, in which case my question becomes - why are you not voting for him?

p-edit - buncha posts to read

They could defend me because they read me as town. This is really unlikely.

Well, if I vote them now, you would only say it was because you called me out. If I don't vote them, you will call me out for not voting my scumread.
Solution? VOTE: Yimmy

Hmm...
Vote Yimmy to take the scumread off me...

VOTE: Jake

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Quick transition from defending each other to a conflict is a concern.

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Do something productive other than scumreading someone for the

exact

same reason as others.[/color]

It's fine for someone to say "I agree."

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You got a problem with people stating their opinions? Not all opinions are original. It's better for people to state agreement with others than to say nothing at all. Do you think that we have nothing to analyze if someone just says "I agree"?

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Seeing Jocus while going back through the thread he seems to continually attack jake at any opportunity he gets even going back to his old game to try and get us to believe him.

The old game was with Sausasaurus Rex, not Jake.

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Oh

I forgot that I mentioned that, only remember the game with Rex

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What do you think? I'm saying that I forgot that I mentioned that you've played one game on MafiaScum before.

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VOTE: SausasaurusRex
Welcome back to the scum life!

I've played a game with Rex before. This is a joke from it; see https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=81070.

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Okay well if we are going to have a lynch I will Vote:Jake because he’s been really aggressive at times when his had the suspension on him.

This is a reason, is it not?

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Can ThesaurusRex be more active? It's hard to progress the game when not everyone is participating.

Check his location; he's probably sleeping right now.

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VOTE: Jake

Stop sheeping and produce content, damnit!

Okay well if we are going to have a lynch I will Vote:Jake because he’s been really aggressive at times when his had the suspension on him.

This is a reason, is it not?

Lie to me right now and say that that's not what the argument is or relates to.

Do you realize that you are not producing "content," by your definition, by telling others to produce content?

Jake is walking himself into a hole. In conflict, he is carelessly further driving himself into suspicion by his aggression rather than seeking a way out. This could be super aggressive town who has fallen to his emotions, or it could be a scum play that messed up very early.

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Quicklynching anyone before two days in on D1 is an obvious scumtell. Would anyone be dumb enough to do it?

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Do you realize that you are not producing "content," by your definition, by telling others to produce content?

@Rex, explain how I can both be scumread and be accused of not making content?

Filler...
Lurking...
IIOA...
Soft fluffposting (posting about the game but making no real contributions)...
The list goes on...

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Main points are outside of spoilers.

Spoiler: Early Game Analysis

Anyway, can we get some discussion? You didn't confirm yourself early just to be inactive, yes?

This is the beginning of Jake's conductor mentality. Honestly, there's no reason to do this. If you want people to discuss, give a topic to discuss instead of just saying "please discuss." This is a common type of LAMIST.

VOTE: Jocus Aevorum
overreact? that's awfully negative language for asking questions. how was he supposed to react to rvs?

First non-RVS vote, note that the language is directly toward me rather than mainly defending Jake. Don't think this is buddying – too early for an unrelated chainsaw attack.

playing along or ignoring don't progress us out of RVS at all. i see what you're getting at but i firmly believe jakes reaction was the most productive.

Good thing to remember for the rest of the game. Also good to remember that progress in discussion is not always the same as progress for town.

It kinda seems like Jocus is reaching now.

Earlier than my conflict with Jake, seems that no one noticed. Not sure why people ignored it.

Points:
* Jake's conductor mentality started before my conflict with him, indicating that it's part of his overall strategy. While it may just be an aggressive attempt at town-leadering, it may also be LAMIST.
* Yimmy isn't buddying Jake right from the start.
* Moonchild was the first to raise the "grasping at straws" concern with me. Not sure why everyone ignored that comment.

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When I was spamming buzzwords, I wasn't accusing Jake of them. I was giving examples of how a player could be scumread and not contribute at the same time.

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I wasn't accusing you. Remember that you said how "could." I listed possible reasons that you could be scumread and not contribute at the same time.

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Myself: LAMIST

Accusing yourself of LAMIST?

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prodge

Moonchild is prob town
Saus is similar to Moonchild
Just emotionally manipulate Jake if you want a good read on him

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MafiaScum deadlines are very long; most forum websites use deadlines of two to three days.

Hammering a player early has an opportunity cost; you're weighing lynching your scumread while you can to allowing more discussion for more information.

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prodging again

I think my flip is essential today, not going aggressively for anyone's lynch right now

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Not a good idea to keep me in LYLO. Don't waste a cop inspect on me, which invites a plausible CC.