Newbie 1966: History [GAME OVER]

[Jake The Wolfie]

It is time to rumble and cause trumbles.

And derail the mafia's humble shumble.

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: SausasaurusRex
Welcome back to the scum life!

Since nothing else is happening, is there some history I'm not bothered to read up on, or is this just a random vote?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Lets gooooooooooooooooo VOTE: Moonchild

Again, any rhyme or reason to this, or just a random vote?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Have some colored text. Don't like it? Call your local Scumteam to out themselves to prevent this so-called atrocity again!

[Jake The Wolfie]

Have some colored text. Don't like it? Call your local Scumteam to out themselves to prevent this so-called atrocity again!

Uh-huh?

VOTE:Jake the Wolfie

mod note: this is a joke

(I'll use this color instead, as it is less similar to the host's color) how dare you vote me.

[Jake The Wolfie]

how dare you not read my sarcasm

[Jake The Wolfie]

Anyway, can we get some discussion? You didn't confirm yourself early just to be inactive, yes?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Jake the Wolfie, why did you overreact to RVS?

I do beg your pardon. I did not Overreact. I simply asked why you two voted people for no logical reason.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Hey guys I’ve never played before but just woke up and sent a confirmation

Good Day or Night. Even though there is very little to read right now, what is your current opinion on the Thread?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Hey guys I’ve never played before but just woke up and sent a confirmation

Good Day or Night. Even though there is very little to read right now, what is your current opinion on the Thread?

I’m not to sure but it seems a few people were already targeting me before I even started talking. Idk if it’s because I was quite or that it would be easy to get rid of me so they stay under the radar.

Anyone you would suspect?

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'd say it's overreaction since Jack's already played a Mafia game anymore and RVS isn't new to him: see https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=80327

That game was a few months ago, and I haven't really played Mafia here since. I have played Mafia on The Forum of Lies (see signature), but we don't do RVS there.

Anyone you would suspect?

At this moment not really there isn’t enough info

Fair.

[Jake The Wolfie]

im glad you cleared that up jocum, but my question "how was he supposed to react?" still stands

I think they expected me to not act like this, as I presumably has experience before.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Serious complaints about RVS are overreactions. Usually the lynchee just ignores the RVS lynch or plays along with the joke.

Since I was neither, how could I possibly over-react? I don't want to argue, as the could be a TvT situation, but I will push matters further if you do.

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: SausasaurusRex
Welcome back to the scum life!

Since nothing else is happening, is there some history I'm not bothered to read up on, or is this just a random vote?

Isn't this a serious question? Isn't this a complaint?

That is a serious question.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Could we get more people's opinions
on this? It would give more content to

ignore

respond to.

[Jake The Wolfie]

[

This loss happened to be a mind-opening experience.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Totally forgot this game was a thing. My bad.

I really like Moonchild's posts thusfar. I think the answers she had to Jake's questions came off genuine and interested. I don't get the sense that there's an agenda there, at least not yet. And then there was the town slip, so

Jake, not so much. I'm not sure how I feel about the questions. They seem kind of forced, but (page 2) it was still RVS. Could be null. Post 38 is just... weird...

Serious complaints about RVS are overreactions. Usually the lynchee just ignores the RVS lynch or plays along with the joke.

Since I was neither, how could I possibly over-react? I don't want to argue, as the could be a TvT situation, but I will push matters further if you do.

It's like he's claiming ignorance while at the same time showing enough experience to state the interaction "could be TvT". And then to have Yimmy come to his rescue out of nowhere, just kind of smells of scumbuddies.

I like Jocus' motivation - he went out of his way to check Jake's previous games to see if what he was seeing was actually something worth pushing or just a gut reaction. Good town thinking there.

I also quite like Pyro's entrance and follow-up posts. I'd like to see what comes of his "hitting the ISOs".

At this very moment, my money is on JAKE/YIMMY scumteam.

VOTE: jake

If you check that scumgame (my first one), you will see my distinct lack of posting, which indicates my lack of care towards the game. Now, you can either accept this, or you can be wrong.

[Jake The Wolfie]

What do you think of Yimmy's defense of you then?

I think it's pretty reasonable, but at the same time, it is entirely possible to be an attempt of pocketing. Now, before you probably say "You're throwing shade on your scumbuddy to make yourself more town", yes this could be a possibility, but not the only possibility.

Hitler built roads.
Hitler was evil.
Therefore, building roads is evil.

Jake didn't care much last game.
Jake was scum last game.
Therefore, Jake doesn't care much when he is scum.
Jake cares about this game.
Therefore, Jake isn't scum.

If you want to PMeta yourself, at least provide examples of your town game.

I was saying that in that game I did not care, therefore it is entirely possible for me to not know of RVS.

[Jake The Wolfie]

If you check that scumgame (my first one), you will see my distinct lack of posting, which indicates my lack of care towards the game. Now, you can either accept this, or

you can be wrong

.[/color]

I was saying that in that game I did not care, therefore it is entirely possible for me to not know of RVS.

(bold added)

You can be wrong = your scumread on me is wrong?
I don't know RVS = I'm town?

Let me make this clear: I will not be deathtunneled.
Anyway, I never once said your scumread was wrong. I'm discrediting it because it was built on a foundation of lies.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I think it's pretty reasonable, but at the same time, it is entirely possible to be an attempt of pocketing.

If Yimmy is town, why is it reasonable for him to defend you, when he presumably doesn't know anything of your alignment. <<< This should be suspicious to you. Why isn't it?

And if you disagree with the above, then you must believe he's scum trying to pocket you, in which case my question becomes - why are you not voting for him?

p-edit - buncha posts to read

They could defend me because they read me as town. This is really unlikely.

Well, if I vote them now, you would only say it was because you called me out. If I don't vote them, you will call me out for not voting my scumread.
Solution? VOTE: Yimmy

[Jake The Wolfie]

I was saying that in that game I did not care, therefore it is entirely possible for me to not know of RVS.

What is the relevance of this statement....?

The relevance is that I was pointing out a flaw in their argument, making it less reliable.

I never once said your scumread was wrong. I'm discrediting it because it was built on a foundation of lies.

Oh wow this is basically a paraphrasing of "scum caught for the wrong reasons"

If someone said the Earth was Flat because they said so, they would not be taken as seriously as someone who says The Earth is Flat because we have evidence of it. Both are wrong, but one is less "wrong" than the the other. Likewise, the Scumread is wrong, but it wouldn't be as wrong if they used better reasoning.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I think it's pretty reasonable, but at the same time, it is entirely possible to be an attempt of pocketing.

If Yimmy is town, why is it reasonable for him to defend you, when he presumably doesn't know anything of your alignment. <<< This should be suspicious to you. Why isn't it?

And if you disagree with the above, then you must believe he's scum trying to pocket you, in which case my question becomes - why are you not voting for him?

p-edit - buncha posts to read

They could defend me because they read me as town. This is really unlikely.

Well, if I vote them now, you would only say it was because you called me out. If I don't vote them, you will call me out for not voting my scumread.
Solution? VOTE: Yimmy

Hmm...
Vote Yimmy to take the scumread off me...

VOTE: Jake

See what I mean? Damned if I do, damned if I don't I guess.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I think it's pretty reasonable, but at the same time, it is entirely possible to be an attempt of pocketing.

If Yimmy is town, why is it reasonable for him to defend you, when he presumably doesn't know anything of your alignment. <<< This should be suspicious to you. Why isn't it?

And if you disagree with the above, then you must believe he's scum trying to pocket you, in which case my question becomes - why are you not voting for him?

p-edit - buncha posts to read

They could defend me because they read me as town. This is really unlikely.

Well, if I vote them now, you would only say it was because you called me out. If I don't vote them, you will call me out for not voting my scumread.
Solution? VOTE: Yimmy

Hmm...
Vote Yimmy to take the scumread off me...

VOTE: Jake

Do you think I'm scum, or am I scummier than Yimmy?

[Jake The Wolfie]

From what I’ve read I’m suspicious of Jake and Yimmy, they seem to be putting the blame on each other to avoid suspicion.

As I said before, I can either vote them and be called scum or not vote them and be called scum.
Quote where they even suspected me as scum.
Do something productive other than scumreading someone for the

exact

same reason as others.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Do something productive other than scumreading someone for the

exact

same reason as others.[/color]

It's fine for someone to say "I agree."

That's both lazy and unproductive, and I will scumread you if you just say "I agree", even if directed at me.

Quick transition from defending each other to a conflict is a concern.

Quote me where they turned on me. They haven't. They haven't even spoken about it yet.

[Jake The Wolfie]

You got a problem with people stating their opinions? Not all opinions are original. It's better for people to state agreement with others than to say nothing at all. Do you think that we have nothing to analyze if someone just says "I agree"?

Moonchild hasn't produced much content, and I'm being scumread for pushing it? No wonder we're lynching a town D1 instead of pushing for content.

Do something productive other than scumreading someone for the

exact

same reason as others.[/color]

It's fine for someone to say "I agree."

That's both lazy and unproductive, and I will scumread you if you just say "I agree", even if directed at me.

Quick transition from defending each other to a conflict is a concern.

Quote me where they turned on me. They haven't. They haven't even spoken about it yet.

I was stating what I saw and how I feel even if it is the same as others. You on the other hand have started to become a lot more defensive, scumread me all you want you want but I’m trying to figure things out.

Quote me on where Yimmy attacked me or GTFO.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'm not buying the whole "oops i forgot about this im coming in late" then giving us a bunch of info that put us on the hunt of a jake/yimmy team. I definitely think that one of these people is his scumbuddy and that hes throwing them under the bus to prove his reliability.

When I flip town, will you still think a quick lynch is nessecary? I'm at L-2 right now, and I'm almost sure there's a scum on me who saw my proacivity as a bad, bad thing.

Also thoughts on literally anyone else, or is this a death tunnel on a town? You're being opportunistic because of that vote on me. VOTE: LoserdudeOG

[Jake The Wolfie]

Seeing Jocus while going back through the thread he seems to continually attack jake at any opportunity he gets even going back to his old game to try and get us to believe him.

Your point?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Seeing Jocus while going back through the thread he seems to continually attack jake at any opportunity he gets even going back to his old game to try and get us to believe him.

I think Jocus is aggressive af, but town

Well, I wouldn't expect a scum to see a death tunnel.
I think the Scum team is most likely LoserdudeOG/Focus Aevorum

[Jake The Wolfie]

Seeing Jocus while going back through the thread he seems to continually attack jake at any opportunity he gets even going back to his old game to try and get us to believe him.

The old game was with Sausasaurus Rex, not Jake.

What in Corax's name are you talking about?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Oh

I forgot that I mentioned that, only remember the game with Rex

What in Mithras' name are you even saying?

[Jake The Wolfie]

What do you think? I'm saying that I forgot that I mentioned that you've played one game on MafiaScum before.

This is the first time you've said anything about this Rex game.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I changed my vote BTW. Also, can I get out of L-2? We do not need to quick lynch a town D1

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: SausasaurusRex
Welcome back to the scum life!

I've played a game with Rex before. This is a joke from it; see https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=81070.

I did ask if there was history, and about 100 posts later I finally get an answer

[Jake The Wolfie]

The logic actually indicates yimmy is more likely scum in the scenario since he came to jakes rescue for literally no discernible reason, and while Jake could be his buddy there is equal likelihood he’s being whiteknighted.

VOTE: yimmy

At least someone sees "Jake being pocketed" as a possibility.

Okay well if we are going to have a lynch I will Vote:Jake because he’s been really aggressive at times when his had the suspension on him.

Do you want me to just give up instead? That is not the town mindset. You absolutely must avoid just giving up at all costs, or else you develop apathy, or a lack of care for the game. And apathy spreads, no matter what your role card says.
It's hard not to scumread everyone who's voting me without responding to my other points, and it will be sad when we inevitably lose thanks to the town listening to scum who deepwolf themselves.

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: Jake

Stop sheeping and produce content, damnit!

[Jake The Wolfie]

Can ThesaurusRex be more active? It's hard to progress the game when not everyone is participating.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Okay well if we are going to have a lynch I will Vote:Jake because he’s been really aggressive at times when his had the suspension on him.

This is a reason, is it not?

Lie to me right now and say that that's not what the argument is or relates to.

[Jake The Wolfie]

The fact that I hit L-1 so early is not disconcerting to anyone? Scum was trying to quicklynch me. Open your damn eyes, people, or else you might as well take them out.

So, ISO comparisons and tracking is hard. I now have multiple windows open, and a paper noteboook, and it's just a mess.

Even though I think that Jake is kind of a pain, and being aggro instead of cooperative...and I think that sowing chaos skews hard-scummy, it is earlyish on day 1. L-1 leaves the option for an oops-hammer (or faux-oops-hammer). However, if we're going to ask for a claim, that's OK too...

For now, either force claim if we think it's worth it, or perhaps someone could pull us back just a bit from the brink?

Back soon.

Other than me, who would you kill right now? Who would you Bulletproof? We need more content than "I promise an ISO soon, just give me time" bullshit.

Just realised -

This is L-1

And you don't at the very least immediately unvote? You calling this out makes me think that you wanted someone to hammer me so the blood wouldn't be on your hands.

Okay so I was looking at other mafia games and should we start asking questions cause at the moment we aren’t getting anywhere.

Asking questions is how I got scumread. Progressing the game = scum, apparently.

upon further thought: while voicing who you think is a pr is absolutely not good town play, it would also be poor scum play. everything else still stands, though.

They did claim to be new, so they might not have known better as scum.

VOTE: Jake

Stop sheeping and produce content, damnit!

Okay well if we are going to have a lynch I will Vote:Jake because he’s been really aggressive at times when his had the suspension on him.

This is a reason, is it not?

Lie to me right now and say that that's not what the argument is or relates to.

Do you realize that you are not producing "content," by your definition, by telling others to produce content?

Jake is walking himself into a hole. In conflict, he is carelessly further driving himself into suspicion by his aggression rather than seeking a way out. This could be super aggressive town who has fallen to his emotions, or it could be a scum play that messed up very early.

And all you've done is say "Jake is scum because of the content that I'm saying they didn't make, therefore scum"

[Jake The Wolfie]

@EspeciallyTheLies, I haven’t played with anyone except Jocus before.

PyroDerma hasn’t really done anything of note yet.

With Moonchild... yeah, I get what you’re saying. Her slip-ups are extreme, but she doesn’t seem to know what’s going on. Despite this, she says she has read other mafia games, but still doesn’t seem to know the basics. She also claims we’re “not getting anywhere”, despite having gone from having literally no information (a part from the two mafia) to having some early reads. It’s as if she hasn’t really been paying attention, but is also trying really hard to keep up. It’s all just a little off-putting. You’re probably right, but I’m going to leave my vote on her for now. I don’t expect her to get lynched, though.

P-edit: Jake, you’re supposed to say if you realise you put someone at L-1. I thought leaving you there (at least for a short time) would promote some discussion, but instantly removing it would just look like I was scum that got cold feet. Therefore, I left it for a short time, and you’ll notice it provoked some discussion - I.e. especiallyTheLies.

And what if I was quicklynched? The quicklyncher could've easily claimed "They were scummy" without any explanation, and the apparent leader (Jocus) would Deathtunnel anyone who asks for an explanation for why.

[Jake The Wolfie]

What makes you think Jocus would be able to make an entire bandwagon based on someone asking why? People would see the scuminess of a player who can provide no good explanation for their lynching of another player, and, in so doing, eliminate a mafia. There is no way people would vote someone simply for asking why.

I mean, if he's able to lead a lynch on me for evidence that he doesn't have, and he admits to not having, he can do pretty much anything.

Quicklynching anyone before two days in on D1 is an obvious scumtell. Would anyone be dumb enough to do it?

You're shitting me right now. You're actually being reasonable for once?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Do you realize that you are not producing "content," by your definition, by telling others to produce content?

@Rex, explain how I can both be scumread and be accused of not making content?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Now: From scummiest to towniest: LDude Sauce Dunnstral Jakes Yimmy Jocus ETLies MoonC ME <---- note unreliable self-analysis

Then put your vote on LDude, or else they're clearly not your top scumread. Unless you're saying you are your own top scumread?

[Jake The Wolfie]

I hope no one expected a quote-filled exposition like some of the excellent ones above. When I 'hit the ISOs', I just got the following reads.

Moonchild: Either splendor-in-the-grass total neophyte who hasn't read old games or the wiki, or the baby in Who Framed Roger Rabbit with the cigar and the 5 o'clock shadow. Early townslip, plus one-line responses make a read difficult. I feel town-ish now but if I try to snuggle the Moonchild and end up with a stilletto in the back, I wouldn't be too too surprised. GTMH, naive town.

Jakes: The aggro method might be real, but it sows chaos. Would rather see a few other people pressured before we decide. If someone wanted to push a policy lynch for increasing town entropy, OK. Slight scum. *note since draft...missed the vote change, some of the above is less relevant.*

Sauce: On one hand, his feelings about Jakes are very close to my own... Jake is full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. OTOH, in post 46, he said "they haven’t gotten anywhere close a lynch." Do townies call the town "they" or "we?" "We," right? That makes me worry about LDude, as perhaps they were playing roles but forgot to adjust pronouns? I think the slip is real. Scum.

Jocus: Seems measured and helping with scumhunting, if only a bit. Tunnelling Jakes works for me right now, but that may be seen in a different light later. Lean Town.

Yimmy: Null. "Defense of Jakes" as a scumbuddy early was awfully mild...more of a challenge to Jocus. I get having to push something in RVS, but that seems bogus.

Dunnstral: Lurking. That's scummy. Scum until otherwise proven... May be protecting one of the Yimmy/Jakes pairing he defended POST 98

ETLies: Really good player, compliments other, makes good points. Analyses are reasonable and fit the quotations. If he's scum, I am very worried... Lean town.

LDude: Posts 91 and 92 are super-sketchy. 91 What if he scum-knows Jake will flip town, and has make a primrose path right to ETLies. He knows Jake is hurting, what if he parlays that into two mislynches when Jake flips town and are pointed at Yimmy?. 92 Accuse two of being scumbuddies...how can know you'll get to bus the right one? Again, assume Jakes gets lynched, if we trust this analysis, he's pointed us at ETLies AND Yimmy. Read: Scummy AF

Now: From scummiest to towniest: LDude Sauce Dunnstral Jakes Yimmy Jocus ETLies MoonC ME <---- note unreliable self-analysis

Let's go through this

Moonchild: Claimed to go through other games on the site, 135. With this in mind, they must be treated as a more advanced player than a complete newbie, as they claimed it.

Jake: Locktown. 100%.

Sauce: "They" could also refer to a person. And it seems like in 46, that is exactly what they were referring to.

Jocus: Death Tunneling because I asked questions to (unknowingly) get us out of RVS is a pro-town move? No. It is not.

Yimmy: I think Yimmy was defending me as either a push against Jocus, pocketing, or defending me. Maybe a combo of them.

Dunnstral: I agree with this. Dunnstral RVS'd Moonchild then basically left. Their entire ISO is 3 posts long.

ETLies: Not much to say about this. This are a Semi-Exp player. I'll probably do an analysis of any scum games they have vs Town, and compare it with this one.

LDude: This does know I'll flip town, and when I do, ETLies will most likely flip town too. This is a case of TMI. This also had an opportunistic vote on me

Pyro: Overall, it took awhile and I wish there was more, but I do love the effort into this ISO list. I do agree with some parts, but I do disagree with others.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Now: From scummiest to towniest: LDude Sauce Dunnstral Jakes Yimmy Jocus ETLies MoonC ME <---- note unreliable self-analysis

Then put your vote on LDude, or else they're clearly not your top scumread. Unless you're saying you are your own top scumread?

I take poorly to instructions from the likes of you.

Again, if you're town, settle down. Missed the reduction in your votecount, and am glad we're going to do more factfinding. But, again, I'm not entirely averse to a policy lynch because of your unhelpful behavior. Jocus doesn't seem to be panicking. We'll get votes moved as things develop. I like you at L-2, just not at L-1.....yet.

My vote will move when I see good reason for it. Not now, as I expect some fireworks this evening (USA Eastern time). Fireworks are a learning experience.

I will say if you go off on some lame rant because of my reply, that fuels the scumfire...as policy, or just for general scumspewing...and, no one will be surprised. Town's chill at 7 days left in Day1, because we have several more wagons to build.

64 has something to say to you.

[Jake The Wolfie]

UNVOTE: Jake

This is quite sudden. Why?

[Jake The Wolfie]

@LoserdudeOG what significance does it have that I say that I'm lock town? In my eyes, I am the most confirmed person as town. Scum reading me because I know that I'm town is, at best, disingenuous and at worst, outright deceitful.

[Jake The Wolfie]

FOS: LoserdudeOG

You're 7th place in terms of actual number of posts. Post more, damnit!

[Jake The Wolfie]

Jake, mister, you are wild n crazy.

I'm not the one who has barely posted at all.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Jake, mister, you are wild n crazy.

I'm not the one who has barely posted at all.

Talk about something else.

@Moonchild. Top 3 scumreads, go.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Jake, mister, you are wild n crazy.

I'm not the one who has barely posted at all.

Talk about something else.

@Moonchild. Top 3 scumreads, go.

Oh dear God...Jakes, I get you're stoked that you may have survived...but, oy, with the bossy and the yelly. Posting is low effort. THINKING is where it's at, brother. You make a shitty conductor...just play your instrument.

Not like there is anything going on right now. I'm getting activity, something that we are lacking right now.

[Jake The Wolfie]

@jake you have the quality of leadership that makes me want to do the opposite of what you

demand

me to do

Are you voting your top scumread, or a LHF?

[Jake The Wolfie]

idk what LHF is

Low hanging fruit, or an "easy lynch"

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'm deliberating that rn. Overnight my suspicions grew on Moonchild, but that all went out the door when I realized I was wrong about one of her posts. Still seems like shes bandwaggoning where ever the more experienced players are going which is something to keep an eye on. NOW I'm considering Jocus due to ETL pointing out he is using buzzwords (something I looked up on the wiki last night ). I was honestly considering changing my vote to him until you called yourself low hanging fruit. That rubbed me the wrong way. Almost like you are aware that the way you are posting and talking to people paints a target on your back, yet you do nothing to change the way you post. Seems like I should shoot at the target no?

So, it is on your top scumread, only because I asked you the question.

When I was spamming buzzwords, I wasn't accusing Jake of them. I was giving examples of how a player could be scumread and not contribute at the same time.

Do I really have to quote you accusing me, or can you just not?

[Jake The Wolfie]

@jake

what

is on my top scumread?

Your vote.

[Jake The Wolfie]

When I was spamming buzzwords, I wasn't accusing Jake of them. I was giving examples of how a player could be scumread and not contribute at the same time.

@jake he said

when he was spamming buzzwords

he wasnt accusing you. read better.

Do you realize that you are not producing "content," by your definition, by telling others to produce content?

@Rex, explain how I can both be scumread and be accused of not making content?

Filler...
Lurking...
IIOA...
Soft fluffposting (posting about the game but making no real contributions)...
The list goes on...

This isn't accusing me via buzzwords?

[Jake The Wolfie]

He claims that it wasnt? its up to us to decide if hes telling the truth no?

If I claim just now that I didn't just say "This isn't accusing me via buzzwords?" you wouldn't call me a liar? Or would you quote me on where I did say it? They claimed something, and I brought evidence to the contrary. You can deny the evidence all you want,l but it won't change the fact that they lied.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I definitely think that one of these people is his scumbuddy and that hes throwing them under the bus to prove his reliability.

@pyro this was the post I was referring to. I could have sworn that you or someone else posted after you iso analyses about me using they to refer to town, but I cant seem to find it. Thats what I get for writing an explanation after staying up til 6am

Suuuuuuuuuure. Ok. Right.

OMG it was 6am and I was tired and OMGUS...

You're scum.
Said it, believe it. Anybody got a hammer?

We still got about a week left, and we don't have a scumcore/towncore set.

[Jake The Wolfie]

The current towncore I have is:
EpsTheLies, PyroDerma, and Myself.
EspTheLies is experienced as many have pointed out, but they were one really high advocator that I was scum. Now, I'm pretty sure that they were someone who suggested that we not lynch me just yet, even if I flip scum, as there wouldn't be enough Info for the 2nd scum.
PyroDerma: All in all, has a pretty sound ISO (although I did take problem to it), and really rounded as a Pro-Town player.
Myself: LAMIST

[Jake The Wolfie]

The current towncore I have is:
EpsTheLies, PyroDerma, and Myself.
EspTheLies is experienced as many have pointed out, but they were one really high advocator that I was scum. Now, I'm pretty sure that they were someone who suggested that we not lynch me just yet, even if I flip scum, as there wouldn't be enough Info for the 2nd scum.
PyroDerma: All in all, has a pretty sound ISO (although I did take problem to it), and really rounded as a Pro-Town player.
Myself: LAMIST

Especially is a shoe in definitely and I think they know it too

Pyro I’m fine with, but I’d like to see who else he thinks is scum other than myself.

What about the rest? Who’s scummier than who?

You're my top scumread, and Jocus is my close second. MoonChild, then Thesaurus Rex.

[Jake The Wolfie]

@LoserdudeOG while I do want a Jocus lynch right now, we do not need a quicklynch right now. I fully support their lynch, but for the sake of using the entire day, could you please unvote?

[Jake The Wolfie]

@jake UNVOTE: Jocus

UNVOTE: LoserdudeOG
Thank you, for now.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Dunnstral has been prodded
Moonchild has been prodded
They have

(expired on 2019-11-18 21:03:26)

until they are replaced.

VC on the way

Soon

[Jake The Wolfie]

@Dunnstral Who is your top 3 scumreads, and why?

[Jake The Wolfie]

@Jake, what was it that made you scumread me?

@Jake, how come you just completely ignored me?

I probably scumread you because you weren't posting content.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Really didn't think that scum would have played like my predecessor but I'll be honest that I wasn't 100% 100% sure he was town, glad they didn't end up being scum.

Yeah Yeah, stop being LAMIST. I'm the only one allowed to do it.

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: Jocus Aevorum

I think now would be a good time to lynch Jocus Pocus.

[Jake The Wolfie]

That's, uh, pretty out of nowhere

Then you clearly haven't read my relentless crusade against Jocus.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Well I think Jocus is town and you haven't responded at all to anything that happened over the last few pages besides to reiterate reads you already held before them. Did nothing either me or ETL or LDog say change your reads on anything?

If you think Jocus is town then you must also believe that I am scum. Why else would they be voting me?
Also, why don't you post all of your thoughts into one post instead of making 10 pages of messages a day?

[Jake The Wolfie]

If you think Jocus is town then you must also believe that I am scum. Why else would they be voting me?

This is a particularly flimsy argument

We're in a thunderdome right now. Either I or Jocus is scum. And Jocus hasn't acted as a town would, only tunneling one person without reading others, even when others tell them to read others.

[Jake The Wolfie]

We're in a thunderdome right now. Either I or Jocus is scum. And Jocus hasn't acted as a town would, only tunneling one person without reading others, even when others tell them to read others.

I don't have any evidence that you're competent enough that your thunderdomes are guaranteed to be TvS.
I have a ton of evidence that my D1 reads are good enough that if I'm townreading both of you you're probably both town and if I'm scumreading ETL she's probably scum.

If you think you're so good that your thunderdome's are by definition TvS I welcome you to provide me the site that you come from so I can verify that claim for myself.

Otherwise, I'm going to vote for the person that I think is scum and not the person that I think has played in a towny manner.

Cough cough

[Jake The Wolfie]

I mean, that's dumb. Not everyone is equally talented at catching scum and people's scumreads aren't equal. If NSG scumreads someone and ABR scumreads someone else and I have little engagement in the game to determine my own scumreads I am going to vote the person that NSG scumreads over the person that ABR scumreads.

You practically said "I am

Incredibly

good at finding scum, therefore I both cannot be scum and my scumreads are correct"

[Jake The Wolfie]

Seriously, why is me saying that I think my reads are pretty good different than you telling me I gotta respect your thunderdome with Jocus?

If you cannot see that Jocus has deathtunneled me since Page 1, then you need to re-read the entire game again.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Like I don't care. I don't think that's good evidence one way or another for either of your alignments. I'm not scumreading either of you independently of that. I am interested in flipping scum.

Then vote Jocus. Unless Deathtunneling without producing any meaningful content is a bad scumtell, Jocus is scum. They must be scum.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Unless Deathtunneling without producing any meaningful content is a bad scumtell

It is an

extremely

bad scumtell. I would argue that it's a towntell except when applied to a certain category of player.

Quote me where Jocus has given any content other than "Jake is scum"

[Jake The Wolfie]

Like I understand the position you're coming from because I've seen it before from a lot of newbies but this interaction is if anything convincing me more that you/Jocus is TvT.

Do you think that I'm scum defending Jocus?

You are defending a scum who has deathtunneled me because "Oh well town can deathtunnel and town mostly deathtunnels therefore Jocus is town"
No. That is now how this works. Jocus has found each and every word that I have typed here to be SAI.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Does that make him scum though? Like...

Jocus is scum. They find scumtells in every word I have typed, every content I have made, every argument I have given, etc. Even when I flip scum, I wouldn't be surprised if they call it a moderror or a bastard game, even though it cannot be either.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Even when I flip scum,

owo what's this desu

If you honestly think that I meant this the way it was typed, then you are delusional.

It's not scummy to have wrong reads you know.

Regardless of your confidence in them

It is scummy to not change your reads when the person you're scumreading gives you reason to doubt their scuminess.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Jake you're not obvtown. I have a lot of ways of generating townreads on people that other people don't have. I don't find scumreading you outright to be an unlikely town position. I am not going to end up voting Jocus at EOD because I don't think that he is scum and I think that ETL is. That's really the end: if you had a case that wasn't him calling you scum I'd take it seriously but that's all you've put forward so far.

It's not jsut the fact that he's called me scum. It's the fact that they have NOT read everyone else AT FUCKING ALL. EVEN WHEN ASKED TO.

Either Jocus is deliberately trying to seem TSTBS by literally not reading anyone else at all, or they are scum. Even if Jocus deathtunneled you, the fact remains that THEY HAVEN'T PRODUCED SHIT. THEY HAVE DONE THE EQUIVALENT OF SAYING "X IS SCUM BECAUSE I SAID SO, AND I'M NOT READING ANYONE ELSE BECAUSE X IS SCUM"

[Jake The Wolfie]

I wasn't accusing you.

I believe this was directed at you Jake

Jocus is literally voting me. And even if they aren't accusing me, that means they have 0 reads. 0. None what-so-ever. So either Jocus is accusing me or is accusing no one.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I would even go so far as to say in all my time playing mafia I have never seen this particular style of giving up from scum but I've seen it from many many town

Anecdotal evidence is the worst kind of evidence.

[Jake The Wolfie]

What happens if ETL is just really good and you're scum reading them because of it?
Also, please make your posts more consice. You don't have to make each and every post you make a novel It's really hard and unfriendly when you use unnecessary words to make your posts longer.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Like that would be a rebuttal if my case on her was that she had TMI reads or something. I don't think I've presented a single TMI read case on her. MoonLight kinda but it's more about how she presents it than the argument that she doesn't have the information for it. I would turn that back on you and ask what if you're scumreading Jocus because he's bad?

Then I would say that they haven't offered any reads and at most has been tunneling me. I still don't get why you don't see how even when a town is pressed for reads for other people when death tunneling, they should at the very least consider doing it. Focus has done nothing of the sort. They aren't just bad, they're lazy. They're lazy because they are scum, because they're waiting for the town to self-destruct.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Not even gonna read that case because it’s wrong and it’s wrong for the simple fact that I’m town.

I’m gonna do something you should never do in a game. But I’m doing it because I feel like focusing on me is a giant fucking waste of time. No way townRC is so completely unable to recognize the difference between my town game and my scum game. Especially after all that fucking bluster about his own proficiency. GTFOH.

I am the Town Cop

That means we’re either in column A or column C. I hope to fuck we’re in column A so I can get a check done tonight. I agree to inspect whoever majority chooses. My top choices to check would be RC or Dunnstral.

The only thing that could save you is if you were announced IC, I guess

[Jake The Wolfie]

@Jake, I'm starting to notice you are pretty focused on Jocus, who do you think his partner is? I haven't really seen anything other than making a case for Jocus, which is the reason you're accusing Jocus in the first place.

Probably Radiant. Hell, they're so experienced that

they made the damn setup for this game.

[Jake The Wolfie]

VC count?

If we're not going to get a Jocus Lynch, we might as well get a lynch on someone. More info here is better than no info.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Also, if the mafia have a good idea who the doctor is, they might just RB them and kill the cop.

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: Dunnstral

Alright if Dunn's gonna do this people's liberation army thing where he's more interested in telling people not to sheep me than actually scumhunting in any meaningful way then sure let's do this

Why are you assuming that there's an RB

Assuming there is an RB, they could make it appear as if there is none.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Part of the concern comes from: why did you suddenly start talking about that?

Think for half a second: Why would I "scumslip" a scum strategy into the main thread? If I was scum, wouldn't I instead post it into the scumchat, so that if the cop dies then it would appear as if there is no doctor, making a doctor claim suspicious?

[Jake The Wolfie]

In dying breath

You motherf%^$(#@ are baaaaaaaaaaddddddd

[Jake The Wolfie]

Hey yeah uhh WTF Radiant