Mini 2106 - Magia Record Fate Weave Semi-U-Pick (OVER!)

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm a bit sad that RC, the lovable dictator seal has been replaced out.

He just decided to be a prickly anime waifu instead

In other news my role sucks and is random and I am not gonna use it freaking ever. I get to block one non-killing actions on a player total, and it cannot be influenced by me to be vaguely useful. I honestly wish I would have rolled scum with this but I didn’t so I’m claiming it immediately

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't understand how it's pro-town to pick Blast Disc on Day 1. Either you two didn't read or you're throwing.

Or I did read and have my own strategy you pecan

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi I’ll read later

[Gamma Emerald]

By the way, TL and alchemist are 3rd and 6th in the activity count respectively, so i wouldn't say i am townreading the loudest players. Where did you get that impression?

Oh, about Gamma vs Venus, that's because gamma picked a blast (i think it's a towny move). 130 also sounds like town to me. Venus never posted once and picked a Charge, so i have literally no content to analyze about her hydra

Why do you have me at null then, sounds like you only have reason to townread me
FYI I’m reading from my last post, then I’ll read the rest

[Gamma Emerald]

Hmmmmmmm.

VOTE: Bitmap

Gut feeling something's off here. Circumstantial things so far, but enough that it's worth prodding them.

Gut feeling you should not prod my slot or else we'll have a Magical Girls re-run and yes, this is a crumb.

Explain what you mean by MG rerun, kinda tuned that game out after I died

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Severa

Had to lol

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah, and I picked shield over sword.

what now

Picking Shield means you’re defensive. Being defensive is a scumtell.

VOTE: TemporalLich

Reeeeach

[Gamma Emerald]

Cause 13 smells like tryhard

Being try hard is prolly nai. Don’t like the last part of 13 though

[Gamma Emerald]

TL is actually outed scum.
Farkran is town.

Feel free to lynch him whenever.

They’re both scummy, idk if one is worth lynching yet tho

[Gamma Emerald]

Bitmap unvoting is prolly a town move tho

[Gamma Emerald]

Bitmap has a lot of scum equity

Very interested in your reasoning about this

RVS voting GE for having 4 votes (idk)

The big reason is this:

Jumping off the Farkwagon solely because I hopped on it, which is sorta attacking me to defend Farkran and also a inverse OMGUS, and then admitting that I am only a nullread

Why is RVSing me scummy

Alchemist is >rand scum

Not sure if scummier than suji though

Why is Alch scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok there's two ways we can play this

Do y'all want the way that wins more reliably or the one that involves less of me shoving my reads down your throats.

What
I think you need to restate this question

[Gamma Emerald]

I have a memoriae that doesn't help scum at all, ftr

My main ability is of like no use to town so idk what this proves

[Gamma Emerald]

my townreads are Farkran quality

Excuse me what the fuck

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm a bit sad that RC, the lovable dictator seal has been replaced out.

He just decided to be a prickly anime waifu instead

In other news my role sucks and is random and I am not gonna use it freaking ever. I get to block one non-killing actions on a player total, and it cannot be influenced by me to be vaguely useful. I honestly wish I would have rolled scum with this but I didn’t so I’m claiming it immediately

I believe this

Anyone else feel like this is >rand scum

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean it's one of the reasons for chosing the blast disc, it makes sense

It is also an excuse that could be made after being called out for choosing a blast disc. Just making the statement does not enhance the veracity of it.

I should also point out that it could have been a pre-planned excuse rather than an excuse made up for being called out, as that seems the more likely option.

This mindset is also shitty
Why so quick to call it an excuse?

[Gamma Emerald]

So, I will run a little game related to me being a double neighborizer...

If you would pick two players to be in a neighborhood together, which two would you pick?

Probably Salamence and Severa
They seem like the most active town voices rn

[Gamma Emerald]

anyway Bitmap is not being neighborized for the horribly scummy softclaim

Like yours is better

[Gamma Emerald]

Its bad idea to trust severs.

It's a really good idea.

This rings scummy to me

[Gamma Emerald]

Like I recall RC waxing on about their scumplay being to just control the game and this fits pretty well

[Gamma Emerald]

Interesting claim but I’m eyeing that Dayvig portion

[Gamma Emerald]

Like I recall RC waxing on about their scumplay being to just control the game and this fits pretty well

This is NAI and the last time you picked a really stupid fight was when I was hydraed with Postie and you remember how that turned out.

[Gamma Emerald]

Your reads suck shh

And you are blatantly refusing to explain yours zzz

[Gamma Emerald]

No really, like you fucking vigged me like a moron in our last game because I led a

single

mislynch on a slot that reacted terribly to my push.
Your read on me isn't just bad it's significantly worse than rand. You scumreading me is a great argument that I'm town. Shove off.

Which

last game? Don’t think I did that in Perfect Masquerade

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok you mean last TK game
I think I scumread you for more than just pushing a ML that game
Plus I don’t think you understand, bullying me when I FoS you is NEVER a way to get me to trust you.

[Gamma Emerald]

And like saying “last game” is super fucking dishonest when we’ve played several games since then

[Gamma Emerald]

Don't FoS me for stupid reasons then.

Well what

isn’t

a stupid reason to FoS you. I am pretty sure across the board you first response to me pushing you is to call me bad, stupid, anything to discredit me
How is that NOT scummy?

[Gamma Emerald]

If you're calling me scum for reads that aren't based on play, and when you call me scum for reasons that you know aren't scum indicative I know it's not based on play,
all I know is that you're not playing the game in good faith. I assume when people are pushing things they don't believe they're scum. I'm not going to make an exception for you.

I think “Severa is trying to dominate the game” is a pretty play based reason
And you have some nerve to act like you know what people believe. In fact I think the majority of your bad play revolves around that. You’re not fucking psychic so don’t act like it.

I am Severa. Your last game you were in with Severa...

I don’t think about in those terms unless there is a reason to divide games on one account from another

[Gamma Emerald]

I think “Severa is trying to dominate the game” is a pretty play based reason

Did I or did I not attempt to dominate the game in literally every game when I've been town? Given that that is obviously true, how can it be a scumtell?

Pretty sure you’ve self described that as your scum play. So unless you want to tell me your personal appraisal of your scum play has been a lie, you’re going to need to tell me what I’m missing.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like you called me scum last game for trying to dominate the game. So it's clearly not a good reason to call me scum. Why are you still using a reason as town that over a sample size of over 100 games I do as town 90%+ of the time? That's not honest sorting

Last game here now using your parlance of Masquerade.

No THAT GAME I scumread you because I felt like you were preserving scum slots.

[Gamma Emerald]

So like, no, your actual reason for scumreading me is not "because I'm trying to dominate the game." I'm not stupid and the other players in the game aren't stupid. The fact that in a year where I'm running around with a 70% town winrate as people complain about site town winrates falling and you still managed to be the first dude in site history to errantly vig me as town, then later commented that it was the "correct and pro-town play", says that your problem isn't with anything I'm doing in this game. It's with me. And that's not fair to me.

Well I do have a problem with you. You talk about me empirically scumreading you when your town but what about the fact you let scumreads on you screw up your ability to play well and then say the blame is on others? People are allowed to suspect you, and you can’t change that unless your play can radically change. So instead of expecting others to curve around your temperament you should work to fix your habit. “You are the only person you can control” and all that jazz.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok, my hood and I have discussed this and I'm going to open this to the floor
My actual abilities are day desperado -> day vig and using combined abilities we can get me up to 100 MP today
I am going to therefore be using the desperado today but I would prefer to use it on someone who, if it fails, is going to actually be useful to town.

So, ignoring my reads momentarily and focusing on the people that I think have some utility as town leader

Evenstar
Farkran
Venus & Mars (Primarily aimed at ND39, but if she continues lurking we're going to lynch rather than desp this slot)
Kerset
Salamence20

How effectively do you think you perform as IC, what are your reads right now, do you have any shot recommendations

... So Severa posts this at 3:45, gets into an argument with Gamma that lasts until 4:19, and then when I post suspecting her based on her differences in tone between this and Magical Girl Mafia she disappears. It's currently 4:55 and there's no sign of her.

When reading high-level players I tend to assume that everything is deliberate. From that perspective, this looks very, very bad. I've never seen Severa

flinch from a suspicion

before. I thought she might be going to fetch her towngames for me, but now it's been like half an hour; Ego Search ought to make it fast for her to just toss me one or two, and she was very definitely still in the thread when I posted my initial read of her.

I feel quite comfortable with this vote right now.

VOTE: Severa

Or Severa was engaging with me and not you and after making her point, left. I still don’t like Severa but this also looks bad.

[Gamma Emerald]

Town me doesn't actually care either, just so you know.

Does town you care about my wasting my time casing you when I could be doing better and more productive things?

This question is wonky, it reads like trying to pre-empt what Severa might say.

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I feel like it, I’m going to walk through my stance on Severa. Until I get a satisfactory explanation of why my impressions of her self-meta are wrong, I really don’t see myself dropping the read, but outside of that I feel like I have no reason to suspect Severa.

[Gamma Emerald]

Vote Salamence or vote me and get me out of this game all you scrubby scrub scrub WOATs!!!!!

Holy shit why do you think this ever convinces anyone

[Gamma Emerald]

I have a one use day parity cop ability that I used like after a little posting and Salamence20 / TemporalLich are of opposite alignments

So we have this and I noticed the desparado > day vig claim too
Is there anything I’m missing or is this it? Either way I’ve never known RC to be one to gambit with claims on this level so it’s strange, but I wouldn’t call it scum rn, could just be his role influencing him, I had a game where I considered doing a fake guilty gambit but only because I had a delayed vigilante role and figured if I wanted to recant it I could and it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world because a doctor could stop the kill. So I understand roles can determine tactics.

[Gamma Emerald]

This is a cute gambit.

I highly doubt severa is an investigative role, because I am a rolecop

Why do you doubt town would have multiple investigative roles? This response ain’t great ngl

[Gamma Emerald]

Hot take: Severa and Salamance could be town together?

Unless you believe severa, that means TL is scum right?

You mean don’t believe Severa right???

[Gamma Emerald]

Also thinking about it I guess I do recall around the time I joined RC was infamous for faking guilties as town
But the fact he is changing his claim like Flavor Leaf is new to me
This is a follow up to 468 FYI

[Gamma Emerald]

Y'all seriously going to take sheepy mc sheep Alchemist and not push him?

Explain how it’s scummy and maybe they will.

Of course then they’d be sheeping you and you’d have to vote them too.

Yuck
I’d kinda been liking Alchemist up to here but this is twisted

[Gamma Emerald]

I think only the magia part of salamence claim is bs

The rest is true

Why would I lie about 1 part

Tbh this question is fair, also this the second time Farkran has had a response like this to a claim
Like it feels like Farkran is posting scum PT thoughts in the main thread by trying to rate the claims’ legitamacy

[Gamma Emerald]

Farkran is just... not posting great things.

Does this mean you’re not townreading him now or?

[Gamma Emerald]

Im Back.

R I mean Severa really can press my buttons, and for that Im sorry.

I flinched when Severa was yelling her way to get a wagon and I saw people voting me. I felt the need to defend myself because I was worried I was going to get mislynched over some stupid gambit so Severa could get what she wants because she has done it before.

I was at L-8 at the time which equates to about L-3 in normal terms. I told her why this was dumb, I told her the claim was bullshit, and I warned her Im outting if she didnt retract. She didnt, so fuck it, I outted. Im wasnt taking any chances.

Severa has now indirectly and directly gotten 2 people to out prs now. Idk how I feel about it.

——————-

A lot of you are trying to put players like RC in a very standard mold when he's done this shit over and over as town.

Look, Ive been gone for awhile.

Right before I left, she was a newcomer. People fucking hated her because she was playing really anti-town. I assume shes better now, I dont know the history and I dont care. Shes obviously a strongarm player who plays super aggressively. For that reason I claimed cause I know if I didnt she wasnt going to shut the fuck up about it for another 10 fucking pages. You know this.

———————

People not named RC need to tell me why TL is town, because its not good. Ill case him tomorrow.

Looks like everyone besides Shiro Drew is here and caught up. Pops 297 outside of the vote warrants a read. I think its good. Evenstar too, but I like when people call me an idiot because I like the pain and abuse.

Tbh this makes a fair amount of sense but the way you responded to the claim by Severa was like textbook scumplay. You did as much as you could to call the claim BS but also tried to turn it on TL at the same time.

[Gamma Emerald]

Although you're playing a game with my gimmick alt specifically designed for playing up the anti-townness and tunneliness.

Whyyyyy would you create an account to play in a way that accentuates the worst parts of your play uggggh

[Gamma Emerald]

You know what that’s reason enough to throw out my suspicions of Severa

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok, my hood and I have discussed this and I'm going to open this to the floor
My actual abilities are day desperado -> day vig and using combined abilities we can get me up to 100 MP today
I am going to therefore be using the desperado today but I would prefer to use it on someone who, if it fails, is going to actually be useful to town.

So, ignoring my reads momentarily and focusing on the people that I think have some utility as town leader

Evenstar
Farkran
Venus & Mars (Primarily aimed at ND39, but if she continues lurking we're going to lynch rather than desp this slot)
Kerset
Salamence20

How effectively do you think you perform as IC, what are your reads right now, do you have any shot recommendations

... So Severa posts this at 3:45, gets into an argument with Gamma that lasts until 4:19, and then when I post suspecting her based on her differences in tone between this and Magical Girl Mafia she disappears. It's currently 4:55 and there's no sign of her.

When reading high-level players I tend to assume that everything is deliberate. From that perspective, this looks very, very bad. I've never seen Severa

flinch from a suspicion

before. I thought she might be going to fetch her towngames for me, but now it's been like half an hour; Ego Search ought to make it fast for her to just toss me one or two, and she was very definitely still in the thread when I posted my initial read of her.

I feel quite comfortable with this vote right now.

VOTE: Severa

Or Severa was engaging with me and not you and after making her point, left. I still don’t like Severa but this also looks bad.

Why?

I think your reason to vote Severa is a massive reach and she has a point when she says your vote doesn’t matter to her, your argument is weaksauce. So Severa disappeared when you made that point, I already stated it’s probably because she was engaging with me not you, but in addition what do you think your meta proves here? Even if it’s right which I think other people have stated is not the case there’s plenty of reason the play could be different.

[Gamma Emerald]

You know what that’s reason enough to throw out my suspicions of Severa

I don't buy this is a real thought.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

I have stated my reasons for suspecting Severa are tied to RC’s self expressed meta. Severa explaining that the alt is there to play a different way changes how I think about things involving her. Following that statement I realized my scumread really made no sense because why should I expect RC’s meta to apply to an alt explicitly stated to have a different method of play?

[Gamma Emerald]

I still think TL flipped pretty easily on that.

Hes still a good vote, fuck the cop claim, its not real

Hot take: Severa and Salamance could be town together?

Unless you believe severa, that means TL is scum right?

@Salamence the first post is what mainly gives that impression, the way you push TL while also mentioning the claim. Also the second post is weird, because it looks like you made a typo but if you didn’t what are you getting at there?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok Gamma I see what youre saying about me going after TL post-claim.

However, Ive been after him before Severa claimed so I dont think its as scummy as you are suggesting.

Idk if you saw what I saw but posting this at all is +town points, very rarely as scum do I respond like this and so I think generally it’s a towny response

[Gamma Emerald]

Tempura lynch

you're making it very hard to not want to give you some code of hammurabi on that, considering you've been way scummier than Farkran.
But I think it'd be really bad for this game to cut off discussion. And I wanna hear from Shiro. Which reminds me.

I’m stealing the bolded sorry

[Gamma Emerald]

I was telling Bitmap if what she says in 230 is true and that she believes severa (because who the fuck who do this as town right? RIGHT?) that means TL is scum.

Okay
I’m guessing you meant to write “if” rather than “unless” because what you wrote looked like you were saying if Bitmap believed Severa TL would have been town by some logic

[Gamma Emerald]

TL: I really can't fault the initial vote on Farkran in 73 because he beat me to it. The Chainsaw argument seems a tad reactive and a little too early to start attacking people who are against his scumread. The good points are that he was reading Farkran for about the same reasons I did. However his soft out of being a x2 neighborizer was again too reactive. Reactiveness is the theme here as he quickly buys into Severa guiltying me without a doubt. I do think he is overreacting.

Alchemist: Mr. Mustang's votes just seem like "going with the flow," he was able to back off Farkran when he found out she isn't new to being scum. Just seems like he's just here.

Farkran: Ah yes I remember my young days, she looks green (as in new, not town). Shes playing like noob town but this is the kind of stuff that lets scum get to endgame because we all brush it aside. Trust me, I know. Its something we should look for down the line.

Chemist: Honorable Mention. I dont get this guy. Chemistry was one of my favorite classes in High School.

Pops: I really really need her to come in and explain her reads. As I've been saying, the vote on Bitmap when she says TL is scum is just... odd? RVS is over, even if she is late.

Sailor Moons: Shiro is always scum.

I like this lead rist, thoughts are nuanced and it’s also got some levity

I’ll also do one of my own soon

[Gamma Emerald]

You know what that’s reason enough to throw out my suspicions of Severa

I don't buy this is a real thought.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

I have stated my reasons for suspecting Severa are tied to RC’s self expressed meta. Severa explaining that the alt is there to play a different way changes how I think about things involving her. Following that statement I realized my scumread really made no sense because why should I expect RC’s meta to apply to an alt explicitly stated to have a different method of play?

... because it's still the same person playing it? The underlying personality is still the same, just exaggerated and distorted.

Yes, and for that reason I can’t use the same approach. Plus aside from that one gripe, Severa’s balance was solidly in the town area.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hmmmmmmm.

VOTE: Bitmap

Gut feeling something's off here. Circumstantial things so far, but enough that it's worth prodding them.

Gut feeling you should not prod my slot or else we'll have a Magical Girls re-run and yes, this is a crumb.

Explain what you mean by MG rerun, kinda tuned that game out after I died

no

Btw not gonna poke this further rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Hmmmmmmm.

VOTE: Bitmap

Gut feeling something's off here. Circumstantial things so far, but enough that it's worth prodding them.

Gut feeling you should not prod my slot or else we'll have a Magical Girls re-run and yes, this is a crumb.

ehhh ok.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Why me out of all people? Honestly this wouldn’t bug me except you vote me

again

later but with more explanation that time.

A) It’s still an odd comment for an RVS vote.

B) I thought Gamma had been here the whole time and didn’t realize they were catching up.

oh alright...

just means Gamma is NAI-weird and off-meta, not scummy

Why do you say off-meta? We’ve played some but why do you feel like it’s that way? Tbh it feels like you’re trying to disagree without actually going after his reasons.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hmmmmmmm.

VOTE: Bitmap

Gut feeling something's off here. Circumstantial things so far, but enough that it's worth prodding them.

Gut feeling you should not prod my slot or else we'll have a Magical Girls re-run and yes, this is a crumb.

Explain what you mean by MG rerun, kinda tuned that game out after I died

no

Btw not gonna poke this further rn

... he says, thus poking it.

Same logic as “not making a choice is itself a choice”, yes it technically is “poking it” but not to the same scale as if I had actually pressed for more info.

[Gamma Emerald]

By the way, TL and alchemist are 3rd and 6th in the activity count respectively, so i wouldn't say i am townreading the loudest players. Where did you get that impression?

Oh, about Gamma vs Venus, that's because gamma picked a blast (i think it's a towny move). 130 also sounds like town to me. Venus never posted once and picked a Charge, so i have literally no content to analyze about her hydra

Why do you have me at null then, sounds like you only have reason to townread me
FYI I’m reading from my last post, then I’ll read the rest

My read of you is one of the weakest, for obvious reasons. I... just hate having holes in my readlists, those are reserved for players i have literally zero content on. You will be sorted more accurately later, but i liked this post of yours.

So you’re saying your read on me is null-town, and so you threw me in the null pile. Makes sense, though there’s plenty I still distrust about your play

[Gamma Emerald]

@TL can you scumcase me properly? You have a pretty strong read on me for stating i would flip town only "by miracle".

You've already proved you're faking being towny, your newer posts consisting of you actually being towny fail to sway me.

This mindset looks kinda shitty. Farkran didn’t “prove” anything and tuning out the newer posts because of an opinion formed on the old ones is something I almost never support.

[Gamma Emerald]

A) It’s still an odd comment for an RVS vote.

B) I thought Gamma had been here the whole time and didn’t realize they were catching up.

oh alright...

just means Gamma is NAI-weird and off-meta, not scummy

The thing is Gamma hasn’t really commented on me since that game I fooled them as scum; before that they claimed to be an expert at reading me. That’s been a while ago, so for them to make such an odd comment towards me now, it seems like they feel they HAVE to comment on me for some reason.

And yet I don’t say anything until I react to that later post. Why do you think scum!me feels I have to acknowledge our history? It’s less important to me than my history with, say, MariaR or A50. Yes I did have a solid read record on you but unlike those two I don’t think we play together enough rn for me to care.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Evenstar eh I think I had another different avatar between those two but I picked this because in another game I was getting tired of how the town was not playing to win and I felt a certain “make a move” energy course through me which reminded me of the person that is in my current avi
And like yeah we both were saying Severa was off meta, but we were referencing different meta. I was referring to statements that I believe were made in Project ARCH, whilst you referred to MG, and your meta was involving claim behaviors I believe, while mine was about self meta. And like the statement I never really scumread Severa isn’t that wrong, as stated previously I only found that one thing suspect, but it was so flagrant it needed to be pushed.
And I shared that because it was on my mind and I wanted to speak up rather than keep it bottled up. I think in general I’m bad about keeping a lid on things.

@Suji I hadn’t read much of anything before now, and I want to post a lead rist before voting rn.

[Gamma Emerald]

You know what that’s reason enough to throw out my suspicions of Severa

I don't buy this is a real thought.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Honest question: do scum really put as much effort to catch up as Gamma is?

Maybe not but scums are picky for sure. He was very focused on nuisances, like 470 467 474 are good examples. They might give wrong impression, if placed out of context.

Interesting take. It seems like you are town reading me despite those posts, why?

[Gamma Emerald]

I was just going to troll so that I could live longer but I'd rather deal with this today, and I think that mathematically a desperado is no worse than a vig.
Arguably better given that me shooting town doesn't actually clear me outside of in a "it removes me from the game" sense but yeah.

Multitabling. Also not a ton of content to work from yet. Also I'm paranoid about being in another game with RC after he ML'd me D1 last time.

You're in luck! Also, stop fucking calling me RC my name is SEVERA.

You know thinking about this further this kinda clicks when I think about my play in Grand Idea UPick. It very much parallels how I decided to desperado DEB instead of sui bomb him that game I feel

[Gamma Emerald]

Though I will say that’s probably the most pro-town way to use the role which baffles me with the fact Severa is explicitly stated to be an account that plays anti-town

[Gamma Emerald]

@Suji I hadn’t read much of anything before now, and I want to post a lead rist before voting rn.

You seem to have read and engaged now. Could you post your reads list?

I’ll expand later but for now my strong reads are like
Severa and Salamence town
Farkran and you scum

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Why would you engage me like you are if you are scumreading me, especially with no real reasons expressed?

Also I would like it if you would tell me why you defaulted to calling post 129 an excuse.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Why would you engage me like you are if you are scumreading me, especially with no real reasons expressed?

Also I would like it if you would tell me why you defaulted to calling post 129 an excuse.

I previously explained my reservation as to your slot in post 511. You then proceed to state a strong scum read on two players, as well as a strong town read on two players, and yet you still do not vote despite your only previous reservation that you hadn't read much and wanted to post a reads list. All whilst being one of the top posters in the game.

This is why I voted for you.

In terms of my response to your post [align=]129[/align], I was posting alternative rationales for your post to show that Farkran's assumption was not the only correct one. I believe I already stated that in post 144.

I think it was kinda clear that wasn’t my actual read list, just me vomiting up reads to placate you.

And the posts before what I responded to in 129 were not as accusatory as what I responded to in 130, thus not really needing an excuse. All he did was say “fuck your 4 votes”, which looked like a comment on how I had more votes than most people, at least to me, and I would think to anyone else. So unless you want to argue I read ahead during the opening stages of the game and felt like I needed an excuse for picking a Blast disc, you seem rather off base. Plus you twice asserted it was an excuse, and didn’t really suggest much else. That doesn’t sound like suggesting alternatives, that sounds like creating a narrative.

Full read list is in progress rn, got it like 1/3 done

[Gamma Emerald]

@Suji I hadn’t read much of anything before now, and I want to post a lead rist before voting rn.

You seem to have read and engaged now. Could you post your reads list?

I’ll expand later but for now my strong reads are like
Severa and Salamence town
Farkran and you scum

@anyone with experience with gamma: is it compatible with his meta to produce strong scum
reads after putting so much effort in catching up and trying to steal town leadership from a player she is TRing?

Forgot about this
Why do you say I’m “stealing town leadership”? And why do you think me putting out strong reads after solis effort is a weird thing needing meta to explain?
In fact I think you and Evenstar have both done this thing of badgering about meta on me.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Suji I hadn’t read much of anything before now, and I want to post a lead rist before voting rn.

You seem to have read and engaged now. Could you post your reads list?

I’ll expand later but for now my strong reads are like
Severa and Salamence town
Farkran and you scum

@anyone with experience with gamma: is it compatible with his meta to produce strong scum
reads after putting so much effort in catching up and trying to steal town leadership from a player she is TRing?

Forgot about this
Why do you say I’m “stealing town leadership”? And why do you think me putting out strong reads after solis effort is a weird thing needing meta to explain?
In fact I think you and Evenstar have both done this thing of badgering about meta on me.

You insisted a lot on not wanting Severa as town leader because you think he's bad, am i correct? The whole antitown alt argument was about that, if i read it properly.

However, you're TRing Severa, so the bad thing about him is probably his skill at reading people, which could lead town loss. Or is there anything else?

If i am wrong, please tell me and i'll ISO you tomorrow (2 am and from mobile right now)

You seem to have my actions rather straight but how do you get that I was stealing town leadership from that? I wasn’t trying to put myself in Severa’s spot at all. Plus I don’t think the idea of being town leader ever explicitly came up, that’s you idea.

Almost done with the lead rist btw

[Gamma Emerald]

Reads divided by level (town, lean town, null, lean scum, scum), order within group is pretty much representative of strength.

Severa: following my epiphany I’ve had this as pretty much obvtown. Play is solid, don’t question much if anything from them now, and the claim at this point feels towny.
Salamence20: I did dislike the reaction to the gambit but it was adequately explained and I liked the self awareness. Plus his solving definitely seems genuine.

Kerset: I almost ISOed him at one point because I remembered so little about his posts but then I saw a patch that impressed me with the sorting I saw.
Bitmap: I like his solving attempts, especially his pushing of the disc selection, though he hasn’t been as solid as my top townreads.

popsofctown: I kinda like what I’ve seen so far, but there’s room to improve. The towniest of my null reads.
Venus and Mars: I definitely want more from this hydra, I believe both of them are quite capable of obvtowning. That’s the only reason this is above Chemist btw.
Chemist1422: Remember nothing from him, straight up.

Alchemist21: so far I feel like a lot of his gameplay has been trying too hard to find things to push. Not solidly scummy but not good either.
Evenstar: eh this read feels much weaker than before but her behavior has been pretty weird. Asking Severa whether she was upset as town for Evenstar wasting her time feels like scum trying to defang a town player’s points before they are made. Also I combed Evenstar’s posts because of how much what I felt there didn’t match what I remembered and I would like to point out that the thing she suggested of “Severa bring the worst gimmick alt ever” has kinda been determined to be true?
TempuraLynch: interactions with Severa and Farkran don’t look good. Also seems a bit touchy idk

Sujimichi: His assertion that my 129 was an excuse didn’t seem genuine. It felt like he was trying to ascribe a motive to my post that wasn’t there at all. Also interactions with Farkran look shady but I’ll get into that below
Farkran: I don’t like him trying to appraise the claims of Salamence and me like he did. I think scum have plenty of reason to try to figure out the validity of a claim to determine whether it is worth an NK or not. I also think his interactions with Suji are level 1 scum distancing. They have disagreed twice from my recollection in pretty flashy ways, like how they had opposite takes on my early claim. It looks very staged and is why these two are at the bottom of my reads.

VOTE: Farkran

[Gamma Emerald]

Now to fully comb through what got posted since I started work on that

[Gamma Emerald]

I think it was kinda clear that wasn’t my actual read list, just me vomiting up reads to placate you.

It wasn't clear. You suggested they were strong reads as you stated they were "strong."

Plus you twice asserted it was an excuse, and didn’t really suggest much else. That doesn’t sound like suggesting alternatives, that sounds like creating a narrative.

I explicitly said that they were alternative assumptions. I can't control how you interpret that statement.

Full read list is in progress rn, got it like 1/3 done

Ok. I look forward to it.

The big problem is that you call them alternative assumptions, plural, but you only really stick to one idea, that my post is an excuse. The only real alternative I see there is “was the excuse made before or after being called out?” which still assumes it was an excuse. I see no reason for you as town to show such a presumption of guilt.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hmmmm.

TOWN

Kerset
Farkran
Salamence
Gamma
Alchemist
Chemist
- DEAD NULL -
Severa
Venus & Mars
Pops
Sujimichi
Bitmap
TL

SCUM

p. meh readslist but w/e it's d1

Is this sincere? I mean, i think you're more towny than not given that you're fitting perfectly into my knowledge of your town meta, but... aren't you reaction testing too much now? Do you have any true scumread that you'd like to lynch today?

this is literally where I'm at, Fark. Would lynch TL if I had to, but tbqh need more information. Too much is too superficial.

How the hell do you “need more information” on your top scumread? That plus voting someone above the null line is super suspect.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Alchemist21

More content please.

If you want more from me then talking to me is the way to do it, not voting someone you just put in your Townreads.

If I had a specific question in mind, I would have asked it. Penny for your thoughts, I suppose?

I don’t have much more to say right now. I’m trying to understand Gamma and that conversation will take some time.

I’m right here buddy.

[Gamma Emerald]

I see no reason for you as town to show such a presumption of guilt.

My point had nothing to do with your slot. It had to do with Farkran, and how he determined his read on your slot.

My problem is the fact you feel like you’re trying to say you were doing something that isn’t really what you were doing imo. It doesn’t matter what you really thought of me, and even then it felt like you were trying to make me look bad in the process by calling my post an excuse.

Also I feel like you have kinda been rather agreeable to a peculiar extent so far, you seem to consistently be echoing other’s statements.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Alchemist21

More content please.

If you want more from me then talking to me is the way to do it, not voting someone you just put in your Townreads.

If I had a specific question in mind, I would have asked it. Penny for your thoughts, I suppose?

I don’t have much more to say right now. I’m trying to understand Gamma and that conversation will take some time.

I’m right here buddy.

I’m still waiting for you to answer this.

A) It’s still an odd comment for an RVS vote.

B) I thought Gamma had been here the whole time and didn’t realize they were catching up.

oh alright...

just means Gamma is NAI-weird and off-meta, not scummy

The thing is Gamma hasn’t really commented on me since that game I fooled them as scum; before that they claimed to be an expert at reading me. That’s been a while ago, so for them to make such an odd comment towards me now, it seems like they feel they HAVE to comment on me for some reason.

And yet I don’t say anything until I react to that later post. Why do you think scum!me feels I have to acknowledge our history? It’s less important to me than my history with, say, MariaR or A50. Yes I did have a solid read record on you but unlike those two I don’t think we play together enough rn for me to care.

Maybe you thought it would be awkward if you didn’t acknowledge our history.

If that’s not what it was then what was that comment on my rvs vote about?

The comment on the RVS vote was me disagreeing with your point on multiple level. I don’t think game choice is connected to play style, and defensiveness is not always scummy.
Is that all, it feels like you have more you want to talk about.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Alchemist21

More content please.

If you want more from me then talking to me is the way to do it, not voting someone you just put in your Townreads.

If I had a specific question in mind, I would have asked it. Penny for your thoughts, I suppose?

I don’t have much more to say right now. I’m trying to understand Gamma and that conversation will take some time.

I’m right here buddy.

I’m still waiting for you to answer this.

A) It’s still an odd comment for an RVS vote.

B) I thought Gamma had been here the whole time and didn’t realize they were catching up.

oh alright...

just means Gamma is NAI-weird and off-meta, not scummy

The thing is Gamma hasn’t really commented on me since that game I fooled them as scum; before that they claimed to be an expert at reading me. That’s been a while ago, so for them to make such an odd comment towards me now, it seems like they feel they HAVE to comment on me for some reason.

And yet I don’t say anything until I react to that later post. Why do you think scum!me feels I have to acknowledge our history? It’s less important to me than my history with, say, MariaR or A50. Yes I did have a solid read record on you but unlike those two I don’t think we play together enough rn for me to care.

Maybe you thought it would be awkward if you didn’t acknowledge our history.

If that’s not what it was then what was that comment on my rvs vote about?

While we’re at it you can explain what scum motivation you thought was in 254

254 came across as a double discredit to me. You discredit his belief that sheeping is scummy by telling him to explain and then strawmanning his argument by saying the votes that would follow would also be sheep and need to be voted by that logic, which is not true imo. You also discredit any wagon led by him on you by creating the implication that the wagon would be dishonest via an assumed hypocrisy.

[Gamma Emerald]

How the hell do you “need more information” on your top scumread? That plus voting someone above the null line is super suspect.

null line is exactly halfway through the players

draw your own conclusions

Are you saying your list was bs

[Gamma Emerald]

I can't argue with your opinion.

And, yes, I have stated where I agree with others. This is true. Consistently is not an adverb that is accurate, however.

I think it’s fair to say you have been agreeing with others a lot. Yes, you’ve raised points yourself but it seems like you’re more than happy to sit behind someone and cheerlead them. I think the Boonism for that action is warlocking? It comes across as scummy because you’re trying to promote the idea without taking as much responsibility. I know scum do this because I did it myself subconsciously once when I was starting out.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Alchemist21

More content please.

If you want more from me then talking to me is the way to do it, not voting someone you just put in your Townreads.

If I had a specific question in mind, I would have asked it. Penny for your thoughts, I suppose?

I don’t have much more to say right now. I’m trying to understand Gamma and that conversation will take some time.

I’m right here buddy.

I’m still waiting for you to answer this.

A) It’s still an odd comment for an RVS vote.

B) I thought Gamma had been here the whole time and didn’t realize they were catching up.

oh alright...

just means Gamma is NAI-weird and off-meta, not scummy

The thing is Gamma hasn’t really commented on me since that game I fooled them as scum; before that they claimed to be an expert at reading me. That’s been a while ago, so for them to make such an odd comment towards me now, it seems like they feel they HAVE to comment on me for some reason.

And yet I don’t say anything until I react to that later post. Why do you think scum!me feels I have to acknowledge our history? It’s less important to me than my history with, say, MariaR or A50. Yes I did have a solid read record on you but unlike those two I don’t think we play together enough rn for me to care.

Maybe you thought it would be awkward if you didn’t acknowledge our history.

If that’s not what it was then what was that comment on my rvs vote about?

The comment on the RVS vote was me disagreeing with your point on multiple level. I don’t think game choice is connected to play style, and defensiveness is not always scummy.
Is that all, it feels like you have more you want to talk about.

Why did you feel a need to disagree with it? Did you think any part of my post was serious?

It could have been serious but my post wasn’t 100% serious either
Like if I was really going to go after that do you think I just say “reeeeeach”?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Alchemist21

More content please.

If you want more from me then talking to me is the way to do it, not voting someone you just put in your Townreads.

If I had a specific question in mind, I would have asked it. Penny for your thoughts, I suppose?

I don’t have much more to say right now. I’m trying to understand Gamma and that conversation will take some time.

I’m right here buddy.

I’m still waiting for you to answer this.

A) It’s still an odd comment for an RVS vote.

B) I thought Gamma had been here the whole time and didn’t realize they were catching up.

oh alright...

just means Gamma is NAI-weird and off-meta, not scummy

The thing is Gamma hasn’t really commented on me since that game I fooled them as scum; before that they claimed to be an expert at reading me. That’s been a while ago, so for them to make such an odd comment towards me now, it seems like they feel they HAVE to comment on me for some reason.

And yet I don’t say anything until I react to that later post. Why do you think scum!me feels I have to acknowledge our history? It’s less important to me than my history with, say, MariaR or A50. Yes I did have a solid read record on you but unlike those two I don’t think we play together enough rn for me to care.

Maybe you thought it would be awkward if you didn’t acknowledge our history.

If that’s not what it was then what was that comment on my rvs vote about?

While we’re at it you can explain what scum motivation you thought was in 254

254 came across as a double discredit to me. You discredit his belief that sheeping is scummy by telling him to explain and then strawmanning his argument by saying the votes that would follow would also be sheep and need to be voted by that logic, which is not true imo. You also discredit any wagon led by him on you by creating the implication that the wagon would be dishonest via an assumed hypocrisy.

You are correct that it was a discredit, and that’s because we disagree on whether sheeping is scummy. This isn’t the first game I’ve been accused of being scum just because I followed consensus. It’s not an accurate tell, and I’m not even much of a sheep; I just agree with what I agree with, and agreeing with people doesn’t make someone scum.

Eh this kinda makes sense but the fact there’s so much I find wrong in that small post is not a good sign

[Gamma Emerald]

I can't argue with your opinion.

And, yes, I have stated where I agree with others. This is true. Consistently is not an adverb that is accurate, however.

I think it’s fair to say you have been agreeing with others a lot. Yes, you’ve raised points yourself but it seems like you’re more than happy to sit behind someone and cheerlead them. I think the Boonism for that action is warlocking? It comes across as scummy because you’re trying to promote the idea without taking as much responsibility. I know scum do this because I did it myself subconsciously once when I was starting out.

I’ll say it again - agreeing with consensus doesn’t make someone scum.

Yes, but the way he’s doing it is extremely shady. He’s like “ah yes, this makes sense”. I have noted in my history here two ways scum will agree with people that are solid tells imo. The first is where scum will support a townie’s idea by bolstering the Townie’s argument while adding little of their own content to it. This is what I mentioned I was caught for in the past earlier, and it serves scum because it helps keep them blameless. I have noticed Suji doing this in spades. The second method is when scum entrench themselves into one argument, then a Townie makes a better one and they hop on at full speed to the Townie’s idea. I caught scum doing this in a game that I can’t recall the name of but that I know had Aliens in the name, and the reason why it’s scummy is it’s a demonstration that they aren’t interested in honest discussion, they just want the argument that best suits them. I don’t recall Suji doing this but I feel like someone else may have done it this game if not him, so it’s something to keep in mind.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Alchemist21

More content please.

If you want more from me then talking to me is the way to do it, not voting someone you just put in your Townreads.

If I had a specific question in mind, I would have asked it. Penny for your thoughts, I suppose?

I don’t have much more to say right now. I’m trying to understand Gamma and that conversation will take some time.

I’m right here buddy.

I’m still waiting for you to answer this.

A) It’s still an odd comment for an RVS vote.

B) I thought Gamma had been here the whole time and didn’t realize they were catching up.

oh alright...

just means Gamma is NAI-weird and off-meta, not scummy

The thing is Gamma hasn’t really commented on me since that game I fooled them as scum; before that they claimed to be an expert at reading me. That’s been a while ago, so for them to make such an odd comment towards me now, it seems like they feel they HAVE to comment on me for some reason.

And yet I don’t say anything until I react to that later post. Why do you think scum!me feels I have to acknowledge our history? It’s less important to me than my history with, say, MariaR or A50. Yes I did have a solid read record on you but unlike those two I don’t think we play together enough rn for me to care.

Maybe you thought it would be awkward if you didn’t acknowledge our history.

If that’s not what it was then what was that comment on my rvs vote about?

The comment on the RVS vote was me disagreeing with your point on multiple level. I don’t think game choice is connected to play style, and defensiveness is not always scummy.
Is that all, it feels like you have more you want to talk about.

Why did you feel a need to disagree with it? Did you think any part of my post was serious?

It could have been serious but my post wasn’t 100% serious either
Like if I was really going to go after that do you think I just say “reeeeeach”?

I didn’t know how to take your post, and when that’s the only post about me and suddenly you’re saying I was Towny, it’s a little confusing.

This makes sense, I figured me not mentioning you for that span was a part of your read

[Gamma Emerald]

Sorry

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma's list and reasoning make sense, but i do have a question

Why would i try to appraise you and salamence in the day thread? It's not like you're going to answer that. Also, if anything, i have been consistent in 1. (slightly) townlean blast disc pickers; 2. declaring what i believed and what i didn't believe from all slots making a claim.

I can see your point about me and suji distancing, that may validate your vote on me. Could you expand on TL though? You mentioned weird interactions between me and him. Do you see that as distancing too, or is there anything else?

My best guess to why you’d appraise us here (versus the scum PT, which I assume you are implying) is you just threw those up in instant reaction to the posts. If you would like to point out your other reactions to claims that would be nice, that way I could see if the pattern continues

As for TL interactions, yeah those kinda look like distancing too but my thinking about the connection between you and TL is “they may or may not be scum together, I see nothing in favor of either possibility”. While with Suji there’s the stuff I mentioned.

[Gamma Emerald]

Evenstar it confuses me that you can act like this:

How the hell do you “need more information” on your top scumread? That plus voting someone above the null line is super suspect.

null line is exactly halfway through the players

draw your own conclusions

How the hell do you “need more information” on your top scumread? That plus voting someone above the null line is super suspect.

null line is exactly halfway through the players

draw your own conclusions

Are you saying your list was bs

that's certainly a conclusion you can draw

And also grill people for their own read lists like this:

VOTE: Alchemist21

More content please.

If you want more from me then talking to me is the way to do it, not voting someone you just put in your Townreads.

If I had a specific question in mind, I would have asked it. Penny for your thoughts, I suppose?

I don’t have much more to say right now. I’m trying to understand Gamma and that conversation will take some time.

Can I get a readslist, even if it sucks?

?

It looks like a double standard

[Gamma Emerald]

You seem to have my actions rather straight but how do you get that I was stealing town leadership from that? I wasn’t trying to put myself in Severa’s spot at all. Plus I don’t think the idea of being town leader ever explicitly came up, that’s you idea.

Almost done with the lead rist btw

The thought just felt natural when i noticed your postcount skyrocket today, after making a minor prodge yesterday. It looked like you were specifically pinged by Severa's presence and didn't want him to lead the town.

Then you say you also managed to produce strong scumreads (which i don't really agree with), and i found that weird.

I don't know if this is standard for you, so i asked for meta.

This can be postponed to after you post the readlist though

I kinda don’t get what’s odd about producing strong scumreads being paired with making a strong effort to catch up. I think those make sense as a pair, since when you are efforting like that you’re likely to form some strong reads.

Also, to try and cut down on space taken up, I find it interesting that the reads I don’t exactly agree with in Severa’s town list, Alch and Suji, both appeared suspect to me for things involving agreeing with people. Possibly means Severa has a point with how my interactions with Alch have been turning my thoughts on him around a little, but Suji is suspect for other things. I’ll state I probably won’t be inclined to vote Suji today because if that though.

Honestly I haven’t felt this content with my bearings on a game in a long time. I think I might be finding my groove here.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hmmmm.

TOWN

Kerset
Farkran
Salamence
Gamma
Alchemist
Chemist
- DEAD NULL -
Severa
Venus & Mars
Pops
Sujimichi
Bitmap
TL

SCUM

p. meh readslist but w/e it's d1

Is this sincere? I mean, i think you're more towny than not given that you're fitting perfectly into my knowledge of your town meta, but... aren't you reaction testing too much now? Do you have any true scumread that you'd like to lynch today?

this is literally where I'm at, Fark. Would lynch TL if I had to, but tbqh need more information. Too much is too superficial.

Don’t know if I’ll have a reason to go back to this so like
Why the hell is TL on the bottom but you will only lynch him “if you had to”? This honestly strikes me as scummy enough to shift you to a full scumread

[Gamma Emerald]

So far I’m only sure on Townreading Severa and Salamence. Severa’s main is someone I’ve played with a lot and I’m fairly confident this is their Town play. Regardless of whether Salamance’s claim is real or not, I don’t think scum would cave so easily to a fake guilty on them so I townread them for the response.

You’re the first one to reach out to me so you’re a bit Towny too.

Gamma’s the closes thing to a scumread I have right now but it’s not definite.

What do you think is your most non-consensus read atm?

Probably Gamma. I know other people are looking at them, but not for the same reasons I am.

Why does different reasons = non consensus for you? I don’t think there’s anything AI about this but you seem rather particular about this so I want to figure out your logic here.

[Gamma Emerald]

Don’t know if I’ll have a reason to go back to this so like
Why the hell is TL on the bottom but you will only lynch him “if you had to”? This honestly strikes me as scummy enough to shift you to a full scumread

Would lynch TL if I had to [lynch someone this instant], but...

That feels like the phrasing of a compromise lynch though

[Gamma Emerald]

townreading

Severa
Bitmap
Sujimichi
Alchemist21
Gamma emerald maybe

That's almost my scumread list. Could you remove bitmap?

Why is removing Bitmap all you ask for when your reads are so polar?

[Gamma Emerald]

You better fucking apologize

I was apologizing to Kerset for doing what she just complained about, but I guess you also deserve an apology for my shit push on you

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Venus and Mars

play this game

I won’t be following this unless they criminally underperform but I agree with the spirit of the vote

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler:

I can't argue with your opinion.

And, yes, I have stated where I agree with others. This is true. Consistently is not an adverb that is accurate, however.

I think it’s fair to say you have been agreeing with others a lot. Yes, you’ve raised points yourself but it seems like you’re more than happy to sit behind someone and cheerlead them. I think the Boonism for that action is warlocking? It comes across as scummy because you’re trying to promote the idea without taking as much responsibility. I know scum do this because I did it myself subconsciously once when I was starting out.

I’ll say it again - agreeing with consensus doesn’t make someone scum.

Yes, but the way he’s doing it is extremely shady. He’s like “ah yes, this makes sense”. I have noted in my history here two ways scum will agree with people that are solid tells imo. The first is where scum will support a townie’s idea by bolstering the Townie’s argument while adding little of their own content to it. This is what I mentioned I was caught for in the past earlier, and it serves scum because it helps keep them blameless. I have noticed Suji doing this in spades. The second method is when scum entrench themselves into one argument, then a Townie makes a better one and they hop on at full speed to the Townie’s idea. I caught scum doing this in a game that I can’t recall the name of but that I know had Aliens in the name, and the reason why it’s scummy is it’s a demonstration that they aren’t interested in honest discussion, they just want the argument that best suits them. I don’t recall Suji doing this but I feel like someone else may have done it this game if not him, so it’s something to keep in mind.

Adding a bit of your own perspective to something you agree with isn’t scummy at all. Idk where you get that from.

The second example I will agree is actually scummy, not because it’s sheeping but because the sudden switch when you were so entrenched in the previous argument shows a lack of conviction and sincerity in your own argument.

Yes, but the way he’s doing it is extremely shady. He’s like “ah yes, this makes sense”.

How, in your opinion, does one convey agreement in a non-shady manner?

I have noted in my history here two ways scum will agree with people that are solid tells imo. The first is where scum will support a townie’s idea by bolstering the Townie’s argument while adding little of their own content to it.

So, in your view, if I am town and I agree with someone's point of view with reasoning or rationale that may strengthen said view, I should keep it to myself?

Your second argument, by your own admission, does not apply to me.

Responding to both of these since my response for one probably deals with the other

@Alch I think you slightly misinterpreted me. Adding a bit of your own perspective is not scummy, I agree with that, but I’m pretty sure I specified that adding nothing was part of the problem.

@Suji as mentioned to Alch if you had expressed a more unique perspective in the posts where you had agreed with others that would have looked better to me. Something like “I agree X is scummy for this, in fact this is how I interpreted it”. Essentially it kinda like the alternative idea thing from before, if you give your alternative interpretation when agreeing with someone, it is towny because you help build on the logic that exists which helps solve the game.

[Gamma Emerald]

Your example non-consensus read is based on meta you have and other people don't, and is therefore difficult for any other player to evaluate unless you give something more of a basis for it. I would also have expected you to elaborate a bit on it rather than just saying "it's X."

I already elaborated when asked and my interaction with Gamma included me trying to make sense of what I was scumreading them for. Those explanations you want

are

already there.

Tbh I don’t get what’s wrong with the meta, if other want to look at it they can (but check Alchemist’s egosearch because mine is a blessed mess)

[Gamma Emerald]

aight pops can be town

Yeah I’ll actually evaluate that post later but I def like what I am seeing
Pops jumps to my third strongest townread

[Gamma Emerald]

Your example non-consensus read is based on meta you have and other people don't, and is therefore difficult for any other player to evaluate unless you give something more of a basis for it. I would also have expected you to elaborate a bit on it rather than just saying "it's X."

I already elaborated when asked and my interaction with Gamma included me trying to make sense of what I was scumreading them for. Those explanations you want

are

already there.

Not sure you're really doing anything of value there, to be frank. I'd rec pivoting to examine someone else and coming back to Gamma later today.

What do you believe is not of value from what Alch is doing?

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler:

So far I’m only sure on Townreading Severa and Salamence. Severa’s main is someone I’ve played with a lot and I’m fairly confident this is their Town play. Regardless of whether Salamance’s claim is real or not, I don’t think scum would cave so easily to a fake guilty on them so I townread them for the response.

You’re the first one to reach out to me so you’re a bit Towny too.

Gamma’s the closes thing to a scumread I have right now but it’s not definite.

What do you think is your most non-consensus read atm?

Probably Gamma. I know other people are looking at them, but not for the same reasons I am.

Why does different reasons = non consensus for you? I don’t think there’s anything AI about this but you seem rather particular about this so I want to figure out your logic here.

The answer to that question should be obvious. If it's different from what everyone else was saying then it's not the consensus. And I was answering Evenstar asking what my most non-consensus read was, and this was as best as I could answer it.

Don’t know if I’ll have a reason to go back to this so like
Why the hell is TL on the bottom but you will only lynch him “if you had to”? This honestly strikes me as scummy enough to shift you to a full scumread

Would lynch TL if I had to [lynch someone this instant], but...

That feels like the phrasing of a compromise lynch though

if you feel like i ought to have a non-compromise lynch on page 20, before three of the players had even really done anything, idk what to say to you.

My response to both of these boils down to “ok whatever”

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t really get the sense Alch is tunneling, tbh I feel like we’ve reach a good point between us so maybe I should be a better read of his but his sorting feels like it’s in good faith

[Gamma Emerald]

Your example non-consensus read is based on meta you have and other people don't, and is therefore difficult for any other player to evaluate unless you give something more of a basis for it. I would also have expected you to elaborate a bit on it rather than just saying "it's X."

I already elaborated when asked and my interaction with Gamma included me trying to make sense of what I was scumreading them for. Those explanations you want

are

already there.

Not sure you're really doing anything of value there, to be frank. I'd rec pivoting to examine someone else and coming back to Gamma later today.

I disagree. I think I'm coming around to a Town Gamma, and if Gamma and I both realize we're Town it adds a lot of value to the game. This is why I wanted to talk with Gamma, to try and get a better understanding of them here, and I think I am.

See this is what I felt him coming around to
So like how is what he did tunneling, when he’s clearly changed his read?

[Gamma Emerald]

TL/Evenstar are you guys scum partners

do you think I would've hesitated to bus this

gentleman

for 20 pages?

Actually I kinda do
Also why is gentleman italicized

[Gamma Emerald]

I get the feeling V&M being inactive isn’t a scumtell though
We’ll see

[Gamma Emerald]

still p. garbage, but improving. Venus & Mars not having checked in is getting to be annoying. can't wait for D2 so Severa will be dead and I can sheep her reads without fear.

This is weird af from you. How did you go from hating me and my playstyle and feeling like we can't get along because I'm arrogant to obedient sheep?

I mean I took about the same approach when I realized who you were in PM
I didn’t like what you were doing but I didn’t let that change the fact you were blindingly town when I considered who you were

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean, this is referring to trusting my reads not my alignment but okay I'll drop it for now.

I guess this makes more sense

Also I wouldn’t call Severa blindingly town but she’s at the top of my read list so leshrug

(Btw I think I understand how Creature is able to post so much now)

[Gamma Emerald]

Kerset/TL/ND39hydra

Why Kerset?

[Gamma Emerald]

pops your read on me feels very one-dimensional
I have things besides me pushing Severa, engage them

[Gamma Emerald]

Besides that, again will become through the full walk later
Curious why there’s another wall when pops said they would be multiposting after the last one

[Gamma Emerald]

"Lol I'm scum but that's not why?"
Severa has already gone into how Suji's slot is being mistreated.
Farkran read I agree with to some extent.
I don't know what else you've posted about.
I'm not required to do an audit on your iso to raise a concern about something that happened.

You don’t need to audit my ISO but the fact that seems like the only thing of mine you saw fit to talk about has me worried you’re avoid probably evaluating my play

[Gamma Emerald]

I assume seafood = Tempura, anything else?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ehh, everyone thinks my reads are crap so idk how I can townside...

D1 is hell, just end it

Wait is this a 3p soft

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler: lol

[Gamma Emerald]

"Lol I'm scum but that's not why?"
Severa has already gone into how Suji's slot is being mistreated.
Farkran read I agree with to some extent.
I don't know what else you've posted about.
I'm not required to do an audit on your iso to raise a concern about something that happened.

You don’t need to audit my ISO but the fact that seems like the only thing of mine you saw fit to talk about has me worried you’re avoid probably evaluating my play

I think I try to read your posts as quickly as possible because that avatar is always to the left of them.
I am very much team bring-back-Rayquaza

What’s wrong with Ciera Easton

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't really know if I need a lead rist considering my reads are worthless so a lead rist provides negative insight

Meh try anyway

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't really know if I need a lead rist considering my reads are worthless so a lead rist provides negative insight

Meh try anyway

isn't it anti-town to intentionally detract from town's insight though?!

Just because I suspect you doesn’t make your reads worthless

plus I don’t wanna allow anti spew strats to pass undetected

[Gamma Emerald]

lesign

[Gamma Emerald]

I think only the magia part of salamence claim is bs

The rest is true

Why would I lie about 1 part

Tbh this question is fair, also this the second time Farkran has had a response like this to a claim
Like it feels like Farkran is posting scum PT thoughts in the main thread by trying to rate the claims’ legitamacy

Ok - i tried to drop the issue, but this seems to be surfacing every time and i think it's not town-motivated here.

Please explain to me the scum intent in trying to DOUBT a rolecop fullclaim from salamence

in a game where i literally saw people taking bs at face value and believing it

. I can only see two possibilities:

1) Salamence is dumb and actually claimed his role -> he's getting nked and me adding wifom is going to help against that
2) Salamence is smart, has a very shitty ability and tries to attract nk -> scum!me would shut the hell up and kill elsewhere because i can control the nk and i don't care about his bs

Depending on what scum thinks they could choose either way, but i see no scum motivation in me trying to doubt that fullclaim. As i said, it's not like he would answer me, given that i didn't even TRY to pressure him about the claim.

VOTE: gamma emerald

It seems you're trying to justify a push on me with excuses.

I mean there’s no inherent scum intent there
But why are you CERTAIN everything else is true? THAT reads like you are trying to rate the claim, more than calling the 1 part BS.

And like “trying to drop it” yeah idk where this happened

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma's list and reasoning make sense, but i do have a question

Why would i try to appraise you and salamence in the day thread? It's not like you're going to answer that. Also, if anything, i have been consistent in 1. (slightly) townlean blast disc pickers; 2. declaring what i believed and what i didn't believe from all slots making a claim.

I can see your point about me and suji distancing, that may validate your vote on me. Could you expand on TL though? You mentioned weird interactions between me and him. Do you see that as distancing too, or is there anything else?

My best guess to why you’d appraise us here (versus the scum PT, which I assume you are implying) is you just threw those up in instant reaction to the posts. If you would like to point out your other reactions to claims that would be nice, that way I could see if the pattern continues

As for TL interactions, yeah those kinda look like distancing too but my thinking about the connection between you and TL is “they may or may not be scum together, I see nothing in favor of either possibility”. While with Suji there’s the stuff I mentioned.

I think i have already reacted to every claim so far, stating whether i believe/don't believe them and how i read them in terms of alignment. Feel free to ask me if i missed any.

So, i get that you are scumreading both me and TL, but you are only scumreading TL based on your assumption that i am scum, correct?

I am not scumreading him just because I SR you, I seem to have forgotten to write this out but I also think you both could be scum individually

Btw gonna prolly be off for the next 4 hours, gonna be watching movies

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel sick as hell today so I’m probably going to be doing jack shit. In addition:

VLA between Wednesday and Saturday (up through the end of November), Thanksgiving means family time and that means less phone time.

[Gamma Emerald]

I fixed my avatar to fit the theme of this game. Her name is San Diego.

I wish Gamma would change it as well.

This makes sense from Pops but why do you say this

[Gamma Emerald]

Last I checked we had 10 less pages
I don’t want to be struggling to catch up when I get back

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi
So you fuckers managed to near triple the game size and then hammer just as I was close to getting to work I’m catching up
Go fuck yourselves

[Gamma Emerald]

My favorite part of this game is how its me, Farkran, Bitmap, Severa, and Evenstar; with special guest appearances by Pops, Shiro Drew, Chemist, Alchemist, and Kerset

HOLY SHIT I’M UNCREDITED
NICE JOB YOU SHITSMEARS

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi
So you fuckers managed to near triple the game size and then hammer just as I was close to getting to work I’m catching up
Go fuck yourselves

Yo chill

No. I’m salty that you guys can’t chill.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi
So you fuckers managed to near triple the game size and then hammer just as I was close to getting to work I’m catching up
Go fuck yourselves

No catchup, vote Farkran and hurry mate

Aren’t I already on him?

[Gamma Emerald]

FARKRAN IS LYING.

LIARS ARE ALWAYS SCUM UNLESS THEY ARE RAIDIANT COWBELLS.

FARKRAN IS CONFSCUM I GOT HER

I wonder if this is the one with a post restriction rather than TL. That would actually make sense and i'm dumb for not noticing this earlier

I dont have a post restriction. Im just making enough posts to cover the lack of posts from Shiro/Chemist/Gamma

KNOCK IT OFF
ALSO IF IM NOT ON FARKRAN IM NOT VOTING HIM RN BECAUSE OF THIS

[Gamma Emerald]

MITAMA'S SPECIAL TRAINING

VOTECOUNT 1.6

popsofctown

(6P, 16V):Severa(3), Farkran(3), Sujimichi(3), TemporalLich(3), Bitmap(2), Evenstar(2)

Kerset

(1P, 3V,): Alchemist21(3)

Farkran

(4P, 13V): Gamma Emerald(4), Salamence20(4), Venus and Mars(2), popsofctown(3)

Salamence20

(1P, 3V): , Kerset(3)

Not Voting (1P, 2V)

: Chemist1422(2)

With a total of 37 votes, it's 19 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-12-07 23:00:00)

Lemme know if the votecount is wrong or something

Tbh I’m interested in the reasoning for this cos last I checked quite a few townread Pops. I was kinda unsure but w/e

[Gamma Emerald]

Also Farkran is saying Shiro Drew is “reactionary and emotional” seems like a way to discredit them imo.

Don’t know context but knowing that hydra I agree with this

[Gamma Emerald]

I believe pops is town, I think shes demotivated from severa.

This interesting. Severa is hardpushing pops with a bg counterclaim. Do you believe severa is lying? Or the other bg is lying? Or that there can be two bgs?

I think there is only one BG. Severa isnt “hardpushing” based on the claim, otherwise we would have a hammer by now

I dont think I should comment on anything else at this time.

OKAY HOLD ON
SETUP RULES IIRC ALLOW FOR THE SAME ROLE VIA SHARING FLAVOR
DO BOTH BG CLAIMS HAVE THE SAME FLAVOR ATTACHED TO THAT ROLE

[Gamma Emerald]

I believe pops is town, I think shes demotivated from severa.

This interesting. Severa is hardpushing pops with a bg counterclaim. Do you believe severa is lying? Or the other bg is lying? Or that there can be two bgs?

Question: Is it really impossible to have more than one of the same kind of role here? In No Deadlines, there were sometimes 3 or 4 of the exact same role.

It’s my first time playing a TK game though.

Was that game a mini?

I don’t believe so but like I said there were 3 or 4 of the same thing. Under the Sea was a mini and there were 5 millers in that. And in Boundaries of Reality, also a mini, there were like 7 desperados in that.

UtS and BoR were smaller larges but even then a 13p mini can have the same role twice

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I think that pops is scum anyway fkadlsuduskgKHg,jxjkzjsha

Why

[Gamma Emerald]

I believe pops is town, I think shes demotivated from severa.

This interesting. Severa is hardpushing pops with a bg counterclaim. Do you believe severa is lying? Or the other bg is lying? Or that there can be two bgs?

I think there is only one BG. Severa isnt “hardpushing” based on the claim, otherwise we would have a hammer by now

I dont think I should comment on anything else at this time.

OKAY HOLD ON
SETUP RULES IIRC ALLOW FOR THE SAME ROLE VIA SHARING FLAVOR
DO BOTH BG CLAIMS HAVE THE SAME FLAVOR ATTACHED TO THAT ROLE

No, sayaka miki vs sana futaba

Okay, has anyone seen the flavor or done the homework on how probable it is they can both be that role

[Gamma Emerald]

is my idea dumb?

am i being dumb?

Why doesn't Sala just role cop pops instead of having town go on a lynching spree of possibly 2 BGs?

Pops claimed after she was voted. So did you vote her because you find her scummy or not?

idk i kind of believe that the mod would put 2 BGs sort of

Mind telling me what the

fuck

you’re doing? Your posting is all over the place here.

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh how does shield = bg
Like does she protect her friends with it a lot or smth

[Gamma Emerald]

Why doesn't Sala just role cop pops instead of having town go on a lynching spree of possibly 2 BGs?

Pops claimed after she was voted. So did you vote her because you find her scummy or not?

idk i kind of believe that the mod would put 2 BGs sort of

Oh actually this looks rather scummy if Bitmap is one of the claims
VOTE: Bitmap
Might not mean anything but FUCK IT
AND NO YOU MAY NOT BLAME ME, I WAS NOT HERE THE PAST 4 DAYS

[Gamma Emerald]

Pops is dying and the two people hard defending him are the two people who have SvSish associatives

If I am pushing this gal this hard and they are still not dead then scum are not voting for them.

K so who are these two?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma go to the corner, you're grounded.

YOU’RE NOT MY DAD

[Gamma Emerald]

Why doesn't Sala just role cop pops instead of having town go on a lynching spree of possibly 2 BGs?

Pops claimed after she was voted. So did you vote her because you find her scummy or not?

idk i kind of believe that the mod would put 2 BGs sort of

Oh actually this looks rather scummy if Bitmap is one of the claims
VOTE: Bitmap
Might not mean anything but FUCK IT
AND NO YOU MAY NOT BLAME ME, I WAS NOT HERE THE PAST 4 DAYS

MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN HERE THEN YOU LAZY NUB

I WAS SPENDING THANKS GIVING WITH FAMILY GO TO HELL BITCH

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, I'd like to say we've played a decent amount of games together. How sporadic and unpredictable of a player am I usually?

Not this level

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh dear god could you not make this impossible to read

[Gamma Emerald]

Alright, time to start going through all the garbage you losers worked up

… you're BoPing Kerset? That wouldn't really be the angle that appeals to me.

Kerset's posted a lot more about what ker reads are rather than why they are.

Gamewide I think people are doing lists too much and I think discussing top 3's and why you feel that way is more relevant but I probably shouldn't try to browbeat people into following my style preferences

This seems like something to go back to and think about

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think pops is town. Literally ez push after ez push and I still think TL is town.

I agree TL prolly town following pops’ weird vote post

[Gamma Emerald]

I fixed my avatar to fit the theme of this game. Her name is San Diego.

I wish Gamma would change it as well.

I don’t know if I responded to this but like
Why the fuck are you out of all people bringing this up? I don’t know you

[Gamma Emerald]

If I had to give a meta read I'd say Gamma feels off-meta

Ok this + stonewalling the pops wagon might be scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

I fixed my avatar to fit the theme of this game. Her name is San Diego.

I wish Gamma would change it as well.

This makes sense from Pops but why do you say this

Yeah I asked this here and it looks like it went unanswered
Kerset have you been stalking me?

[Gamma Emerald]

I fixed my avatar to fit the theme of this game. Her name is San Diego.

I wish Gamma would change it as well.

I don’t know if I responded to this but like
Why the fuck are you out of all people bringing this up? I don’t know you

Because you are the only one without anime on avatar...

Well ok then

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh. I get it.

VOTE: Chemist

Hrm?

[Gamma Emerald]

THERES SIMPLER WAYS TO GET NO RESULT.

FARKRAN IS LYING. THERES NO REASON FOR ME TO FAKE A STATUS AILMENT WHEN I DONT KNOW WHAT SAID AILMENT DOES.

FARKRAN IS SETTING UP A MISLYNCH.

I have to agree here, idk Salamence’s flavor knowledge but I feel like if he weren’t well acquainted with it he probably wouldn’t feel like he could do something like that

[Gamma Emerald]

If no disc was used I shouldnt have 3 votes unless someone gifted me 2 votes with their night action.

I think stun still allows me to be targeted

This would be a nice framing setup for you, but i have a couple issues with it:

1) I think it is very unlikely that scum has access to a vote gift ability in addition to another roleblocking power (we lynched their Bewitcher, which is a soft-roleblock)
2) I doubt that the votegift is coming from town after your performance yesterday.

I can figure there are votegifting abilities given the mechanics of this game and Evenstar's role PM, but i don't see them coming from scum, and... there's a lot of roleblocking power in this game if scum has access to a Stunner too.

Why does the gift have to be a frame attempt?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think people are better off disregarding this as Im pretty sure this is more of a misunderstanding than it is anything game-relevant. I completely understand lynching me though, but would advise to atleast keep me alive and go for the perfect town win.

What I said earlier about why Im town still stands, theres no reason for me to fake stunned as scum, among the other things I did D1.

I think Farkran is town, I think theres a misunderstanding somewhere that will probably be best for asking postgame. I dont think Shiro Drew is scum but the post willing to lynch me seems somewhat opportunistic. Kerset is a decent choice because her explanation doesnt really tell us why she didnt vote pops other than Severa and sheeping.

I think my other reads were mentioned before but Im looking at Kerset/Chemist/Suji/Chemist at this time.

Ill answer any other questions directed to me.

Tbh I feel like Farkran doesn’t act like this as scum so I got something out of this

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh Sala outed himself already huh

I told my hood we were lynching him today before any of this today but I did want to seriously pressure ND first

Well then
Is this still happening?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Salamence

WELP

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually early self hammer is probably scum...

Given his AtE about “don’t let me ruin the perfect game, oh yeah

[Gamma Emerald]

What bet?

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw i think 3rd scum is gamma, he went away shortly after we started pushing sala

lol okay

[Gamma Emerald]

They and Sala should be PLed for their defenses of pops

If both are town, 1t1s, 2s, doesn't matter we will restart aftee

Let me read V&M before we lynch them

[Gamma Emerald]

What bet?

Is sala scum or not?

What are the stakes? I already know what I’ll say but I want to know if this is going to affect anything

[Gamma Emerald]

Sala is scum
I mean now it’s EVEN MORE OBVIOUS

[Gamma Emerald]

How dare you /s

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi Nancy, pls fix this game. RC is broken and Sala is throwing.

Salamence is only throwing as town

[Gamma Emerald]

TL is almost confirmed town. I know scum's last PR. There's a fucking SK I told you guys.

Why is there an SK? Imo it’s much more likely vig or some other myriad of killing roles based on V&M and my roles.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma did you get any bonus vote yesterday?

No, why?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I checked everything over and I never picked up any extra votes

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I checked everything over and I never picked up any extra votes

You need to flavorclaim right now

Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok then
Meiyuu Chun

[Gamma Emerald]

Now I’d like to know what this thing I did is

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok so far here's what i believe with a decent degree of certainty:

• TL is a town neighborizer
  
• Suji is a town vig
  
• Kerset is town
  
• Alchemist is town

I'm not entirely certain of bitmap's claim yet, but it's plausible until proven otherwise. Also i think i know Chemist's flavor, but it's NAI. Given that list, my PoE is {Gamma, Chemist}.

So, looking at Salamence +40mp night ability and people who -probably- picked an Accel disc d2: {gamma, alchemist, sujimichi} i think we have our 3rd scum in gamma who likely has a strongman ability embedded in her magia power, which allowed him to bypass bitmap's protection. Plus there's also VCA and plausible distancing from pops in d1 to back this up.

VOTE: chemist but i actually want to lynch gamma today, will vote gamma in my next post due to my ability

What is this “plausible distancing from pops”? And what is your VCA?

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler: pops on gamma

I'm still not happy with Gamma's slot. Ontop of his sketchy read progression on Severa his tone just doesn't feel as townie as it usually does to me.
Farkran has a lot of scum equity, my hesitance to push their is paranoia about the popularity of the wagon (especially since he was L-1+intented in his first game as town) and a desire to play with him some more. He seems to care more about what people think about him or care more about being right rather than sorting and that gives me a feeling he might be scum.
The back up options are falling off a lot after that, because the rest of things I scumread tend to be mostly you.

Show me where you are using your own thoughts as opposed to move people up and down your internal readlist because so far i have only seen general consensus reads coming from you, which MIGHT be ok but i would expect at least some concern when your instinct leads you to vote already populated wagons rather than doubt the town-motivation of any of those wagons.

TL;DR please produce a detailed readlist with only your own thoughts.

This is where you call V&M a sheepy slot? And I don't think it's the only time?
I'm surprised you're trying to walk it back rather than trying to justify it.

I'm not sure why you're voting me. I've read you correctly 0/1 times, a BoP that town!pops would never misread you is silly. Do you not understand my reasoning for disliking your slot?
I think Alchemist, Gamma, and TL are all better lynches than you, or at least I did think that, but if you're just going immediately scumlock me for voting you and start speculating associatives there's not much ability to work with you here. The progression's not making sense to me.

Would it make you happier if I played, Eva? You did mention that laziness makes you sad earlier.

I will play if it makes you happy.
I assure you it won't make a big difference, but I do like you. You gave me an award.

pedit: Hm. I think I would use it on Gamma. I don't think he would be the likeliest to flip scum, but I think he's the most dangerous as scum, because I'm worried about how consistent Severa reads people who have lunged at him. I think TL, Alchemist, Bitmap, and Farkran* are scummy but Severa and the town as a unit can course correct them more easily.

There's this whole theory discussion about using vigs based on consensus even when consensus is wrong because you conclude mislynches before they actually have to happen, I'm undecided about that and don't want to think about it.

I don't know if Severa is misreading me, I don't know Severa's alignment.

If Severa is town I think I've explained why Gamma is I think he'd get Gamma wrong here.

I don't understand how getting mislynched is supposed to make me see in high definition.

I was townreading Chemist and am willing to fight about it.

Alchemist is failing to meet low expectations here.

Who's scum besides TL, Alchemist?

I’d say it’s likely at least 1 scum is on my wagon right now.

Your vote is the least understandable to me. You’ve seen me be like this is Town before so why am I scummy to you for “failing to meet low expectations?”

I think my word choice is pretty clear that I'm indicating you're actually being even worse than starcraft.

I do actually like red!gamma better based on expectations vs. reality, but it's getting hard to deny that's a vanity wagon.

I mean pops' progression on gamma is pretty much shit-level, which makes a lot of sense coming from scumpartners. Pops sounded very determined to say that gamma was a better lynch than me and how much he was scummy but was never really committed to lynch him, instead choosing me as his main opportunistic/scapegoat target.

This could also true for TL, but i don't think TL is a scum neighborizer here.

Also:

Spoiler: salamence on gamma

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Still avoiding TL I see.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

...er. That could also work, they currently have very good associative potential (yeah, i like to work with pre-flip associatives, idc if you guys think they're satan) but i think bitmap has more individual scum equity right now.

No.

What's your "no" referring to? Bitmap being scum? Gamma being scum? Gamma and bitmap having associative potential? Working with associatives at all? Pops being town?

I have no interest in Gamma getting lynched today.

Pops should be voting TL but just keeps avoiding it until she got pressured.

What's the meaning of this SvS exchange if not to make gamma look like a less "viable" wagon than i was, therefore allowing pops to deviate from him?

Finally, well, gamma was on neither scum wagon. I would have expected one busser but i kinda agree with RC that we should lynch outside the wagons first.

I can’t really refute the interactions but that VCA, holy fuck. YOU DO REALIZE I WAS VLA FOR THE FIRST WAGON, AND YOU GUYS DID THE SECOND ONE AT FULL SPEED? DO SOME FACT CHECKING DIPAHIT.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, what the FUCK was the point of having me flavor claim? I REALLY don’t see how that’s relevant.

[Gamma Emerald]

If it goes through Doctor why the hell wouldn’t it go through BG

[Gamma Emerald]

I know nothing about the flavor, how does it affect disc distribution?

And I don’t care if it’s “everything combined”, your VCA is ABSOLUTELY SHIT TIER.

As for where else to look tbh I don’t even know why you’re out of the picture but I kinda feel like it might be TL based on the Evenstar kill. Why do you think his role can’t be scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

Each girl has a different disc distribution that can be looked up on the interwebs.

Also TL is a neighborizer and was scumread by half of the town in d1

Ok, so how does that make TL town

[Gamma Emerald]

He neighborized 2 people D1 and has done no more since I believe? Doesn’t seem like a specialty to me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Night action is to boost a player’s MP by 25%
I passively receive 25% MP from any boosts
Magia is to Fog a player for two phases, which I claimed yesterday and used on V&M last night

Uhhh what’s Fog

[Gamma Emerald]

Please don’t ask me what I was thinking I don’t have an answer

Tbh if you’re claiming your real role I think it’s quite unlikely you’re scum based on Salamence’s flip
I do realize this puts me as like the sole choice but I think this is worth considering
Think about how broken Chemist+Sala would be together

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually hmmm

[Gamma Emerald]

Night action is to boost a player’s MP by 25%
I passively receive 25% MP from any boosts
Magia is to Fog a player for two phases, which I claimed yesterday and used on V&M last night

Who did you boost n1 and n2?

RC night 1

Gamma night 2

So instead of the confirmed town BG, you gave the fucking MP boost to Gamma???????

Yeah tbh this question is fair

@Gamma

, did you get an MP boost?

Idk
I’ve only gotten status updates at day end, when I asked for what my N1 end status was earlier I got shut down, but I’m asking what my current MP is rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I really don't like gamma reaction. He got mad really easily.

I got mad because a BS point was made
Don’t bring weak shit against me acting like it’s strong or I’ll fucking break it

[Gamma Emerald]

I got my answer
So Chemist, how exactly does your role work?

[Gamma Emerald]

I got my answer
So Chemist, how exactly does your role work?

Did you get the MP increase?

I got my answer
So Chemist, how exactly does your role work?

The disk you pick gives you 25% more MP

Yes
At 110 rn
So I really don’t think we should be lynching Chemist based on setup spec
If anyone has a reason to think otherwise feel free to speak up but until I’m looking elsewhere

[Gamma Emerald]

I already mentioned TL so...
And tbh I’d rather it be me than him rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I think option 1 is the most likely out of those
Options 2 and 3 are both weird, like Bitmap and RC confirmed TL’s neighborizer action and Butmap prolly has no reason to lie as town so

[Gamma Emerald]

You should fullclaim gamma

Ok, not like my role is useful at all
So I already claimed my main ability, I also have a skill Memoria called “It’s Not a Stuffed Animal, Is It?” that gives me an extra vote for a day, and my Magia is called Hawk Shadow Slash and allows me to become Ascetic for two phases
Also I really had no idea what I was doing with my discs but I still stick to my initial comment that Bitmap’s accusation wrt discs was rather silly imo

[Gamma Emerald]

You should fullclaim gamma

Ok, not like my role is useful at all
So I already claimed my main ability, I also have a skill Memoria called “It’s Not a Stuffed Animal, Is It?” that gives me an extra vote for a day, and my Magia is called Hawk Shadow Slash and allows me to become Ascetic for two phases
Also I really had no idea what I was doing with my discs but I still stick to my initial comment that Bitmap’s accusation wrt discs was rather silly imo

Where did you claim your main ability? I skimmed your ISO but didn't see it, i probably overlooked something?

Find it yourself, you commented on it before
It shouldn’t be that hard

[Gamma Emerald]

Based on wording it doesn’t look random but I actually am not sure
Should I ask about that?

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh if I have that as scum I prolly don’t out it, I’m not like mastina, I don’t gimp myself for some stupid claim meta

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean that’s okay if you want to see it that way, you can’t trust self meta but that’s how I think it would have gone in that scenario
And tbh my role is super helpful for scum at times, which is why I claimed it and am never using it

[Gamma Emerald]

I didn’t consider that but I guess I should make absolutely certain

[Gamma Emerald]

It says everything except kills
And like you’re going to have explain how you have it narrowed down to those three because I don’t think it’s either Bitmap or Chemist and I know it’s not me

[Gamma Emerald]

2 things
>I don’t recall Farkran claim that action, iirc he claimed to have poisoned Chemist
>Why are we believing Sala about being stunned?

[Gamma Emerald]

It says everything except kills
And like you’re going to have explain how you have it narrowed down to those three because I don’t think it’s either Bitmap or Chemist and I know it’s not me

By the way, since you asked:

TL is a neighborizer, can't believe he can bypass bitmap protection alone.

Suji is a vig, no counterclaim. There have been 2 kills so he's either a true vig or sk, but we don't care for sk right now

Alchemist was charmed by kerset, cannot bypass bitmap protection alone

Kerset is a charmer, he could have killed RC but it doesn't make sense for the scum team to have access to charm. I explained why multiple times

Bitmap claimed bg as a counterclaim to pops

So there are only me, chemist, and gamma left.

I know i am not, and if you believe i would have bussed twice in d1 and d2, i don't know what to tell you. I literally singlehandedly led the bus against salamence when i had no reason to.

Therefore, either one out of chemist and gamma are lying, or bitmap is lying about being a bg and it was a plan orchestrated by him and pops to gain pseudo-conftown status by counterclaiming each other. I don't think this is the case, but it's the only other possibility to gamma and chemist.

There are not enough mislynches to get everyone, so let's not throw the game and lynch gamma and chemist please.

PLEASE explain how NEIGHBORIZER equals UNABLE TO BYPASS PROTECTION
Like you seem to be assuming that a) the Neighborizer is the only aspect to his role and b) that it somehow clears him. Idk if that’s actually what you’re doing but it seems like it

[Gamma Emerald]

Bitmap and TL you're literally throwing, get back on gamma

this reaction says it all

Was gamma reaction better?

Was it worse???

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s fair then.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay, what is his confirmed power? If you’re asserting that a group DEFINITELY has a liar when you don’t know all the information regarding someone outside that group, you’re making a massive logical leap. We also don’t have Alchemist’s claim so how are you certain he’s not involved?

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually, why did you say Bitmap was throwing if he’s in your effective PoE?

[Gamma Emerald]

Chemist why didn't you say anything about gamma?

im trying to coast through without any reads

shhh

What is your win condition?

the same town one that is given in the OP

Do you think Farkran’s PoE is correct or not?

[Gamma Emerald]

Chemist if ur town can you at least try?

how

like

what do I do

I’m behind and kinda overwhelmed by how much I’ve missed

I also missed stuff but I don’t think it’s worth worrying about until Day 5

[Gamma Emerald]

Like either I strain myself to read it all now, or I wait until I feel like it’s necessary
Day 5 is a time when a) it’s possibly MYLO and b) we’ve probably gone through the obvious ideas, so it would be when we’d need to look for more leads
That explain things?

[Gamma Emerald]

Like either I strain myself to read it all now, or I wait until I feel like it’s necessary
Day 5 is a time when a) it’s possibly MYLO and b) we’ve probably gone through the obvious ideas, so it would be when we’d need to look for more leads
That explain things?

You're literally not going to make it even close to Day 5 at this rate.

OK
But I'm detailing the logic to someone else, and that person might

[Gamma Emerald]

Lead Rist since GE is an obvious vote and idk what else is going on:

[Town]

Bitmap - I feel confident in saying I'm practically a mason with Bitmap.
Kerset - Likely town, decent ISO.
Sujimichi - Low effort but towny.
Alchemist21 - Mainly scum points for scumslipping with the Charm claim. I don't have a coherent solve right now as you can exchange Fark and Alch but Chemist and GE are static.
Farkran - Reacts a lot like scum rather than town. Otherwise a crapshoot.
Chemist1422 - Still likely scum. Was never quite good but the stun thing hurts, but new posts seem promising.
Gamma Emerald - Was always off-meta, but the claim doesn't amaze me either and GE seems to be coasting a bit now.

[Scum]

How is the charm claim a scum slip
also you've maintain this vague "off meta" stance on me, define it plz

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler:

MITAMA'S SPECIAL TRAINING

VOTECOUNT 1.6

Kerset

(5P, 15V,

L-4

): Severa(3), Salamence20(4), Alchemist21(3), TemporalLich(3), Bitmap(2)

Alchemist21

(2P, 6V): popsofctown(3), Kerset(3)

Farkran

(1P, 4V): Gamma Emerald(

4

)

Salamence20

(1P, 2V): Evenstar(2)

Evenstar

(1P, 3V): Farkran(3)

Not Voting (3P, 7V)

: Sujimichi(3), Venus and Mars(2), Chemist1422(2)

With a total of 37 votes, it's 19 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-12-07 23:00:00)

Just as a reminder, a player who is not voting the top wagon and has orange numbers has enough votes to cast a hammer.

MITAMA'S SPECIAL TRAINING

VOTECOUNT 1.7

popsofctown

(4P, 11V): Salamence20(4), Evenstar(2), Severa(3), Bitmap(2)

Kerset

(2P, 6V,): Alchemist21(3), TemporalLich(3)

Alchemist21

(2P, 6V): popsofctown(3), Kerset(3)

Farkran

(1P, 4V): Gamma Emerald(4)

Bitmap

(1P, 3V): Farkran(3)

Not Voting (3P, 7V)

: Sujimichi(3), Venus and Mars(2), Chemist1422(2)

With a total of 37 votes, it's 19 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-12-07 23:00:00)

Sujimichi has been prodded. They have (expired on 2019-11-30 11:50:00) to return or they will be replaced.

MITAMA'S SPECIAL TRAINING

VOTECOUNT 1.7

popsofctown

(7P, 18V):Severa(3), Farkran(3), Sujimichi(3), TemporalLich(3), Bitmap(2), Evenstar(2), Chemist1422(2)

Kerset

(1P, 3V,): Alchemist21(3)

Farkran

(4P, 13V): Gamma Emerald(4), Salamence20(4), Venus and Mars(2), popsofctown(3)

Salamence20

(1P, 3V): , Kerset(3)

Not Voting

: Nobody \o/

With a total of 37 votes, it's 19 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-12-07 23:00:00)

I don't mind being any one of you's waifu UwU

I see a hammer. Flip coming in around 5-30 minutes.

MITAMA'S SPECIAL TRAINING

VOTECOUNT 1.10

popsofctown

(8P, 21V):Severa(3), Farkran(3), Sujimichi(3), TemporalLich(3), Bitmap(2), Evenstar(2), Chemist1422(2), Alchemist21(3)

Farkran

(4P, 13V): Gamma Emerald(4), Salamence20(4), Venus and Mars(2), popsofctown(3)

Salamence20

(1P, 3V): , Kerset(3)

Not Voting

: Nobody \o/

With a total of 37 votes, it's 19 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-12-07 23:00:00)

d1

gamma/alch/kerset were offwagon from the main pops wagon in the third VC I quoted

leaning the last scum being in alch/kerset off this because tbh I don't think all three triple up on farkran

definitely taking fark and probably suji and TL out of my PoE

Also unless scum went all in on bus strats Farkran is not scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh I think it's not exactly correct to write me off for staying on Fark given I was VLA
Like if I'm gonna call out accusations influenced by that I think it's only right to call out exonerations influenced by it too