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[Karnage]

Karnage replaces Sera Masumi.

Hey all

I’ve skimmed the thread but will go back and get fully caught up later today

Won’t be back until tonight due to the thanksgiving holiday

[Karnage]

I'm pretty much caught up and I'm happy where my vote is on BigfatDonald/Gobbledygook. Like what I see from skitter and I'm pretty sure Naerys is town

BigFatDonald > Arkias > BugSpray > GeorgeBailey = RC > PvtUrist > skitter =Naerys

Be back later tonight to elaborate

[Karnage]

I'm pretty much caught up and I'm happy where my vote is on BigfatDonald. Like what I see from skitter and I'm pretty sure Naerys is town

BigFatDonald > Gobbledgook > BugSpray > GeorgeBailey = RC > Lovebird > skitter =Naerys

Be back later tonight to elaborate

EBWOP

gotta keep better track of who replaced who

[Karnage]

VOTE: Bugspray

why?

[Karnage]

that's a pretty dull replace in mr. chicken

Spoiler:

[Karnage]

Karnage, why are you scumreading BFD?

I think he's pulling out the newb card way too fucking much but in 42 he says he's done research. It just all feels forced to me.

[Karnage]

both people presently posting feel really really bad

that would be you and the turkey?

[Karnage]

When will you be elaborating as promised?

sorry, I got distracted by somebody jumping into the thread with a naked vote

p-edit: lol you guys were the last two posts, no?

[Karnage]

it's not hard to realize that i'm talking about you and gobbledygook

no shit. have you lost your sense of humor since we last played?

[Karnage]

for gobble (previously arkias)...

109 garbage readlist and a weird pvturist vote when he wanted more info from naerys <-- never actually engages pvturist
129 what does any of this mean?
173 where does the bugspray vote come from?
207 meh RC vote

I don't see any of this coming from town

[Karnage]

the souls of the dead haunt me

i must slaughter those too weak to play mafia

Between this post and your Pagliacci post, you’re being melodramatic this game.

somebody has obviously never played with RC before

[Karnage]

When you have time I would appreciate your elaborations. I do not think BFF is scummy. For largely the same reasons that georgeBailey is townreading BFD.

and these reasons are?

[Karnage]

I'm guessing this is what you were referring to?

No, but I think I have two town reads. You (BFD) and Skitter. Your entrance feels really Newb!Town. Idk if Scum playing off as Newb would really go through the effort of asking for Profile Pic, asking definitions, etc. Feels like Newb!Scum would stay quiet and ask their partner in the PT. And it seems like Skitter is trying really hard to move the discussion to a more serious one. Scum is probably enjoying the confusion/'apathy'.

I can see his point about the profile pic but I'm not with him with the asking questions, etc...

BFD has been just so far over the top with the "hey i'm new" stuff that I don't see it as genuine

[Karnage]

if you're town gobbledygook it's probably like exactly bugspray/karnage atp

[Karnage]

Like I can't say I want to see xyz or you're scum because that's not how the game works.

On reread I don't like Bugspray very much.

for gobble (previously arkias)...

109 garbage readlist and a weird pvturist vote when he wanted more info from naerys <-- never actually engages pvturist
207 meh RC vote

I don't see any of this coming from town

I would like to discuss your points re: post 109 and 207. Would discussing these detract from your further elaborations? I understand your post saying you would elaborate on your reads as you would elaborate on all your reads. Are you only going to focus on your scumreads?

holy fucking shit with this guy...

what do you want to know about 109 and 207?

[Karnage]

that eye roll is like

scum like

so much of the time

yet your vote hasn't moved...

p-edit: lol your just obsessed with me elaborating on my reads which is fine I guess but if I do that I can't participate in the current discussion which is what I'd prefer to do atm

[Karnage]

for gobble (previously arkias)...

109 garbage readlist and a weird pvturist vote when he wanted more info from naerys <-- never actually engages pvturist
207 meh RC vote

Post 109 - where did you get the idea that Arkias wanted more info from Naerys?
Post 207 - why is Arkias’ vote on RC “meh” to you?

The best way to finish the RVS, from the wiki, is to start trying to gather information. Out of all the people, the person I just want more from is Naerys

, but I'm against policy votes on principle. So second best applies.

the RC vote felt like OMGUS because it came right after RC pointed out arkias has some experience on site

p-edit: I guess I'm just not good at multitasking

[Karnage]

Re: 109 - Naerys had not yet even posted in the game when Arkias made post 109. Does that change your opinion on the weirdness of the vote on PvTurist?
Re: 207 - Does RC retracting his comment forum mafia change the mehness of the vote? Or the fact that Arkias pointed out he had not even yet finished a game on site?

re: 109 - hmm... I'll have to give that some thought
re: 207 - I missed the retraction, can you link to it?

p-edit: trying to decide if thats genuine or you being an ass lol

[Karnage]

heres my notes from my read through. its a bit disorganized but hopefully it gives you some insight into my reads

Spoiler:

I think BFD is playing the newb card a bit too much <--- really too much (way too fucking much) -- 157/159 BFD answering for naerys?

skitter throwing out townreads a bit too easily -- why naerys?

arkias' reads and pvturist vote is odd -- follow up doesn't make sense either [129] -- page 7 but still thinks we are in RVS? ignoring a bunch of stuff apparently -- why the BS vote? -- expand on what was bothering you? -- OMGUS on RC

Bug spray still makin small talk about anime on page 5 --- any results from your shitposting "gambit"?

RC calling baileys ISO "dead" when he's had like 2 posts feels opportunistic -- RC and his fucking EGO lol -- 183 stating the obvious -- agreeing with him re: arkias though

GB beetlejuice and redirect onto naerys is bad -- hmm maybe re: bfd being newbtown

naerys' "thats fine" feels like me as town

RC/skitter stuff is maybe staged???

ok, after 10 pages this is where I'm at...

BigFatDonald > Arkias > GeorgeBailey = BugSpray = PvtUrist = skitter = RC > Naerys

BFD can't pull the new bullshit all game
Arkias didnt come off good
Naerys reminded me of town!me with the one post but the rest is meh idk
nothing strong on everybody else

naerys' arkias vote comes out of left field (an it put him at l-1) need to double check if he's suspected ark before -- self vote comes from frsutrated newbtown maybe? -- either well coached scum or newbtown

BS trying to pocket BFD? -- "its written in my role pm" yuck -- readlist doesn't match their actions? -- i think i agree with skitter regarding BS's progression -- where was nae on their readlist?

pvturist with a good unvote (maybe BS should have?) -- after readlist won't commit to ark, why not? (PVTURIST IS NOW LOVEBIRD) -- LB, any reason for your reads??

GB - nice call re: BS

RC - "when i get NK'd" yuck -- why the swtich to a naerys vote? -- back to ark after naerys self vote is... idk -- when did GB become a top scum read?

skitter is feeling a lot more townie than anybody else i think

BFD is now gobbledeegook


I think this is where I'm at after getting caught up:

BigFatDonald > Arkias > BugSpray > GeorgeBailey = PvtUrist = RC > skitter =Naerys

actually i tink pvturist is more likley to be town than RC

[Karnage]

RC calling baileys ISO "dead" when he's had like 2 posts feels opportunistic

???

???

[Karnage]

how do you keep calling me yuck and opportunistic and then I magically end up as a townread

town read is a bit strong. more like null

[Karnage]

RC calling baileys ISO "dead" when he's had like 2 posts feels opportunistic

???

???

???

???

[Karnage]

how do you keep calling me yuck and opportunistic and then I magically end up as a townread

you calling it a town read is a bit strong. its more like a null read

EBWOP to clarify

[Karnage]

RC calling baileys ISO "dead" when he's had like 2 posts feels opportunistic

???

ok, looking back that wasn't an accurate assessment. not sure why I interpreted it that way.

[Karnage]

LB, any reason for your reads??

Yes

how about sharing those reasons?

[Karnage]

I replaced Arkias, not BFD.

yeah I realized that, hence the EBWOP earlier

[Karnage]

{Skitter, BFD, GeorgeBailey, Naerys} is my working townbloc right now.

I'm with you on skitter and naerys

where does the georgebailey townread come from?

[Karnage]

actuallly, maybe the turkey would expand on all his reads?

[Karnage]

Okay I have a scumread.

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

Your iso feels really dead to me.

Anyways, my thoughts so far.

Naerys -- Has not made a post at all. Like, at all.

GeorgeBailey -- RVS. Null note.

Arkias -- Clearly scum. The scummiest of the bunch.

bugspray -- Town, probably. Also weird.

BigFatDonald -- I think I agree with skitter here that they are town. Just new, even if they're acting weird.

Sera Masumi-- I see them as town. A lot of it comes from the whole lack of agency moment, with nothing to go on at the moment.

PvtUrist (SE) -- Null. Also watch more anime.

skitter30 (SE) -- Probably town, to be honest.

RadiantCowbells (SE) -- I feel like Radiant isn't actually doing the whole progressing thing they're known for, but at the same time, it's fairly early.

The best way to finish the RVS, from the wiki, is to start trying to gather information. Out of all the people, the person I just want more from is Naerys, but I'm against policy votes on principle. So second best applies.

VOTE: PvtUrist.

I think giving a readslist at this point in the game with this many townreads in a game like this where everyone is lurking is extremely, extremely scum indicative
and I think that his vote on bugspray was also tonally very scum indicative

I have a relatively strong scumread on Arkias.

actuallly, maybe the turkey would expand on all his reads?

i'd appreciate if you do this for yours as well, i get dizzy trying to read your chaotic iso

my man, if you missed it, thats on you

[Karnage]

those RC quotes aren't supposed to be there. THIS is why I can't multitask lol

[Karnage]

Judging your reads off the way you ordered them, it appears that you think RC is the third most townie person in the game behind Naerys and Skitter. It is also interesting that you list Skitter as your second strongest townread, yet in your notes you list Skitter as "a lot more townie than anyone else". Why is that?

I'll take look at the GB quotes in a bit but I wanted to address this first since its not accurate.

At the time of that post I had skitter and naerys as my top townies followed by lovelybird. the = and > signs show the relative ranking of the order in which I'd lynch.

RC falls in the middle for me (the 4th slot, not the 3rd). not to stroke his ego anymore but I find RC hard to read. his positioning on my list isn't to say he's town, just that I would rather lynch from the other slots before him.

[Karnage]

actuallly, maybe the turkey would expand on all his reads?

how about taking care of this before you go

[Karnage]

actuallly, maybe the turkey would expand on all his reads?

how about taking care of this before you go

sorry, I missed some of the ones you did talk about when I skipped to the GB quotes

[Karnage]

Skitter - I think is attempting to solve this game similarly to how I have seen her attempt to solve games in the past. She is probably my weakest town read, but only because reading Skitter is generally pretty difficult.

agree about skitter's play this game but it feels very much town to me

BFD - I pretty much agree with GeorgeBailey's analysis about BFD. I do not think he would be trying to attract attention to himself like he did earlier in the game.

He also appears to be scumhunting

.

you're kidding, right?

Naerys - I find the self vote to be town. Maybe I am a sucker for the drama of it all.

214 screams town to me and I agree that the self vote in that situation likely comes from town

[Karnage]

RC is listed as third from the right. The only slots more “right” than RC are Skitter and Maerys. I think we are interpreting place differently.

ummm... no he's not?

I'm pretty much caught up and I'm happy where my vote is on BigfatDonald. Like what I see from skitter and I'm pretty sure Naerys is town

BigFatDonald > Gobbledgook > BugSpray > GeorgeBailey = RC > Lovebird > skitter =Naerys

Be back later tonight to elaborate

EBWOP

gotta keep better track of who replaced who

[Karnage]

do you think maybe you're more inclined to townread people who present as one gender than the other

who are you asking?

[Karnage]

if your implying that I give a shit about what pronoun people use you can fuck right off

[Karnage]

sorry i probably over-reacted a bit

[Karnage]

Spoiler:

[Karnage]

It is also interesting that you list Skitter as your second strongest townread, yet in your notes you list Skitter as "a lot more townie than anyone else". Why is that?

Whats the point of this question?

i mean it's a good question

the way that karnage has talked about his reads has not aligned very well with what he has ended up saying his reads are

lol wut

[Karnage]

dude i cant even read your iso without getting dizzy can you put in a human readable way? ugh maybe these tinfoil glasses make it hard to read

who is this to?

[Karnage]

unvoting into self voting says hey look at me I'm just a really frustrated townie! but I can almost pick out the whispers of naerys being coached in the scum PT

i just can't see this coming from town. on top of

everything else

elaborate

[Karnage]

everything else

elaborate

[Karnage]

no stop bullying me <\3

Are you unwilling to elaborate or unable to?

[Karnage]

no stop bullying me <\3

Are you unwilling to elaborate or unable to?

I guess that's a no

this is why you frustrate the hell out of me. you play this game like the rest of us are here just to fill out the player list

[Karnage]

VOTE: Karnage

[Karnage]

man

i have other stuff that i should be doing that's more important than explaining this to you atm.

i'll explain it eventually, but not right now.

ok?

Do you think I'm cute

VOTE: RC

since you seem to prioritize shitposting over anything else

[Karnage]

actually UNVOTE:

[Karnage]

RC is listed as third from the right.

The only slots more “right” than RC are Skitter and Maerys

. I think we are interpreting place differently.

ummm... no he's not?

I'm pretty much caught up and I'm happy where my vote is on BigfatDonald. Like what I see from skitter and I'm pretty sure Naerys is town

BigFatDonald > Gobbledgook > BugSpray > GeorgeBailey =

RC

> Lovebird > skitter =Naerys

Be back later tonight to elaborate

EBWOP

gotta keep better track of who replaced who

@Turkey, care to comment on this?

[Karnage]

ark/gob is defensive/deflective
feels calculating, methodical,, null

update
townlean on gobblydook

what prompted the change?

[Karnage]

my take on bugspray
update
townread on gobblydook

how does the read on one affect the read on the other?

[Karnage]

@non imh do u have any scumreaads?

am sifting through and jotting down everyone's reads lists right now,, so not yet

update
townlean on gobblydook

scumread on karnage

scumread on bug spray

How did the scum read on me develop?

[Karnage]

my take on bugspray
update
townread on gobblydook

how does the read on one affect the read on the other?

ark was null, bug is scum,, bug on ark doesn't read as svs for me, so ark being town hinged on bug

ark/gob was "defensive/deflective" and "feels calculating, methodical". is that no longer the case or are those town indicative traits for you?

[Karnage]

@non imh do u have any scumreaads?

am sifting through and jotting down everyone's reads lists right now,, so not yet

update
townlean on gobblydook

scumread on karnage

scumread on bug spray

How did the scum read on me develop?

have you with a null read on bugspray, yet no motivation or attempts to lean on him

you commented on him, interacted twice without substance
doesn't mesh with how I wanted to see you

Here's all the posts I had between 544-566

Spoiler:

feel free to tell me how they affected your fake read
VOTE: Non imh

[Karnage]

At the end of this spoilered notes section, you list RC as the third from the right.

I think this is where I'm at after getting caught up:

BigFatDonald > Arkias > BugSpray > GeorgeBailey = PvtUrist = RC > skitter =Naerys

actually i tink pvturist is more likley to be town than RC

are you ignoring this last sentence for any particular reason? you shouldn't be since its whats reflected in my opening post

I'm pretty much caught up and I'm happy where my vote is on BigfatDonald/Gobbledygook. Like what I see from skitter and I'm pretty sure Naerys is town

BigFatDonald > Arkias > BugSpray > GeorgeBailey = RC > PvtUrist > skitter =Naerys

Be back later tonight to elaborate

[Karnage]

don't understand what you're asking for

can we lynch this slot, please?

[Karnage]

IDK what point you're trying to make. I thought he's reading older posts, between his two posts. Why freak out?

because I don't think any of his reads are genuine. from the very first read list to the most recent

[Karnage]

Ya, IDK who of gobble, bugspray or karnage is the most scum. But, I think they're all OK votes, maybe.

make a case for town!nonhim that DOESN'T boil down to "bigfatdonald was a newb" and I'll switch to either bugspray or gobble

[Karnage]

Ya, IDK who of gobble, bugspray or karnage is the most scum. But, I think they're all OK votes, maybe.

make a case for town!nonhim that DOESN'T boil down to "bigfatdonald was a newb" and I'll switch to either bugspray or gobble

this goes out to anybody that's townreading the slot

[Karnage]

yikes! wasn't expecting to come back to 7 pages to read through...

will try and catch up during work today

[Karnage]

VOTE: Gobble thats

L-1

If you think somebody is town you aren't going to vote them unless absolutely necessary at the deadline. Especially considering the vote is only done to appease RC who you'd been scumreading (I don't buy the sudden revelation that he is a townread in 760)

[Karnage]

Just wth RC and gobble? Am i the only one for whom the result that both are voting for bugspray is HIGHLY suspicious?
Atleast one of them might be scum, i´ll have to think about this...
i have FoS on both of you tho

you think the last 7 pages were staged?

[Karnage]

Well, that makes my job easier

what do you mean?

[Karnage]

Ya, IDK who of gobble, bugspray or karnage is the most scum. But, I think they're all OK votes, maybe.

make a case for town!nonhim that DOESN'T boil down to "bigfatdonald was a newb" and I'll switch to either bugspray or gobble

bringing this back out for day 2...

[Karnage]

Heya fl. I'm suspicious if your slot

I’m not too suspicious of yours, unless it comes out someone protected me last night.

why would you being protected implicate skitter?

[Karnage]

In the back of my mind i cant help but think theres some shenanigans going on. the whole discussion about the lack of NK has just felt off and some odd interactions but idk

Spoiler:

[Karnage]

I dont think fl should have encouraged the person who stopped the nk to come out carte blanche

What exactly is bothering you about this convo?

I worry that scum could be trying to out an actual PR but that doesn't make sense because if we mislynch an actual PR we would just speedlynch non and FL the next 2 days.

[Karnage]

update

rc is town

Heya fl. I'm suspicious if your slot

I’m not too suspicious of yours, unless it comes out someone protected me last night.

fine, I saved rc
VOTE: skit

this

feels

manufactured but it doesn't make sense to me as a scum tactic which is why its confusing the hell out of me

[Karnage]

Don't hammer or put to L1.

Slow your roll for a minute my feathery friend

I'm the JK - I don't know what non and FL were trying to pull off but VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[Karnage]

those are good questions...

i'm guessing bird is the tracker as I JK'd flavor leaf last night. the fact that non and FL seemed to KNOW that FL was targeted makes me thing FL was the one that was sent for the kill. so I've got my choice of non and FL.

since we are in column A scum has a RB. i know when I'm scum I like to send one guy to do both actions when possible to minimize the chances of being tracked. if thats the case here, FL is the roleblocker and should be lynched first

[Karnage]

Ok

If lovebird is the tracker why does she have a guilty on you for knowing you visited fl last night?

Also from your pov you should know fl did the kill since you targeted him and there was no nk, from your pov there is no other explanation

I feel like that post is overexplained almost

because the only "guilty" lovebird can have on me is if they tracked me? it wasn't until I saw the non/FL interaction that I knew i had blocked FL and not saved him

[Karnage]

so its easy. pick between FL and me. we lynch one or the other and the flip solves the game

[Karnage]

No my problem is if she saw you visit fl why does she think she has a guilty, and not just that she saw you're a pr .... how does she know that fl was the person nk'd (from the pov you're giving)

how about 824 where non said they "SAVED" flavor leaf??

[Karnage]

noon question, is it possible for there to be both a jk and doc in this setup?

VOTE: non imh

[Karnage]

No my problem is if she saw you visit fl why does she think she has a guilty, and not just that she saw you're a pr .... how does she know that fl was the person nk'd (from the pov you're giving)

how about 824 where non said they "SAVED" flavor leaf??

So you're saying she thinks we're in the doc/tracker setup?

right

[Karnage]

You wanna point to your soft?

post contains the word soft

I guess the answer is NO

[Karnage]

this is a fucking joke right?

[Karnage]

I actually think thats a p good soft

I don't think a player that has to ask this:

noon question, is it possible for there to be both a jk and doc in this setup?

Is coming up with THAT as a soft claim

[Karnage]

noon, noob
b mean bullshit

[Karnage]

fine,

I saved rc

VOTE: skit

Don't hammer or put to L1.

Slow your roll for a minute my feathery friend

I'm the JK

- I don't know what non and FL were trying to pull off but VOTE: Flavor Leaf

for posterity's sake, don't misspell words
softclaimed on my very first day

there is no jk in this setup

Who can tell me what's missing from this claim/counterclaim sequence?

[Karnage]

I wanna do some analysis on the other way around, but I’m like 96% sure that the team is Skitter and the JK claim after thinking about it.

Lynch JK, track Skitter, doc tracker.

If Skitter’s not scum, then they get inno’d, and that’s good too.

What happens when I flip town?

[Karnage]

Who can tell me what's missing from this claim/counterclaim sequence?

I guess I'll answer this myself since everybody is who knows where when we have a chance to solve the fucking game right now

Why isn't non voting me?

[Karnage]

@FL

you want me to make a scum case against non? I've been scumreading that slot from the time I subbed into the game. So if you want to know why I've scum read that you could actually go back and read the game.

My goal was not to outright counterclaim non until I absolutely had to but lovebird tracking me forced my hand. you've got it all figured out for my slot flipping scum but what's the plan for when I flip town? if you're not non's partner you need ready for that.

p-edit: wut

[Karnage]

Sorry i was busy.
oh wonderful, we have another doctor.
And since

i am confused i need to re-read all this stuff again.

you and me both

[Karnage]

VOTE: Non

Although, this is scum. I am actually the Doctor who saved RC.

Lol, what

Can you do a full claim so we can sort through this mess?

[Karnage]

thank you))
so either Non saved rc, karnage saved rc, or fd saved rc
2 among these are lying, meaning the bird is telling the truth?
meaning karnage is scum confirmed?
yay

regardless of how today ends, I don't see town not winning this game VOTE: karscum[/scum]

How does that confirm me as scum exactly?

[Karnage]

where did you go? surely you can explain why i'm confirmed scum

[Karnage]

where did you go? surely you can explain why you're confirmed town

lol, i'm sorry, I was giving you more time to actually answer the question since what you posted most definitely did not

[Karnage]

It does confirm you as scum from his perspective.

no shit, from "his perspective" I should have been confirmed scum from the moment i claimed though.

[Karnage]

point of it all was that lovebird never said she was tracker,,

Spoiler:

[Karnage]

There's scum in karnage/non

Spoiler:

[Karnage]

it boils down to one of us needs to be lynched but its not confirmation of alignment for either of us

[Karnage]

lets just fucking do this. everybody pick a side: me or non; first to 5 votes wins

[Karnage]

what's she going to tell you that I haven't already?

[Karnage]

To be fair, Lovebird did know Kragen targeted me, so

VOTE: Karnage

And I also never denied it but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Karnage]

"outing" your scum partner would be saying "hey everybody, player B and I are the scum team". that would be against the rules

potentially exposing your partner through poor play, which would be the case here, is not the same thing

[Karnage]

karnage anything else you'd like to say

Spoiler:

[Karnage]

Karnage visited RC. But, I feel like he's town.

Okay so we have either tracker+jk or tracker+doc setup...
If Karnage is jk than rc/Flavor Leaf is scum

would not be safer to lynch Flavor than Karnage?

My claim directly counters non’s so it has to be a decision between us two

[Karnage]

@Fdse, I guess we can shave our mustaches now

[Karnage]

town played really well, congrats to you guys

[Karnage]

Well I was 1 and 1!
Fdse, why also claim PR after 3 people claimed?

it wasn't intentional. He didn't see my claim when he CC'd. All you students and your finals are making it hard for you to focus on my mafia games lol

[Karnage]

If anybody is eager to play again, newbie 1972 needs a replacement...