Newbie 1967 | GAME OVER

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Well, that makes my job easier

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Heya fl. I'm suspicious if your slot

I’m not too suspicious of yours, unless it comes out someone protected me last night.

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I’m of the scenario that if you have a potential to have stopped a kill, say it, don’t spray it

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Well, that makes my job easier

what do you mean?

When you nod your head yes, but you really mean no

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Why.

You get 2 confirmed townies out of it.

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2 confirmed townies, leaves 5 players left, 2 of which would be scum.

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Yay, I’m town

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It does raise your scum equity, Skitter.

You’re not the only one who would kill this slot in that scenario, but ScumYou definitely does kill the slot, especially if you see that I’m replacing into it.

I’d say you’re about neutral right now

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If there’s a Tracker in this game, then the Jailkeeper is scum, which makes more sense anyways.

Mafia, after a no kill happened, essentially knows that a doctor saved me. If they have a role cop, then they know that the setup is Doctor/Tracker.

Jailkeeper claim sets themselves up to pivot to Jailkeeper/Tracker setup in the first column, and that’s only if a tracker came out, which they probably didn’t want to have to deal with just yet anyways. That’s fine.

I think we’re in the Doctor/Tracker setup, which means there’s a rolecop, which means, Tracker should just claim, we lynch the JK, and then the tracker gets protected by the doctor.

Tracker effectively gets free Inno’s bar a no kill, which just stalls the game anyways, and we can solve through POE.

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I wanna do some analysis on the other way around, but I’m like 96% sure that the team is Skitter and the JK claim after thinking about it.

Lynch JK, track Skitter, doc tracker.

If Skitter’s not scum, then they get inno’d, and that’s good too.

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I wanna do some analysis on the other way around, but I’m like 96% sure that the team is Skitter and the JK claim after thinking about it.

Lynch JK, track Skitter, doc tracker.

If Skitter’s not scum, then they get inno’d, and that’s good too.

What happens when I flip town?

This is why I’m not voting you or anything right now.

I haven’t been able to read the early game, so I wanna do that before I make any further decisions.

If you’re town, then the doc is scum.

I’m currently thinking about this in terms of slots rather than players, if that makes sense, as I technically haven’t read much, but I’m gathering the base surface before digging deeper.

If you’re actually a JK, then Doctor is scum, and we have a tracker...or Friendly Neighbor...? I believe

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Or a VT.

Damn.

Okay, so scum know the column we’re in.

I think we mass claim here.

Scum already know exactly what setup we’re in.

And a doctor/jk is claimed. The second PR, if they exist, are safe.

I’m obviously VT.

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If the jk is scum, scum know we have a doctor and a cop or a doctor and a tracker.

If the doc is scum, scum know we have a JK/tracker, JK/FN, or just a JK.

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I don’t feel like Nom knows setup analysis well enough to claim doctor there, so if he did, it’s coming from someone who can.

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Which would probably mean we’re in JK/Tracker setup if that were the case

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Oh ya lol.

OK, I have a guilty on Karnage.
VOTE: Karnage

Don't hammer or put to L1.

Slow your roll for a minute my feathery friend

I'm the JK - I don't know what non and FL were trying to pull off but VOTE: Flavor Leaf

those are good questions...

i'm guessing bird is the tracker as I JK'd flavor leaf last night. the fact that non and FL seemed to KNOW that FL was targeted makes me thing FL was the one that was sent for the kill. so I've got my choice of non and FL.

since we are in column A scum has a RB. i know when I'm scum I like to send one guy to do both actions when possible to minimize the chances of being tracked. if thats the case here, FL is the roleblocker and should be lynched first

With this series of posting, why is Karnage the one you are leaning town on?

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update

rc is town

fine, I saved rc
VOTE: skit

noon question, is it possible for there to be both a jk and doc in this setup?

for posterity's sake, don't misspell words
softclaimed on my very first day
there is no jk in this setup

This adds up. I believe Non is Doctor. They basically claimed it in their first post this day phase, and I don’t think that they do that as scum who just had a kill blocked. From their posts and questioning, I don’t see ScumNon straight up asking for a 1v1 here when the alternative is to just not say anything regarding it.

Also, a tracker claim did come out on Karnage, and that had Karnage claim, which proves that our Tracker is 100% legit.

This is a direct 1v1 between Karnage and Non.

The play here is to lynch Karnage.

If Karnage flips red, Non, you are 100% on the tracker. You can’t be blocked because we’d be in the rolecop scenario.

Tracker - you target Skitter. Skitter will be forced to make a kill or no kill if scum, and if she’s town, a kill will clear her. A No kill will either mean Skitter was being setup to take a fall or she no kills to make it seem like she’s being setup. We can eventually POE the game out from this

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noon question, is it possible for there to be both a jk and doc in this setup?

This is not scum.

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Karnage is actually doing a really good job at pointing out flaws in Non’s posting, however, his downfall is that’s exactly what he’s doing.

Karnage isn’t scum casing Non, he’s pointing out the misplays in Non’s play, the stuff he should be doing as town, but isn’t. He’s making a lynch case rather than a scum case. This is why I’m much more likely to believe Non over Karnage.

Non
Lovebird

Skitter
George
Naerys
Fdse

Karnage

Middle tier isn’t ordered, top tier is even.

I actually think I might be able to split up the middle tier more.

Fdse
Naerys
Skitter
George

Yeah, that’s the order I’d put them in. Least likely to most likely the partner for Karnage.

My gut’s telling me Skitter’s town here, and I think I’m right to follow that, but paranoia has me still.

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Also, there’s no scum advantage to Non claiming to have saved me.

Just so you guys know, I have won 10 scum games in the year of 2019. I think a lot of it is due to my ability to actively force 1v1’s and interact with players. I don’t believe I’m interacting with players here moreso than just putting a puzzle together, hopefully you can see that.

This being said, if I were scum as Karnage is trying to push, that necessitates Non and I as the hypothetical scum team having Non claim doctor over me.

That just gives up 2 scum members which don’t make no snence.

It’s Karnage, and one of George, Naerys, Skitter

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Also, lovebird claimed before Karnage.

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Well, there’s a townie lying somewhere here...

HOWEVER!!!!

I am confirmed town based on 3 people claiming to have targeted

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@FL

you want me to make a scum case against non? I've been scumreading that slot from the time I subbed into the game. So if you want to know why I've scum read that you could actually go back and read the game.

My goal was not to outright counterclaim non until I absolutely had to but lovebird tracking me forced my hand. you've got it all figured out for my slot flipping scum but what's the plan for when I flip town? if you're not non's partner you need ready for that.

p-edit: wut

Well, the plan was for Non to die if you flip town, and our tracker to get inno/guilty and go from there, which I think is fair, but I have to take out my handy dandy notebook now and think. Think. Think.

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Oh, he backtracked it.

Damn, idk if that’s townie or Scummie.


Non choosing to go Karnage over Fdse is something, but strangely I still think Non is town...

Karnage, I understand I may be misreading you, which is why I’m not jumping to votes right now.

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thank you))
so either Non saved rc, karnage saved rc, or fd saved rc
2 among these are lying, meaning the bird is telling the truth?
meaning karnage is scum confirmed?
yay

regardless of how today ends, I don't see town not winning this game VOTE: karscum[/scum]

How does that confirm me as scum exactly?

It does confirm you as scum from his perspective.

Whether he’s pushing a fake perspective because he is scum is the thing, which if you are town, you should know.

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Nom has a couple posts I didn’t like last page, but I think he’s just NewTown.

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I’m also leaning Fdse legit thinking they were doctor as vanilla.

Karnage-George
Karnage-Naerys.
If Karnage flips town, then Nom is scum with George or Skitter.

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It does confirm you as scum from his perspective.

no shit, from "his perspective" I should have been confirmed scum from the moment i claimed though.

Which is actually more of a reason I believe you to be scum over him.

I’ve seen newTown do that quite a lot, more often than newScum.

It happens a lot in face to face, and I abuse that fact when I am scum against new players.

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In face to face^ because it’s a good teaching mechanic. I don’t care as much if I lose in face to face either because games are so quick

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Skitter, I know how they work. I am an alt of someone else. If you really wanted to, I am certain you could figure out who I am by reverse-engineering my posting style a little bit and when I am active; however, I trust that you wouldn't.

So what ... you submitted to the mod the name of the person you would have protected as the doc?

Ooo...

Maybe it is Karnage-FDSE.

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Yeah, he specifically said that he protected RC too

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There is some potential that we are in the JK/Vanilla setup, and Nom knows this thus knowing Lovebird isn’t a tracker, which also sets up Lovebird-Nom team to potentially sweep, but that’s a tinfoil, and I don’t think it makes sense for Nom to shed doubt on it there.

That being said, it also can raise scum equity for Nom as a partner who knows its JK/Vanilla and Lovebird is town.

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No, we’re waiting for Lovebird before.

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To be fair, Lovebird did know Kragen targeted me, so

VOTE: Karnage

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I guess I become conf town on the red flip

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They would have had to rolecop Karnage for that to have worked, and if they’re both scum, that means we have a JK/Vanilla setup, thus meaning they couldn’t have role copped.

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You know, I think Non is scum.

Karnage flip proves that anyways regardless.

We need you to full claim it.

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It’s better to lynch the jk for the chance of doctoring the tracker

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Karnage is CCing you my friend. Both of your claims cannot exist together.

He is saying Karnage is conf scum in his post prior, this is an irrelevant post.

Noted

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Ooooo....fdse be hatcheting Nom for Karnage possibly there.

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So if karnage is town then scum is exactly nom / fl, right?

Whereas if non is town, fl is town too?

No, because I’m town, so if Karnage is town, that doesn’t change anything.

If Nom is scum, they knew who they killed, so it was safe to say they protected me.
But I could see the ulterior reasons for you bring it up so I’ll shut up

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So if karnage is town then scum is exactly nom / fl, right?

Whereas if non is town, fl is town too?

Also, skitter, this is a hard deep wolf comment with setup play to end game if you are scum here

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Fuck, it’s Nom and Skitter, and I get mislynched if that’s the team

Karnage flips town, Nom lynch flips scum, flavor lynch flips town, lylo lynch Skitter 100% of the time. She will persuade you hard not to, but if this scenario happens, which is large tinfoil theory, but if this happens, this is the path.

You’ll have my flip in this scenario, so yeah. Use this late in game.

I’m still gonna go Karnage is scum here, however, I am starting to believe that he isn’t, which makes Fdse scummier again because of political positioning, maybe Naerys. I don’t think it’s ever both.

I also can potentially see Nom lying about being doctor as town, which is what I’m covering the bases for now.

If the off chance of Nom vs Karnage is TvT.

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Yikes, again sorry for the prod. Should have called a V/LA cause projects are a bit crazy right now.
I guess there's 4 PR claims right now, and some counter the claims of others.

As non said, if Karnage flips green, then we can just vote him out tomorrow.

VOTE: Karnage

L-2 right now.

@FL is there a reason for someone to lie and claim a PR as town?

Not in this situation, and generally there really isn’t.

It can save actual PR’s, but the requires people to be able to know what you’re doing too.

@Nom - I can read past that surface level way of interactions with people if you’re scum, don’t worry.

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Yeah, I understand the dynamics. I’ve just said everything I possibly can on that, so I’m going outliers.

I generally do think you’re town.

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Karnage visited RC. But, I feel like he's town.

Okay so we have either tracker+jk or tracker+doc setup...
If Karnage is jk than rc/Flavor Leaf is scum

would not be safer to lynch Flavor than Karnage?

Reaching for a lot of straws here. Jailkeeper protects too, and Skitter said it herself, she kills that slot like 99% of the time, but other slots also kill my slot their too.

I feel like our slot had definitely the highest probability of being the night kill. Obviously I have confirmation of this being true based on me knowing for a fact, bar the off chance of a No Kill gambit, that I was shot at last night.

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non today has been a lot worse.

How so?

And we're making a bet anyways. If Non is lying it would be complete suicide.

Townie and genuine post. Thank you, George. I needed something like this.

This post lowers chances of Karnage/George for me because it is defending Non, and if lowers Non/George because Non lying is complete suicide, which means after Non would flip scum, this is a really weird defense as S/S.

George is likely town.

Fdse/Nearys/Skitter is the second scum out of Karnage/Non.

I’m cooling off of Nearys a little bit, because if she’s scum, then her posts just seem kind of pointless and blatantly scummy, but there’s not real motivation for her to say the things she is saying except at major face value scum levels, and generally, especially newer scum players, don’t say stuff at face value.

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Why are we voting Karnage?

Tbh, I thought Donald was towny but I could be misreading the newbie. And, non today has been a lot worse.

I actually kinda agree with this, ngl

This is also some really Pennywise shit right now.

I’m 100% getting night killed by you tonight.

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My hesitation with that Skitter scum push, is that I have seen her similarly as town, so I definitely can’t say that kind of stuff seriously. I think it’s natural for me to have some paranoia with the slot.

Skitter isn’t gonna be scum read when she is scum, so that’s something I think about when trying to read Skitter.

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If the team is Karnage/Skitter, their optimal plan is to get Non lynched today, then kill me in the night because no doctor.

Which is why I think we’re on the right track. I feel Karnage would have been lynched by now if they were town.

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Karnage visited RC. But, I feel like he's town.

Okay so we have either tracker+jk or tracker+doc setup...
If Karnage is jk than rc/Flavor Leaf is scum

would not be safer to lynch Flavor than Karnage?

This is so blatantly scummy and has no actual purpose, I’m kinda tone town reading this. They’re just that off at reading me here.

I’m pretty happy with a Karnage/Skitter solve here, tbh...

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I literally said i town read it

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Hammer Karnage.

That’s a fair point about Karnage being dead by now if you were scum with them

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Lovebird, What’s your result?

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Skitter's a towny.

Woot woot

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So it’s likely George or FDSE.

Nearys is townie to me.

Love is probably the kill tonight or else it’s actually gg.

Essentially it comes down to if Nearys is scum or not.

Fdse made a weird play yesterday in regards to the claiming, which is my pause on going him, but either way, we just go FDSE today, the. George if that doesn’t win us the game, and we should be fine. Naerys being scum messes with this, but i think I’m comfortable with them being town.

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I also think it’s more likely that scum was on the Karnage wagon than off, so Naerys also has town points for that.

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VOTE: BigFatDonald because no avatar.

Hey who wants to me my romantic partner for this thread? We can do stuff like post *kiss* and other cute stuff in the thread. I'm pan so anyone can qualify

We just met I'm really not ready to have that sort of commitment yet.

this was the Karnage slot talking to the fdse slot.

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why should i be voted for for having no avatar I dont know how to change it

Top left: User Control Panel > Profile > Edit Avatar


VOTE: Sera Masumi for being chinese cartoon

However George’s initial vote was on Karnage slot. Their first post.

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Yikes, again sorry for the prod. Should have called a V/LA cause projects are a bit crazy right now.
I guess there's 4 PR claims right now, and some counter the claims of others.

As non said, if Karnage flips green, then we can just vote him out tomorrow.

VOTE: Karnage

L-2 right now.

@FL is there a reason for someone to lie and claim a PR as town?

This actually was pretty townie, and looking through George’s ISO, i don’t see anything really pushing a scum agenda.

VOTE: FDSE

I’m locked in for the day.

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Spoiler:

RN i am inclined to believe Karnage tbh, and Non is suspicious.

Well,i can see some possibilities of scum teams -

Karnage+Fdse (i´ll have kinda hard time believing that bugspray was doc, its just...weird)
Karnage+ Non Imh - perhaps this is bit overthinking tho - idk if scum would stage this
Non Imh + flavor leaf
flavor leaf + fdse

Karnage+Flavor leaf is very unlikely, but that would be kinda dangerous combination imho xD

I consider skitter and Lovebird townies
and GeorgeBailey idk...bit unreadable to me

Karnage visited RC. But, I feel like he's town.

Okay so we have either tracker+jk or tracker+doc setup...
If Karnage is jk than rc/Flavor Leaf is scum

would not be safer to lynch Flavor than Karnage?

Karnage visited RC. But, I feel like he's town.

Okay so we have either tracker+jk or tracker+doc setup...
If Karnage is jk than rc/Flavor Leaf is scum

would not be safer to lynch Flavor than Karnage?

This is so blatantly scummy and has no actual purpose, I’m kinda tone town reading this. They’re just that off at reading me here.

I’m pretty happy with a Karnage/Skitter solve here, tbh...

i was just asking question, but you are free to ly nch me next day, i dont care

I struggle to see a lot of these coming from scum over townie. It feels like they genu8nely thought they should lynch me over Karnage, however their posts do benefit Karnage-naerys scum team. Tomorrow we really would have to buckle down and go over it.

Confirmed town Skitter and Confirmed town FL in a 4p mylo should be fun if we get there.

Fdse today for sure, though.

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non today has been a lot worse.

How so?

And we're making a bet anyways. If Non is lying it would be complete suicide.

non today has been a lot worse.

How so?

And we're making a bet anyways. If Non is lying it would be complete suicide.

Townie and genuine post. Thank you, George. I needed something like this.

This post lowers chances of Karnage/George for me because it is defending Non, and if lowers Non/George because Non lying is complete suicide, which means after Non would flip scum, this is a really weird defense as S/S.

George is likely town.

Fdse/Nearys/Skitter is the second scum out of Karnage/Non.

I’m cooling off of Nearys a little bit, because if she’s scum, then her posts just seem kind of pointless and blatantly scummy, but there’s not real motivation for her to say the things she is saying except at major face value scum levels, and generally, especially newer scum players, don’t say stuff at face value.

I’m back to thinking George is towniest of the 3

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Ooooo....fdse be hatcheting Nom for Karnage possibly there.

And it made sense with fdse hatcheting. I think we just win here

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Yikes, again sorry for the prod. Should have called a V/LA cause projects are a bit crazy right now.
I guess there's 4 PR claims right now, and some counter the claims of others.

As non said, if Karnage flips green, then we can just vote him out tomorrow.

VOTE: Karnage

L-2 right now.

@FL is there a reason for someone to lie and claim a PR as town?

This vote also doesn’t make much sense coming from scum because there was current discussion about Non being scum, and this kind of threw the gamestate over the edge and helped get the Karnage lynch. Fdse joining next is EXTREMELY damning.

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Nah. You forfeiting?

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Like you’re scum, dude.

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Woot woot, good work, guys!

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Oh wow. You both had mustaches. I half wish you won with them now