Mini Normal 2109 | Newbie Quotes II: Newb Boogaloo (Day 3)

[Wake1]

I'm here.

Will be settling in soon.

[Wake1]

First things first,

I hate Day 1

. It's the worst part of the game for me and I struggle during it. It's part of my current meta to hang back during Day 1, and then really start engaging during Day 2 and on. Day 1 I've got nothing concrete to work with, so I observe more than post during it. Typically people react as you might expect, shrieking that yours truly is Scum because if it. I'm not, and soon my wiki will reflect this. I also am up on nights, so will rarely be active during Day hours.

[Wake1]

19, 20, and 20 all vote vote SausasaurusRex. While this doesn't seem like us, to lynch someone is 7. Those 3 votes got to about 1/2 the lynching point. I don't trust those 3 people (rb, eth0s, & Dolly Parton (Dolly Python))

24 calls the wagon out. While I don't think it would've actually lynch SausasaurusRex, if Rex wasn't Mafia aligned (Since we don't have a FUCKEN ROLELIST) then I would definitely suspect any additional votes on the wagon. I wish we could've seen any additional votes, and decrease the PoE to a few people.

33 is weird. Why would Wake88 want to waste such a wondrous day? (Hey, that alliterated!) I think that this is a suspicious post here, and I'll pay attention to Wake88 more.

I'll just put it here, but Kcdaspot hasn't put much content up to 44. I hope to see content from you later.

Invisible votes me for inactivity, but doesn't seem to respond much to 46. Why?

Kcdaspot comes out with 52. No explanation, just "eth0s is town." This might be TMI, but so blatant and so..

something

... that it went mainly un-noticed.
Rex does notice it and responds in 54.
Kcdaspot replies in 57 with "Interaction with alim".
Then the subject is dropped. WTF? You don't explain what exactly with the interaction spewed them as town. That post is really weird. I don't like Kcdaspot here.

63 seems to be a light push against me for voting invisible. This seems like TMI, while WKIng Invisi.

69 says that my vote is bad because reasons that they don't explain. I repeat, they don't explain their reason. While it might be "I know I'm town, so it's a bad vote" that is LAMIST thinking.
72 is when he says that he's trying to forward the game. Is my vote not forwarding the game? Hm.

96 is a vote on me from eth0s. They didn't explain it, they just said that they liked the wagon.
99 is also a vote on me from Kcdaspot. At least they explained it.

101 This post is contradictory. "First, we have time. Second, we don't have time but we have analysis." Why not just use that analysis to.. analyze other players to find the scum instead of lynching a suspected scum? I don't understand your logic here.
116 is just a "We have time post." Well which is it?

122 seems like TMI.
123 is more TMI.
124 calls out the TMI bullshit that was 122&123
125 denies 124 calling out their bullshit.

Overall, my reads are:

Town

Jake
Alimdia
SausasaurusRex
rb (NULL)
Arkias
Lil Uzi Vert
Rabid Schnauzer (NULL)
Dolly Parton
Joey_
Wake88
Invisibility
Kcdaspot
eth0s

Scum

You should work to keep it to the point.

If you're Scum walls of post will not save you.

[Wake1]

I'm a mason with wake..

Please unvote.

Like Hell you are.

[Wake1]

i wonder how long scum on this site will keep making "joke" claims and not being lynched for it

i wonder how long town will keep doing it and thinking that it actually has any point and that it's not just an egregiously fucking moronic thing to do because of the fluff it generates at best and the misinformation it spreads at worst

scum are informed, town are not. spreading disinformation harms both, but the faction with a better base level of information deals with this harm better. it's anti-town regardless.

i want this player out of the game for 2 reasons:

1. they're likely scum anyway
2. if not, they're garbage at the game anyway

the perfect day1 lynch candidate

This kind of confidence Day 1 in lynching someone over something as trite as a failed fake Mason claim raises my eyebrow a bit.

[Wake1]

Look at all of these ethics police we have around here.

Scum is jumping at the bit for "fake claims" (that lasted all of 3 posts might I add and got us an obvtown out of it)

Perhaps Obvtown to you, but my refutation doesn't make me Obvtown. Not in the slightest.

[Wake1]

Dolly, rb, Alimdia, do you also feel that Jake's post comes off as Try-Hard Scum?

126

[Wake1]

You are blowing it way out of proportions, you getting stuck on me at this stage for this will only make this game no fun for you.

Move past it. If you think I'm scum then vote me.

33

Et tu, Dolly?

[Wake1]

So my read right now are:

Town:
Wake
rb

Scum:
invis


The rest will be sorted as we progress.

That changed quickly.

[Wake1]

Btw Kcda do you think this wagon is too easy?

VOTE: jake the wolfie

You seem more eager to vote in this game.

I certainly hope you're not Scum this round.

[Wake1]

I'll be posting soon. Working currently. (Night nurse.)

[Wake1]

Please don't hammer anyone yet. I'm still combing through the game thread and writing up a Reads List.

[Wake1]

Guys, please NO hammering yet. I'm still typing up my Reads List.

[Wake1]

alimdia

Please tell me again why you're voting Invisibility in 171. 203: Do you think rb could be Scum and is tunneling Dolly? I agree with the first half of 208, but I'd like you to guess as to why I don't agree with your second half of it. On 218 I think we should talk more about you thinking Dolly should be Townread regarding rb's behavior. I like that you also caught that in 257; want to join me in pressuring this? Not sure I like your 331... Also, why did you join on Jake's wagon in 341? I too would like to see Invisibility expand on 380.

Arkias

You seem eager to find a reason in 254 to join the Invisibility wagon. I like 402 because I agree with all of it. 443: It can be whatever; don't let people tell you how to play the game. Could you please briefly explain your gut-vote in 455?

Billy Pilgrim

491: Regarding Dolly, Invisibility, and Jake, who would you vote if you had to, and why? I think the better reason to vote Dolly would be 442, Billy, if she doesn't explain herself.

Dolly Parton

Not particularly liking your 151. For the record meta-wise, I never do Mason claims. Although I am still curious why you would target me for that claim. 184: In no way does that make me ObvTown, and I don't think it's reasonable for Town-You to really have that notion this early in the game. I agree with 199. You know, for someone being Scumread for a fake Mason claim, you appear eager to vote Invisibility for a perceived Scumslip (228). 231: I don't like this. 414: What? I REALLY don't like 442, and I could hammer you right now for it but I want an explanation from you on this. Please explain 514. 515: Noted. Somehow I'm not convinced by 523. I don't like the "reasoning" behind 556. I need you to thoroughly respond to 558 please.

eth0s

I don't like your vote in 96 because to me it feels opportunistic. Do you currently support Jake's lynch? Regarding 421, how are you reading him currently? On 433 I don't think he's had a completed Scum-game yet, so we don't know alimdia's Scum-meta. 434: Alimdia should not be above scrutiny, and Uzi has done barely anything this game.

Invisibility

Not liking your 122. Sarcasm rarely translates well on text. I agree with 277; a joke Mason claim does not a Scum make. Please tell me more your reasoning behind 379. I like 440. 454: A good question, and not a fair thing to really ask, especially during Day 1.

Jake The Wolfie

Please tell me again how Invisibility was quicklynching you in 95. I do however like your response to eth0s in 98. Only Scum self-votes to help themselves, so as Town you should never do that in 102. 111: Are you new to Mafia? I agree with 244. I also agree with 269. I can't agree with 405. I agree there hasn't been much from that slot wrt 411. I agree with 533, in that Dolly does appear to be doing a lot of shade-throwing.

Joey_

Please elaborate on 224. 225: That presumes you assume he is Town, which is knowledge you should not be having if you are Town. You should make it not a secret regarding 509, Joey.

Lil Uzi Vert

OK, I do not like 264, because you are way too quick to join the wagon: I want to know why

you

are voting Dolly. I can agree with 450.

I need to hear more from you, Uzi.

rb

I'm not that convinced it was a slip, rb (142). I wouldn't mind seeing Rex pressured more. So confident you seem in 147. I'm liking the latter half of 156. Unsure the reason for the Dolly vote in 161 but I'm assuming it was a reaction test. I find your overconfidence in 180 disturbing: you know Town is not informed, so if you're uninformed confidence is not something you should have (especially during the early part of Day 1). 181: Obviously if they were to flip Scum you would deal with the consequences. I don't recall getting a reaction from you regarding my 185. 196 seems completely unnecessary. In regards to 213, alimdia shouldn't be Townreading Dolly for that. 221: I'm still not convince Invisibility Scum-slipped, although I've been wrong before. I like that you picked up on that in 272. Regarding 289 I still think pressuring Rex is a good idea.

SausasaurusRex

How well do you fare under pressure as Scum? Your vote on Dolly regarding the fakeclaim is, to me, opportunistic. In 179 you meant fake-claim, not counter-claim, correct...? OK, you corrected yourself. I need you to be very specific regarding why you switched your vote from Dolly to Invisibility in 347. I agree with 382. 503: Good question. Not sure how to read 564.

tris

I agree with 315. I don't agree at all with 349, however. Are you saying in 351 it does or doesn't? I think we should hear more from eth0s in general wrt 381. I can't agree with you on 383: sometimes it's way too difficult to sort players, especially early on. 394 I do agree with.

Spoiler: Base Template

alimdia

Arkias

Billy Pilgrim

Dolly Parton

eth0s

Invisibility

Jake The Wolfie

Joey_

Lil Uzi Vert

rb

SausasaurusRex

tris

[Wake1]

yeah im not reading that

if i have to follow a link and a link and another link in a post just to make it make sense, im not convinced the writer of the post is trying to be understood and will assume they're just doing busy work to look good without doing anything actually useful

i don't particularly care to lynch wake at this point

i also don't particularly care if he is lynched

Ah, so you're Scum or lazy Town.

I dislike people like that. They ask for reads and thoughts, you spend your time on it, and then some people have to be assholes and say they aren't even going to read it. Not cool.

[Wake1]

I'm in bed now.

I will have thoughts tonight when I wake up. I would ask that since we still have time that no quickhammering happens. I would like everyone to respond to my post. I guess what I called a Reads List would actually be considered an Analysis-Engagement post. If it's a Reads List you want I can boil it down to a simple list with the A-E list to back up every read. Basically, I'm evolving my Town strategy.

[Wake1]

1) VOTE: Dolly Parton

2) Do not bitch to me about Reads Lists. They're not part of my meta and I will not be pressured into it. Besides, I'm not going to waste time on a Reads List just to have it scoffed at like my A-E post. Fuck that. You're not going to waste my time like that.

3) If this bothers you, bring it Day 2, and I will show you how

I

play this game.

[Wake1]

sigh

please don't hammer this before I post again.

I'm starting to think we shouldn't hammer it at all. I'll elaborate on that and much more when I'm on next.

@ethos can you expand on that

Sounds like you're trying hard to use this.

[Wake1]

sigh

please don't hammer this before I post again.

I'm starting to think we shouldn't hammer it at all. I'll elaborate on that and much more when I'm on next.

@ethos can you expand on that

Sounds like you're trying hard to use this.

How so?

Sounds like he's trying to reach for my lynch over hammering Dolly by trying to focus on eth0s and see if he'll react in anger over my hammer.

Also, I think we have a Vig.

[Wake1]

sigh

please don't hammer this before I post again.

I'm starting to think we shouldn't hammer it at all. I'll elaborate on that and much more when I'm on next.

@ethos can you expand on that

Isnt eth0s dead?

Oh wait, shit, he is lol.

[Wake1]

sigh

please don't hammer this before I post again.

I'm starting to think we shouldn't hammer it at all. I'll elaborate on that and much more when I'm on next.

@ethos can you expand on that

Sounds like you're trying hard to use this.

How so?

Also, this is an impossible pov to have. You awknowledge a vig (aka you noticed a 2nd night kill) yet you failed to notice who got killed? what town not give a fuck about who get killed at night?

Sounds like he's trying to reach for my lynch over hammering Dolly by trying to focus on eth0s and see if he'll react in anger over my hammer.

Also, I think we have a Vig.

sigh

please don't hammer this before I post again.

I'm starting to think we shouldn't hammer it at all. I'll elaborate on that and much more when I'm on next.

@ethos can you expand on that

Isnt eth0s dead?

Oh wait, shit, he is lol.

We both thought he was still alive, lol.

[Wake1]

#689 EBODP

Also, this is an impossible pov to have. You awknowledge a vig (aka you noticed a 2nd night kill) yet you failed to notice who got killed? what town not give a fuck about who get killed at night?

I mean, at times as Town don't really care.

Other times I forget. Can't discuss ongoing games but this has happened before.

[Wake1]

sigh

please don't hammer this before I post again.

I'm starting to think we shouldn't hammer it at all. I'll elaborate on that and much more when I'm on next.

@ethos can you expand on that

sigh

please don't hammer this before I post again.

I'm starting to think we shouldn't hammer it at all. I'll elaborate on that and much more when I'm on next.

@ethos can you expand on that

Sounds like you're trying hard to use this.

How so?

Sounds like he's trying to reach for my lynch over hammering Dolly by trying to focus on eth0s and see if he'll react in anger over my hammer.

Also, I think we have a Vig.

i am sorry for 13th post in a row but you asumed i was asking ethos to expand on that line of the quoted post
"please don't hammer this before I post again'' and you attributed me intentions of lynching you, somehow reading that as "trying hard to read for your lynch" lmao

Yet you completely discarded the 2nd line of ethos post "I'm starting to think we shouldn't hammer it at all. I'll elaborate on that and much more when I'm on next".
IF you read my post about jake's twilight content or w/e, you wouldn've realized it was the exact same kind of post; both slot promised some kind of content but they never got around to it, which is why i asked both to 'develop/expand' their ideas.

Its just so weird that you would assume i asked ethos to expand on the quickhammer line instead of the line about content

What I'm about to say presumes eth0s was still alive, which he isn't currently.

I thought you were trying to use my hammer on Dolly to make me look like Scum, by appealing to eth0s who might be angry at me because I hammered Dolly without him coming back. I figured that looked like Scum being opportunistic and trying to appeal to eth0s to try and vote me for hammering Dolly.

However eth0s is dead, so that changes things a bit.

[Wake1]

yes but only one of us noticed a 2nd night kill

And?

I'm aware of it now, and it tells me there's probably a Vig in this game.

[Wake1]

And as far as I am concerned, you are the first one to bring up the hammer as being something that you could be pushed on, which shows that you are very aware your hammer sucked ass lol

Well, to be fair, Dolly kind of sucked ass.

I'm starting to change my Town-meta in this regard (starting to not hammer) because hindsight is 20/20 and Scum almost always tries to go after me for hammering.

[Wake1]

You could probably write a novel out of a nutrition label with that kind of imagination

Well, God did bless me with creativity.

problme is; how can you notice a 2nd kill w/o knowing who got killed ?? thats just ew

Because I saw two green names but scrolled kind of quickly.

I mean, it happens. We are human after all.

[Wake1]

And as far as I am concerned, you are the first one to bring up the hammer as being something that you could be pushed on, which shows that you are very aware your hammer sucked ass lol

Well, to be fair, Dolly kind of sucked ass.

I'm starting to change my Town-meta in this regard (starting to not hammer) because hindsight is 20/20 and Scum almost always tries to go after me for hammering.

if only town made a good 2-3 posts explains why Dolly had a town pov.. wait

Eh, I mainly just wanted Day 1 to end and I was getting annoyed.

However, I can now start digging into this game.

explaining* man im tired af and i just typo like crazy

See?

I can't focus, and you can't write.

[Wake1]

I mean, in a vacuum, your hammer is close to a scumclaim and entering the day with a narrative all made up + pluggin that narrative VERY hard on anything that COULDVE came your way is exactly how i would assume an average/common scum player to plan their day

Why though? As Town sometimes I quickhammer. I recognize some don't see it as a very Town-ish move, but that doesn't really make one Scum either.

What I do know is that Scum usually tries really hard to lynch me whenever I hammer early on in the game. I can't go into detail because ongoing games. There is one completed game but I don't know if it would apply here. When you have experience with Scum trying to lynch you because you hammered Day 1, it can (and in my case does) change my meta a bit.

[Wake1]

You could probably write a novel out of a nutrition label with that kind of imagination

Well, God did bless me with creativity.

problme is; how can you notice a 2nd kill w/o knowing who got killed ?? thats just ew

Because I saw two green names but scrolled kind of quickly.

I mean, it happens. We are human after all.

Thats basically my point, why wouldn't you give two fuck about who flipped? I assume you would at least check the roles if you noticed 2 set of green names, then why wouldn't bother reading the names ?? idk, its not a closed setup nor a full VT setup when flips does not matter

I mean, we don't all play the same. And missing that detail doesn't automatically make one Scum. If it did then me and everyone else with ADHD would be screwed in Mafia games. Point is, I am aware of who and what now, and I don't really see how me initially missing that detail makes me Scum or Town for that matter. For example Scum could have perfectly noticed it, but would that then make them Town? To be frank I don't think so.

[Wake1]

It has nothing about meta, it has everything about the pre-made narrative you tried to stitch over my post, which is a "fair" thought process to have, it's just absurd how you reacted

I wouldn't call it absurd.

Paranoid of Scum trying to mislynch me because I hammer? Yup.

[Wake1]

FTR, my last game, mafia quickhammered d1 town who I called town and was hard defending. Someone asked the town to not hammer yet because they wanted claims/reads and scum did hammer before the hammeree could even show up (like in a 6h window). And i pushed that slot, which ended up only being lynched as last mefia on lylo yet they did scumclaim with that hammer

This scenario is pretty similar in many ways, but somehow I am not as convinced its coming from mefia. So you can be certain If i wanted to push you for it, i would

While I can understand that, this is a different game with different people.

IMO, seeing a 2nd flip most likely care in a greater order about the color of the flips rather than anything else related; role, names.

The scenario where someone notice 2 flips yet fails to see the names IMO is a scenario where someone notices 2 flips and is somehow satisfied with that limited amount of information. It's hard for me to picture a town pov where a townie would be satisfied in having the alignement flip info, the roles but not the names.

Should I flip before you and you realize I am Town, how would that then change your worldview, if at all?

[Wake1]

Also the names are important for a townie because they have genuine reads and not all flips are equals. I care a greater deal if a locktown is being night killed over someone i was unsure about. Thats why town cares about names and scum cares in a lesser manner

Well, I do care. When the flips happened I was just waking up (I work and am awake during the night) and wasn't all there. Believe it or not, these things do happen.

I'm awake now, and properly caffeinated, so am keen to look over Day 1 posts very soon.

[Wake1]

Also i dont want to sounds like a pedantic douchebags, but this post has no sound logic in any of the sentences, its all non-sense full of fallacies

"I mean, we don't all play the same. And missing that detail doesn't automatically make one Scum. If it did then me and everyone else with ADHD would be screwed in Mafia games. Point is, I am aware of who and what now, and I don't really see how me initially missing that detail makes me Scum or Town for that matter. For example Scum could have perfectly noticed it, but would that then make them Town? To be frank I don't think so."

OK Spock.

[Wake1]

Should I flip before you

Do you fos me wake?

Not currently. I can't tell one way or another what you are right now.

[Wake1]

I am pretty much alignement telling since the start of the day

How so?

[Wake1]

V/LA until 12/18/19.

[Wake1]

I'll be looking over this game tonight.

Wrapping up my 6th straight 12-hour night shift in a row in 3 hours.

[Wake1]

I don’t like that Wake is posting elsewhere right now though so I think I’ll have to compromise.

For one, don't talk about my on-going games.

For two, I'm now going to catch up on this game.

[Wake1]

I vaguely remember being in this game.

I should probably replace-out, but then again that's not very nice to the game mods.

[Wake1]

If you think I'm Scum, go ahead and hammer.

If your mind is already set that I'm Scum for whatever and you're not interested in listening then you deserve this mislynch.

[Wake1]

I'm working a lot, and there's so much content it'd take hours to catch up.

I can engage and try to play more, but I can't do the whole start at the beginning catch-up post. I don't want to spend a ton of time catching up just to have it wasted.