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why so eager for a murder??In post 44, Kcdaspot wrote:But seriously though somebody needs to dayvig somebody- Joey_
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fucking lmao, you twist my words more than my mother in lawIn post 64, Kcdaspot wrote:Joey be acting like he wants to extend day one artificially
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Why would you vote for someone who hasn't posted? its a trick q btwIn post 32, Dolly Parton wrote:
Aight den.In post 30, SausasaurusRex wrote:
Town. It doesn’t matter to make this known, because the scum know everyone’s alignments anyway, unless there’s a third party in this game.In post 28, Dolly Parton wrote:
Well tell us... Is you a newbie scummy or a newbie towny? You're answer is always 100% right or wrong here... Choose wisely.In post 27, SausasaurusRex wrote:I ... didn’t expect this reaction. This is my first non-newbie game, and the first time I’ve participated in RVS. I was under the assumption you can bite anyone, and nothing is taken seriously in this stage. It appears I was wrong.
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I'll believe you for now.
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moving on
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Same q to you, why would you vote someone who hasn't posted?
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why would you answer if it doesn't matterIn post 30, SausasaurusRex wrote:
Town. It doesn’t matter to make this known, because the scum know everyone’s alignments anyway, unless there’s a third party in this game.In post 28, Dolly Parton wrote:
Well tell us... Is you a newbie scummy or a newbie towny? You're answer is always 100% right or wrong here... Choose wisely.In post 27, SausasaurusRex wrote:I ... didn’t expect this reaction. This is my first non-newbie game, and the first time I’ve participated in RVS. I was under the assumption you can bite anyone, and nothing is taken seriously in this stage. It appears I was wrong.
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I reread seriously, I really don't think jake is mefia, the "cases" are pretty unsubstantial
The monkey has probably the worst content at face value; he shades half the table at every opportunity, incoherent (misreps), hypocritical (calls ppl out for lack of content irrc, produces nothing of value) and overall thinks he's a cool kid while he's not. The only thing going for them is that they're actually being consistent in having bad content, which means it could be better explained by personality than alignement.
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thats a disgusting read and goes against your whole slip thought process and basically whatever you are doing rn still vote thereIn post 202, alimdia wrote:I'm inclined to think that invis vs jake is actually SvS. That's pretty rare I must say, but it seems like some light bussing gone wrong.- Joey_
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VOTE: ark selflessly promoting a counter wagon
I think dolly towntold with her rxn to wake's refusal to accept the claim offer. She even bringed the fact that she gained an obv town read out of it again a page or so after, which means she most likely said the truth
I think the inv slip thing is ridiculous, i am also an avid slip reader and if anything, sausa much more likely slipd than inv ever did this game since town has no reasons whatsoever to think about counter-claims D1 in a closed setup, its not an available thought to town. And guess what, still too weak of a slip for me to lynch solely onSpoiler:- Joey_
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only two games i saw you were pretty obviousIn post 234, rb wrote:
you'd be surprised at the range of my playIn post 224, Joey_ wrote:Also, boy your scum games must suffer because you are playing like an open book- Joey_
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I was refering toIn post 239, rb wrote:and no i don't have any recollection of you as a player joey so i don't think we've played together recently
It was weird because It's something i have been told in my last 2 games on site, i assumed you used an alt and was thereIn post 154, rb wrote:the only reliable read on joey is that he's capable of identifying things that aren't logically consistent
this isn't an alignment tell, it's a player tell
if you're analytical, you're analytical and you can ask pertinent questions and be brazen about it as either alignment
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i have been posting after work so I am tired and it's harder for me to articulate my ideasIn post 257, alimdia wrote:
I have 0 idea what you just said. Can you rewordIn post 226, Joey_ wrote:
thats a disgusting read and goes against your whole slip thought process and basically whatever you are doing rn still vote thereIn post 202, alimdia wrote:I'm inclined to think that invis vs jake is actually SvS. That's pretty rare I must say, but it seems like some light bussing gone wrong.
hm....In post 225, Joey_ wrote:rb you should calm down a bit, honestly you are keeping scum from posting
The premise of your slip is that inv knew before hand that jake was town, so its a TMI SvsT slip. You can't push the slip wagon while calling both mafia, that was my point- Joey_
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saus has been giving me vibes of open wolfing troll veteran or a genuine new player who flipped town but is being extremely self-conscious (trait I historically associate much more w/ scum than town)In post 289, rb wrote:at this point i can't read saus apart from "i am hugely worried about how i'm perceived" but they seem to think that's what the game is actually about for both alignments
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lol what was buddying in any of my postIn post 304, Kcdaspot wrote:Also the hyper buddy from Joey- Joey_
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oh well, to be fair, in the last 48 hours post-vote I worked about 35 hours of those & i didn't really get what i wanted out of the voteIn post 335, alimdia wrote:I'm TRing Joey_.
Just ISO him, it speaks for itself.
But I don't really agree with your counterwagon. Did you see my post 258?
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this post existing just proves that the inv wagon is pretty terrible.In post 339, alimdia wrote:PEDIT: My Joey post was not in response to you asking me to join the wagon btw.
Since we cleared up that SvS and slip issue, I'm honestly not sure about my invis read to begin with.
You claimed a slip, at least a few 2-3 slots took it at face value and voted with you. Then you went against your read with another read (SvsS), got called out on the incoherence and then you are second-guessing. Thats read progression and a transparent thought process
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Like, this is the perfect exemple to show my point in my last post. Its an overly justifying and posturizing post with no actual content where he sheeps a read he doesn't have. Saus even takes the time to explain a read on 3-4 slots, yet the most important part of his post should've been where he places his vote. All he does about that is claim that the slip is "worth following through" and that Inv is basically is not playing in an agreeable wayIn post 347, SausasaurusRex wrote:
I think Jake the Wolfie is town. I know some people disagree, but he’s playing very similar to the last game I had with him when he was town. I know meta arguments aren’t great, but I think if you’ll look at newbie game 1966 you’ll see what I mean.In post 325, rb wrote:In post 319, SausasaurusRex wrote:
It would make sense for you to perceive it as scum. If you look back at my previous games, you’ll see I’ve only ever played scum before, never town, so I apologise if my priorities are slightly wrong.In post 295, Joey_ wrote:
saus has been giving me vibes of open wolfing troll veteran or a genuine new player who flipped town but is being extremely self-conscious (trait I historically associate much more w/ scum than town)In post 289, rb wrote:at this point i can't read saus apart from "i am hugely worried about how i'm perceived" but they seem to think that's what the game is actually about for both alignments
don't know how to interpret it
alright, so does anyone in this game jump out as you as being likely scummy or towny saus?
I don’t like the look of Dolly. Even if the mason claim was a joke, it wasn’t a good one, and only served to make people suspicious of her. Not a good play for scum or town. This alone isn’t good enough for a lynch in further consideration, however. UNVOTE: Dolly Parton
Kcdaspot isn’t great either. He frequently says things without justifying them (see 146, 52 (which is followed by the vague 57) and 290 (why exactly is it null? Can we have an explanation?) for examples). However, this isn’t scum-indicative by itself.
I think Invisible’s slip is worth following through. Invisible also doesn’t seem to try to make himself look townish to other players either. He mocks Kcdaspot’s style of writing in 123. However, like Kcdaspot (and Dolly), he fails to provide reasoning for some of his posts.
I think that currently, the best thing to do is to follow through with Invisible’s slip and lynch him, though this could change later depending on what happens.
VOTE: Invisible
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Over-justifying is a thing, it's often seen when people are self-conscious about their stances (posturizing) so they feel compelled to explain themselves as if they are very aware their stance is questionnable, its a common s traitIn post 368, SausasaurusRex wrote: Firstly, I would like to say that nothing is ever “over-justifiable”. An argument for why you think something is always better than not having one. To say mafia, a game about convincing people to lynch scum, can have opportunities to over-justify, is to say that mafia is a game about guessing, rather than logic. If an argument can be expressed logically, an intelligent person will agree. By not justifying an argument, you give no reason for anyone to agree. Therefore, it is always better to explain an argument.
In answer to your question, I would say it is simply because of the slip. Nobody else appears more scummy than that slip to me, and since you should vote who you think is most scummy (unless you have ulterior motives) I voted him.
In addition, my vote is not just a vote, but a statement. It tells Invisible that there are people who suspect him, which is good for neither town or mafia. By voting him, I ensure that he will provide a reason for why he is town. We can then judge his reason to see if it makes sense or not, and then work from there. If he has a good reason, or someone else is seeming more scummy, my vote will change. However, his reason may contradict his earlier statements, or be a scumtell or a slip, which can prove that he is scum, or at least worthy of a D1 lynch.
This is why I voted Invisible, and will continue to do so until he changes my opinion or someone else seems more scummy.
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i mean light poe, as trying to find mafia while using weak/gut reads on the rest of the town, it's nothing substantial but it's pretty accurateIn post 391, tris wrote:
do you mean light fos? poe meas process of elimination.In post 364, Joey_ wrote:And I did see your 258, the whole point of a light poe is exactly that.. it's a light read based on light tells- Joey_
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Thats circular logic, you can't say you believe in your vote because you voted themIn post 392, SausasaurusRex wrote:
I don’t quite understand what you mean. Why would I vote for it if I didn’t believe it was the best choice?In post 390, tris wrote:
you don't seem to really believe in this lynch.In post 347, SausasaurusRex wrote:
I think Jake the Wolfie is town. I know some people disagree, but he’s playing very similar to the last game I had with him when he was town. I know meta arguments aren’t great, but I think if you’ll look at newbie game 1966 you’ll see what I mean.In post 325, rb wrote:In post 319, SausasaurusRex wrote:
It would make sense for you to perceive it as scum. If you look back at my previous games, you’ll see I’ve only ever played scum before, never town, so I apologise if my priorities are slightly wrong.In post 295, Joey_ wrote:
saus has been giving me vibes of open wolfing troll veteran or a genuine new player who flipped town but is being extremely self-conscious (trait I historically associate much more w/ scum than town)In post 289, rb wrote:at this point i can't read saus apart from "i am hugely worried about how i'm perceived" but they seem to think that's what the game is actually about for both alignments
don't know how to interpret it
alright, so does anyone in this game jump out as you as being likely scummy or towny saus?
I don’t like the look of Dolly. Even if the mason claim was a joke, it wasn’t a good one, and only served to make people suspicious of her. Not a good play for scum or town. This alone isn’t good enough for a lynch in further consideration, however. UNVOTE: Dolly Parton
Kcdaspot isn’t great either. He frequently says things without justifying them (see 146, 52 (which is followed by the vague 57) and 290 (why exactly is it null? Can we have an explanation?) for examples). However, this isn’t scum-indicative by itself.
I think Invisible’s slip is worth following through. Invisible also doesn’t seem to try to make himself look townish to other players either. He mocks Kcdaspot’s style of writing in 123. However, like Kcdaspot (and Dolly), he fails to provide reasoning for some of his posts.
I think that currently, the best thing to do is to follow through with Invisible’s slip and lynch him, though this could change later depending on what happens.
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Why can't you see any of jake and inv as mefia?In post 402, Arkias wrote:Well, I think Tris is town. RB is probably town too.
Between the Jake and Invis thing I mentioned earlier, I can't really see either of them being scum.
So, for now,
VOTE: unvote
I'm going to give the thread another read and try to get some analysis going on.
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Of course it's not exactly what you said, but it's what your answer heavily implies, basically dodging the questionIn post 445, SausasaurusRex wrote:This isn’t what I said. I voted Invisible because of the slip, not because I believe in the lynch. I believe in the lynch because I voted her. The original vote stems not from believing in the lynch, but from the scumminess of the slip.
Your were told "you don't seem to really believe in this lynch".
I am not tris, but I am going to assume that she's saying that the way you use the slip argument to justify your vote, seems ungenuine as if you didn't believe it yourself. Btw I shared that feeling when i said you were voting for a read you didn't have yourself.
You answered "Why would I vote for it if I didn’t believe it was the best choice?". You can rephrase your answer as "I believe it's the best choice of a lynch because I am voting him"
Basically, you are deflecting the whole point about you using the slip to push a vote, twice over considering I already asked you to explain the slip and you dodged it.
You have a bad habit of not answering questions
I will ask for a third time
Can you explain me what is inv's slip and what is the "scumminess of the slip"?- Joey_
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In post 402, Arkias wrote:Well, I think Tris is town. RB is probably town too.
Between the Jake and Invis thing I mentioned earlier, I can't really see either of them being scum.
So, for now,
VOTE: unvote
I'm going to give the thread another read and try to get some analysis going on.
Also, I like that pirate gif. It reminds me of Monkey Island.In post 403, Joey_ wrote:
Why can't you see any of jake and inv as mefia?In post 402, Arkias wrote:Well, I think Tris is town. RB is probably town too.
Between the Jake and Invis thing I mentioned earlier, I can't really see either of them being scum.
So, for now,
VOTE: unvote
I'm going to give the thread another read and try to get some analysis going on.
Also, I like that pirate gif. It reminds me of Monkey Island.
Ark has done nothing of value since the start of the game, after my vote she posted a single post (254) with what looks like game content, but it's pretty darn shallow. There's no unique thought process or reads that comes from a genuine town pov or what not.In post 443, Arkias wrote:I need to ask moving forward,
is the accepted meta doing posts per thing you're responding too, or doing big wall texts? Historically, I've done wall texts, but it also gives me an incredibly low post count -- but reading Ethos/Dolly/Tris doing it, makes me wonder if I'm playing this wrong?
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Then she posted (443), outing 4 reads and not a single piece of informations about why. This is not inherently AI but it just shows that there's no transparent thought process she could be read on.
Then she claims"I'm going to give the thread another read and try to get some analysis going on."and that's obviously a fucking lie because 443 is pure garbage with not an ounce of value. I also asked a question (403) which she didn't aknowledge at all. If she really was trying to reread the game and has some "analysis going on" she most likely would've seen my question and remembered to answer it.
This looks much more like she caught the classic scumitis, where people dislike playing as scum and just afk/deflect qs/lies about making content. The slot is just extremely fucking scummy- Joey_
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@ark, great post and basically what I was waiting for, so thank you for that
@saus good post too, i think you overestimated how transparent you think you were being by voting inv, it def looked like you didn't even had a clue about what was the slip even about, which is why i pressed and kept asking the same question. As i said earlier, i think your default style is a common tell I use to find mefias but it's probably just how you play- Joey_
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And Dolly’s whole rxn around the push on her is also textbook town, because what she saw out of the ordeal was a town gain; irrc she didn’t shade people fosing her for it, she didn’t show scum agenda, she just said “lol why would
I do this as mefia??” And “at least i got an ez tr”.
Thats hardly scum agenda. The mason claim attempt was also stupidly fast and arguably too fast to be efficient/believable as a fake claim, so it was probably more a meme town impulsive reaction than a scum trying to score t cred or wifom- Joey_
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Alim Imo is transparent town, she feel compelled to basically answers anything in thread she disagrees with, thats a ridiculously reliable town tell, also she lowkey town sliped early on when she mentionned the numbers of players and what not. Easily fakeable slip but scum tends to fake other kinds of slips. Tris also shared that read with me while catching up. Alim answers are also pretty above average from and consistently so- Joey_
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Nothing? Town also has shit readsIn post 498, Invisibility wrote:In post 495, Joey_ wrote:Alim Imo is transparent town, she feel compelled to basically answers anything in thread she disagrees with, thats a ridiculously reliable town tell, also she lowkey town sliped early on when she mentionned the numbers of players and what not. Easily fakeable slip but scum tends to fake other kinds of slips. Tris also shared that read with me while catching up. Alim answers are also pretty above average from and consistently so
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thats a disgusting read and goes against your whole slip thought process and basically whatever you are doing rn still vote thereIn post 202, alimdia wrote:I'm inclined to think that invis vs jake is actually SvS. That's pretty rare I must say, but it seems like some light bussing gone wrong.- Joey_
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@billy; good post, i see what you mean and the inconsistence in the rationale and i can be wrong on dolly. Tho, i really thinks that her rxn is slipping a town pov. Townreading someone for refusing to lie implies that she knew before-hand that the claim itself was scummy. She probably was even curious if wake would lie with her or nah, idk & might’ve been ready herself to call out wake if he agreed on the lie. Imo its so naive and seems like town to me
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secretIn post 503, SausasaurusRex wrote:Could you explain this vote? What exactly makes you think Wake is scum?
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