Mini Normal 2109 | Newbie Quotes II: Newb Boogaloo (Day 3)

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Yeet

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I'm saying you voting Jake was opportunistic because you could have voted Lil Uzi Vert for the same reason.
So either you didn't see that Lil also didn't post or you wanted to put another vote on Jake.

fry

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Vizzy Jake both feel town

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Lie detector is NOT a normal role.

Scum claim #3

You're right, I'm a Disloyal Doctor.

How does that work? Wouldn’t you only be able to use your ability on mafia?

Speaking of ~slips~

[ofrhz]

Lie detector is NOT a normal role.

Scum claim #3

You're right, I'm a Disloyal Doctor.

How does that work? Wouldn’t you only be able to use your ability on mafia?

Speaking of ~slips~

Actually kind of surprised no one pointed this out considering the first 15 pages of this game were just people focusing on slipSLIPslipSLIPslipSLIPslipSLIPs

[ofrhz]

Damnit Dolly, if you're town, you broke this game. I do not understand why the fuck you think it was town motivated to set these ridiculous conditions and then badger people over them. You got evidence of this working even once? You said that scum cant resist, you got any proof of that or just your dogged insistence that that's the case?

@Wake - in response to your wall, what the actual fuck was the purpose of your question? You asked me about 491 amd said if I had to choose just one to vote between Dolly, invis, and Jake, who would it be? Well I chose one. And that was 15 posts later at 504. So seriously, what was the purpose of that question? And you said nothing else. I want that read list since you said you were working on it.

@Alim - I didnt devote alot of time to talking about you because my read of your slot is mostly null. Its null-town and I was scumreading Sausa so when I was commenting on Jake's readslist I didnt want to communicate that I was scumreading you. I get why it may have confused you, but that was my thought process.

Scummy tone

[ofrhz]

I like joey and his push on wake in spite of the former’s inability to spell “mafia”

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VOTE: sauce Rex

Walk me through what you were thinking when you posted 576

[ofrhz]

Invisibility

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zzz I just skimmed sauce’s last two mafia games, and I think he has already demonstrated greater depth of reasoning here than in either of those two games

VOTE: billy

[ofrhz]

Still would like my question answered though

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zzz I just skimmed sauce’s last two mafia games, and I think he has already demonstrated greater depth of reasoning here than in either of those two games

VOTE: billy

so are you saying sauce is scummy, but you're voting billy?

No, I think Sauce sounds smarter here than he did in his last two mafia games. It makes him more likely town compared to my initial read on him

I wouldn’t call it a strong townread. Let’s see what he says

[ofrhz]

Do you have an opinion on Billy, Ali?

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Damnit Dolly, if you're town, you broke this game. I do not understand why the fuck you think it was town motivated to set these ridiculous conditions and then badger people over them. You got evidence of this working even once? You said that scum cant resist, you got any proof of that or just your dogged insistence that that's the case?

This is an overreaction to what dolly did. It feels fake

Also billy was voting for dolly and presumably had her as a scumread of some strength

Why would you get mad at someone’s gameplay if they’re a scumread who was doing dumb things and getting voted?

@Wake - in response to your wall, what the actual fuck was the purpose of your question? You asked me about 491 amd said if I had to choose just one to vote between Dolly, invis, and Jake, who would it be? Well I chose one. And that was 15 posts later at 504. So seriously, what was the purpose of that question? And you said nothing else. I want that read list since you said you were working on it

I feel like this was weirdly aggressive.

I’ve played with billy before - i think this kind of tone is out of character.

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generally Billy’s posts are pretty towny when he’s town. He has a sort of scumhunting energy that really shines through his posts that I’m not seeing here.

I found his original reasons for voting dolly kind of weak as well.

[ofrhz]

Can you scumcase Jake without pointing to “noise” like the self vote out of frustration and joke fake claiming?

I find it hard to believe a new scum player would approach the game in his manner

And underneath the noise, I think he’s trying to gamesolve

[ofrhz]

Its really annoying that decent slot gets voted left and right by scummy slots and no one bats an eye

You talking about the votes on Billy?

[ofrhz]

Everybody should vote the next time they check in

My puny brain can’t keep track of your top scumreads without votes

[ofrhz]

I dont think it was an overreaction. I think she completely destroyed the gamestate by trying to force a duel with Jake. I also dont see why my case against her was weak. It was wrong, clearly, but I dont think I was way off for finding those things indicative.

Feels like you were listing things that are NAI or weak reasons to scumread someone, but not considering everything else they were doing that can be construed as towny

The read didn’t feel holistic, which I know you’re capable of doing

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It was her early day play that made me think she was scummy. Her later day play made me not want to play with her. I think the early day play should have raised some alarms. Hopping on that mod vote after two other people when she didnt mention it as the first poster afterwards.

Also, I get weirded out when people talk about my ability to form reads in a positive light. I got you killed when i was the conf!town. Was i considering your play holistically there? Yeah, i read Neza as town based on his reaction to being almost hammered. I didnt see Dolly's reaction in the same light because she was aggro while it was happening. Neza seemed resigned. The tone was different. So I didnt do the hard flip like inhad with Neza in that game.

I’m not saying your results need to be always correct, but the reads should be nuanced

[ofrhz]

I am taking billy’s slot to lylo with me. If anyone has qualms about any either my slot or his, speak now c:

I do

[ofrhz]

I am taking billy’s slot to lylo with me. If anyone has qualms about any either my slot or his, speak now c:

I do

Then speak up, irrc you said his tone was scummy, how so?

@alim will most likely join you

797

Did you get around to reading some of his games

[ofrhz]

I read. If you disliked Billy going at Dolly for her duel thingy, what do you think of my post with about the same opinion?

Dolly you are fucking up the game and its a disservice for town

In light of Billy's s and t games, i am putting my read on hold. I think the points your brought up in 797 are fine

I don’t think your reactions are similar

Ethos kinda did the same thing you did (and even wanted to PL dolly at some point before changing his mind) - you both townread dolly and were annoyed with their play. This makes sense since you essentially had to deal with this townie who was making the game difficult and likely getting mislynched for doing annoying things

Billy was scumreading dolly though, so the anger looks more fake

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Adorbs - why did you vote Vizzy over Billy?

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Do you guys believe in the power of ellitell

Wake has been posting elsewhere VOTE: wake

[ofrhz]

Oh wait he’s v/la

I’m down to go back to billy and can be coaxed to do LUV I guess

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Adorbs - why did you vote Vizzy over Billy?

My list I made is towniest to scummiest. I voted Vizzy because he is on the bottom of my list.

What’s wrong with sheeping? I think it’s better to sheep townreads if you have no strong scumreads than to not vote at all and having your vote be wasted.

I saw that you also think billy is playing his scum meta. Can you go into that? Would you be interested in building a billy wagon?

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Sauce, what are your scum and townreads? Do you still townread wake? If so, why and what do you think about the wagon on him

[ofrhz]

Is there a particular player you think I got my read on wrong like for example do you think one of the players I'm leaning town you're leaning scum on?

I’m also low key curious why you responded to sauce but not Joey saying basically the same thing about your read list

[ofrhz]

cos meta is unreliable from personal experience. 2nd hand meta more so. I'm busy af and don't have time to go read someone else's game at this time. And no, I'm not gonna take anyones word that someone is town/scum based on X meta, even if I TR them heavily. Have an actual case please.

You can just ignore the meta element. Billy is scum because:

- bad/fake sounding tone
- weak reads
- little influence on the game

[ofrhz]

VOTE: LUV

Out of your lynchpool, I’m down to try this since wake is vla

[ofrhz]

Not Voting (5) - SausasaurusRex, Wake88, Jake The Wolfie, Billy Pilgrim, Lil Uzi Vert

Can everyone here distill their reads the next time they check in?

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@Adorable, if my scum meta is asking questions, providing thoughts and voting my scum reads, did you look at my town meta? Is it any different than that?

Wait actually I don’t know how I missed jigglypuff’s post the first time around but

Asking questions, providing thoughts, voting scumreads are all things people do as town??? Even if those are things billy did in his last scum game, it probably comes from him emulating his town meta rather than it being scum indicative

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^ that was at adorable, i messed up the quote

[ofrhz]

I did not like Billy's response to me. If he took the time to look at my read list he should know why I scum read his slot. I've pretty much said what Billy's play looked like when I played a game with scum Billy. My scum read on his slot was mostly how his predecessor played I did not like how it played.

VOTE: Billy Pilgrim

Billy said he would reread the game and if he reread the game, he would have seen the reason why I scum read his slot by looking at my read list. His vote on me looked like I scum read his slot for asking questions, providing thoughts, and voting players he scum reads when that is not the reason why I am scum reading him for. I have been scum reading both Invisibility and Billy on day 2.

Scum/KcdBilly - Most of Kcd's posts were fluff and he votes Jake for defending himself and that is not a good vote reason. He town reads and scum reads players without explaining why they are town or scum.

I recently finished a game with scum Billy and the posting looks similar to his scum game.

The bolded makes it seem like you’re at least partially scumreading billy for meta reasons

[ofrhz]

Town-leaning:
Wake, Alimdia, Jake, Ofrhz.
Null:
Lil Uzi Vert, Adorable, Billy Pilgrim
Scum-leaning:
Invisible, Joey

I had written a detailed post, but mafiascum decided to delete 30 minutes worth of work. If you would like any more information on any of these reads, just ask.

Why do you townread wake and alim?

[ofrhz]

Invisibility keeps switching his votes around to different players and I don't see this townie and he doesn't give good reasoning to his votes. On day 1 he votes Jake, switches his vote to Luv, Jake scum reads Invisibility and votes him and then Invisibility votes Jake back. Later when the argument on the Jake and Invisibility stopped, Invisibility votes Alimdia. On day 2 he votes Billy, switches his vote to Wake, and then switches to me. Invisibility has been all over the place. During my catch up I saw Billy's vote on Dolly mentioning her posts but I did not look into Dolly's post during my catch up when Billy mentioned them. When I looked at Dolly's posts Billy mentioned about his vote, it didn't look good and those were the posts he mentioned that looked like it was still rvs at the time. I'll quote Dolly's posts and first I need to find them and it will take a while.

I feel pretty good about calling invisibility town. His thoughts have been very natural and unfiltered

His vote jumping on day 2 makes sense to me. He was sheeping his townreads when he voted billy and wake. Sheeping isn’t scummy- in fact, it’s townier than not voting at all

I think his vote on you makes a lot of sense given his posts around the time. This case basically boils down to “invisibility doesn’t write a lot of words,” which is true but isn’t scummy. I haven’t had trouble following his thought process

[ofrhz]

VOTE: wake

I can get down with this wagon

[ofrhz]

Sauce, you never talked about your townread on wake

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Honestly the overconfidence usually pings me from town since the only people that should be that confident about alignments are scum. So I'm finding it interesting that this is the first time I'm being scumread for my lack of confidence when i have frequently scumread folks for overconfidence.

I don’t think anyone is really scumreading you for lack of confidence

[ofrhz]

8-3 is mylo

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Errr 5-3 i mean

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This game doesn’t really take off if people only post once every 46 hours

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Wake replacement WHERE

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I don’t like that Wake is posting elsewhere right now though so I think I’ll have to compromise.

His hammer yesterday was also pretty bad

He asked people to hold off on hammering because there was still a lot of time in the day

Only to hammer in his next post 24 hrs later

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Adorable why did you unvote a few pages back?

[ofrhz]

Sauce, you never talked about your townread on wake

After his recent posting since my read list, and another reread, I no longer townread him.
In fact:
VOTE: Wake88

If anyone wants more explanation for this just ask, but I think it’s pretty clear.

I understand your read being stale

But I’m still curious why you townread him in the first place

[ofrhz]

A/e?

[ofrhz]

If you think I'm Scum, go ahead and hammer.

If your mind is already set that I'm Scum for whatever and you're not interested in listening then you deserve this mislynch.

What are we supposed to be listening to? You haven’t posted anything lately

You’ve been v/la which is fine but I don’t know what your reads are or if you’ve even caught up at all

[ofrhz]

GG