Mini Normal 2109 | Newbie Quotes II: Newb Boogaloo (Day 3)

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Hi, time to read up.

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falalalal

I don't like alim's vote

lolwagons suck

lalalalaaaaa~~~

what's wrong with it? you gonna vote him?

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I don't like alim's vote

lolwagons suck

lalalalaaaaa~~~

Two votes is hardly a wagon. Alim’s vote is fine.

would there be something wrong with it if it were a wagon?

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I like rb and ethos's votes on rex

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kcda, do you hate wagons?

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is rex playing up newbishness on purpose or is it real?

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First things first,

I hate Day 1

. It's the worst part of the game for me and I struggle during it. It's part of my current meta to hang back during Day 1, and then really start engaging during Day 2 and on. Day 1 I've got nothing concrete to work with, so I observe more than post during it. Typically people react as you might expect, shrieking that yours truly is Scum because if it. I'm not, and soon my wiki will reflect this. I also am up on nights, so will rarely be active during Day hours.

No free passes around here:

VOTE: Wake88

This is a bad vote.

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Interaction with alim

I think i agree that ethos is town (at least i have a slight townread there), but not for that reason. how his interaction there town indicative?

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VOTE: jake
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Opportunistic jump on the jake wagon me thinks.

how on earth is that opportunistic?

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VOTE: jake
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Opportunistic jump on the jake wagon me thinks.

how on earth is that opportunistic?

Read on before you post ffs. People correct themselves later all the time. You are doing nobody any favors by doing catchup style posts like this

it's helpful for me. feel free to ignore obsoleted comments.

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Pahahaha. No. We not lynching invis

He has 7 posts to your 2. And you're calling him out

Hahahhahahahaha

At the time, that was their only post. It just goes to show that between their vote on me and my first post, they called me out for something that they themselves were doing. It seems too opportunistic to me.

of course, not knowing what comes later, I will point out that jake is echoing alimdia here with the opportunistic line.

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going to bed now. i've read through page 4.

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I think I counted 4 or 5, but I also thought it was 9P for some reason, I'm in too many games atm

This might be a townslip. i think mafia would be more aware of how many players there are

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i'm liking rb where i'm at (up to 156)

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we can always just lynch him

but i also think you should provide something better than sheeping me on invisibility while simultaneously doing the current easiest and most obvious thing in the game: talking about jake being annoying/playing poorly

But isn't that where we are at right now?

Top 2 current items:

Jake's scumminess vs. Invis's slip

jake being annoying/playing poorly != jake scum

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I'm a mason with wake..

Please unvote.

Like Hell you are.

ok. i was pretty sure this was going to be the case.

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wake, confirm/deny?

investigative roles target these 2 if both claim mason

Do you really think I would risk such a claim as scum with 1 vote on the border of RVS/real voting?

what's the risk when people are going to find it to be false soon anyway?

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I'm a mason with wake..

Please unvote.

Like Hell you are.

Well, I think this def puts wake as obvtown.

why is scum more likely to go along with the claim?

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the dolly mason claim feels like a distraction from actually having to defend herself.

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I saw it as a joke claim since there was barely any votes on Dolly???

Fresh legs don't get bogged down as easy.

See, even a "newer" player gets it. rb is grasping for straws.

what does this mean?

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Either that or he was eager af to get get off of that invis wagon...

Note to self.

but, that was a wagon it had just started.

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i don't like the reasons in 180

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also note: you can't pocket someone as town

you can only pocket someone as scum

ez slips

that's obviously not a slip. i can see for invisibility, but not this.

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Dolly, rb, Alimdia, do you also feel that Jake's post comes off as Try-Hard Scum?

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I'm gonna be honest its really hard to read cos I gotta keep going back and forth.

Its really fluffy as well.
He mentions me calling out Invis's 'slip' but then puts eth0s at the most scummy.

Something that might make sense is Kcdaspot and eth0s power-wolf'ing/mafia'ing but he didn't even mention that.

I'm inclined to think that invis vs jake is actually SvS. That's pretty rare I must say, but it seems like some light bussing gone wrong.

what makes you think he might be town and not scum?

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oh look another time where scum do dumb shit and a bunch of town decide, "nah scum wouldn't do something scummy" and then don't lynch the scum

entirely too many times imo

it's not "too scummy to be scummy". it's just that claiming mason that is easily going to be contradicted isn't inherently scummy. now, the context of when she did it does seem a little scummy to me.

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Ongoing games is not referring to you nor Dolly.
I said TvT or SvT because I was thinking invis vs jake is SvS, and there should be just 3 scum in 13 people?

do you think SvS is unlikely even without the context of thinking invis and jake are scum?

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it's when you do something to make another player townread you

as scum?


I thought pocketing was pocketing someone's vote LOL

Anyway, can we talk about invis vs jake instead? That has more substance than your dolly case.

i mean, town don't just do things to try and get that specific player to try and townread them

yeah they do

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VOTE: ark selflessly promoting a counter wagon

I think dolly towntold with her rxn to wake's refusal to accept the claim offer. She even bringed the fact that she gained an obv town read out of it again a page or so after, which means she most likely said the truth

I think the inv slip thing is ridiculous, i am also an avid slip reader and if anything, sausa much more likely slipd than inv ever did this game since town has no reasons whatsoever to think about counter-claims D1 in a closed setup, its not an available thought to town. And guess what, still too weak of a slip for me to lynch solely on

Spoiler:

A joke claim is just a bad excuse for when you can’t think of a way to justify what was said. It’s never a good idea to counter-claim.

EBWOP never a good idea to joke claim. I diidn’t mean counter-claim.

i don't get this vote

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Dolly, rb, Alimdia, do you also feel that Jake's post comes off as Try-Hard Scum?

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Damned if I make content, Damned if I don't. Would you rather want me to not produce content and get mislynched?

you should preferably try to find the scum and not worry so much about how people are reading you. the content you make shouldn't be primarily dependent on how it will affect people's reads on you.

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Also, let's not quicklynch Invisible, thanks. Or Dolly Python.

didn't you scumread invisibility?

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I don't see Invis 'slip' as a slip to a lean either way. It might be from just gaming usually, but to me it felt more like a turn of phase about how dumb some tendencies are?

And the dolly ship makes no sense to me, but even RB, the person instigating it sees invis as the bigger one. So, out of three evil's, one of which I'm pretty sure isn't evil.
VOTE: Invis

why do you have to vote one of those three? you say you don't see invis as having slipped but then you vote him????

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i mean

i get having scumreads

considering the game solved tho?

wut

It's just my thoughts. I'm not that cocky to think I can solve a game a few pages in. All of the linking stuff still needs flips to substantiate.
I will agree though, I am more focused on looking at individually scummy people now, but I also don't want to forget connections after some flips later on.

but you were using the fact that you scumread invis and jake as a reason to say that rb vs dolly isn't SvS. that wasn't even really connections. it was more poe. which is far from focusing on individually scummy people.

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hi.

kcda's posts can be a little hard to parse sometimes. like i'm having a hard time processing 286

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at this point i can't read saus apart from "i am hugely worried about how i'm perceived" but they seem to think that's what the game is actually about for both alignments

don't know how to interpret it

saus has been giving me vibes of open wolfing troll veteran or a genuine new player who flipped town but is being extremely self-conscious (trait I historically associate much more w/ scum than town)

or newer scum who thinks he can get away with hiding behind his newbishness.

apparently ethos has experience with him. i would like to hear more from ethos about him.

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at this point i can't read saus apart from "i am hugely worried about how i'm perceived" but they seem to think that's what the game is actually about for both alignments

don't know how to interpret it

Do you really think it wise to give that much attention to a what essentially is a null read?

yes i do think it's wise to try and figure out people's alignments

you don't?

I do think that

it's just that it shakes itself out over the course of the game

I'm more interested in scum and I am interested in town anyway

If you're reading somebody null then they're null. find scum

null isn't an alignment one can have. you need to sort your nulls to find out if they're scum or not.

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Hi, time to read up.

who are you!

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VOTE: jake
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Opportunistic jump on the jake wagon me thinks.

how on earth is that opportunistic?

Read on before you post ffs. People correct themselves later all the time. You are doing nobody any favors by doing catchup style posts like this

ok, now that i'm back here, i disagree that that would have been opportunistic even if dolly hadn't unvoted.

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Why is tris here (<3) and why isn't she in the VC?

@MOD

I never voted for wake88.

hi! hope you're town again!

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All you got to do is find 2 to 3 scums and the rest of the people should be town

Theres this thing called being wrong?

it's helpful for me. feel free to ignore obsoleted comments.

Nah it's not. I had someone forever catching up and they were flooding the thread with fluff. And so far you've been very similar to them. Only caught up to page 4....
I can't help but feel like you want to seem like you're contributing by commenting on most posts when they are either resolved or as you said... obsolete later.

almost done!

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I'm TRing Joey_.
Just ISO him, it speaks for itself.

But I don't really agree with your counterwagon. Did you see my post 258?
Also, after you put a vote on Arkias, you seem to just have forgotten about it

who are you talking too here? i'm having some reading comprehension failure on this page.

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at this point i can't read saus apart from "i am hugely worried about how i'm perceived" but they seem to think that's what the game is actually about for both alignments

don't know how to interpret it

saus has been giving me vibes of open wolfing troll veteran or a genuine new player who flipped town but is being extremely self-conscious (trait I historically associate much more w/ scum than town)

It would make sense for you to perceive it as scum. If you look back at my previous games, you’ll see I’ve only ever played scum before, never town, so I apologise if my priorities are slightly wrong.

alright, so does anyone in this game jump out as you as being likely scummy or towny saus?

I think Jake the Wolfie is town. I know some people disagree, but he’s playing very similar to the last game I had with him when he was town. I know meta arguments aren’t great, but I think if you’ll look at newbie game 1966 you’ll see what I mean.

I don’t like the look of Dolly. Even if the mason claim was a joke, it wasn’t a good one, and only served to make people suspicious of her. Not a good play for scum or town. This alone isn’t good enough for a lynch in further consideration, however. UNVOTE: Dolly Parton

Kcdaspot isn’t great either. He frequently says things without justifying them (see 146, 52 (which is followed by the vague 57) and 290 (why exactly is it null? Can we have an explanation?) for examples). However, this isn’t scum-indicative by itself.

I think Invisible’s slip is worth following through. Invisible also doesn’t seem to try to make himself look townish to other players either. He mocks Kcdaspot’s style of writing in 123. However, like Kcdaspot (and Dolly), he fails to provide reasoning for some of his posts.

I think that currently, the best thing to do is to follow through with Invisible’s slip and lynch him, though this could change later depending on what happens.

VOTE: Invisible

you don't seem to really believe in this lynch.

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And I did see your 258, the whole point of a light poe is exactly that.. it's a light read based on light tells

do you mean light fos? poe meas process of elimination.

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at this point i can't read saus apart from "i am hugely worried about how i'm perceived" but they seem to think that's what the game is actually about for both alignments

don't know how to interpret it

saus has been giving me vibes of open wolfing troll veteran or a genuine new player who flipped town but is being extremely self-conscious (trait I historically associate much more w/ scum than town)

It would make sense for you to perceive it as scum. If you look back at my previous games, you’ll see I’ve only ever played scum before, never town, so I apologise if my priorities are slightly wrong.

alright, so does anyone in this game jump out as you as being likely scummy or towny saus?

I think Jake the Wolfie is town. I know some people disagree, but he’s playing very similar to the last game I had with him when he was town. I know meta arguments aren’t great, but I think if you’ll look at newbie game 1966 you’ll see what I mean.

I don’t like the look of Dolly. Even if the mason claim was a joke, it wasn’t a good one, and only served to make people suspicious of her. Not a good play for scum or town. This alone isn’t good enough for a lynch in further consideration, however. UNVOTE: Dolly Parton

Kcdaspot isn’t great either. He frequently says things without justifying them (see 146, 52 (which is followed by the vague 57) and 290 (why exactly is it null? Can we have an explanation?) for examples). However, this isn’t scum-indicative by itself.

I think Invisible’s slip is worth following through. Invisible also doesn’t seem to try to make himself look townish to other players either. He mocks Kcdaspot’s style of writing in 123. However, like Kcdaspot (and Dolly), he fails to provide reasoning for some of his posts.

I think that currently, the best thing to do is to follow through with Invisible’s slip and lynch him, though this could change later depending on what happens.

VOTE: Invisible

Like, this is the perfect exemple to show my point in my last post. Its an overly justifying and posturizing post with no actual content where he sheeps a read he doesn't have. Saus even takes the time to explain a read on 3-4 slots, yet the most important part of his post should've been where he places his vote. All he does about that is claim that the slip is "worth following through" and that Inv is basically is not playing in an agreeable way

Saus, can you explain me the slip you are read to lynch someone for?

Firstly, I would like to say that nothing is ever “over-justifiable”. An argument for why you think something is always better than not having one. To say mafia, a game about convincing people to lynch scum, can have opportunities to over-justify, is to say that mafia is a game about guessing, rather than logic. If an argument can be expressed logically, an intelligent person will agree. By not justifying an argument, you give no reason for anyone to agree. Therefore, it is always better to explain an argument.

In answer to your question, I would say it is simply because of the slip. Nobody else appears more scummy than that slip to me, and since you should vote who you think is most scummy (unless you have ulterior motives) I voted him.
In addition, my vote is not just a vote, but a statement. It tells Invisible that there are people who suspect him, which is good for neither town or mafia. By voting him, I ensure that he will provide a reason for why he is town. We can then judge his reason to see if it makes sense or not, and then work from there. If he has a good reason, or someone else is seeming more scummy, my vote will change. However, his reason may contradict his earlier statements, or be a scumtell or a slip, which can prove that he is scum, or at least worthy of a D1 lynch.
This is why I voted Invisible, and will continue to do so until he changes my opinion or someone else seems more scummy.

i hate this post. it says very little, and you didn't even explain why you scumread the supposed slip.

pedit: well, maybe you're scum.

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kdca and saus townreads have drained away because not enough work
also the saus read was kinda of dumb to begin with but it’s okay
also kdca was kind of kicking jake a few times when I was arguing with him does that make sense?
in retrospect it’s kinda scummy
yeah actually I don’t like that at all

also UNVOTE:
if it’s Jake’s meta
has he played as scum?

anyway VOTE: alim

this is a good post. i think i townread invisibility.

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alright. I'll try not to be that spammy going forward. that was to help me get into the game. time to put together my reads and vote.

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@kcda it's against the rules to talk about replacing out in the thread or continuing to talk once you've made the request, so make sure you don't post anything more.

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Dolly, rb, Alimdia, do you also feel that Jake's post comes off as Try-Hard Scum?

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I'm gonna be honest its really hard to read cos I gotta keep going back and forth.

Its really fluffy as well.
He mentions me calling out Invis's 'slip' but then puts eth0s at the most scummy.

Something that might make sense is Kcdaspot and eth0s power-wolf'ing/mafia'ing but he didn't even mention that.

I'm inclined to think that invis vs jake is actually SvS. That's pretty rare I must say, but it seems like some light bussing gone wrong.

what makes you think he might be town and not scum?

Um I'm pretty sure at that point I thought it was SvS, so this question makes 0 sense.

You said you were going back and forth. so presumably, there were also reasons for you to think that jake was not scum.

kdca and saus townreads have drained away because not enough work
also the saus read was kinda of dumb to begin with but it’s okay
also kdca was kind of kicking jake a few times when I was arguing with him does that make sense?
in retrospect it’s kinda scummy
yeah actually I don’t like that at all

also UNVOTE:
if it’s Jake’s meta
has he played as scum?

anyway VOTE: alim

Alim votes at this point are POINTless. What info will we get from this lynch today, even if Alim flips red. I mean it could clear you but I disagree with your read here.

why would that lynch give less information than other lynches?

at this point i can't read saus apart from "i am hugely worried about how i'm perceived" but they seem to think that's what the game is actually about for both alignments

don't know how to interpret it

saus has been giving me vibes of open wolfing troll veteran or a genuine new player who flipped town but is being extremely self-conscious (trait I historically associate much more w/ scum than town)

or newer scum who thinks he can get away with hiding behind his newbishness.

apparently ethos has experience with him. i would like to hear more from ethos about him.

well.. what aspect do you want to hear about? ngl I don't understand why you'd say something like that without asking me a relevant question or something

fair enough

I need to ask moving forward,

is the accepted meta doing posts per thing you're responding too, or doing big wall texts? Historically, I've done wall texts, but it also gives me an incredibly low post count -- but reading Ethos/Dolly/Tris doing it, makes me wonder if I'm playing this wrong?

Thanks

however you want to do it.

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@tris - you said you liked rb and Eth0s's vote on Sausarex after he voted the mod. Dolly had also voted there, but you didn't mention it, why? I have the exact same interpretation of that behavior so I want to know if we're on the same page for reasons.

rex's vote had bothered me when i read it, like he was acting like a newb in a way that seemed a bit much for someone who'd been around for two months now. I liked that for whatever reason, the vote pinged rb as well. and the way ethos quickly joined the wagon and especially his phrasing "I'm honestly down with this" felt town to me.

When it came to dolly's vote, even though i didn't make reply to it, i wrote in my notes "maybe not as good". I didn't consider it scummy necessarily, but I think part of why i didn't like that vote as much was the explanation she gave. (As such, i also liked it when ethos questioned her there)

looking back at that leads me to a question @ethos now that i know he had previous experience with rex. why where you "down for" that wagon?

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I think I'll VOTE: Dolly for now at least before i do my assessment of each player that i meant to do before.

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i'm townreading billy. he seems to be thinking some similar thoughts as me in 491 and 504.

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lol

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The only reason I won't vote Dolly here is because (other than my no-quicklynching policy) it would allow for a scum to hammer them. Now, do I think a scum would out themselves to hammer? I do not think so. But then again thousands of years ago we would've never had thought to have gone to the moon. So yeah, anything is possible. UNVOTE:

I do severely scum read dolly here though, they're shade throwing anyone who votes them.

They've also Ninja'd meat least 4 times

this is really weird. also it wouldn't be L-1.

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Hey dolly, why does voting you = scum?

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like explain what this trap is that i supposedly fell for.

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but, you were calling me scum.