Mini Normal 2109 | Newbie Quotes II: Newb Boogaloo (Day 3)

[SausasaurusRex]

Can we vote the moderator?

VOTE: Saladman27

[SausasaurusRex]

falalalal

I don't like alim's vote

lolwagons suck

lalalalaaaaa~~~

Two votes is hardly a wagon. Alim’s vote is fine.

[SausasaurusRex]

I ... didn’t expect this reaction. This is my first non-newbie game, and the first time I’ve participated in RVS. I was under the assumption you can bite anyone, and nothing is taken seriously in this stage. It appears I was wrong.

UNVOTE:

[SausasaurusRex]

I ... didn’t expect this reaction. This is my first non-newbie game, and the first time I’ve participated in RVS. I was under the assumption you can bite anyone, and nothing is taken seriously in this stage. It appears I was wrong.

UNVOTE:

Well tell us... Is you a newbie scummy or a newbie towny? You're answer is always 100% right or wrong here... Choose wisely.

Town. It doesn’t matter to make this known, because the scum know everyone’s alignments anyway, unless there’s a third party in this game.

[SausasaurusRex]

My WiFi’s a little flaky, so I apologise if I don’t answer any questions.

[SausasaurusRex]

Lil Uzi Vert hasn’t posted yet either.
VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

[SausasaurusRex]

Ethos is town

Can you elaborate on this?

[SausasaurusRex]

I ... didn’t expect this reaction. This is my first non-newbie game, and the first time I’ve participated in RVS. I was under the assumption you can bite anyone, and nothing is taken seriously in this stage. It appears I was wrong.

UNVOTE:

Well tell us... Is you a newbie scummy or a newbie towny? You're answer is always 100% right or wrong here... Choose wisely.

Town. It doesn’t matter to make this known, because the scum know everyone’s alignments anyway, unless there’s a third party in this game.

why would you answer if it doesn't matter

What I meant by “it doesn’t matter”, was that scum won’t have any more chance of nking me if I say I’m town. The scum already know I’m town, so I don’t lose anything by admitting it. Therefore, it’s safe to admit my towniness. Also, if I hadn’t answered, I would’ve looked extremely scummy, which isn’t a good look for town.

Lil Uzi Vert hasn’t posted yet either.
VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

Same q to you, why would you vote someone who hasn't posted?

To apply some pressure to them.

[SausasaurusRex]

Would have been cooler if you had rode this out with me though.

This heavily implies Dolly was lying. Why would Wake need to ride it out if she’d been telling the truth?

VOTE: Dolly Parton

I don’t like Invis’s slip either though. Perhaps a D2 lynch if the Dolly one doesn’t work.

[SausasaurusRex]

A joke claim is just a bad excuse for when you can’t think of a way to justify what was said. It’s never a good idea to counter-claim.

[SausasaurusRex]

EBWOP never a good idea to joke claim. I diidn’t mean counter-claim.

[SausasaurusRex]

Dolly, rb, Alimdia, do you also feel that Jake's post comes off as Try-Hard Scum?

126

Damned if I make content, Damned if I don't. Would you rather want me to not produce content and get mislynched?

Oh my god please.

Guys... Guys?

Why is noone looking at this?

That is seriously the worst kind of post you can make right now... do you have really nothing to say over the freaking four pages of content between your you voting yourself and now?

I didn't have time to read them. I was just skimming over them. Where is your content? Why are most of your posts fluff?

^ first good Jake post

let's go!

I disagree. How is either town or scum supposed to make an argument for their towniness if they don’t even read the arguments against them?

[SausasaurusRex]

at this point i can't read saus apart from "i am hugely worried about how i'm perceived" but they seem to think that's what the game is actually about for both alignments

don't know how to interpret it

saus has been giving me vibes of open wolfing troll veteran or a genuine new player who flipped town but is being extremely self-conscious (trait I historically associate much more w/ scum than town)

It would make sense for you to perceive it as scum. If you look back at my previous games, you’ll see I’ve only ever played scum before, never town, so I apologise if my priorities are slightly wrong.

[SausasaurusRex]

at this point i can't read saus apart from "i am hugely worried about how i'm perceived" but they seem to think that's what the game is actually about for both alignments

don't know how to interpret it

saus has been giving me vibes of open wolfing troll veteran or a genuine new player who flipped town but is being extremely self-conscious (trait I historically associate much more w/ scum than town)

It would make sense for you to perceive it as scum. If you look back at my previous games, you’ll see I’ve only ever played scum before, never town, so I apologise if my priorities are slightly wrong.

alright, so does anyone in this game jump out as you as being likely scummy or towny saus?

I think Jake the Wolfie is town. I know some people disagree, but he’s playing very similar to the last game I had with him when he was town. I know meta arguments aren’t great, but I think if you’ll look at newbie game 1966 you’ll see what I mean.

I don’t like the look of Dolly. Even if the mason claim was a joke, it wasn’t a good one, and only served to make people suspicious of her. Not a good play for scum or town. This alone isn’t good enough for a lynch in further consideration, however. UNVOTE: Dolly Parton

Kcdaspot isn’t great either. He frequently says things without justifying them (see 146, 52 (which is followed by the vague 57) and 290 (why exactly is it null? Can we have an explanation?) for examples). However, this isn’t scum-indicative by itself.

I think Invisible’s slip is worth following through. Invisible also doesn’t seem to try to make himself look townish to other players either. He mocks Kcdaspot’s style of writing in 123. However, like Kcdaspot (and Dolly), he fails to provide reasoning for some of his posts.

I think that currently, the best thing to do is to follow through with Invisible’s slip and lynch him, though this could change later depending on what happens.

VOTE: Invisible

[SausasaurusRex]

EBWOP: I meant “In addition, like Kcdaspot”, not “However, like Kcdaspot”, when I was talking about Invisible.

[SausasaurusRex]

at this point i can't read saus apart from "i am hugely worried about how i'm perceived" but they seem to think that's what the game is actually about for both alignments

don't know how to interpret it

saus has been giving me vibes of open wolfing troll veteran or a genuine new player who flipped town but is being extremely self-conscious (trait I historically associate much more w/ scum than town)

It would make sense for you to perceive it as scum. If you look back at my previous games, you’ll see I’ve only ever played scum before, never town, so I apologise if my priorities are slightly wrong.

alright, so does anyone in this game jump out as you as being likely scummy or towny saus?

I think Jake the Wolfie is town. I know some people disagree, but he’s playing very similar to the last game I had with him when he was town. I know meta arguments aren’t great, but I think if you’ll look at newbie game 1966 you’ll see what I mean.

I don’t like the look of Dolly. Even if the mason claim was a joke, it wasn’t a good one, and only served to make people suspicious of her. Not a good play for scum or town. This alone isn’t good enough for a lynch in further consideration, however. UNVOTE: Dolly Parton

Kcdaspot isn’t great either. He frequently says things without justifying them (see 146, 52 (which is followed by the vague 57) and 290 (why exactly is it null? Can we have an explanation?) for examples). However, this isn’t scum-indicative by itself.

I think Invisible’s slip is worth following through. Invisible also doesn’t seem to try to make himself look townish to other players either. He mocks Kcdaspot’s style of writing in 123. However, like Kcdaspot (and Dolly), he fails to provide reasoning for some of his posts.

I think that currently, the best thing to do is to follow through with Invisible’s slip and lynch him, though this could change later depending on what happens.

VOTE: Invisible

Like, this is the perfect exemple to show my point in my last post. Its an overly justifying and posturizing post with no actual content where he sheeps a read he doesn't have. Saus even takes the time to explain a read on 3-4 slots, yet the most important part of his post should've been where he places his vote. All he does about that is claim that the slip is "worth following through" and that Inv is basically is not playing in an agreeable way

Saus, can you explain me the slip you are read to lynch someone for?

Firstly, I would like to say that nothing is ever “over-justifiable”. An argument for why you think something is always better than not having one. To say mafia, a game about convincing people to lynch scum, can have opportunities to over-justify, is to say that mafia is a game about guessing, rather than logic. If an argument can be expressed logically, an intelligent person will agree. By not justifying an argument, you give no reason for anyone to agree. Therefore, it is always better to explain an argument.

In answer to your question, I would say it is simply because of the slip. Nobody else appears more scummy than that slip to me, and since you should vote who you think is most scummy (unless you have ulterior motives) I voted him.
In addition, my vote is not just a vote, but a statement. It tells Invisible that there are people who suspect him, which is good for neither town or mafia. By voting him, I ensure that he will provide a reason for why he is town. We can then judge his reason to see if it makes sense or not, and then work from there. If he has a good reason, or someone else is seeming more scummy, my vote will change. However, his reason may contradict his earlier statements, or be a scumtell or a slip, which can prove that he is scum, or at least worthy of a D1 lynch.
This is why I voted Invisible, and will continue to do so until he changes my opinion or someone else seems more scummy.

[SausasaurusRex]

kdca and saus townreads have drained away because not enough work
also the saus read was kinda of dumb to begin with but it’s okay
also kdca was kind of kicking jake a few times when I was arguing with him does that make sense?
in retrospect it’s kinda scummy
yeah actually I don’t like that at all

also UNVOTE:
if it’s Jake’s meta
has he played as scum?

anyway VOTE: alim

I’ve worked much more than some people. Let me direct you to Arkias, Lil Uzi Vert and Eth0s.
Also, what made your townread on me dumb?

[SausasaurusRex]

at this point i can't read saus apart from "i am hugely worried about how i'm perceived" but they seem to think that's what the game is actually about for both alignments

don't know how to interpret it

saus has been giving me vibes of open wolfing troll veteran or a genuine new player who flipped town but is being extremely self-conscious (trait I historically associate much more w/ scum than town)

It would make sense for you to perceive it as scum. If you look back at my previous games, you’ll see I’ve only ever played scum before, never town, so I apologise if my priorities are slightly wrong.

alright, so does anyone in this game jump out as you as being likely scummy or towny saus?

I think Jake the Wolfie is town. I know some people disagree, but he’s playing very similar to the last game I had with him when he was town. I know meta arguments aren’t great, but I think if you’ll look at newbie game 1966 you’ll see what I mean.

I don’t like the look of Dolly. Even if the mason claim was a joke, it wasn’t a good one, and only served to make people suspicious of her. Not a good play for scum or town. This alone isn’t good enough for a lynch in further consideration, however. UNVOTE: Dolly Parton

Kcdaspot isn’t great either. He frequently says things without justifying them (see 146, 52 (which is followed by the vague 57) and 290 (why exactly is it null? Can we have an explanation?) for examples). However, this isn’t scum-indicative by itself.

I think Invisible’s slip is worth following through. Invisible also doesn’t seem to try to make himself look townish to other players either. He mocks Kcdaspot’s style of writing in 123. However, like Kcdaspot (and Dolly), he fails to provide reasoning for some of his posts.

I think that currently, the best thing to do is to follow through with Invisible’s slip and lynch him, though this could change later depending on what happens.

VOTE: Invisible

you don't seem to really believe in this lynch.

I don’t quite understand what you mean. Why would I vote for it if I didn’t believe it was the best choice?

[SausasaurusRex]

at this point i can't read saus apart from "i am hugely worried about how i'm perceived" but they seem to think that's what the game is actually about for both alignments

don't know how to interpret it

their ISO in this game is def worth a read imo
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=81070

at this point i can't read saus apart from "i am hugely worried about how i'm perceived" but they seem to think that's what the game is actually about for both alignments

don't know how to interpret it

saus has been giving me vibes of open wolfing troll veteran or a genuine new player who flipped town but is being extremely self-conscious (trait I historically associate much more w/ scum than town)

It would make sense for you to perceive it as scum. If you look back at my previous games, you’ll see I’ve only ever played scum before, never town, so I apologise if my priorities are slightly wrong.

alright, so does anyone in this game jump out as you as being likely scummy or towny saus?

I think Jake the Wolfie is town. I know some people disagree, but he’s playing very similar to the last game I had with him when he was town. I know meta arguments aren’t great, but I think if you’ll look at newbie game 1966 you’ll see what I mean.

I don’t like the look of Dolly. Even if the mason claim was a joke, it wasn’t a good one, and only served to make people suspicious of her. Not a good play for scum or town. This alone isn’t good enough for a lynch in further consideration, however. UNVOTE: Dolly Parton

Kcdaspot isn’t great either. He frequently says things without justifying them (see 146, 52 (which is followed by the vague 57) and 290 (why exactly is it null? Can we have an explanation?) for examples). However, this isn’t scum-indicative by itself.

I think Invisible’s slip is worth following through. Invisible also doesn’t seem to try to make himself look townish to other players either. He mocks Kcdaspot’s style of writing in 123. However, like Kcdaspot (and Dolly), he fails to provide reasoning for some of his posts.

I think that currently, the best thing to do is to follow through with Invisible’s slip and lynch him, though this could change later depending on what happens.

VOTE: Invisible

If you think a perceived slip is the best info we have for a wagon rn, how do you feel about the one alimdia made (pointed out by joey)? I kinda get the feeling you're more worried about invis dying than you are about punishing scummy behavior.

Perhaps I’m just blind, but I looked through both Joey’s and Alimdia’s ISOs and I’m not seeing any slips. If you were to point it out for me again, I’ll take a look at it and change my opinion accordingly.

[SausasaurusRex]

I need to ask moving forward,

is the accepted meta doing posts per thing you're responding too, or doing big wall texts? Historically, I've done wall texts, but it also gives me an incredibly low post count -- but reading Ethos/Dolly/Tris doing it, makes me wonder if I'm playing this wrong?

Thanks

I’m not as experienced as the people you mention, but I would guess it’s multiple posts, because that makes it easier to quote them later.

[SausasaurusRex]

@saus

This isn’t what I said. I voted Invisible because of the slip, not because I believe in the lynch. I believe in the lynch because I voted her. The original vote stems not from believing in the lynch, but from the scumminess of the slip.

[SausasaurusRex]

@saus

This isn’t what I said. I voted Invisible because of the slip, not because I believe in the lynch. I believe in the lynch because I voted her. The original vote stems not from believing in the lynch, but from the scumminess of the slip.

Of course it's not exactly what you said, but it's what your answer heavily implies, basically dodging the question

Your were told "you don't seem to really believe in this lynch".
I am not tris, but I am going to assume that she's saying that the way you use the slip argument to justify your vote, seems ungenuine as if you didn't believe it yourself. Btw I shared that feeling when i said you were voting for a read you didn't have yourself.

You answered "Why would I vote for it if I didn’t believe it was the best choice?". You can rephrase your answer as "I believe it's the best choice of a lynch because I am voting him"
Basically, you are deflecting the whole point about you using the slip to push a vote, twice over considering I already asked you to explain the slip and you dodged it.

You have a bad habit of not answering questions

I will ask for a third time
Can you explain me what is inv's slip and what is the "scumminess of the slip"?

Invisible's slip was in post 122. It is a slip because Invisible wouldn't know Jake was town unless he was scum. Therefore, this tells me Invisible must be scum, because only scum knows who is town. This is the scumminess of the slip. In addition, even if he was town and somehow knew Jake was town, there would be no reason for him to love Jake voting himself.
Therefore, since this made me think Invisible is scum, I voted him. I also believe in the lynch because I think he's scum. This is not circular reasoning. I voted Invisible because I think he's scum due to the slip, and believe in the lynch because I think he is scum. I got the result that he is scum from the slip,not because I "believe in the lynch".
I don't see what other justification there can be for believing in a lynch. Surely it follows naturally that, by thinking someone is scum, I think they should be lynched. I apologize if you expected a different answer to the one I have given multiple times, but this is what I believe.

I didn't intend to ignore you, I had forgotten you asked me. This is a bad habit, and I apologize for it.
I also don't see what makes my argument seem ingenuine either. I have explained many times why I thought it works, and the argument is logical and makes sense. As nobody else seems more scummy at the moment to me, I should vote Invisible, no?

[SausasaurusRex]

VOTE: wake

Could you explain this vote? What exactly makes you think Wake is scum?

[SausasaurusRex]

You see how I just solved D1.

But you didn’t. If you scumread everyone who isn’t currently voting you, you will be scumreading 9 people. You know for a fact that there cannot be 9 scum, because otherwise scum outnumbers town and we’ve lost and scum wins. So you didn’t solve D1, you just made something up so people won’t vote you.
This is, in my opinion, extremely scummy.

[SausasaurusRex]

Scum will 100% vote me next.
One
Hundred
Procent

Then my wagon dissipates and we all SR people not voting me and this time.

I see no reason for your wagon to dissipate now that Jake has voted you. Why did you expect this?

[SausasaurusRex]

Mini Normal 2109 | Newbie Quotes II: Newb Boogaloo

DAY 1 - DUEL

Dolly Parton

vs.

Jake The Wolfie

Cast your VOTE: wisely!


VOTE: Jake The Wolfie

VOTE: Dolly Parton

This “duel” thing and “if you vote me you’re scum” is much scummier than anything Invisible has done. Therefore, I will vote Dolly.

This is L-1

However, I would like to give her a chance to defend herself before anyone hammers.

[SausasaurusRex]

Mini Normal 2109 | Newbie Quotes II: Newb Boogaloo

DAY 1 - DUEL

Dolly Parton

vs.

Jake The Wolfie

Cast your VOTE: wisely!


VOTE: Jake The Wolfie

VOTE: Dolly Parton

This “duel” thing and “if you vote me you’re scum” is much scummier than anything Invisible has done. Therefore, I will vote Dolly.

This is L-1

However, I would like to give her a chance to defend herself before anyone hammers.

I have already claimed. VT. I want you to compare me with Jake and not Invis for your vote. If you still want to vote me, I'll accept it. Just remember when i flip VT that Jake has to go tomorrow.

Very well. You are scummy for starting both this duel and the “vote me and you’re scum” thing. It is scummy because it artificially attempts to stop people voting you, and is very illogical reasoning for why people can be scum. In addition, claiming that anyone not voting you is scum allows you to have 9 scumreads. It also puts those 9 people in an unwinnable position: vote Dolly and you’re scum, or don’t vote Dolly and still be scum.
You also did scummy things in the past, like the fake mason claim,

However, Jake is not scummy. His play is very similar to when he was town in my last game. However, I understand this is a meta-argument, and so is easily fakeable. He was also the first to call Dolly out about the “vote me and you’re scum” and makes valid arguments against it.

Even if Jake was null for me, it would be better to vote Dolly because of all the scummy things she’s done. Therefore, I voted Dolly.

[SausasaurusRex]

Lie detector is NOT a normal role.

Scum claim #3

You're right, I'm a Disloyal Doctor.

How does that work? Wouldn’t you only be able to use your ability on mafia?

[SausasaurusRex]

Lie detector is NOT a normal role.

Scum claim #3

You're right, I'm a Disloyal Doctor.

How does that work? Wouldn’t you only be able to use your ability on mafia?

Hey, if it's bad it's me. But I'm not that. I'm a werewolf, for obvious reasons.

Jake can you make an actual claim please?

[SausasaurusRex]

SausasaurusRex

How well do you fare under pressure as Scum? Your vote on Dolly regarding the fakeclaim is, to me, opportunistic. In 179 you meant fake-claim, not counter-claim, correct...? OK, you corrected yourself. I need you to be very specific regarding why you switched your vote from Dolly to Invisibility in 347. I agree with 382. 503: Good question. Not sure how to read 564

You say you want me to be very specific in why I switched my vote from Dolly to Invisiblity. Was 347 not enough? I changed my vote because I thought Invisible’s slip was more of a scumtell than Dolly’s. This is because Dolly at least had a possible reason to fakeclaim - it

could

have gotten some information from you. However, Invisible’s slip had no town reasoning (I.e. there was no reason for town to do it), so I felt his was more scummy than Dolly’s. Therefore, I voted him.
I don’t think my initial vote on Dolly was opportunistic. I don’t believe there were anywhere near enough votes to lynch her when I voted her, and there was solid reasoning for why I though she was worthy of a vote.

What I want to hear from you, Wake, is some stances. You’ve said lots of things, commented on people’s play, and asked many questions, but you didn’t give a single solid read. Remaining nebulous to be able to change your reads later is a scumtell, no? Who is town, and who is scum?

[SausasaurusRex]

alright so

im okay with lynching: Dolly, Invisibility, Saus

i don't really have a clear direction on anyone yet unless i assume bad = scum

and yeah, it may well be

What put me on your lynchlist?

[SausasaurusRex]

Imo wake is now obvious scum

What makes you say that?

[SausasaurusRex]

The table can’t understand when I explain stuff so i diubt theyd understand if I explained my wake read, so ill leave it at that

People failing to understand reads is always better than having them suspicious of you for having seemingly no reasons. You should explain it anyway.

[SausasaurusRex]

The table can’t understand when I explain stuff so i diubt theyd understand if I explained my wake read, so ill leave it at that

People failing to understand reads is always better than having them suspicious of you for having seemingly no reasons. You should explain it anyway.

Im universally townreads and moreso when dolly or jake flips town

And/or when wake flips scum

Neither of these explain your reasoning.

[SausasaurusRex]

If you think Wake is scum, you need to get people to vote him. Which means you need to convince them to vote him. Which means providing reasoning is in your best interests. Otherwise, Wake will continue to live, which is presumably not what you want.

[SausasaurusRex]

Spoiler:

Please don't hammer anyone yet. I'm still combing through the game thread and writing up a Reads List.

Guys, please NO hammering yet. I'm still typing up my Reads List.

alimdia

Please tell me again why you're voting Invisibility in 171. 203: Do you think rb could be Scum and is tunneling Dolly? I agree with the first half of 208, but I'd like you to guess as to why I don't agree with your second half of it. On 218 I think we should talk more about you thinking Dolly should be Townread regarding rb's behavior. I like that you also caught that in 257; want to join me in pressuring this? Not sure I like your 331... Also, why did you join on Jake's wagon in 341? I too would like to see Invisibility expand on 380.

Arkias

You seem eager to find a reason in 254 to join the Invisibility wagon. I like 402 because I agree with all of it. 443: It can be whatever; don't let people tell you how to play the game. Could you please briefly explain your gut-vote in 455?

Billy Pilgrim

491: Regarding Dolly, Invisibility, and Jake, who would you vote if you had to, and why? I think the better reason to vote Dolly would be 442, Billy, if she doesn't explain herself.

Can you tell me what doesn't work with 545/574 VS 587/596?

Dolly Parton

Not particularly liking your 151. For the record meta-wise, I never do Mason claims. Although I am still curious why you would target me for that claim. 184: In no way does that make me ObvTown, and I don't think it's reasonable for Town-You to really have that notion this early in the game. I agree with 199. You know, for someone being Scumread for a fake Mason claim, you appear eager to vote Invisibility for a perceived Scumslip (228). 231: I don't like this. 414: What? I REALLY don't like 442, and I could hammer you right now for it but I want an explanation from you on this. Please explain 514. 515: Noted. Somehow I'm not convinced by 523. I don't like the "reasoning" behind 556. I need you to thoroughly respond to 558 please.

eth0s

I don't like your vote in 96 because to me it feels opportunistic. Do you currently support Jake's lynch? Regarding 421, how are you reading him currently? On 433 I don't think he's had a completed Scum-game yet, so we don't know alimdia's Scum-meta. 434: Alimdia should not be above scrutiny, and Uzi has done barely anything this game.

Invisibility

Not liking your 122. Sarcasm rarely translates well on text. I agree with 277; a joke Mason claim does not a Scum make. Please tell me more your reasoning behind 379. I like 440. 454: A good question, and not a fair thing to really ask, especially during Day 1.

Jake The Wolfie

Please tell me again how Invisibility was quicklynching you in 95. I do however like your response to eth0s in 98. Only Scum self-votes to help themselves, so as Town you should never do that in 102. 111: Are you new to Mafia? I agree with 244. I also agree with 269. I can't agree with 405. I agree there hasn't been much from that slot wrt 411. I agree with 533, in that Dolly does appear to be doing a lot of shade-throwing.

Joey_

Please elaborate on 224. 225: That presumes you assume he is Town, which is knowledge you should not be having if you are Town. You should make it not a secret regarding 509, Joey.

Lil Uzi Vert

OK, I do not like 264, because you are way too quick to join the wagon: I want to know why

you

are voting Dolly. I can agree with 450.

I need to hear more from you, Uzi.

rb

I'm not that convinced it was a slip, rb (142). I wouldn't mind seeing Rex pressured more. So confident you seem in 147. I'm liking the latter half of 156. Unsure the reason for the Dolly vote in 161 but I'm assuming it was a reaction test. I find your overconfidence in 180 disturbing: you know Town is not informed, so if you're uninformed confidence is not something you should have (especially during the early part of Day 1). 181: Obviously if they were to flip Scum you would deal with the consequences. I don't recall getting a reaction from you regarding my 185. 196 seems completely unnecessary. In regards to 213, alimdia shouldn't be Townreading Dolly for that. 221: I'm still not convince Invisibility Scum-slipped, although I've been wrong before. I like that you picked up on that in 272. Regarding 289 I still think pressuring Rex is a good idea.

SausasaurusRex

How well do you fare under pressure as Scum? Your vote on Dolly regarding the fakeclaim is, to me, opportunistic. In 179 you meant fake-claim, not counter-claim, correct...? OK, you corrected yourself. I need you to be very specific regarding why you switched your vote from Dolly to Invisibility in 347. I agree with 382. 503: Good question. Not sure how to read 564.

tris

I agree with 315. I don't agree at all with 349, however. Are you saying in 351 it does or doesn't? I think we should hear more from eth0s in general wrt 381. I can't agree with you on 383: sometimes it's way too difficult to sort players, especially early on. 394 I do agree with.

Spoiler: Base Template

alimdia

Arkias

Billy Pilgrim

Dolly Parton

eth0s

Invisibility

Jake The Wolfie

Joey_

Lil Uzi Vert

rb

SausasaurusRex

tris

yeah im not reading that

if i have to follow a link and a link and another link in a post just to make it make sense, im not convinced the writer of the post is trying to be understood and will assume they're just doing busy work to look good without doing anything actually useful

i don't particularly care to lynch wake at this point

i also don't particularly care if he is lynched

Ah, so you're Scum or lazy Town.

I dislike people like that. They ask for reads and thoughts, you spend your time on it, and then some people have to be assholes and say they aren't even going to read it. Not cool.

Sorry for the multiple post, i suck at formatting

Can you tell me what doesn't work with 545/574 VS 587/596? @sauce

He advocates for no lynching until he finishes, then proceeds not to vote anyone or make any reads? Then, when asked for some solid reads, he ignores the question?

[SausasaurusRex]

EBWOP: And in 596 he says implies he put his reads in, but never actually did, and just made comments and questions?

[SausasaurusRex]

alright so

im okay with lynching: Dolly, Invisibility, Saus

i don't really have a clear direction on anyone yet unless i assume bad = scum

and yeah, it may well be

What put me on your lynchlist?

i wanted to see how you changed over the course of the day with your posting but im very underwhelmed and i think you're very likely to be scum

I can assure you I’m not, but what was it you were looking for?

[SausasaurusRex]

VOTE: LUV

Could you elaborate on this vote? Is it just because of inactivity, or do you have suspicions?

[SausasaurusRex]

VOTE: sauce Rex

Walk me through what you were thinking when you posted 576

I townread Jake, so I wrote 576 under the assumption Jake was town. The wiki tells me that the actions of a role with the modifier “disloyal” only work if they are not the same alignment as the role. Therefore, since I think Jake is town, he would only be able to use his abilities on mafia.
I realise now that it was a joke claim, but when I posted 576, I thought Jake wouldn’t joke as it could be turned into a scumtell by Dolly.

[SausasaurusRex]

VOTE: LUV

Could you elaborate on this vote? Is it just because of inactivity, or do you have suspicions?

I could but I won't. Who do you think is mefia?

I’m not certain at the moment. I townread Wake and Jake. I don’t like how you refuse to answer questions, Joey, but it isn’t enough for a scumread. Aliminda I used to townread, but he’s more null now.

[SausasaurusRex]

It took me a while to catch up. I'm now all caught up and this is where I am at right now.

Town/Joey - Looking at his posts it looks like he is sorting players and one of his recent posts I saw he asked Billy to link him his scum and town game and I don't think scum would say this and normally it comes from a townie who wants to make sure they got their reads right.

Town/Alimdia - He looks observant saying Invisibility and Jake are unlikely to be a scum team and his thought process does looks like it comes from a townie mindset.

Town/Sausasaurus Rex - On #347 his town read on Jake looks reasonable saying that Jake seems to be playing very similar to the last game they played together when Jake was town and I don't think scum would bring up a players previous game saying they seem to be playing similar to the last game they played as town.

Town/TrisOrfhz - I didn't really see anything from Tris that stood out as town and when Orfhz took over from that slot he votes Sausaurus Rex and then he switches his vote to Billy since he said he read through Sausausaurus Rex last two games and I don't think scum would read through a players previous games.

Neutral/Jake - On day 1 he has been defending himself alot and then he asks players to just quickhammer him and this is a really weird thing for a scum to say this though I have seen a scum say this only once. Looks like my predecessor has played with Jake before and mentions Jake was playing similar to the last game they played together when Jake was town. Only problem I had with this slot is I did not like his interaction with Dolly since his posts looked like he was taunting Dolly.

Neutral/Wake - He asks questions, says he will follow up on a reads list but he never did and that hammer was unexpected. Talks too much about his meta and says scum always keep him alive to get him lynched. I will need to understand him better since this is my first time playing with him.

Neutral/LUV - I didn't see much of him and I can't get a good read on him.

Scum/KcdBilly - Most of Kcd's posts were fluff and he votes Jake for defending himself and that is not a good vote reason. He town reads and scum reads players without explaining why they are town or scum. I recently finished a game with scum Billy and the posting looks similar to his scum game.

Scum/Invisibility - I did not like his interaction with Jake and I did not like the vote on Alimdia and he didn't even explain his vote. On day 2 all he's doing is sheeping.

VOTE: Invisibility

Lots of these reasons don't seem very good to me. Could you perhaps go a little more in-depth?

[SausasaurusRex]

Adorbs - why did you vote Vizzy over Billy?

My list I made is towniest to scummiest. I voted Vizzy because he is on the bottom of my list.

It took me a while to catch up. I'm now all caught up and this is where I am at right now.

Town/Joey - Looking at his posts it looks like he is sorting players and one of his recent posts I saw he asked Billy to link him his scum and town game and I don't think scum would say this and normally it comes from a townie who wants to make sure they got their reads right.

Town/Alimdia - He looks observant saying Invisibility and Jake are unlikely to be a scum team and his thought process does looks like it comes from a townie mindset.

Town/Sausasaurus Rex - On #347 his town read on Jake looks reasonable saying that Jake seems to be playing very similar to the last game they played together when Jake was town and I don't think scum would bring up a players previous game saying they seem to be playing similar to the last game they played as town.

Town/TrisOrfhz - I didn't really see anything from Tris that stood out as town and when Orfhz took over from that slot he votes Sausaurus Rex and then he switches his vote to Billy since he said he read through Sausausaurus Rex last two games and I don't think scum would read through a players previous games.

Neutral/Jake - On day 1 he has been defending himself alot and then he asks players to just quickhammer him and this is a really weird thing for a scum to say this though I have seen a scum say this only once. Looks like my predecessor has played with Jake before and mentions Jake was playing similar to the last game they played together when Jake was town. Only problem I had with this slot is I did not like his interaction with Dolly since his posts looked like he was taunting Dolly.

Neutral/Wake - He asks questions, says he will follow up on a reads list but he never did and that hammer was unexpected. Talks too much about his meta and says scum always keep him alive to get him lynched. I will need to understand him better since this is my first time playing with him.

Neutral/LUV - I didn't see much of him and I can't get a good read on him.

Scum/KcdBilly - Most of Kcd's posts were fluff and he votes Jake for defending himself and that is not a good vote reason. He town reads and scum reads players without explaining why they are town or scum. I recently finished a game with scum Billy and the posting looks similar to his scum game.

Scum/Invisibility - I did not like his interaction with Jake and I did not like the vote on Alimdia and he didn't even explain his vote. On day 2 all he's doing is sheeping.

VOTE: Invisibility

Lots of these reasons don't seem very good to me. Could you perhaps go a little more in-depth?

The players I have been leaning town this was based on a post they made I thought looked townie and I didn't think scum would say something like this. Players I was leaning scum I didn't see a post from them that looked townie and the play from them looked suspicious. The neutral are the ones that are either I'm still not sure on them or they would be hard for me to get a read on. Is there a particular player you think I got my read on wrong like for example do you think one of the players I'm leaning town you're leaning scum on?

I just feel a single post isn’t worthy of a full town or scumread, especially at this point in the game.

[SausasaurusRex]

Sauce, what are your scum and townreads? Do you still townread wake? If so, why and what do you think about the wagon on him

I’m a little busy at the moment, but I’ll post a read list tomorrow. Sorry about that.

[SausasaurusRex]

EBWOP: Yes, I do still townread Wake, and I don’t particularly like the wagon on him. I’ll explain why in my read list tomorrow.

[SausasaurusRex]

Town-leaning:
Wake, Alimdia, Jake, Ofrhz.
Null:
Lil Uzi Vert, Adorable, Billy Pilgrim
Scum-leaning:
Invisible, Joey

I had written a detailed post, but mafiascum decided to delete 30 minutes worth of work. If you would like any more information on any of these reads, just ask.

[SausasaurusRex]

Would have been cooler if you had rode this out with me though.

This heavily implies Dolly was lying. Why would Wake need to ride it out if she’d been telling the truth?

VOTE: Dolly Parton

I don’t like Invis’s slip either though. Perhaps a D2 lynch if the Dolly one doesn’t work.

Btw I just remembered why I revoked my TR on Sausaurus .

If we look through his ISO he was very focused on invis, then voted Dolly, then day 2 starts and he doens't mention invis at all.

If invis is town, this man is 100% scum. If invis is scum, I'm not so sure...

I did mention Invisible. He was on my scum-leaning list. The reason I haven’t talked about him much is because I don’t feel he’s done anything that other players haven’t already mentioned, and there was no reason to repeat them.

[SausasaurusRex]

Would have been cooler if you had rode this out with me though.

This heavily implies Dolly was lying. Why would Wake need to ride it out if she’d been telling the truth?

VOTE: Dolly Parton

I don’t like Invis’s slip either though. Perhaps a D2 lynch if the Dolly one doesn’t work.

Btw I just remembered why I revoked my TR on Sausaurus .

If we look through his ISO he was very focused on invis, then voted Dolly, then day 2 starts and he doens't mention invis at all.

If invis is town, this man is 100% scum. If invis is scum, I'm not so sure...

I did mention Invisible. He was on my scum-leaning list. The reason I haven’t talked about him much is because I don’t feel he’s done anything that other players haven’t already mentioned, and there was no reason to repeat them.

Not one actually coherently formulated a scumread on invs besides petty omguses. So what has already been mentioned?

Adorable mentions how Invisible sheeps in 832, and scumreads and votes him for it. I had thought there was more than this, but I seem to no longer be able to find it.
However, you will notice Invisible has been moved form scum to scum-leaning, which is because of his lack of anything majorly scummy in D1.
Can I ask what you mean by omguses?

[SausasaurusRex]

Sauce, you never talked about your townread on wake

After his recent posting since my read list, and another reread, I no longer townread him.
In fact:
VOTE: Wake88

If anyone wants more explanation for this just ask, but I think it’s pretty clear.

[SausasaurusRex]

Wake is at L-1 I think

Sorry, I would have said. I counted L-2.

[SausasaurusRex]

Sauce, you never talked about your townread on wake

After his recent posting since my read list, and another reread, I no longer townread him.
In fact:
VOTE: Wake88

If anyone wants more explanation for this just ask, but I think it’s pretty clear.

I understand your read being stale

But I’m still curious why you townread him in the first place

I had felt that I could overlook some of his scummy behaviour based on the quality of his a/e post (which I do still like), but the scumminess is just too much now.

[SausasaurusRex]

A/e?

587. He later calls it his a-e post. (Analysis-Engagement)

[SausasaurusRex]

@sauce

I am your one of your 2 scum-leaning slot and pushing on one of your ex-townread

Aren’t you 2nd guessing that I am lynching town?

No. I feel good about my read on Wake, and even if you weren’t pushing him, I believe I would’ve come to the same conclusion.
Besides, it’s a common tactic for mafia to push other mafia. It happened to me in my very first game.

[SausasaurusRex]

I notice we only have a single death this night. If it were true that there was a vigilante, doesn't that mean that either the vigilante decided not to kill, or either mafia or vigilante's kill was blocked by a doctor?

[SausasaurusRex]

I agree. A mass claim is good.

[SausasaurusRex]

VC 1.13

Dolly Parton (7) -

Lil Uzi Vert, Arkias, Billy Pilgrim, tris, SausasaurusRex, rb,

Wake88

LYNCH

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-12-17 11:00:00)

Game Notes

- Will add spicy quote in the morning.

VC 2.5

Hell yeah

YEAH

YEAH

Wake88 (6) -

Billy Pilgrim,

ofrhz

, Invisibility, SausasaurusRex, Joey_, Lil Uzi Vert

(LYNCHED)

With

10

alive, it takes

6

to hammer.
Day 2 ends in

(expired on 2019-12-25 18:22:39)

Game Notes

-

I think Billy, Lil and Sausaurus should def claim before everyone else though..

My role is

Town Simple Doctor

. I act as a doctor that can only protect vanilla roles i.e. vanilla townies or mafia goons. I win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

This is why I seemed to know something in 1039, because I knew that I had protected someone, and suspected either the vigilante or the mafia had attempted to kill him.

On N1 I protected Wake88. As you can see, my stance changed on him quite a lot.
On N2 I protected Jake the Wolfie. I still townread him, though I am beginning to doubt it after his posts so far on D3.

[SausasaurusRex]

I've skimmed day 1. haven't checked out day 2 yet.

We're massclaiming?

Yeah, it’d be good if you did that quickly before reading the rest.

[SausasaurusRex]

Yes I am the vig

Targeted ethos N1
Didn’t target anybody N2

How do you feel about your predecessor’s decisions?

[SausasaurusRex]

I'm a watcher with some limitations which I will not reveal at this point.

I have no useful results.

This is a normal game. I’m going to quote the wiki here:

“The Watcher is an informative role that can target a player at Night and learn who, if anybody, targeted that player the same Night (but not what actions were performed on that player).
Watchers have been seen as each alignment.
This version of Watcher, and only this version of Watcher, is considered Normal on mafiascum.net.”

Doesn’t this mean that having restrictions makes you not a normal role?

[SausasaurusRex]

Who shall we target during the night then?

[SausasaurusRex]

I'm a watcher with some limitations which I will not reveal at this point.

I have no useful results.

What results do you have? I don't seen any reason not to reveal them even if you don't think they are useful

Nobody visited Joey night 1

should we do a HURT: vote for the vig/save and/or Billy's invest?

huh?

I'm thinking Lil and Invis are scum before the claims even happened, and they've done nothing to change it.

Yes, I agree. Ignoring claims, they are my top two scumreads.

[SausasaurusRex]

VOTE: Invisible

[SausasaurusRex]

I think theres def 2 scum on the D1 wagon, and 1 off.

What makes you say that? Is it independent of your reads?

[SausasaurusRex]

VOTE: Invisibility

@Lil Uzi Vert, there are people voting you. Do you have a defence?

[SausasaurusRex]

@Mod can we request an extension to the day?

[SausasaurusRex]

If this still counts: VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

[SausasaurusRex]

Looking back on everyone's interaction with Invisibility, it seems like everyone has been suspecting him. On day 3 Luv said he was suspicious of Invisibility and alimdia's claim. alimdia and Billy were also suspicious of Invisibility's claim and I'm wondering why did you guys vote Luv instead of Invisibility when you guys were suspicious of his Doctor Enabler claim?

I also suspected LUV, and due to the impending deadline, I felt it was better to lynch LUV over Invisibility as opposed to no lynch.

[SausasaurusRex]

Even if I did go back and re-read, this game is still lost for us, the town.

VOTE: JakeTheWolfie

Is that a lynch?

[SausasaurusRex]

Yeah. That's a lynch, and I bet it's SausaurusRex and Alimdia
Well played. Town kinda gave this game away. Sorry I blew this. But given that response I think scum deserves to win. Town wasnt trying.

Not me, I think it’s Alimdia and Adorable.

[SausasaurusRex]

Even if I did go back and re-read, this game is still lost for us, the town.

VOTE: JakeTheWolfie

@Jake why would you vote yourself? We could’ve still won.

[SausasaurusRex]

Man I modded this game so badly. I guess the sequel curse also happens on MS.

Not at all, I thought you were quite good.