Newbie 1972 | Game Over

[Zoomie8432]

This is my first game, so this is gonna be interesting.

[Zoomie8432]

How can you dismiss me as scum though?

[Zoomie8432]

Ah, true. Makes sense when I looked back.

[Zoomie8432]

However, he did make some rookie mistakes on some of his posts. That may lead to why that assumption is presumed.

[Zoomie8432]

I was overlooking on what he was putting in, and based on what he said, he was primarily afk, making him seem like he was working on something else, which could lead to some major issues in game. That random vote is a major one too, as random voting can put pressure on you if used against you right.

[Zoomie8432]

Played some Town of Salem, so yeah. I do have some experience in this genre, and yes. This is my first game in this type of way. So I am excited about that.

[Zoomie8432]

Always best to be active, and if you even are scum, to balance out the time between the two. Not saying that I am scum, I'm just saying that as being very non-active can lead to suspicions here.

[Zoomie8432]

Though, I don't quite know how to put things in bold in this forum yet. Mind showing me how?

[Zoomie8432]

Plus, I don't know how to edit these things after posting em. That would be good assistance too. The bold part is so that I can get votes in correctly.

[Zoomie8432]

And about unvoting?

[Zoomie8432]

Unvote:

[Zoomie8432]

With how they had changed their vote, I don't quite think they have anything big on themselves yet. I want to try and figure out stuff, as personalities like to show at times.

[Zoomie8432]

I do play a variety of games, so I may be afk at random times, as I want to focus on the game I am playing, as this game is a long game type, while the others are medium to short game type.

[Zoomie8432]

I see lots of info on that. Thanks for the reminder. I'll try reading some of it to catch up.

[Zoomie8432]

That's a bit sad, gerain.

[Zoomie8432]

Let's see who Thmoth gets replaced by.

[Zoomie8432]

I normally skim through, unless either I find important info or get interested. It's a habit of mine.

[Zoomie8432]

After all, catching up can be easy at times.

[Zoomie8432]

However, I do scroll through the posts a bit slowly to get some info. Memory is pretty good.

[Zoomie8432]

My communications are down for a bit, so I should be able to respond in a few hours. Pc is taken, phone is dead.

[Zoomie8432]

Not to be picky on your spelling, but you do spell some stuff wrong. Like how you used you're instead of your.

[Zoomie8432]

Not really, but I know that rolecall will have to come into play sometime.

[Zoomie8432]

Right now, ark does have some things that does have him as a scumread, so when he's back from V/LA, we may want info out of him. I wasn't informed about the situation back then, but that does tilt it towards him.

[Zoomie8432]

VOTE: Arkias

[Zoomie8432]

I hadn't gotten fully through the entirety of the forum, so I had some issues with him when I read through. However, other problems with him earlier on, like how TW's L-1 leasd to Thomth having pressure on him I most certainly agree with you that at least one of the people on Thmoth is scum, but the amount is uncertain. They may have been on TW at first also.

[Zoomie8432]

Oh, and @Karnage. How long would it have to take before you do take someone from the queue, if you can't find a replacement fast enough?

~unfortunately I don't think that's an option. Stealing players from the queue is done when a player from the original player list doesn't confirm their role PM.

[Zoomie8432]

To be honest, a L-1 this early on could easily be coordinated by a scum duo, one being at the middle of the boat, as to prevent them from getting suspicion easily. As for thmoth's pressure, he had a lot of posts that cleared him up easily. Right now, scum are wanting to see if someone does have a slip up early on to take point of it.

[Zoomie8432]

I also just caught back up with the posts. For the most part, I really haven't done anything, but I had to clear issues on me at that point. Now that it's cleared, I can actually help the town out without misinterpretation.

[Zoomie8432]

Right now, Ark, but you got some issues of your own.

[Zoomie8432]

While pressured, he may clear up his case somewhat well. However, I do find that in his time left to his own actions, he does have some scummy actions.

[Zoomie8432]

I know being submissive is a issue in some of our parts, but 271 is a bit much. He could have had some specific problems, even outside of bad play.

[Zoomie8432]

So, Alexcellent is at L-2.

[Zoomie8432]

Oh, nevermind. You already voted for him before. Best to remember votes stay on the player, regardless of replacing.

[Zoomie8432]

Btw, I replaced Faustiv.

[Zoomie8432]

We can't get info out of Ark yet, since of his V/LA. However, I would definitely want info about all of the responses.

[Zoomie8432]

Btw, I am still confused about how you can add older posts to your post to respond.

[Zoomie8432]

Cool, this started quick.

VOTE: Uncrowned

I would vote the worst, although I don't really want to put him at L-1 so early.

Okay, my thoughts on things.

People have shifted a bit, but I'm more or less in the same position.

My townreads from top to bottom are this:

Creature
Thomth
Arkias
Uncrowned
The Worst
everyone else

Creature is mostly a meta thing. In a previous game of mine, my scumpartner killed him because she said he was pretty easy to tell if he's town, and my feeling is that he's town. I'm going to assume he's not playing crazy mind games.
Thomth I've discussed before, nothing to add here.
Arkias I'm liking more after he unvoted. I don't think that he would need to reconsider so quickly as scum, and could keep his vote there if he needed to think of his next possible target, or moving it to someone else if he had one in mind.
Uncrowned, I liked him initially, but I haven't really been looking too much into his recent posts, I need to revisit him.
The Worst is someone who I also liked initially, but I'm somewhat put off by his excessive helping of newbies. I think it's possible that it's a thing to subtly improve their opinion of him. It's not necessarily scummy, though, as this is a newbie game. TW, do you have a town game where you do this you could link to?

Now, among the others. I mostly feel like both Ldog and Geraintm were angling for an easy lynch on Thomth. And Zoomie hasn't really done anything, in my opinion. I would be okay to lynch Zoomie right now, but at the moment I'm not really too enthusiastic right now. I'm going to look back Geraintm in the morning and evaluate if I should be moving my vote there instead of Ldog, I'm not really sure and I'm kind of tired right now.

Ldog, could you respond to 259?

Now, let's look at the votes and positions. For this, I'm going to assume my 2 top townreads (Creature and Thomth) are town.
I would love to say that scum is in those 3 people I'm most suspicious of, but I don't feel too strong about it.
I do 100% think that there is scum that was on the Thomth wagon. I think it's most likely 1, but possibly 2 (if it's 2, that wouldn't necessarily mean it's Geraintm and Ldog, Arkias could be there and it would explain the unvote).
I also think there is something going on with Uncrowned and TW and it's possible there's scum in there, but at most 1. I really need to look at them again, though. I think they're both being moderately townread, and it would not benefit a scum Uncrowned to go and try to discredit his scum partner in such a situation.
Zoomie is hard to read and could really be scum with anyone of my suspects, though.

Lots of this is very telling about NaCl, but all of the reads have been much different. You've had some mistakes in there, but the reads I am getting on you after a thorough review, as the weird vote explanation, to all of the townread explanations on their tier. I'm afraid this is a L-1 for you. VOTE: NaCl

[Zoomie8432]

A meta can't just be followed. Some people have a very good way of hiding their own. I can't really agree with it however, since of how I haven't played with him before. TW has some really good stuff with him, so I know he's fine.

[Zoomie8432]

Ark has quite a bit of scumread on him, especially on 271. However, you not realizing that earlier may have lead you to either hide it, or just forget.

[Zoomie8432]

I forgot about details for a moment. Sorry. Lots doesn't settle well, plus why didn't you ask me back then for more about the first L-1? I had remembered that the L-1 is a issue for lots of people, but I was confused why you really didn't go for the L-1, and went for Uncrowned at that point. If I get a newer list, that may let me get that fixed.

[Zoomie8432]

Let's wait for the rest. See if they have anything to assist or worsen it.

[Zoomie8432]

I can see where you're coming from on the suspicion on me, NaCl. I am normally more of a confided player, as I like to burst at times, but only if I have something that may help, or if I am confident. I may want to break out of that habit sometime soon.

[Zoomie8432]

With how things are, It's primarily since of how early game was placed, as the vote on Uncrowned was for no reason at that point, and I really don't know why you have Ark as a townread, although we have explanations as to how he may still be scum from all of this, as he was submissive in 271. That submissiveness at first in my eyes was fine, before I started to read between the lines. There was more to his unvote than thought. Based on how he said it was bad play, I don't think it was exactly just that. He may have some actual reads off of him at that point, outside of it, even though Thomth was confirmed town in that by most players eyes.

[Zoomie8432]

Sometimes, reading into detail is important for not just one person, but for the whole town.

[Zoomie8432]

One more thing. Just because creature can be very town-telling if he's town, he may still be scum even after. People have really good ways of blending in. Never get into a meta on a single player.

[Zoomie8432]

Heh. Sometimes good minds think alike, eh TW?

NaCl, right now, I can tell that creature has good reads of town, but if you and some others just created a meta like that, he can abuse that meta. Gotta know at times when the meta can be your own demise. I do mention parts I disagree with, but it's since of how things are. I can't always have details just be found as one way. Taking it as face value can be a issue if we have them actually as scum.

[Zoomie8432]

Try to think of both perspectives out of this. Could be scum, or town out of this? Both have strong support to them, but I'm leaning more towards scum.

[Zoomie8432]

Both of his votes at the time I am afraid didn't get any explanation or traction. The thing with Thmoth setting TW to L-1 so people could aggro on to him after the discussion was actually somewhat important for this, as with his scumbait. I would however, like a explanation when he comes back to see why he voted Thmoth in the first place.

[Zoomie8432]

Ohhh. You mean creature.

[Zoomie8432]

I forgot to space some stuff out when I was putting that in. The little disagreements was about Ark, not creature. That was my bad.

[Zoomie8432]

Creature is a good townread to me for now, however I am a bit weary either way with that meta you mentioned.

[Zoomie8432]

Now that we got you cleared up, Ark is another strong issue with us. I'll get to why I voted on him later. Gotta head to school. VOTE: Ark

[Zoomie8432]

It's surprising how fast the trolley went to L-1. Anywho, I also explained a lot of the reasons why Arkias is bad to me at NaCl's trolley, or when I voted Ark in the first place. If you want, I can recall em.

[Zoomie8432]

To be honest with a quick L-1, I do think there is scum on this one. I wouldn't too easily however be off of him. The info does tell that he may be scum. To be honest, this may be self incriminating, since a lot of info was out of me, but bussing may be in play.

[Zoomie8432]

LdoG is the most likely out of it. I'm gonna explain soon, school is a mean one.

[Zoomie8432]

Sorry for the wait. LdoG is in my opinion scum, since of his very weird reactions to quite a few people. He did put himself in varying perspectives, which I can like yet dislike at the same time. The OMGUS was confusing though, but it makes sense when cleared up a bit.

[Zoomie8432]

Why do you want me, TW? I was at a event, so I couldn't chat for a bit

[Zoomie8432]

Uncrowned, you are right by the way on how I wasn't explaining why I had town reads on you two. I should make a list, for each person on my reads.

[Zoomie8432]

Forum mafia is just so new to me on it, so strategies are way different.

[Zoomie8432]

I'm just standing on guard, so I could discover some tricks from the SE, and other players. I can actually learn quite a lot from you guys, and see more fleshed out strategies.

[Zoomie8432]

The list for learning how to play well isn't always accurate.

[Zoomie8432]

Can you throw me a super quick summary of your reads rn? Tiered?

Townreads
Weak town
Null
Weak scum
Scumreads

^^ something like that

You got it, TW!

TW/Uncrown
AlexC/NaCl
Ldog
Ark/Gerain
None

[Zoomie8432]

NaCl is like that since we didn't counter his FN claim at all, so it is making sense to me on that part that he may be FN, he may be not. Not enough to put him on strong town however.

[Zoomie8432]

I had to balance some stuff out, since of how everything went with it. I will update this when Ark gets a new person, but it depends on personality.

[Zoomie8432]

Oh. My bad. I would put creature at the heavy townread right now, but it may change to light townread in the future. No strong scumreads are since of how I see it. I may have some changes in the future.

[Zoomie8432]

Ah, Gerain. When we got NaCl to L-1, Gerain didn't really say anything that was really about him at that point. I'm a bit concerned why he just suddenly went to his defence, without anything before that point. May have had that hidden at that point, but I'm actually confused about that. I'm going to see why this went on.
UNVOTE: Ark
VOTE: Gerain

[Zoomie8432]

I'm having long reply times, since of how I want to focus on other games at times, but this one needs constant viewing to make sure that things dont go badly.

[Zoomie8432]

I actually kind of like this new one. Has lots of statistics for each part. When backtracking, I didn't even exactly think of these, but he does prove a point.

[Zoomie8432]

Sorry about the afk length. Just had some things going on at school. And

@Karnage. I am going to V/LA starting from Saturday this week, until the start of Tuesday next week. Working on something special for my dad in that time.

~12/21 through 12/24 or 12/31?

[Zoomie8432]

12/21 they 12/24

[Zoomie8432]

Through*

[Zoomie8432]

It's important for me to prepare this, as I have never surprised my dad before.

[Zoomie8432]

Btw, why bait a Nk, if you didn't even get killed, Flavor Leaf? Some SE may be calling bluffs if so.

[Zoomie8432]

Or at least some non newbscum

[Zoomie8432]

Great point. Newer ones wouldn't have seen through. I actually got confused on it too. Now let's see if others got confused too.

[Zoomie8432]

I gotta sleep now. See ya tomorrow.

[Zoomie8432]

Right. Tracker. However, why did I see you go to TW last night, Flavor Leaf? I would like to know more.

[Zoomie8432]

Tossing TW out of the game was a good way to spread confusion, but it's really important to learn each other.

[Zoomie8432]

Now, care to explain that?

[Zoomie8432]

You put me to L-1 at school. A bit rude, but okay!

[Zoomie8432]

Zoomie when you're back I would like your reads. Who do you think is scum? Who do you think is town?

I'll explain later but L-1 is really pressing

[Zoomie8432]

I'll be right back here. I've got schoolwork here. Timezones is EST btw

[Zoomie8432]

Until figured out, my vote lays here. Last post until I have to stop for a bit.
VOTE: Flavor Leaf