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sorry - it's been chaos at work, which is where I do the majority of my posting. I've read nothing after the first 2 pages; but i will set aside some time to do so this afternoon. normally i can post at least once a day.
Farren feels far more genuine here than his tactically cool and composed scum game I witnessed. Post 33 reinforces this feeling for me.
In post 51, ArthurConyl wrote:Well it looks like Ph0enix voted Gyro back after Gyro voted him, but how come CheekyTeeky and PenguinPower voted for Gyro?
I
really
like this - shows a desire to understand people's motivations in order to figure them out.
In post 84, Gyro Zeppeli wrote:Being quiet or afk can usually be an indicative for scum.
... not during the first 48 hours. Waiting for a game to start can cause all kinds of lag. If the game had more substantial content, then yes, not getting involved would be indicative of .. something. But not on page 3 with only 4 people posting.
In post 96, ArthurConyl wrote:I'm not sure if this is scum behavior, either that or he's really eager to vote. It's also odd that he is totally certain that Cheeky is scum when he hasn't done anything to indicate that. Remember this is his first post and he's certain someone is scum and votes him. I'm voting for him until he explains.
VOTE: EspeciallyTheLies
This is fine. To clarify, I'm not "totally certain". But I like to go with my gut early on as it rarely fails me. There's someting off with Cheeky's posts and votes (explained further below). The only thing I was confident of at the time of my first post was that I needed to probe that more, hence the vote. I think it was rather successful actually. Multiple people reacted to my post which will give me a lot of information as the game continues.
In post 100, Farren wrote:I think Cheeky is Town. I like the poking and prodding attitude so far.
I think this is not at all a reason to townread someone with Cheeky's experience. It's super easy to ask questions and poke at people's posts. The truth comes in the result of that poking and prodding. So far I don't see any action coming out of that.
Gyro Zeppeli has been banned for a couple weeks, so you don't have to play with him anymore. I'll find someone else for the slot.
Yep. Saw that coming. Didn't I say he'd get handled one way or another? Cool.
In post 115, PenguinPower wrote:She's making an effort to actually sort people through questioning (e.g. not empty questions).
I guess I'm not seeing the same things you are. I see a bunch of empty questions, a lot of IC-ing, and not much sorting. Not many substantiated conclusions, if any at all. The vote on me, without allowing me any opportunity to respond to questions, says a lot.
By the way - do you often defend your townreads? Is that a common thing you do? Does this mean that you are strongly townreading Cheeky?
In post 113, PenguinPower wrote:What do you think of ETL and Gyro - or the slot that was previously occupied by Gyro?
Well I don't understand the votes on ETL. They've only posted once so far and don't seem like a new player so I can't imagine thats a sign of being scum and is probably just them being afk for real life reasons.
As for Gyro I think he's been suspicious from the start but thats just bc of his awkward introduction mistaking Phoenix for someone else which just snowballed. Now that he's banned I can't say I have a good read on his position in the game bc it was kind of all over the place. Will have to reassess that slot once its filled.
I... think I like this response? I'm trying to figure out if it's genuine or if it's scum-bias townreading everything.
In post 129, PenguinPower wrote:A replacement doesn't change his alignment, so if you found his actions scummy - to a point you were willing to vote pending answer - I don't understand what has changed in the interim.
I feel like you were harrassing Phoenix to unvote, without directly telling him to, and now you're harrassing him about his unvote. wut
It's just post after post after post from you defending Cheeky and my initial gut read on you was that you were probably town but this, regardless of Cheeky's alignment, is suspicious AF. Especially considering there has been no such "followup". Actively posting means nothing at the moment, especially if they are always an active poster.
In post 131, chazary wrote:Still unsure of the wagon on ETL though. What did they do? or is it for memes
I did the thing I always do, and made a definitive statement to see how people react.
In post 137, Farren wrote:I'd be shocked if ETL *and* one of her voters were scum. I'd be similarly shocked if ETL is Town and *none* of her voters were scum.
This is beautiful, and I believe the same, as far as one of my voters being scum.
In post 183, Mitillos wrote:Hello, person I have previously interacted with and who likes the best character from a great series!
Hallo! Yes the best. We are re-watching it again in honor of Odo.
I have the following questions: Is the Cheeky vote RVS?
Yes and no, but more no.
If not, could you explain?
I tried to put all my relevant thoughts on Cheeky's posts below.
Also, could you explain your apparent townread on Farren?
Very much gut based on tone, compared to the last game I played with him where he was scum.
This comment at such an early stage just pings me so hard. It's clear to me Gyro is a trolly aggressive player. I don't see anything in the interactions he quoted that are at all alignment-indicative. It reads to me like he's trying to set up a distance from a buddy.
In post 14, CheekyTeeky wrote:Hmmm. Leaning either SvS or SvT with PH0NEIX* being the townier of the two for OMGUSing if this is not early distancing.
EBWOP... Well this is a good start :/
This confirms that idea - a slip of the tongue. He went back and read it. I don't usually re-read my own posts unless I want to make sure they sound a certain way (i.e. when I'm scum...) If the reaction is genuine, and he genuinely decided that Gyro is the scum in the two, how do you make that mistake? It's unnatural.
I'm not sure if it indicates anything alignment-wise on gyro/phoenix.. thinking on that.
In post 23, CheekyTeeky wrote:1. SvT - Gyro is scum and trying to lowkey RVS in a way that doesn't draw attention and Phoenix really doesn't know who Gyro is or what ToS is and so votes for pressure.
2. SvS - Gyro and Phoenix feel pressured to vote early and decide to vote each other as a means to distance themselves early game. Perhaps Gyro slipped and they have discussed ToS in pregame scum chat.
I don't really follow this logic, which indicates to me it may be made up.
Because this...
In post 24, Farren wrote:The way I figure - Gyro's vote looks like standard RVS - with Ph0enix's clarification making it look like a case of mistaken identity. Voting for someone you know (or think you know) is NAI. Mistaken identity would be less likely to happen in an SvS situation if there was any scumtalk going on. Reduces the chance that it's an SvS interaction.
I personally thought the situation was pretty clear and NAI at all.
Then there's this. The great thing about forum mafia is that I don't have to be on the thread all day every day to be involved and engaged with the solve. This is purely and OMGUS vote as far as I can tell, which doesn't give anyone much information about his motives nor does it actually accomplish anything as far as figuring me out. Phoenix and Gyro asked directly, which makes sense to me.
In post 146, CheekyTeeky wrote:I need more from Arthur and ETL.
Gyro slot probably town.
Farren probably town.
Pp hard to say but I'm going with town.
Norman still hasn't posted.
Phoenix is a current scumread.
This feels fabricated to me. He's voting me but "needs more"? Clearly not since he feels I'm worth of a vote over Phoenix. And then so easily reading everyone who has been posting the most as town... lazy lazy. WHY are they town?
In post 155, CheekyTeeky wrote:you may be playing the shy newbie card as scum which I've seen before.
lolwat... he's literally a newbie. I didn't get the "shy" bit at all. This is garbage, especially as it came directly after Farren gave you an opening to do so.
Again, voting someone who isn't around to answer the non-questions you haven't asked...
Ok I'm all caught up. Here's where I'm at:
1) Mitillos/gyro
I did NOT like gyro, mostly for tone. Not at all AI unfortunately, and I haven't seen enough of Mitillos to say just yet. I do like the point of providing his initial impressions right off the bat, and it's surely a lot more nice looking than my catch-up.
2) Ph0enix
I should have more of a read on this person than I do. I just... don't. I've been mostly focusing on Penguin, Cheeky, and Farren. This is definitely a slot on my list to explore more deeply once I've got a handle on the more concerning slots.
3) ArthurConyl
I feel pretty strongly this slot is town, just based on how he's reacted to things happening in the game and his apparent drive to understand it. I feel like if he was scum he'd be getting a lot more coaching in the PT. He comes across as truly being solo here.
4) Farren
As I mentioned above, his game here looks and feels way more genuine than his last game, where right off the bat I felt he was "off". He seems far more comfortable here. I think that's a good sign.
5) Nomanssky101
Who?
6) chazary1
I think this could be prob-town.. another on my list to explore more.
8) CheekyTeeky (SE)
See my responses above. I think a lot of my read here, beyond the in-thread issues I've noted, also stems from the fact that I'm expecting a higher level of game play from this person, so I'm going to be scrutinizing it a lot more heavily, and in doing so am finding things that don't jive with what I would expect from someone genuinely interested in sorting people out. The OMGUS vote in particular rubs me the wrong way. There was no questioning of anything else in my first post at all. Of course I can see why other people are townreading the slot, but I would caution against taking things at face value. It's far too easy to ask questions and be active as scum and I don't believe that's alignment indicative at all. The tone has to be right and I need to see the person working things out in the thread and coming to conclusions that I'm able to follow, even if I don't agree.
9) PenguinPower (SE)
Initially thought she was town, I thought there was a lot of really good probing and putting people on the spot to get them thinking - this is different than Cheeky in that I see questions but not results. With Penguin, I could see the motivation behind the questions, there was a distinguishable purpose. The only issue I have here is the constant defense of Cheeky. That is very problematic for me, and pulls this townread deep into null territory.
TOWN:
farren, arthur
maybe town:
chaz, mit
penguin - i'm putting her here for the reasons above
dead null:
phoenix, nomans
scum:
cheeky
bleh. the truth is i don't feel great about this list and definitely need to engage more to get a better read on everyone else.
buuut... i'm v/la every weekend because I don't use the computer, so mobile only. I will try though, for sure. Please say things to me.
I quoted relevant sections I was responding to, and the whole thing is my impression of your posts. It truly felt a bit OTT otherwise I wouldn’t have mentioned it.
Arthur I also very boldly stated that I was sure Farren was town. Things could have been said about that. But no one cared to ask which I think is interesting. The fact that there is such an easy wagon on me and such vocal opposition to my scumread on cheeky speaks volumes.
Quickly skimmed for now as I’m quite busy today/tonight. First of
HI PINE!! <3
Secondly, to whoever gave me shit for PPs pronoun, pronouns change. I’ve been around this site for a long while and I have a great affinity for PP.
Third, I think Cheeky’s assessment of my catchup post is incredibly disingenuous and more of a misrep than she is tying to say mine is. I gave my honest thought process as I read posts. My first post was intended to gain reactions. I do it every single game. Go look at any of my past town games. Do some damn research. If you don’t like my style I honestly do not care because my methods work for me and I’m not changing them until I see I need to.
Farren, I was saying that if he was scum I’d expect less off the cuff posting. Coaching implies in a PT, which I even said in the post. Go look. I’m mobile or I would go grab it and show you. I am getting frustrated at the fact that people don’t seem to understand simple things such as the fact that my comment about cheeky setting g up a distance was a possible explanation for what I was seeing. Whether t is or not remains to be seen. I would think that was obvious. If I’m responding to a post and offering ideas it’s because I’m trying to figure out possibilities and hoping others will engage in the discussion.
Cheeky, you have not engaged me at all either so do not even try thathypocritial bullshit. I have asked plenty of questions for you to respond to, you have yet to explain anything I’ve brought up except to try to spin it into a case against me. How about taking responsibility for the actions that gave me the impressions I had in the first place? It’s a dodging technique and it’s not towny at all.
In post 258, Ph0enix wrote:Something's really bugging me when it comes to ETL. Unfounded accusation of PP, followed by what is to me an unfounded accusation of Cheeky as well, makes me want to put him in "possible scum" territory.
How the fuck is t unfounded when I SHOWED EXCATLY WHAT POSTS GAVE ME THAT IMPRESSION? Like who the hell are you to tell me what I’m seeing isn’t there? What are you even saying? Like where are you pulling this garbage from? Are you just making it up to sound like you’re involved and doing town things?
Also shame on you cheeky for throwing shade on me for wanting to get rid of gyro. He was toxic AF. If I was intent on pushing policy lynches I would have fucking voted him AND YET I DIDNT EH? but sure. Shame on me for mentioning it lol
In post 282, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Lots of people discussing how scummy I am and not voting me. That’s scum driven 100%.
I don’t care anymore. When I flip look at my reads please and stop being thickheaded.
Two things:
1) Is this an emotional outburst, or a genuine attempt to identify scum? I'm inclined to think the former - "lots of people" means more than one; you've already got a strong scumread on Cheeky (who is voting for you); there are only two scum in this game. "Scum driven 100%" sounds very much like hyperbole given the first three points. But if it's the latter, please list names - and then start trying to puzzle out which of your scumreads is wrong.
2) I have seen times in games where the correct course of action for scum is to stop caring. I have never seen times in games where it's the correct course of action for Town. If you're Town, take a breather. Chill. Come back later.
Everything I have posted has been honest and exactly what I was thinking at the time. My frustration comes from people treating me like what I’m saying is craziness when I have an excellent track record for Day Ones. Even if you didn’t know that it’s like no one has truly bothered to see my side of the conversation. I can’t work on a town bloc like that and fighting to be heard is far more effort than I’m able to devote.
My apologies @mod, I just have too much going on right now to give this game the attention and effort it deserves. Please replace me.
now things are getting interesting.