gobbledygook's Mini Normal Review, December 2019

[schadd_]

1 Ascetic Mafia Goon
1 Mafia Neighbor
1 Mafia Goon
vs
6 Vanilla Townies
1 Town Tracker
1 Even-Night Neapolitan Neighbor
1 Town Neighbor
1 Informed Townie (there is no roleblocker or jailkeeper in the game)

i would call this a little scumsided. ascetic is good against tracker, as the ascetic person can simply perpetrate the kill. i think the point of the informed townie is that there's the potential gotcha where the tracker (or, less likely, neapolitan) finds the ascetic and then the informed townie tells them: you weren't roleblocked that person is ascetic or something. i think that's a very small consideration - to begin with there is also possibility of rolestopper, alien and commuter; also it relies on everybody relevant surviving to a massclaim situation, and the ascetic not just immediately claiming ascetic which is a common thing

moreover if there is somebody informed "there are no roleblockers, rolestoppers, aliens, jailkeepers, commuters" and they see somebody claim ascetic it's possible they realize their role is supposed to catch out a mafia ascetic, and just claim a guilty on the mafia ascetic. or something

i would call the setup sort of scumsided without the mafia ascetic - generally in 10v3 with 3 goons (or 3 non-useful scum roles) you expect town to have the power of about 2 strong roles, so like, neapolitan and vigilante for instance. i'd say tracker is a slightly worse than strong role , as is a gated neapolitan. and then, i would describe the ascetic as power for mafia here, it's up to them whether they want to claim it and it is a pretty strong foil to the tracker. i don't think the inform is all that helpful for town as discussed, and neighbors don't generally provide power for either alignment to a significant degree (moreover: both of the neighbors are bad for the neapolitan)

i would call this balanced if, for instance, the town neighbor was a full vigilante in addition to neighbor

[schadd_]

So schad you’re suggesting making the other town neighbor a vigilante neighbor? Just so I have that clear

sure! feel free to suggest any other change you'd like obviously

also i hope my issue with the inform is clear

[schadd_]

Role stopper and alien require another mafia to claim too which makes it dangerous to tie two scum up like that. I personally find ascetic and commuter to be scummy roles and if I was in their position would not claim anything.

So in this case should I just get rid of the informed all together and add the vigilante?

re rolestopper / alien: there is always the possibility that one of those roles exists from scum that isn't claiming it but ascetic/commuter would probably be the safest claim yes

getting rid of informed & adding vig would be fine yeah.

[schadd_]

i dunno! i think just "informed townie" isn't used very often, usually if you want an inform that affects how a PR is used you will just give it to the PR. my instinct is that it would not be lynched much more or less than just a vanilla townie.

the vig can also be a neighbor if that's what you want (i.e., neighbor vigilante would be a legal role). you can also change the informed townie to vig, not a big deal - it would make the neapolitan slightly better if you add it to the neighbor (in fact, if the full vig thing bothers you then i would advise adding a 2-shot vig to the neighbor - i'm fine either way, full vig in a mini is not uncommon at all)

[schadd_]

good with me! rules, PMs seem fine.

slash pass