Plum's micro normal review, December 2019

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Primary: RadiantCowbells
Secondary: schadd_

[schadd_]

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[Plum]

Spoiler: Setup

• Town Night 3+ Doctor Mason
  *1
  
• Town Macho Mason
  *1
  
• Town Backup Doctor
  *1
  
• Vanilla Town
  *4
  
  
• Mafia Rolecop
  *2

Spoiler: Role PMs

Hello,

[PLAYERNAME]

. Welcome to

[GAME NAME]

.

Your role in this game is

Vanilla Town

.

Abilities:

• You have no special abilities.

You win when only members of the

Town

remain alive or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm with your role name by PM and make sure to read the game rules in the

game thread

before posting. Good luck and have fun!

Hello,

[Playername_B]

. Welcome to

[GAME NAME]

Your role in this game is

Town Macho Mason

.

Abilities:

• Mason:
  (Passive)
  You know that
  Playername_A
  is aligned with the
  Town
  . You may talk with them during Nights only here.
  
• Macho:
  (Passive)
  Abilities that would protect you from killing actions have no effect.

You win when only members of the

Town

remain alive or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm by PM and make sure to read the game rules in the thread before posting. Good luck and have fun!

Hello,

[PLAYERNAME_A]

. Welcome to

[GAME NAME]

Your role in this game is

Town Night 3+ Doctor Mason

.

Abilities:

• Mason:
  (Passive)
  You know that
  Playername_B
  is aligned with the
  Town
  . You may talk with them during Nights only here.
  
• Doctor:
  Once every Night you may target another player to protect them from one killing action.
  • Night 3+:
    You may use this ability only starting on Night 3.

You win when only members of the

Town

remain alive or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm by PM and make sure to read the game rules in the thread before posting. Good luck and have fun!

Hello,

[PLAYERNAME]

. Welcome to

[GAME NAME]

Your role in this game is

Town Backup Doctor

.

Abilities:

• Doctor:
  Once every Night you may target another player to protect them from one killing action.
  • Backup:
    You may use this ability only if another player with an ability named
    Doctor
    has died.

You win when only members of the

Town

remain alive or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm by PM and make sure to read the game rules in the thread before posting. Good luck and have fun!

Hello,

[PLAYERNAME_X]

. Welcome to

[GAME NAME]

Your role in this game is

Mafia Rolecop

.

Factional:

• Mafia Team:
  Your teammate is
  [Playername_Y], Mafia Rolecop
  .
  
• Mafia Communication:
  You may talk with your living teammates during Nights only here.
  
• Mafia Factional Kill:
  Once every Night, a living member of the Mafia may target another player to kill them.

Abilities:

• Rolecop:
  Once every Night, you may investigate a player to learn their role name.

You win when only members of the

Mafia

remain alive or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm by PM and make sure to read the game rules in the thread before posting. Good luck and have fun!

Hello,

[PLAYERNAME_Y]

. Welcome to

[GAME NAME]

Your role in this game is

Mafia Rolecop

.

Factional:

• Mafia Team:
  Your teammate is
  [Playername_X], Mafia Rolecop
  .
  
• Mafia Communication:
  You may talk with your living teammates during Nights only here.
  
• Mafia Factional Kill:
  Once every Night, a living member of the Mafia may target another player to kill them.

Abilities:

• Rolecop:
  Once every Night, you may investigate a player to learn their role name.

You win when only members of the

Mafia

remain alive or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm by PM and make sure to read the game rules in the thread before posting. Good luck and have fun!

[schadd_]

night 3+ doctor is only able to impact the game considerably in the event it is able to get a save on both night 3 and night 4 (or maybe, like, if mafia try to holster one night and use both rolecops to try to get credit for saving someone, or something) which is particularly difficult to do since they have to survive all the way to that point (very difficult - 2 kills and 0-2 rolecop checks are happening by n3. also towns on this site lately have been like "i have to try my hardest to mislynch this mason or else i will die in real life") and then get both of the saves right. oh right there is a backup doctor oops. still kind of hard for both of them to be alive, but if the backup doctor is somehow unclaimed at n3/4 then it's hard for the mafia to play around it

if they only get one save, that doesn't earn town any mislynches - maybe it just lets somebody survive and talk about the game for an extra day which isn't huge

outside of the doctor i'd say the setup is kind of scumsided and i don't think the doctor quite makes up for it. i would say it's probably closer to even if the mason doctor is just ungated - tough call though. if you really like the setup as it is i think it's passable

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah I think this is pretty scumsided in practice given that I'm not sure anyone believes the backup doctor claim.

[Plum]

Whoa, and here I was thinking this was Townsided. In an earlier iteration I had N3+ Mason Jailkeeper and Backup Jailkeeper instead of the Doctors. How does the setup look that way?

[RadiantCowbells]

It's

Functionally 2 masons 5 vt 2 goons which is slightly scumsided but scum have role cops

[Plum]

I mean I could tone down the Rolecops. I legit thought this was Townsided that's part of why they're there. But let me think a bit.

[Plum]

Lol I have an older version in my notes which is

Macho Mason
Mason Night 3+ Jailkeeper
Backup Jailkeeper
VT*4

Mafia Encryptor
Mafia Neapolitan

The idea was same as above, have two Masons, one with a power they can't use until late game, but if you lose that mason, you get an ungated version of the power, and in this case it's Jailkeeper which is quite powerful, especially in late game scenarios. How does this look to you?

[RadiantCowbells]

Late game jailkeeper is actually kinda strong unlike doctor :v

[Plum]

Yeah. I guess I was worried it was too powerful and retreated into the version I posted first with the Doctors. But are you saying it's too strong, or strong enough to work for balance depending on exactly what scum are given, power-wise?

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm just gonna pass the original

[Plum]

The version with the Doctors?

[RadiantCowbells]

Ya

[RadiantCowbells]

It's within standard balance range and if town clears the other doc it becomes townsidedish but within standard balance range in that direction

So overall seems pretty okay

[Plum]

Okay, just the first response was that it was pretty scumsided? And if it hinges on "do the Town believe a backup claim" I don't really want that to be the interesting thing about the setup per se, makes me feel like my setups trend really gimmicky. Idk now I'm thinking this setup idea would be better as a Mini with Jailkeepers or something?

[RadiantCowbells]

I agree that this is a kind of bad setup and I would prefer an entirely different direction

But I think the doc version is passable

Up to you where we go from here

[Plum]

Yeah, based on that I want to go in a different direction or scrap.

[RadiantCowbells]

How about

Mason
Mason 2-shot doctor
1-shot neighbourizer
Vt*4
Goon
Goon

[Plum]

Hi, I'm really sorry I haven't been here, I've been overwhelmed IRL. I may ask Micc to put me on hold in the Micro Queue.

[RadiantCowbells]

Merry Christmas if that's why you're busy

[Plum]

Lol Merry Christmas to you if you celebrate it but I'm observing Chanukah actually

[RadiantCowbells]

Happy Chanukah!