Micro 908: Micromence Vengeful (Misfire)

[RadiantCowbells]

Everyone unvote everyone, me especially.

[RadiantCowbells]

There is no way that in that extended pregame scum didn't sit and talk about how to deal with me and if they get a quickhammer on me, even if it takes two members, they are probably going to take it and they will be right to do so

[RadiantCowbells]

If we want to make this a meme game then fine but I'm taking this seriously a and if we're playing to win there's no reason to RVS.

Amrun I gotta say I get a lot of scunfeels from that opener because of both the vote on me and the attempt to spew me your buddy if/when you flip scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Better than having me lead on 3 scum in a row.

[RadiantCowbells]

Keep in mind that in high scum count games like this

It only takes 1 bad town willing to vote me to allow scum to lynch me and thus prevent me from leading on scum if scum all put me as a scumread or find some other excuse to be willing to vote me.

If scum don't vote me and generally position me as a scumread then eventually I will get a lynch that I want via attrition and once I've flipped one scum it becomes essentially impossible to go after me til LyLo and I can presumably end the game well before then

If scum put any serious thought into their approach to D1 they are going to all tunnel me and hope that they can get a townie to vote me. Even if it gives me an easy scum venge, they can talk their way out later.

2 scum because you're the third lol?

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm making the game all about me because the fact that I have 2 votes on page 1 including a naked RVS vote from someone who I have never encountered before (why did they choose me to RVS) is not a coincidence and I've explained why.

[RadiantCowbells]

Everyone complained I was making the game about me in baton pass when I pointed out that every single scum was voting Nacho for the baton.

[RadiantCowbells]

And I didn't start thinking this after the start of the game where it could be biased. I thought before the game that scum were all going to go after me and try to memelynch me super early or abuse paranoia and some sort of 'well he will venge scum anyway right' to deal with the fact that they can't NK me and they only need 1 town vote to lynch me. Then I enter the game with two votes, one of which is from a person that I altogether see no reason to be RVSing me.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not though. What do I have to do to show that to you?

[RadiantCowbells]

What am I doing now idgi

[RadiantCowbells]

If you absolutely must then let's establish that if I lynch town in a venge situation they shoot me. Otherwise I'm outside the lynchpool.

[RadiantCowbells]

But there's something profoundly wrong with the attitude that town ~must~ have some sort of autowin setup versus scum me to not be lynching me D1.

[RadiantCowbells]

I shouldn't need to have to barter what is effectively 50% EV if my reads are wrong to convince town that lynching me D1 is stupid because it won't happen if I'm scum and it's game losing if I'm town.

[RadiantCowbells]

"do you push me"

Clarify for me you're scumreading me right now?

[RadiantCowbells]

That's half-joking but man that's a bad reaction P1, especially for a setup like this where lynching townies gives us a revenge kill anyway as worst case scenario. If you're that confident in finding scum, you wouldn't react poorly to being pressured like that. You'd be confident in shooting acum with your revenge ability.

This is a really dumb post.

Correctly venging 1 scum does a lot less for town than correct lynching scum and getting to evens and gaining a mislynch.

It also prevents me from affecting future lynches.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm attempting to maintain a 75%ish town winrate and me getting lynched and correctly venging scum never gives town a 75% chance of winning the remainder of the game.

[RadiantCowbells]

I would prefer to have the game solved D1 before anyone gets lynched and I am completely capable of doing that

[RadiantCowbells]

If anything as scum I would care a shit ton less about getting voted because I would know that scum aren't going to quickhammer me and I should be reasonably confident in my ability to NOT get voted by all 4 town D1???

[RadiantCowbells]

If that's the trade off I have to make I have to

I think that I can hit scum ~80% of the time day 1 and win the game 95%+ of the remainder if I get that mislynch.

I would prefer not to. But people are irrational about me.

[RadiantCowbells]

If you choose to see it as such.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm saying that I think towns winrate is higher if they sheep me today and have me dayvigged if I'm wrong than it is allowing me to get mislynched because one town is being an idiot. I think that's objectively true. I think towns winrate is even higher if they sheep me and then don't vengekill me if I'm wrong but that's a tough sell in this lobby given that CT policy lynches me by default and several other players are going to be paranoid of me playing town leader as scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

I want to win this game and explaining why my actions are in service of winning the game is part of winning the game here. Am I wrong?

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean you know it's true and you also know it's not a scumtell for me and I think you would know better than to scumread me for saying that I'd prefer to be listened to and venged if wrong than not listened to or lynched without getting to set towns affairs in order.

I think that you're scum Karnage.

[RadiantCowbells]

You've been really weird around me and I'm pretty sure it's because you're scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Better than having me lead on 3 scum in a row.

shit my math is wrong. I was thinking 2 scum. disregard my previous post

Also there's this.

Not sure if I need to explain this further for the benefit of the newer players in the list but forgetting that there's 3 scum instead of 2 scum happens a lot from scum that think in terms of 'ok there's 2 other scum'

[RadiantCowbells]

I find it unfathomable that you would consent to venging me if I lynch wrong and then further push the matter calling me scum. Shouldn't forcing me to bus if I'm scum or die be good enough?

[RadiantCowbells]

And calling me out for AtE when you know AtE is like half of what I do as scum is also questionable but okay.

So now what Karnage?

[RadiantCowbells]

67 should read as compared to town, ie I resort to AtE a lot sooner as town than scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok...

[RadiantCowbells]

Nah honestly you stay I would have 0 regrets about not playing this game out.

[RadiantCowbells]

Sorry, RC, but that hissy fit was unwarranted. I generally think it makes you probably town, but it was unpleasant to read.

Can you explain what sets it apart from my interactions with Eth0s FYPoV?

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm trying to win this game. All of my actions have been in pursuit of that. I wouldn't characterize anything that I've done as a hissy fit, I've been reasonably calm and deliberate in my approach to this game. Karnage pushing me for stuff he knows isn't scum indicative is something that I should have a problem with. I haven't taken any sorts of jabs at anyone in this game. I get weirded out whenever I get into situations like this and people act like I'm being the bad guy without even approaching verbally abusing anyone or doing anything rules questionable. It sucks that Karnage wasn't enjoying the game and I'm not happy about that but I don't feel like I should compromise on optimal play because Karnage doesn't like me insinuating that my reads are good and can help town win games that town would otherwise lose when it's an objectively true statement.

Basically I'm not apologizing, I'm not even approaching an apology. If my approach isn't fun for anyone then I'll avoid playing in your games but I won't act like I've done something wrong when I haven't.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like it's not that I don't care that Karnage subbed out

I do and I don't like hurting people's enjoyment of games.

But the fact that we conflict in playstyle doesn't mean that I'm doing something wrong.

[RadiantCowbells]

If scum aren't trying to rush a hammer on me, no harm done and maybe interesting discussion results.

If they were and I let it happen I'm partially culpable for the loss that happens.

As town I try to play around as many paths to a loss as possible. That means preempting concerns like that before I get to L-1 and make sure that votes on me are hyper scrutinized.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't know.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean I didn't know before either.

There's a reason my approach was more so what do we do about this now and less kill Karnage with fire.

Unfortunately that isn't really an argument for me being town in this game bc as scum I wouldn't want to be someone's venge target either but I was trying to figure out why he was doing what he was doing.

I'm not totally null. I can see it both ways and I was hoping to see what chkflip does.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't like to give reads before I'm sure on them.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think it's very difficult to read fundamentally NAI emotions; I think that Karnage's emotionality was fundamentally sincere but that isn't an indication of whether he is town or he is scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't think he was lying about how he felt whether he's town or scum or I'd have seen it.

[RadiantCowbells]

Lovebird/Bbmolla you're giving me very little to read either of you off of.

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok here's how were gonna do this Lovebird

If you're still lurking in a redacted length of time you're dying period.

[RadiantCowbells]

You have 3 posts. You're lurking. You're my first priority read and you know that so I want you to produce content I can read.

[RadiantCowbells]

You have to unvote. That vote counts unless you take it off.

Is it the same paper as last time?

[RadiantCowbells]

Wow you're mean as fuck

[RadiantCowbells]

Cheekyteekys iso is insofar utterly devoid of town feeling content

[RadiantCowbells]

I also have a problem with your lack of comment on anything and I will probably end up lynching you for it if it doesn't change.

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok?

You should be worried if you're town though.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's super interesting that you're stating a null read on this slot, cow, when literally a page prior you were calling it scum for

several

reasons.

Interesting in what way?

Do you think that I'm scum for iti?

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok?

You should be worried if you're town though.

Why?

Because I don't townread you, and you're refusing to produce meaningful game related content that I can townread so what should I assume besides that you're avoiding the thread because you know I can read you?

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean I'm town so she shouldn't scumread me and she has objectively not done anything to deserve a townread.

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok chkflip

So what does it mean

[RadiantCowbells]

If I were your English teacher I would say you have correctly mastered the art of the point proof but you have no comment

[RadiantCowbells]

And calling me out for AtE when you know AtE is like half of what I do as scum is also questionable but okay.

So now what Karnage?

Also it's strange how you cut out the post that actually ties the two together, the one that shows I was presenting this information to Karnage and seeing what he had to say in return.

It's actually not the greatest look that you missed the most important piece of evidence that my later claim was true.

[RadiantCowbells]

The fact is I cannot read shitty scumreads on me.

Karnage had a shitty scumread on me so I couldn't read him.

So i tried a different approach of calling him scum and seeing how he would defend himself since I had a general picture of how he defended himself as scum VS town from our previous two games.

[RadiantCowbells]

What do you think of Cheekyteeky Amrun?

[RadiantCowbells]

That push on me is so bad that it actually makes me feel kind of nauseous reading it irl

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm just gonna give myself an early Christmas present

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't like playing with people who are voting me for out of game reasons Chkflip, and accusing me of subbing out to protect my winrate when I had caught multiple scum and knew that I had caught multiple scum is a joke. I've been voted in lylo by conftown and stuck around and until this game towns winrates in the games that I've left was higher than in the ones I stick around in from the damage I already did to scum.

Maybe you just aren't someone I want to play with and you made that really clear really quickly?

[RadiantCowbells]

Wanting to win isn't toxic and if you think it is you have a problem.

[RadiantCowbells]

I hope you feel good about yourself, cow.

Y'know, I didn't look at the setup.

I didn't look at the 4 pages.

I looked and saw the homies Amrun and BB. <3

But holy flaming fucking dog shit am I irritable after reading that.

You type with your Goddamn pinkies out, don't you, cow?

That's not the impression I got.

[RadiantCowbells]

Sure maybe he went after me for that reason then independently decided I was scum for the terrible reasons he claimed to but I don't believe that and I didn't want to have to think about that the entire game when I already had a yikes Christmas ongoing.

[RadiantCowbells]

Btw reminder to read the fucking scum PT

Scum talked about lol hammering me exactly when I say they did

Don't act like I'm being egotistical because I'm saying the truth