Micro 908: Micromence Vengeful (Misfire)

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It is I

RadiantTurkeyFeathers

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Not to be confused with GleamingSeaPuppy

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Page top by the way

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I am here to deliver a Christmas miracle

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I'm not leaving, though. Let's sort this shit out. I've already got 2 slots I'm rather confident in, so I think I'll be ready to make some moves very soon.

I am also ready to make moves

Slide to the left

Slide to the right

Criss

cross

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Amrun, your vote on me feels fabricated. I don't get the sense you were reading the game and understanding the context of the game at the time.

I think you just saw a post you could nitpick and went for it. You could've voted me for anything else, whether it be me putting a 2nd vote on RC so early, my interactions with RC, anything. Any of those would've been more reasonable.

To me, that vote gives me a sense that you're not really scumhunting here.

I actually completely misread your original quote to mean the opposite of what it was actually saying. My bad. You said “AT LEAST a little content” and I thought you said “little content” which was really inconsistent with your earlier posting where you seemed to scumread RC.

Clearly, I was distracted while reading. Trying to stay caught up during the holidays is difficult.

Unvote

because the entire basis for my vote was incorrect.

This is a lot of words for an unvote

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So if the townie vengekills wrong today we lose. Huh

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I'm having a good time with it, but the dismissive (to the point of being insulting) attitude you have to anyone who scum reads you is pretty grotesque. Vote stays.

I can kill you this game if you're scum, so I'm not worried.

"If you're scum"

Implying you don't think RC is scum yet.

Implying that... you should probably dislike a townie incorrectly trying to lynch you?

I don't get this.

Is he voting me? IDK, he's just bothering me to do something.

I would like Uncrowned to comment on Lovebird’s response to this. I think she misunderstood what Uncrowned was saying, but I don’t want to speak for him.

When one reads something as the opposite meaning of reality, I feel it requires a bit of explanation.

Does it though?

I'm having a good time with it, but the dismissive (to the point of being insulting) attitude you have to anyone who scum reads you is pretty grotesque. Vote stays.

This was an incredibly risky vote to place down. Why did you feel comfortable putting someone at L-2 when scum could easily quick hammer?

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I must be misinterpreting your post then. When I read “if you’re scum” from Lovebird, I think that she is saying she can read him if he pushes her or that RC pushing Lovebird means RC is scum which doesn’t quite make sense to me.

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TUUUUUUURK.

I'm sorry you replaced into a scum slot. The cow replacing out kind of pushes that further into red territory for me ngl.

It should actually do the opposite. RC has a habit of doing this as town as far as i know. He just did the same thing in a Newbie game I was in. It’s why I jumped at the chance to take his slot. I like playing town.

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=81414

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Replacing out as town to protect the "75% winrate" they wear like a fucking badge. It isn't real if you replace out at the first sign of opposition. I've run into that type before, though, so gobbs saying that doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

Ah, yeah. I'm hoping it's something that can be discussed post-game. I think losing and disagreements/misplays are part of the game, so it's a bit disappointing to see.

As far as I'm concerned though, right now I think that slot is town.

I just want it to be known that I did not say this was why RC replaced out, nor did I insinuate it was the reason. I don’t know why RC did it, I just knew I had seen him do that when he was town.

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No it isn’t.

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Merry Xmas Chk! From my home to yours

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So if the townie vengekills wrong today we lose. Huh

this is a scumpost

Still waiting on the explanation that this is a scumpost?

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Why do you think we will 100% mislynch today?

I don’t? I’m not sure how you come to that conclusion reading that post.

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Why do you think we will 100% mislynch today?

I don’t? I’m not sure how you come to that conclusion reading that post.

Are you ESL? The phrasing of “the Townie” versus “a Townie” is just odd

Hm that’s a fair point. I am not an ESL though.

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VOTE: Gobble

So anyone else put on a good amount of xmas food weight? I'm stuffed just like this turkey.

Mind explaining why?

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No. I think BBmolla’s reasoning for voting me is an overreaction to weird wordage personally. I don’t think it means I’m scummy for it. I’m mainly preoccupied that from any one townie’s perspective They have a 50\50 chance of catching a scum.

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I'll be honest, I thought the wording was a bit odd, but it's weak reasoning.

I don't really like BBmolla jumping on that.

I will say that of the two votes on me I think Cheekys is the worse one.

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I'll be honest, I thought the wording was a bit odd, but it's weak reasoning.

I don't really like BBmolla jumping on that.

I will say that of the two votes on me I think Cheekys is the worse one.

But mine is xmas themed do I not get points for that?
Seriously though the statement BBmolla pointed out felt like you were posturing. Have you not played a vengeful before? Why did you feel the need to say that?

I have not played a vengeful before. I was talking out loud when I made that post.

I’m curious what you mean by posturing? That seems like a bad description of any of my posts. What would
I be posturing about? I could simply lurk like the rest of the game and not say anything... instead I’m
Here trying to talk about something — anything. What about that is posturing?

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I don’t even quite get what would be posturing in this game... like 3 people are active. It
Makes no sense to use that as an argument. I want Cheeky to explain what they see as posturing because I feel like it’s a bad case filled with using the buzzword of posturing to justify the vote.

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I mean there isn’t really anything to scumhunt other than you and Chk right now.

Pedit:

If you believe so strongly in that then vote me

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Aside from posturing, how do you know we will mislynch today

You and BBmolla said this but I will repeat that my post does not state this in anyway. It can actually be read as a hypothetical to say if a townie IS lynched and vengekills wrong then we lose.

This is false as activity is nai as previously stated

I also disagree pretty heavily with this statement. Activity can definitely be alignment indicative.

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Gobbles/Uncrowned/Lovebird or nah?

I do like this solve.

Why Lovebird?

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I mean I am basically confirmed town by RC’s replaceout, but c’est la vie I guess.

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I do find it odd that Chk has been stoking the flames on a scumread on me.

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There's also a cow post that kind of strikes me as cow coaching Uc.

You think scum would openly coach in the game thread?

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I think cow would, yes.

And the basis for this opinion is what...?

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But you don’t find it likely that RC would replace out in arrogance to protect his wincondition? You said something earlier about that so you pretty clearly believe that’s a possibility yet you’re still voting me

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Have you read the game? What are your reads?

I do have some gut reads but I want to interact with people to get a better feel for them.

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I think Cheeky might be town though.

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"I didn't say RC replacing out makes me town"

Where did I say this or say anything like this?

I’ve been pretty consistent saying that RC replacing out makes it more likely I am town.

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It's only ten posts ago I don't understand how you missed that.

No. Point to my iso where I say “RC’s replace out doesn’t make me town”

Those are your words, not mine.

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I feel like you’re gaslighting me Chk. I am looking through my iso.

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I must be misinterpreting your post then. When I read “if you’re scum” from Lovebird, I think that she is saying she can read him if he pushes her or that RC pushing Lovebird means RC is scum which doesn’t quite make sense to me.

TUUUUUUURK.

I'm sorry you replaced into a scum slot. The cow replacing out kind of pushes that further into red territory for me ngl.

It should actually do the opposite. RC has a habit of doing this as town as far as i know. He just did the same thing in a Newbie game I was in. It’s why I jumped at the chance to take his slot. I like playing town.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=81414

Replacing out as town to protect the "75% winrate" they wear like a fucking badge. It isn't real if you replace out at the first sign of opposition. I've run into that type before, though, so gobbs saying that doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

Ah, yeah. I'm hoping it's something that can be discussed post-game. I think losing and disagreements/misplays are part of the game, so it's a bit disappointing to see.

As far as I'm concerned though, right now I think that slot is town.

I just want it to be known that I did not say this was why RC replaced out, nor did I insinuate it was the reason. I don’t know why RC did it, I just knew I had seen him do that when he was town.

I mean I am basically confirmed town by RC’s replaceout, but c’est la vie I guess.

These are all my posts related to RC’s replaceout. I never said his replace out doesn’t make me town.

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I just want it to be known that I did not say this was why RC replaced out, nor did I insinuate it was the reason. I don’t know why RC did it, I just knew I had seen him do that when he was town.

Two comma'd sentences that, when shortened with my 1337 English skills, read as:

"I didn't say RC replacing out makes me town"

Pedit: yeah, you and my

ex-wife

. Gaslighting hahaha stop it.

You literally removed all context to that comment which was in reference to you saying he replaced our to protect his winrate and also Uncrowned seemingly wanting to talk about that potential reason. That was also not 10 posts ago like you said... that was one of the earlier posts I made in this game after replacing in.

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I just want it to be known that I did not say this was why RC replaced out, nor did I insinuate it was the reason. I don’t know why RC did it, I just knew I had seen him do that when he was town.

Two comma'd sentences that, when shortened with my 1337 English skills, read as:

"I didn't say RC replacing out makes me town"

Pedit: yeah, you and my

ex-wife

. Gaslighting hahaha stop it.

So are you admitting you read it wrong then?

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The posts you quoted being snipped out neither changes, nor implicates a different viewpoint, then what you said. You're saying that cow replacing out doesn't mean you're town in that post. That's literally what you said.

Thats literally not what that post says.

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177 is me saying I do not why RC replaced out in response to you saying he replaced out to protect his win con and Uncrowned wanting to talk about that. 177 does not say “RC’s replace out does not make me town”


Cheeky/anyone can we have someone not attached to this read 177 and clarify for Chk that he’s reading it completely wrong

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W/e I’m vigging you if I die so I don’t really care if you don’t want to comment any further on it.

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"...I just knew I had seen him do that when he was town."

=/=

"I mean I am basically confirmed town by RC's replaceout..."

That's literally what both posts say.

They statements in and of themselves are not congruent with one another.

You are misstating what you originally accused me of.

You originally said that I said “RC’s replaceout out doesn’t make me town” which is the opposite of what I have been saying this entire game. Now you’re changing it to “I knew I had seen him do it as town” which is true but I said literally “it should do the opposite because RC has done this as town”

It’s very odd that you completely misread the statement originally but are still defending the point to maintain your ground and that is very scummy.

VOTE: Chkflip

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Chk misrepresented what I said to a strong degree. I find that very sunny. He is clinging to the misrepresentation now.

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You're spending the post (177) stating how my interpretation of his replace out [

to protect his winrate,

therefore making the slot town in my opinion

] shouldn't be why I read you as town.

The boldest is actually what 177 means. I didn’t want it look like I was saying RC rep’d out to protect his wincon because I like RC and I know he wouldn’t take kindly to people discussing his motive for repping out, especially one that says he did to preserve his winrate. The underlined is some “implied” reasoning you’re trying to attach to 177 which couldn’t be further from the truth because in 162 I literally said it makes me more likely town.

If you want to say 162 and my later statement of conftown do not mesh that’s fine. But that’s not the argument you’re making right now and your current argument is putting words in my mouth to fit your justification to vote me post facto.

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In a matter of 37 posts you went from "I didn't say RC replacing out makes me town"

==/==

"...I just knew I had seen him do that when he was town."

You moved the goal posts from your original argument. You originally said that I said “I didn’t say RC replacing makes me town” when I quite literally said “I had just seen him do that when he was town” which does not carry any subtext that you’re saying it does (I.e. that RC replacing out doesn’t make me town).

Moreover, I literally said that RC replacing out makes me more likely town before 177 in post 162 here:

TUUUUUUURK.

I'm sorry you replaced into a scum slot. The cow replacing out kind of pushes that further into red territory for me ngl.

It should actually do the opposite. RC has a habit of doing this as town as far as i know. He just did the same thing in a Newbie game I was in. It’s why I jumped at the chance to take his slot. I like playing town.

So it should be pretty clear that my 177 is not whatever bastardized version you’re trying to represent it as and it is in fact me stating that I did not comment or try to insinuate that RC replaced out to protect his winrate.

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UNVOTE:

I don’t want to end the day this quickly.

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I think the most interesting part about this game is that Chk isn’t even my strongest scumread right now.

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I’m really struggling to find the townies in this game and that is sad.

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Lb was RC right about you lurking

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Because RC is one of the best scumhunters on the site?

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Cheeky, what do you think of Lovebird?

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Uncrowned is one of more strong town reads

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Cheeky what is your thought about Amrun? You don’t really mention her in your iso from what I can see.

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BB what do you think of Lovebird?

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Why did you say ha?

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I’m at null on Amrun.
I still think Chk is scum, but my current theory is that isn’t The Godfather.

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VOTE: Chkflip

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YES BBMOLLA YES

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I think if Chk is scum Amrun decided to bus because I said I would vig Chk. It is interesting that when I let off the gas he backed off and went to Uncrowned.

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Ideally yes. I think BBmolla is town because he seems to be pushing original thoughts. I want to vote Amrun but she isn’t here to pressure. I did not like the way she unvoted and gave a bunch of information for the unvote. She wanted everyone to know perfectly well why she unvoted which I think only someone with a lot to lose like The Godfather would do.

I also thought she was playing around RC rather than truly form a bond with him. I think that was because she just won two scum games with RC and he would intimately know how she plays. When she voted Chk after I said I would vig him anyway, I felt like it was a bus (Amrun is not afraid of bussing) to try to get town credit from Chk’s death.

Honestly

VOTE: Amrun

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Well I know I’m town and thought your push on me was incredibly bad faith/revisionist history/misrepresentation, so... yes what I’m seeing currently fits with my theory knowing my alignment.

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Unvote because the entire basis for my vote was incorrect.

Oh this one?

Yes the entirety of 134 gives me scum vibes. It is almost entirely an explanation for the unvote

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Amrun has been my secret scumread pretty much since she posted that but then the holidays happened.

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Meta..? Where have I said meta?

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I mean that’s not meta how I use the word, but I guess you could call it meta? I find meta to be “Amrun lurks as scum” or something like that

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Hi Pk!

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Yes we just finished two scum games together so why would I choose to call him out on poor behavior and antagonize a volatile player? That makes no sense.

I don’t think you actually really did this. Your iso shows you trying to quell that fire once he started poking you about the comment you made.

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What gave you the impression that he would replace out?

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He’s burnt out of mafia. We talked about it quite a bit in our last few games as scum together.

I could also see him just getting really angry and raging through the thread and neither one I thought was good for gamestate.

You talked about it in your game chats or mafia chats?

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Hmm, reading through those mafia chats RC never said he was burnt out. Honestly it’s scary how well you and RC worked together as scum. I hope I never have to face you two on a team.

I just feel like you’re not scumhunting this game really. I’m upset that it happened so close to the holidays since I know you have a busy family life. It would have been easier for me to gauge your play. That said, in High Noon Mafia chat you told RC you normally play aggressive and would have to fake that as scum and you very much do not look like you’re being aggressive here. To be totally honest, I am more inclined to want you to be the lynch over Chk because if I am wrong about you I don’t think you would petty vengekill me and then we just lose the game. I think Chk would do that if I am wrong about Chk.

That said, I think Chk ignoring this game is scum indicative.

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Why do you feel more sure about Uncrowned than Chk/myself?

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I can’t push Pisskop because he thinks I do it every game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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I have a kill in mind and it ain't you, homie.

Did I kill your motivation to play? You seem less involved after we got out of the tunnel

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Why don’t you think it could be svs, Amrun?

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I can’t wait for Pisskop to vote me at the end of his catchup.
Death. Taxes. Pisskop voting gobbledygook.

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It was a sarcastic joke

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@RC I don't give a shit about your winrate and I'd be willing to bet nobody else does either.

omg be my spirit animal.


Gobbles, are you the RCslot?

Yes

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Story time? I feel like RC has history with everyone. He’s been around a long time and he has a lot of posts.

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Why the BBmolla vote?

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That doesn’t explain a BBmolla vote though..

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That is a fair point

VOTE: BBmolla

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the gross selfvote implies he's trolling for reactions/content, and yet . . . nothing.

MAYBE I'm wrong.

Explain to me how a Goddamn RVS self-vote getting no reaction/content means they're scum.

It is dangerous to self vote in this setup. It makes sense that a scum would be fine self voting because they know they won’t be hammered.

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gobbledygook will fucking vote anybody lmao

Damn straight. I still think Amrun is our best choice particularly when no one even wanted her, but so far this BBmolla wagon has produced the most content.

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I think objectively using the entire day phase isn’t always optimal or efficient town play.

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UNVOTE:

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elf-voting as an RVS vote, though?
With the cow freaking about about two votes??

How does BBmolla’s self vote relate to RC’s paranoia?

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There are 3 scum, right?

Why ask this question

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Yeah that’s a good point. I don’t know why RC wouldn’t say something about it other than he was caring more about his own safety at that point

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I think I’m about to recalibrate all my reads this afternoon

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This is sad. Rereading the early game Karnage/chk slot becoming one of my stronger townreads.

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I think this is scum after reading.

I’m not sure how I feel about Pisskop.

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

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I think my gut is that Pisskop is scum because lovebird was super scummy.

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Let’s get rid of Ms. teeky. She has RC’s blessing

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I don’t townread her and reading her case on me it looks really bad in hindsight

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I don’t really get a scumhunting vibe from her either

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I don’t townread her and reading her case on me it looks really bad in hindsight

gobbles <3

Why did you post this post?
Are you scum again pk

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I feel like you’re trying to pocket me because you’ve never interacted with this level of cloying behavior before... it is suspect

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I dunno. We’ve played in 2 completed games I think. One where you were town, one third party and you were standoffish towards me in both

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Huh? We get as many vengekills as long as we are in LyLo? So if we use venge correctly we get another immediately. If we lynch correctly and then mislynch we get a vengekill

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I think the strength of the player we lynch should be a factor im this

What do you mean by this?

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I have 0 knowledge of players to be able to even begin where to start down that path. Who would you say is a strong player?

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Cheeky is a strong player? I feel like that makes her lurking here scum indicative

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I think we should try to go for The Godfather. I’m not sure with this playerlist we can confidently lynch 3 scum. Too many inscrutable people for me personally at least.

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Amrun get pings me. If we get a mislynch I would probably like to use it on her or Chk.

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I mainly want Chk because I truly believe he tried to adjust his argument mid argument with me after I called him out for being wrong.

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Yes

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Less so because of Karnage. I think Cheeky is a safer bet now

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Her tone? What do you mean by that Chkflip?

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We are jealous of your time traveling abilities

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wut

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VOTE: Pisskop make sense or die.

Top5 posts I’ve read
A+

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Yeah but the out of left field randomness of it is hilarious

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VOTE: pisskop

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She has a read on you

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No l-2

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That's gonna be a no from me, dawg.

I'm just letting you know that unless Cheeky changes her tone or something that I don't see myself voting on that wagon.

Cheeky is all of the town.

Looks like we found The Godfather

VOTE: Cheeky

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Gobble, are you obfuscating your reads on purpose?

No...? Why do you think I’m obfuscating them. The only thing that shouldn’t make sense is the Pisskop vote and I did that because I wanted to see if he’d get lolhammered

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jesus goobers

Blame the peach bellinis ;_;

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https://damndelicious.net/2015/05/29/fr ... h-bellini/

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I refuse to believe all 3 of you is town.

BBmolla/Amrun/CheekyTeeky scum team?

Fuck outta here.

I mean I find it incredibly telling that there’s 0 mention of cheeky in chk’s iso who then says this and then says that she’s universally townread and won’t support her lynch

Makes you go hmmmmm

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mmmmm

Im jelly now. All I have is rum and work tomorrow.

So like the funny thing is I took my car into the shop today... I asked the lady working if they closed early today. She said no. I asked her if they were open tomorrow. She said yes.
Well 6pm rolls by and I don’t get a call. Check to see when they closed. They closed at lunch in honor of nye. They are also not open tomorrow. So look who’s drinking peach bellinis and not going to work tomorrow cause they can’t

This turkey

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Also fun fact peaches are like a natural... uh... laxative. So don’t go out without adequate preparation

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Vig: Amrun

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It sucks cause Amrun is definitely The Godfather but I am not super confident that Chk is scum or just really bad

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It’s someone who is lying low

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It’s ok scum
Amrun hammering me was a scum claim

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I like to punish the people who mislynch me

Now you have to work for it and I wash my hands if this loss
Unless Amrun is town lel

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ its nye my peeps

Start analyzing Amrun scum associations rather than bickering about a bird

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I like to punish the people who mislynch me

Now you have to work for it and I wash my hands if this loss
Unless Amrun is town lel

This was like obviously a joke but I guess the sarcasm isn’t conveyed via text

I just had a hard scumread on Amrun but was trying to find her buddies

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Chk probably scum with how Amrun approached that whole situation

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I get day 1 lynched like all the time but I am pretty accurate for scumhunting. People just don’t like honesty which is like a sad comment about humanity but oh well

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Watch Amrun not even be scum tho. Egg all in my face

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Noice

Amrun were you Godfather

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I mean like Amrun scumclaimed. I just hope I was wrong about Godfather but I don’t think I was

Need to learn how to not be lynched day 1 cause I am generally accurate

@rc do you do PayPal for lessons

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Amrun/Chk/cheeky could be the team I could see

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If Amrun and Chk are scum I think that makes cheeky less actually. Was a ploy to kill her maybe. Uncrowned/Pisskop is where the town should focus tomorrow

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For how bad at mafia I am, I'm remarkably not a d1 lynch very often.

This game gave me a rush tbh. I missed that.

Well at least we got you that old feeling! All is not lost

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Y’all trash

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hey chk remember when you lynched two town and I vengekilled the godfather? yeah, that's why I think you're bad :\

no harm no foul

[gobbledygook]

Thank you for letting me spectate. My accuracy is getting a bit better. Did not see the Amrun scum until the flip but pretty much got the other two correct.

RC was pretty blatantly town in this game and I think the gobble lynch was really bad.

Not really much you can do when scum turbolynched me

[gobbledygook]

I think it’s best that we just end the convo and you two avoid each other from now on. Nothing good can further come from this discourse. I regret making fun of Chk in the first place about being the only townie on two mislynches.