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I just now got my role PM because I’m a last minute replacement and I have no idea what is going on and I’m super tired. I’ll catch up tomorrow.- Amrun
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Holy fuckballs, Titus is town, and right.
Someone please tell me why we shouldn’t mass claim everything?
Massclaiming leaves us with dr vs mafia roleblocker, and phone operator.
That’s a 50% chance of lynching right and leaving us with a town confirm. I feel like that’s pretty good.- Amrun
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Hahhahahahaha I meant rolecop but I missed that the mafia rolecop is a neighbor too, so disregard entirely. I never read this set up ahead of time because I didn’t expect to be in team mafia at all.In post 204, Something_Smart wrote:
What?In post 201, Amrun wrote:Massclaiming leaves us with dr vs mafia roleblocker, and phone operator.
There isn't even a mafia roleblocker in this setup.
Massclaiming leaves the doctor outed and provides no further benefit.
Although I do think that, between them knowing their neighbors aren't doctor and the rolecop and people accidentally (or intentionally) giving away information, they'll know who the doctor is by D3 at the latest. So maybe we should mass neighbor claim on like D2.
Titus is still town though.- Amrun
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Why wasn’t this accompanied by a vote if you thought it was a scum slip?In post 117, Elsa Jay wrote:
Math... Hasn't commented in this game yet, but you claimed partners with Hectic.Titus wrote:Math's thoughts Nancy is town or scum with Elsa. Oka is lock!town. He's only read through page 1 though.
I'm not sure what to think on the strength of his reads.
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I’m conflicted about this post.In post 145, Elsa Jay wrote:Rereading the setup I realized something interesting. I guess I didn't pay too much attention, but since scum have a rolecop, and can automatically eliminate 3 people from being the doctor since they're neighbors with them, the Doctor has a way higher then normal chance of getting shot.
It reads very genuine, but i feel like this is a scum minded way of thinking about the set up.
Also, everyone addressing my post about claiming (pops, bob, whomever else) please don’t address it without addressing the immediate redaction. I don’t think we should mass claim at this juncture, though I’m not overly opposed to it either. My original thing was based on misreading a key aspect of the set up, and was immediately corrected.- Amrun
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Bob:
In post 207, Amrun wrote:
Hahhahahahaha I meant rolecop but I missed that the mafia rolecop is a neighbor too, so disregard entirely. I never read this set up ahead of time because I didn’t expect to be in team mafia at all.In post 204, Something_Smart wrote:
What?In post 201, Amrun wrote:Massclaiming leaves us with dr vs mafia roleblocker, and phone operator.
There isn't even a mafia roleblocker in this setup.
Massclaiming leaves the doctor outed and provides no further benefit.
Although I do think that, between them knowing their neighbors aren't doctor and the rolecop and people accidentally (or intentionally) giving away information, they'll know who the doctor is by D3 at the latest. So maybe we should mass neighbor claim on like D2.
Titus is still town though.- Amrun
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In post 284, pisskop wrote:
I know we were talking about scumslips and townslips and elsa earlier. This would qualify as a potential scumslip imo.In post 145, Elsa Jay wrote:Rereading the setup I realized something interesting. I guess I didn't pay too much attention, but since scum have a rolecop, and can automatically eliminate 3 people from being the doctor since they're neighbors with them, the Doctor has a way higher then normal chance of getting shot.
I already noted that I think this post could come from a scum mindset, but how is it a scumslip?- Amrun
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That is why I was pointing it out to those talking about it.In post 286, bob3141 wrote:That isnt a clear redaction. It 3 words placed in middle of sentance. When quoting another persons post.
You were best of quoting your original offending posts with disregard entirely.
Otherwise no one but smart would notice
But I would assume people would read it, since it was approximately two posts later. It wasn’t spread out at all.- Amrun
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Bob, why argue about that anyway? Seems pretty semantic-y. Got any reads or just set up talk?- Amrun
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Yeah but that’s not at all what I was thinking about when it came to the setup. Were you?In post 298, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
I don’t understand why Elsa’s post is scummy at all. I mean that does make sense doesn’t it? Scum do know obviously that at least two town can’t be doc and rolecop can confirm another player, right?In post 288, Amrun wrote:In post 284, pisskop wrote:
I know we were talking about scumslips and townslips and elsa earlier. This would qualify as a potential scumslip imo.In post 145, Elsa Jay wrote:Rereading the setup I realized something interesting. I guess I didn't pay too much attention, but since scum have a rolecop, and can automatically eliminate 3 people from being the doctor since they're neighbors with them, the Doctor has a way higher then normal chance of getting shot.
I already noted that I think this post could come from a scum mindset, but how is it a scumslip?- Amrun
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Can you explain this post re: Titus?In post 300, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
He also said in Excalibur that you don’t joke as scum. I’m still the most suspicious of DDL/Hectic but if Titus thinks he’s scum, I’ll probably switch my vote.In post 289, Krazy wrote:
Oh nice, that should confirm me as town then :3In post 280, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Auro doesn’t like Krazy’s opening.- Amrun
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Idk, maybe it doesn’t. It’s not a smoking gun. But I had given ZERO thought to a strategy scum might use to doc hunt. Absolutely zero. Not sure why town would really think about this in this way.In post 303, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
I just don’t understand how this post comes from a scum mindset?In post 299, Amrun wrote:
Yeah but that’s not at all what I was thinking about when it came to the setup. Were you?In post 298, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
I don’t understand why Elsa’s post is scummy at all. I mean that does make sense doesn’t it? Scum do know obviously that at least two town can’t be doc and rolecop can confirm another player, right?In post 288, Amrun wrote:In post 284, pisskop wrote:
I know we were talking about scumslips and townslips and elsa earlier. This would qualify as a potential scumslip imo.In post 145, Elsa Jay wrote:Rereading the setup I realized something interesting. I guess I didn't pay too much attention, but since scum have a rolecop, and can automatically eliminate 3 people from being the doctor since they're neighbors with them, the Doctor has a way higher then normal chance of getting shot.
I already noted that I think this post could come from a scum mindset, but how is it a scumslip?- Amrun
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I took your original post to mean that you were going to intentionally vote the opposite of Titus. I guess not.In post 309, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Titus claimed Hectic as her neighbour, so maybe she has inside info that can help us better sort him.In post 304, Amrun wrote:
Can you explain this post re: Titus?In post 300, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
He also said in Excalibur that you don’t joke as scum. I’m still the most suspicious of DDL/Hectic but if Titus thinks he’s scum, I’ll probably switch my vote.In post 289, Krazy wrote:
Oh nice, that should confirm me as town then :3In post 280, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Auro doesn’t like Krazy’s opening.- Amrun
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@Nancy: That is not at all the context I think Elsa Jay’s post was made in. But it’s not impossible.- Amrun
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I’m not pisskop but I’ll take that offer anyway.
VOTE: Elsa
Easily the most vote worthy so far- Amrun
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Why is she town?In post 324, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
She’s town, trust me on this.In post 322, Amrun wrote:I’m not pisskop but I’ll take that offer anyway.
VOTE: Elsa
Easily the most vote worthy so far- Amrun
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Yes so far but I think it might be from quite awhile back.
I guess she just felt good about him idk.- Amrun
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In post 382, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:@Titus, if you’re seriously going to follow Math’s reads, then I will be advocating PLing you in every game we’re in. Not joking.
This seems really excessive and unfair. This is team mafia, and it’s her actual brother.- Amrun
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In post 453, Eddie Cane wrote:
Yes, pressure will be very effective on somebody with almost no internet. Scare me out of airplane mode!In post 347, Krazy wrote:
piss was arguing for pressure there even if it wasn't a full scumread so I was responding to thatIn post 342, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I don’t think anyone is currently sr Eddie?
Beetlejuice beetlejuice- Amrun
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If S_S is scum, bob probably isn’t.In post 522, bob3141 wrote:In post 256, Something_Smart wrote:I don't think scum-bob would have any difficulty making that post?
I find this a little weird. From its chronology I can only assuem you were responding to nan posts. Where she questiosn hectic vote. A posts that does not imply she a town read on me but that a it stands she couldnt see anything scum indicative so far. Which is far cry from some thinkign that post looks towny. What she said is she liked my doc comments. Which is different from town reading those comments. But instead reading them as value to town
But you first response is to shout (paraphrased)" oh but scum bob could make that post"
I could understand this if it was accompanied by something you claimed to have seen that resulted in you scum reading. But there is no comment on my alignment in your post.
So im trying it hard to see the purpose of your post
I just cant see you making that post if you didnt already have scum read one me. Unless you were scum trying to shade what i said.
Factually, though, S_S is right and bob is easily capabale of that as scum.- Amrun
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I literally have never read a post of Hectic’s, ever, that I don’t find to be scummy.
I find him scummy here too. Just not sure that stops him from being town??? Still probably higher than rand scum so completely fine with a lynch on that slot.- Amrun
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Ok so ... skitter and I just had some serious conversation and we’re coming in hot with the spice vote.
VOTE: popsofctown
Your vote on Something_Smart and the timing of it and reasoning behind it is bad.
NaCl is on the short list too for a bad Eddie vote.- Amrun
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Skitter thinks the Hectic posts that pinged me is antitown but NAI for Hectic. I’d still like a better read on Hectic so I debated delaying this vote but y’know, fuck it. My vote should be on the slot I most think is scum.- Amrun
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She thinks S_S is super obvtown and that popsofctown should know that. Basically the entirety of it centers around post #534. She said she’d vote for that alone and ultimately I have decided to do just that.
534 pinged me but I don’t know pops very well so I was going to take a “wait and see” approach but skitter’s confidence gave me some of my own.- Amrun
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We have a couple games that haven’t finished but they weren’t what I was referring to anyway. We do have Radja’s game finished where you were in a hydra. I fully intended to mislynch your slot there but town vigged you first.In post 624, Hectic wrote:Remind me where have I played with you before, Amrun.
But I’ve been reading a lot of different games as a Scummies judge and trying to re-familiarize myself after my absence.
Pine strikes me as town so far.
@pops: I don’t like the insinuation that I don’t have my own reads. I have clearly delineated my reads from skitter’s at all times. She didn’t even catch up until last night. It was just when she had time. She has a few that I haven’t shared since they weren’t excessively important and I hadn’t formed my own opinion on them (Nancy scumlean, Krazy townlean, Oka town, I’d have to review the convo for the rest). I do agree with Oka town at this point but I personally have zero read on Krazy. My point is, if I were scum trying to fabricate a read, I had no reason at all to even reveal skitter’s read, especially in that specific way.- Amrun
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She wrote it all out in detail for me to share here since this question was asked.In post 612, Eddie Cane wrote:Amrun, ank wants to know skitters specific thoughts on Pops please.
Here’s the gist of it:
1) she doesn’t like that pops sided with NaCl on his poor Eddie vote when SS was bickering about it. SS made a valid point about Eddie being on vacation so it was essentially an empty vote anyway.
2) Pops voted SS for how he engaged w/ bob’s pressure, but SS was correct in his argument with bob and whatever pressure he was receiving she felt he acted in accordance with town behavior for him.
3) She doesn’t like the vague meta reasons pops is using.
In addition, after the vote response, she doesn’t like the reaction and how pops is trying to say she only came in because I needed help, which I didn’t.
I agree with all those reasons and I specifically noted 2) prior myself re: SS being correct on bob.
pops, skitter would like game references and preferably post references from games that show S S scum game is similar or especially that his town game is dissimilar.- Amrun
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Oops she didn’t want post numbers anyway, I messed that up.
She more wanted you to articulate the reasons why S S is behaving differently and then based on what game.- Amrun
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Or, X behavior is similar to Y game, where he was scum.- Amrun
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As for me, I was using my vote to add pressure, not because I was convinced that Hectic was scum, which was obvious.
I seriously considered waiting for Hectic to react before changing my vote but I was impatient. This doesn’t bother me.- Amrun
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Do you have any votes on you? I don’t think so.In post 636, popsofctown wrote:How is your vote on me more useful? Assuming without granting I'm a player that's very sortable with votes on her, very few votes have accumulated on me but Hectic had several.
From my POV, you succinctly summarized why pressure on you is more useful than pressure on Hectic. So, not sure what to say to that.- Amrun
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I think it depends on gamestate.In post 638, popsofctown wrote:Most people would adopt the school of thought that pressure votes improve utility superlinearly as they accumulate. I'm willing to buy you're in the minority in your thinking on that if you say so, though.- Amrun
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Can you read the reasons from skitter & I and see what you think?- Amrun
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For what reason(s) do you disagree, though?- Amrun
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Nancy has played with Elsa before. I haven’t. I HAVE played with Nancy before. It was an attempt to help me sort them both.
Nothing caused me to unvote Elsa. I just found a better home for my vote. I didn’t retract anything I said previously. My feelings about it weren’t overly strong, but it was the strongest feeling I had in that moment. I have stronger feelings about pops now.
P-edit: I changed my vote because skitter and I got on discord and talked extensively about this game. She has more experience with most of these players than me, including Hectic and Pops. I’ve never played with pops before IIRC. She said that what was bothering me about Hectic was more likely to be NAI, and more importantly, she firmed up a background feeling I was having about pops. I was pretty explicit about this already. I don’t know why I have to rehash it.
I’m still fine with pressuring Hectic. I just also want to pressure pops.- Amrun
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I thought all meme posts + no content was scummy for Hectic but she said it could come from him as town. It’s not a townread from either of us. It wasn’t this big “unvote Hectic” plan but instead was a “shake things up and vote pops” plan.In post 667, bob3141 wrote:In post 665, Amrun wrote:Nancy has played with Elsa before. I haven’t. I HAVE played with Nancy before. It was an attempt to help me sort them both.
Nothing caused me to unvote Elsa. I just found a better home for my vote. I didn’t retract anything I said previously. My feelings about it weren’t overly strong, but it was the strongest feeling I had in that moment. I have stronger feelings about pops now.
P-edit: I changed my vote because skitter and I got on discord and talked extensively about this game. She has more experience with most of these players than me, including Hectic and Pops. I’ve never played with pops before IIRC. She said that what was bothering me about Hectic was more likely to be NAI, and more importantly, she firmed up a background feeling I was having about pops. I was pretty explicit about this already. I don’t know why I have to rehash it.
I’m still fine with pressuring Hectic. I just also want to pressure pops.
So what did you see that after talking with skitter that you now consider to be NIA- Amrun
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I literally didn’t even mention a read on you in this post. That was Skitter’s read.In post 684, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
I’m really shocked at this Amrun, I thought you could read me better by now.In post 625, Amrun wrote:
We have a couple games that haven’t finished but they weren’t what I was referring to anyway. We do have Radja’s game finished where you were in a hydra. I fully intended to mislynch your slot there but town vigged you first.In post 624, Hectic wrote:Remind me where have I played with you before, Amrun.
But I’ve been reading a lot of different games as a Scummies judge and trying to re-familiarize myself after my absence.
Pine strikes me as town so far.
@pops: I don’t like the insinuation that I don’t have my own reads. I have clearly delineated my reads from skitter’s at all times. She didn’t even catch up until last night. It was just when she had time. She has a few that I haven’t shared since they weren’t excessively important and I hadn’t formed my own opinion on them (Nancy scumlean, Krazy townlean, Oka town, I’d have to review the convo for the rest). I do agree with Oka town at this point but I personally have zero read on Krazy. My point is, if I were scum trying to fabricate a read, I had no reason at all to even reveal skitter’s read, especially in that specific way.
Also of note, skitter doesn’t think Pine is towny so far, rereading my own post reminded me to mention.- Amrun
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Halfway through this catchup, my son woke up with a fever of 104.6 so even though I read eberhjbng past where I last commented I’m not processing it. On the way to the ER. Sometimes when they’re doing testing on him I like to withdraw into distractions and sometimes I can’t concentrate on it so depending on how today goes I might be disconnected.- Amrun
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So was somewhat of a false alarm, all good. I don’t feel like catching up right now though. Sorry to alarm everyone.- Amrun
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Yeah RC is not on my team, sorreeeeIn post 712, Titus wrote:
Fuck.In post 709, popsofctown wrote:
They're different teams although you're making the case for why maybe they should have rejected the troll name that MathDino's team used.In post 707, Titus wrote:
Amrun and him are on the same teams. Check the first post in each thread. Both have the word Gap.In post 703, OkaPoka wrote:RC isn't on any team here
Never mind Amrun. Well there's some suspicion that goes away on that slot.- Amrun
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Yassss queenIn post 810, OkaPoka wrote:or rather, why so many people are townreading nacl- Amrun
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Would also like the answer to this questionIn post 813, pisskop wrote:Why would RC and Amrun being teamies affect your read of amrun?- Amrun
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Pops is still scum, Eddie is even more town.In post 914, OkaPoka wrote:this is very good actually
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<elsa,nacl,ddl,bob,amrun> to take sides and comment on this- Amrun
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Also I’m posting from my son’s hospital room so like. If my battery dies before my husband gets back, I won’t respond for awhile- Amrun
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Don’t get me wrong... I’m kinda pissed you did that though.In post 944, Eddie Cane wrote:WOO- Amrun
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I find the fact that he is seeking to engage with me on purpose to be +town points for bob.In post 951, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
What about Bob?In post 943, Amrun wrote:
Pops is still scum, Eddie is even more town.In post 914, OkaPoka wrote:this is very good actually
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He didn’t do that last game and I nailed him. Bob is really smart so I’m reserving final judgment but scum bob could just choose to engage other players instead, pretty organically, rather than someone who just pegged him as scum within the last month.- Amrun
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Not caught up but that caught my eye, will return later.
Baby got discharged so I’ll be home with toddler for a few days. Depending how much he sleeps could be harder to post, or easier- Amrun
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He boycotted sleep at the hospital so mommy is tired now but perhaps he will sleep extra tomorrow- Amrun
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Why did you ask me in particular about bob?In post 1008, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Okay thanks, maybe it was a leap for me to jump to him being Hectic’s partner in event of a potential Hectic flip. What bothers me the most is that, Hectic had to know that likely at one person would be confused by his fake doc post and Pine commented on that too. However, what bothers me is that bob seems to be implying that no one would have that reaction, because of Titus’ claim and I obviously disagree with that. I also think that town!Hectic would probably show a bit of remorse for making that post, as in “sorry, guys I thought it was funny at the time but now I realize it was dumb” but he hasn’t really done that.In post 1005, Amrun wrote:
I find the fact that he is seeking to engage with me on purpose to be +town points for bob.In post 951, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
What about Bob?In post 943, Amrun wrote:
Pops is still scum, Eddie is even more town.In post 914, OkaPoka wrote:this is very good actually
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He didn’t do that last game and I nailed him. Bob is really smart so I’m reserving final judgment but scum bob could just choose to engage other players instead, pretty organically, rather than someone who just pegged him as scum within the last month.- Amrun
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In post 1074, Pine wrote:I mean...that readslist is pretty blatant jury manipulation
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This reads genuine to me I think.In post 1090, Hectic wrote:
You're right, I do feel nervous here because no one wants to be mislynched day 1 in team mafia, but I'm trying to be as transparent as possible to fix that.In post 1089, Something_Smart wrote:See, here's the problem.
Now I feel like Hectic is under enough pressure that his posts are going to be nervous and forced, regardless of his alignment. I agree that the readlist looked forced, I don't agree that it looked political, and I think it's definitely something a townie of Hectic's experience level might produce under serious pressure. (Terseness is actually a towntell there.)
Not a huge fan of this wagon anymore.- Amrun
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I have felt he’s genuine since he’s been run up. I +1 Pine as a reaction test for myself since I thought Pine’s point was valid, but Hectic’s reaction to THAT felt more genuine than ever.In post 1095, pisskop wrote:The time to 'read as genuine' is when he isn't the focal point. he's done this multiple times so far.
I sr his play here in this game, his reputation for being mislynched notwithstanding
This is a bad wagon with a bad comp. it stinks.
It was useful for info, sure, but that doesn’t mean it’s where we should flip today. I wanted to wagon Hectic to help me read him, and it did. I now townread him.
Skitter and I have discussed it. Her objections to the wagon are less about Hectic himself and more about the wagon comp. it has received no real opposition and her TR don’t really support it but aren’t against it. She thinks Pine’s 1081 is a “particularly scary bad reaction.” She thinks the wagon in general reads like scum trying to take advantage of a troll on a player known to be memey anyway.- Amrun
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@Pine: what do you think of Hectic as a scum player? Is he competent?- Amrun
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Ok, thanks for that info - Pine, please change my question to what do you think of Hectic as a player in general? Is he competent?In post 1112, Hectic wrote:
I don't have any scum data on this site unfortunately. I have 1 offsite however.In post 1108, Amrun wrote:@Pine: what do you think of Hectic as a scum player? Is he competent? - Amrun
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