Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over

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VOTE: nancy drew

got a cop guilty here i promise you

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lol scumclaim

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An excellent way to out doc

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Just claim when your neighbor dies

Only one death a phase

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But like titus explain to me the value of outting all the neighborhoods

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Docs still an ic? Even if we don't out

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Odds are you will be pocketed in your pt lol

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And you won't be pocketed in the main thread?

its a lot easier to pocket someone when you have to tailor your words to an audience of size 1

and there are variants of ic that choose when to reveal which is basically what im saying

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but also there is absolutely no merit to titus' suggestions i mean S_S literally offered a superior method

like just literally claim your neighborhood when you/partner is about to die and after a nk lands in ur neighborhood

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titus did hectic go along with your plan?

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Well, I’ve already outed myself as a Neighbor, which was a careless mistake, but I won’t be outing my Neighbor. I suggest we table it until at least D2, and at the start of each day ask ourselves, “Do we need an IC today?”

PE: We don’t get to choose who the IC is. It’s the Doctor.

if the ic doesnt want to out themselves then we dont out the ic

the question is

does the ic want to out now

not do we need an ic

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the real value of doc is after hitting scum we can protect the confirmed town for a night

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Although I guess you're using IC differently from me. The IC I'm used to is one that can reveal at any time.

and this is the stronger variant

but also

the plan is you claim neighbor if your neighbor is dead or has intent to hammer

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I'm interested in why Pine thinks Titus's plan has any merit whatsoever when S_S literally presented a better plan

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I'm interested in why Pine thinks Titus's plan has any merit whatsoever when S_S literally presented a better plan

Because nuance, OkaPoka. S_S’s plan is where we should start, until we decide we want to blow the setup open.

Titus’s plan is bad for D1, but has merit later in the game

okay but claiming d2/d3 although still suboptimal is not titus's plan

like i feel like your are giving credit to titus when she deserves none

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whats ur 2 cents on titus krazy

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Okay someone do math if we have a guaranteed lunch win order

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Eh I don't think this setup is breakable

It just has very townsided balance

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actually there is literally no reason to ever massclaim dude unless you are looking for team solves/ruling out partners

just claim at intent or nk

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bc we start with two clears and we can at most clear one slot a day assuming we get a scum flip so

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have you ever played with scum me ?

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unless you can give me a mathematical argument on why just lol outting all the neighborhood has a +ev wr in comparison to the strat of outing upon flips/intent

im just going to treat that argument like flat earthers

and to me saying ur wrong to flat earthers isnt being stubborn

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okay solution is we policy lynch lol hammerers

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scum literally have no hand in putting together the neighborhoods thus the data you would get rn is = zero

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krazy's entrance posts are kinda bad tbh

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my thoughts on all three of those slots are they are boring and put me to sleep

but i have heard high praise of krazy so

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inb4 someone says wow elsa townslipped

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after some talking with teammates

setup isn't actually breakable unless we hit both scum very early with doc saves

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in best case scenario of perfect doc and perfect lynch at d3 its a game with

4 confirmed town

8 unconfirmed townies
1 scum

run the numbers

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huh this is the only game that rc cant affect

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no

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krazy are you waiting for something

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idk krazy there is a lot to get your hands dirty with and you are actively not doing that

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the reason why i asked about pine playin is because literally i have no recollection of playing with anyone on his team or him so idk if its just a generic throwaway comment

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wrt both

uh

i mean two

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Is krazy being solvey?

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ur a math person ddl u can do it urself

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Krazy is so super obvtown it hurts.

Strongest tr are on Titus, Oka, Pops, Elsa, SS.

I still think Krazy is town because I don’t see anything scummy in his ISO.

Naci, weak townlean

Amrun ???
Pine ???

DDL - prob scum

His naked vote and opening fake looking tryhard post, look scummy to me. It reads like he thinks Elsa is an easy mislynch, so he didn’t have to bother giving actual reasons for his read or vote.

how do you go from super confident to krazy town to ehh nothing scummy so poe town

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I do like where we are at though

I feel a decent sense of cohesion and my main pings are like paranoia pings and I think I have three good townreads not including myself

But yeah I'm liking the current posting group I guess

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Hectic I've played with you and no gambits please

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VOTE: krazy

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Always beware those that speak to animals.

VOTE: DrD

How much have you read

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Ok lmk when you've read the thread but also why rvs if you see 10 pages have happened that you haven't touched

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maybe this is an attempt by scum to lower the quality of the game

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or maybe scum are the slots that seem to have trouble properly integrating themselves into the game and thus are poking at some things that really dont need litigation or more litigation

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nancy fwiw i think itd be helpful to all of else if you reread first and then posted after you were fully caught up

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its a very obvious idea

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Is that all skitter has to say because nobody is voting S_S

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Also I agree with krazy that there are things about Pine's slot that pings me

Also I thing that push comes from scum

Vote krazy

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Piss you were fuscosco in gameshow right?

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Are you confident in Nancy or is it just Mathblade?

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ok titus

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yes

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nancy always bitches about town

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tbf piss your example isn't effective since nancy's alignment isn't known

you need to go dig up past games

pedit: every game ive played with nancy she has bitched about town play
but specifically
baton pass, did a whole bit about how stupid town was for not scumreading me and i was the most obvious scum ever

that one was hilarious

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tbf piss your example isn't effective since nancy's alignment isn't known

you need to go dig up past games

pedit: every game ive played with nancy she has bitched about town play
but specifically
baton pass, did a whole bit about how stupid town was for not scumreading me and i was the most obvious scum ever

that one was hilarious

Was the tone the same? I assume without reading Nancy was town in baton pass.

i mean i guess it was similar and yes she was town

but the pt is complaining about townplay isnt ai for nancy

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ss ur so quippy this game

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Nancy am i allowed to ignore any read you make for the abomination of a play you made against me in Baton Pass

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its gameshow mafia next question

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ok nancy ur being excessive titus was not the reason why we lost gs

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titus vote krazy !

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there is no wagon its sitting at one vote we are 25 hours into this game

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there is no wagon its sitting at one vote we are 25 hours into this game

Ok. Then all the merrier reason to help explain Nancy to me. If RC was on her team it would make sense why Nancy is so defiant but...

Nancy holds herself to a very high opinion and it also so happens that she feels that being scumread is an attack on her play.

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SS want to drop your vote on krazy with me ?

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For the purpose of eventually squeezing the life out of him.

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okay but the other option is you listen to nancy vs titus

or more rehashing of why massclaiming is bad d1

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ok krazy

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i think krazy's posts reads as someone who is trying to but struggling to get a foothold into the game without potentially hurting himself

like up until pine he made a lot of empty posts that don't really lead anywhere but are like weird attempts at interacting with someone that avoids finding scum

and i think the pine push indicates what i suspected, he was just biding his time for something he could jump at

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weird attempts at interacting with someone that avoids finding scum

What exactly do you mean by this? He's interacting without scumhunting?

he's interacting without the purpose of finding scum

he's like interacting to interact

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because while he was asking elsa about frozen 2 there were things going on in the background that he could;ve entered into on his own accord

like he had to be brought into setup spec stuff, but like even if he isn't into that

there were other ongoing happenings in thread that he avoided

and saying its too early to do anything is a scum indicative as well if thats the defense

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Maybe, but it's still kinda early. Why what's up?

i think that was the implication behind this post

but also

i have the thought that a town that wants to contribute and has trouble contributing usually finds something stupid to nitpick and attack and then goes from there

or just lurks until they are called out for it

instead of busywork posting withe some relevance to the game

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I mean that post actually WAS early...

sure its early but i still think its scum indicative to use earliness as an excuse to avoid playing

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ss ur not even voting anyone just give me your vote

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ss ur not even voting anyone just give me your vote

With the stated purpose of pushing through a lynch already? No thanks.

ok well what do you want to do in the meantime

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krazy literally a paragon nom

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krazy literally a paragon nom

Mastina is biased, so you really can’t put too much stock in that.

maybe krazy isn't the greatest town player ever to live but i think getting nominated for paragon indicates a level of competency as a town player

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=32341

Coalition. Both of Krazy and me were town in that.

Subject: Micro 873 - Game Over

HEAL: Raya36,

PvtUrist, Skygazer,

implosion, Weiss Schnee

I don't trust Nancy now either she's doing the thing where she seems to not get nuance

@Oka, the red underlined were the scumteam, so tell me again how Krazy having bad reads is scum indicative for him?

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ok i dont know how my written part got deleted

but

i dont know what your point is but one game of bad reads doesnt mean anything

and one game of good reads doesnt mean anything

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you've played with me before?

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and like

characterizing my posts as setup spam is really surface level

i used it as a vehicle to sort certain slots, and like it doesnt take much effort to see that

where as you ?

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i dont remember this game

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have you played w scum me?

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were you dva?

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krazy's alignment depends on whether he is nako or dva

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just say ur dva so i can mark you down as town babyrage

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although nobody on your team mafia team has played with me being scum?

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UNVOTE:

@nacl I don't feel krazy lynch good anymore

I feel meh about all the other existing wagon someone sell me

I don't know if what ss is currently posting is scum indicative or even ai

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VOTE: hectic

:>

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hes being a dank memer

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idk pine

I kinda liked krazy's recent spew (not really reminds me of enter :>) to mark him in the town bin for now

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so should i be worried that mastina cant be assed to be following her paragon krazy

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Nancy you are starting to feel like a caricature of yourself, what gives?

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Also nacl I'm voting hectic rn if you want to know where I'm at

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But also hectic is feeling townie lol

UNVOTE:

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I initially liked piss and had warm fuzzy feelings but in hindsight it was only over me not liking krazy

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The more I like krazy the less I like pine n piss

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Ddl u need to stop coasting

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I've never seen you last this long being mad at someone or get this pissed this early for people not marking you as town.

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Can you ask the rest of your team if they think you are locktown? Ask them for honest answers

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RC isn't on any team here

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Titus how many shots

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Pops i have a 1000 IQ solve that includes you

If I'm right you have to give up

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So pops you think I have a good chance at being right in my solve

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I think if I'm in your solve you have a 0% chance of being right
I still townread you though

Damn bait ruined

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Nancy who on your team thinks ur obvtown

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Ask them on discord or I'll lynch you

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Ask your teammates if they think you are being obvtown and why

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It's very much in your control go ask them please

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Maybe I want their opinions?

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K cool thx

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Nacl I have a lot more town reads and not many good scumreads so I'm just poking around until I find something I feel good to push

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Elsa there are other reasons why I want her team to evaluate her considering she is bming multiple slots on not locking her town

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But also elsa you havent posted in a day and those are the posts you chose to comment on?

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My post was a ticket for you to comment on other things elsa plz

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That's just Nancy being Nancy

Question is whether she is playing it up

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And shoshin didn't think what she did was a trust tell

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ur both wasting each other;s time

yall down for a wagon

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why pine again?

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You really don't see the value of someone giving you a townread Nancy?

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and nancy you r basically townreading anyone who townreads you and the job of scum is to _____

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nancy we just played baton pass together

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No I know exactly who you are and mislynching Engima was a necessary evil because he wasn't playing the game while S_S was willing to play the game. And I also remember the mason doc game, the one where you tried to get your mason buddy killed and I had to threaten to lol vig randomly because town wanted to let a 3p achieve a win condition.

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oh wait i am misremembering that was the game where you were sick lol

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am confused why nacl has so many townreads

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or rather, why so many people are townreading nacl

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Elsa, my question directed to Nancy is more for Nancy's sake than for my sake if you know what I mean. Like I've said this before I don't know why you can't understand this.

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i think all the more active people are closer to the town bin unless I pursue some team solves but then I need to pull the trigger on something thats going to be a lot of work and may have no payoff


i could just park my vote on someone who is being a lurksack i guess

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okay you'll probs answer this tmr but i was wondering how you/your team knows my playstyle as either alignment because i dont think your analysis was right

as in the things you said about scum me is more often said about town me

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in fact I've never been called annoying while playing scum lol

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town I guess is fair to call me annoying

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700 posts is weaksauce

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Nancy you always have an expectation of people treating you as obvtown and I'm hoping that if even your teammates can't explain why you are obvtown you will stop beating our heads over not locking you town.

Idk what to say nacl if you don't like what I've had to say then unlucky

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I tr titus and ss

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DDL why hectic?

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SS was getting no traction. I largely townread people on the wagon. I town read titus.

But like whats your read on hectic then?

in fact I've never been called annoying while playing scum lol

Interesting.

Do you try to tell people what they want to hear?

If it helps me win

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what if you decided to consciously try harder d1

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well my hood with micc has been awfully quiet too

like i keep asking him who is scum and he ignores me

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well my hood with micc has been awfully quiet too

like i keep asking him who is scum and he ignores me

in hindsight this post isnt that funny

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just fyi you guys are going make a townsided setup balanced

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this is very good actually

i want

<elsa,nacl,ddl,bob,amrun> to take sides and comment on this

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i was scum that was SO CLOSE to winnning

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ss if you want to comment please wait until after my list of people comment otherwise it might be boring

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that is fine by me T_T

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bob thoughts on pops n eddie?

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nancy you do realize if pine is scum he can you know

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VOTE: hectic

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you don't think hectic's most recent posts are shit?

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nancy you do realize if pine is scum he can you know

???

Can what?

"Welp mastina is very confident you are town, most confident she's ever been in fact. Here's a couple posts she really liked. I still am doubtful but that's mastina's two cents"

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VOTE: Hectic

Seems like this is a popular wagon.

Consider this my birthday surprise.

REAL L1

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I don't need to post why if its obvious

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I also don't need to post why if it's me testing/gut/very contrived

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But also if you want to engage with me on reads you need to post more so you can catch me in my train of thought

I don't like explaining things I dont believe anymore

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i mean advocate for an alternative lynch s_s otherwise we are wasting our time here

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Nancy, I have been a little unhappy irl recently. I try not to let real life affect my emotions here, but maybe it leaked into my interaction with you? I'm not sure how though because I was just trying to stay level headed and reasonable. My lack of engagement before was because I hadn't read the game until yesterday.
But since you've somehow gauged that and are scumreading me for it, please don't. I'm not asking you to townread me for this, I just want you to consider it NAI. Also, vote Pine with me if you scumread him too.

I've realised I shouldn't force myself to play if I'm feeling down so I'll be back tomorrow after hopefully a good night of sleep.

i think this post is disgusting - hectic is kinda lowkey bringing AtE to the game which is out of character for him and seems to be sad about being caught for the wrong reasons by using the NAI argument

maybe im wrong

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I know newbies are newbies but the hectic I played with in a newbie was a lot more trolly as town than here oddly enough.

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like a part of me thinks maybe hectic sees this is team mafia and is taking things more seriously and the doctor meme was a slip of nature

and a part of me thinks that hectic realized that nobody is okay with his shenanigans and as scum he's editing himself to be more "normal"

in the newbie i was in with him he was straight lying and gambitting and trolling and he caught flak for it but eventually alls was good for him

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but outside the trolly bits

there is a certain style of hectic when he is doing normal things that kinda couldn't come out during his talking w nancy

so who knows hectic

time for you to shine

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omg we are so close to spelling a word in the vc

bob needs to unvote and revote

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does krazy usually fall behind?

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Hmm

Pine why does two votes on me suggest hectic scum?

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VOTE: nacl

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You should vote pine then :>

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Amrun aren't you voting pine

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So much posturing

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Pops v Amrun

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Wow, my reads are changing a lot.

@Hectic idr who your team is but area they falling this game

@SS Your reads are very different to mine so I need an update with some reasons please

@Pine If you are, stop

@Nancy and I mean this nicely, I have seen you be 100% Sure scum is town, as town. And town is not what my team necessarily reads you as, though it is trending a bit that way. Do you have a consistent track record reading Krazy? Because some members of my team disagree with that read, as well as your Pops one. You have done some things my team thinks is very townie and some very scummy, so I need more.

@Hectic you said most of my content is good other than my pops response. Can you expan do that? The way you are sheeping Pops is not ever a S/S interaction I believe, and I do not like the content from either of you. I am talking to Pops a lot in the hood, but I need to find you in thread if you're town. And more importantly, I need you to not be a potential mislynch vote on me because I really don't like getting lynhched.

@Oka I need you to do a reads list please. Losing faith.

i have a list of team solves but the best readslist i can do is people I'm not considering in any my solves (not even as backups to anything)

titus,ss,nancy

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since we are heading this direction anyways

i think the team is pine/piss/pops w pops being the most replaceable

of course im assuming krazy is town here for this solve to work at all

VOTE: pine

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UNVOTE:

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Because as much as I like my solve in that it feels like it makes sense

I still kinda like each slot individually, which means I might be just flat out wrong on all three

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VOTE: pisskop

probably the easiest flex pick for multiple solves while still pursuing my top solve

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nancy why arent you furious over elsa for attempting to hammer

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Nancy, does krazy usually fall behind?

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oka, I am disappoint

its ok piss i have two other scumteam solves you just need to make it obvious that the other two solves are better

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ask micc

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I just prefer lynching Piss to Pine because I think there is a world where Piss is buddying a town!Pine whereas I don't think there is a world where Pine is buddying a town!Piss.

With that being said my best theory is Pine and Piss are both scum.

But also its more valuable to have potential wagons on both Pine and Piss right now than to have everyone sitting on Pine.

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but also the way I see it there is very little value for me to just be completely transparent and sharing all my notes at every stage of the game because

1) my reputation of scumhunting is mediocre at best
2) I am pretty much a utr so I don't need to bother with proving myself as town

so the gain of me outting my reads is that it can
1) reassure everyone that im townie i guess
2) have notes that other people can work off of

the loss is
1) i don't get to be a spooky wildcard
2) i am more susceptible to being lead to the wrong place

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but also the way I see it there is very little value for me to just be completely transparent and sharing all my notes at every stage of the game because

1) my reputation of scumhunting is mediocre at best
2) I am pretty much a utr so I don't need to bother with proving myself as town

so the gain of me outting my reads is that it can
1) reassure everyone that im townie i guess
2) have notes that other people can work off of

the loss is
1) i don't get to be a spooky wildcard
2) i am more susceptible to being lead to the wrong place

We don't have to follow your reads though. Without posting your reads, your UTR (though I thought 2 people were voting you?) might dip back to null so might as well prevent that from happening.

yeah i mean im not forcing anyone to follow my lead so?

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but also the way I see it there is very little value for me to just be completely transparent and sharing all my notes at every stage of the game because

1) my reputation of scumhunting is mediocre at best
2) I am pretty much a utr so I don't need to bother with proving myself as town

so the gain of me outting my reads is that it can
1) reassure everyone that im townie i guess
2) have notes that other people can work off of

the loss is
1) i don't get to be a spooky wildcard
2) i am more susceptible to being lead to the wrong place

We don't have to follow your reads though. Without posting your reads, your UTR (though I thought 2 people were voting you?) might dip back to null so might as well prevent that from happening.

yeah i mean im not forcing anyone to follow my lead so?

so no harm in being completely transparent and sharing all your reads is what I mean.

your underestimating how valuable it is for scum to get townread by utrs and how easy it is to get townread as scum by mirroring thoughts without coming off as overly buddying

and how easy it is for scum to lead townies to bad lynches by pushing tasty teams

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this game is too hard i dont hate anybody enough to tunnel

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maybe we take the easy way out and lynch ddl

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keep reading krazy

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anyone else thing bob is like a s_s clone

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s_s how does this game differ from your play in baton pass

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r u then not shooketh you are almost utr

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r thoust shooketh by ddl's vote then

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VOTE: ddl

lets choo choo this slot please

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eddie what have your pals said about me

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lets lynch ddl im tired

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casework

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eddie do casework please my running theory on scum assumes krazy is town

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ive already voted krazy and feel like he has projected town

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beetlejuice

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ive already voted krazy and feel like he has projected town

Disagree, sorry.

i can see that which is why im waiting on for you to explain why

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what happened to mbaki who was absolutely disgusted with ms.net and complained about the quality of the lobby

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just summarize what t_w is saying

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nancy you think a 2v13 is balanced

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comedy show its a wrap

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nancy wanna make a piss wagon

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vote pine then

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just like volpe townlocked me in baton pass and then turned on me given the opportunity right