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In post 201, Amrun wrote:Holy fuckballs, Titus is town, and right.
Someone please tell me why we shouldn’t mass claim everything?
Massclaiming leaves us with dr vs mafia roleblocker, and phone operator.
That’s a 50% chance of lynching right and leaving us with a town confirm. I feel like that’s pretty good.
So you are in favour of everyone outting in effect the doc.
As others have pointed out the doc isnt in hood.
So reduce the hiding space for our doc from 7 to none.
There could be something that could be said for mass claim as teh days go on. But now it only favours scum.
Although no one should lol hammer and give every player enough time to let everyoen know their hood at l-1
when we lynch scum. We get confirmed townie. This leaves scum with out the ability to kill them before the doc. Until a second is lynched and even then, scum need to feel lucky.
However, if we in effect out the doc.
The doc dies and every time we get a confirmed townie. we risk losing him that night of the scum lynch- bob3141
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In post 228, Hectic wrote:I'm back. Not sure if I should say this, but someone broke into my house and apprehended Thilbert; they said they were throwing him into mafiascum jail. He said he'd caught up and meta analysed every player in the thread. He was in the middle of telling me his solve for the mafia team when they got him, the bastards.
But I did hear him shriek "nan" on the way out. So he was either screaming for his nan, the poor thing, or telling me Nancy Drew 39 is scum.
VOTE: Nancy Drew 39
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Do you mean what i was talking about.In post 255, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Why is Bob scum? I liked his doc theory.In post 239, Hectic wrote:I don't, I've only read the first two pages because I've been out with friends. Her name fit my purposes for the joke.
I've been staring at your post for quite a while now, Bob. You know how you know something's off, but you can't put your finger on what that is? Well, your post had that kind of uncanny valley feeling to it, but an hour into my scrutiny, I got it.
There's no typos in that post.
VOTE: Bob
It was about how mass claiming day one is bad.
As it narrows down hiding room for doc. as scum have a lists of 7 people who could be the doc. would have been 9 if titus hadnt claimed. And if hectic or titus are scum. Then its still 9
if the lynchie claims his hood before hammer. Also that players neigbhour should also claim.
That way scum cant gambit
Any lolhammer should be taken as scum claim. give atleast a day or until every alive player has read.
once hammer is announced every player should posts if they are that players neighbour. and i mean every player
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In post 263, Something_Smart wrote:
Well I mean or that player can claim their neighbor and the neighbor can just confirm it.In post 260, bob3141 wrote:once hammer is announced every player should posts if they are that players neighbour. and i mean every player
before any hammer.
scum know their neigbhours
We also know scum is paired with one town.
Its a simple way to stop scum trying any funny business.
If get a situation were scum holds the hammer. Scum claim to be each others neigbhour. And scum hammers.
They then kill their neighbour in the night. Even if it does leave question why no one claims to be that dead players neighbour. That winof is unnecessary.
That way scum cant gambit a fake claim. I dont want to be going through the game again wrong taking a player as confirmed.- bob3141
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In post 256, Something_Smart wrote:I don't think scum-bob would have any difficulty making that post?
I find this a little weird. From its chronology I can only assuem you were responding to nan posts. Where she questiosn hectic vote. A posts that does not imply she a town read on me but that a it stands she couldnt see anything scum indicative so far. Which is far cry from some thinkign that post looks towny. What she said is she liked my doc comments. Which is different from town reading those comments. But instead reading them as value to town
But you first response is to shout (paraphrased)" oh but scum bob could make that post"
I could understand this if it was accompanied by something you claimed to have seen that resulted in you scum reading. But there is no comment on my alignment in your post.
So im trying it hard to see the purpose of your post
I just cant see you making that post if you didnt already have scum read one me. Unless you were scum trying to shade what i said.- bob3141
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In post 466, Something_Smart wrote:
With the stated purpose of pushing through a lynch already? No thanks.In post 464, OkaPoka wrote:ss ur not even voting anyone just give me your vote
But i see you have not even made a rvs vote
If you had to pick some to vote as they are teh player you think is most likely scum. Who woudl it be? It does need to be a strong vote but a vote atleast
As i find it is scum most of all who prefer to not vote nor more it
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In post 525, Something_Smart wrote:
That post was in response to 254, sorry if that wasn't clear.In post 522, bob3141 wrote:From its chronology I can only assuem you were responding to nan posts. Where she questiosn hectic vote.
But what was its purpose.
As it feels odd that you first instinct was to push "oh that could be scum him"
Its not like there was even attempt by you to try to discern if it was town me or scum me. But you just dismiss it.
Since you raised it. You must have seen something in my posts that lead you to vehemently disagree with nancy early light town read. Enough to make a post about it. Otherwise I would thought you would of simply ignor it. And privatly conclude you cant get a read of it, yourself.
But instead you make a hollow posts. Its not that you even say that post could be NIA. But you specifically oh it could be scum. And with no verdict but teh sentance itself being baised. You must ahve thought you saw somethign enough to make you choose to make that post.- bob3141
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In post 188, DrDolittle wrote:although there's smarter people than me in the lobby so i want to defer the thinking to them
So does this imply then that you simply intend to sheep player reads in this game if there in a select lists.
Also what makes you agree with the others that elsa is scum or are you reconsidering that vote. As athough that vote was made in rvs stage. That wagon is building
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In post 528, Something_Smart wrote:
I don't think this question is helpful, because I don't have anyone I think is significantly more likely to be scum than random.In post 526, bob3141 wrote:If you had to pick some to vote as they are teh player you think is most likely scum. Who woudl it be?
If I were to pick a scumread or a vote based off of very little things, that will have the effect of amplifying the read, probably causing people to believe it's stronger than it is and ask me to explain it and then be confused when my reasons aren't strong, and it may cause me to confbias on it.
Whereas, there's no benefit from doing so. I can be read just fine (in fact, probably better) without it.
So what your saying is that you can read fine without votes. But dont want yourself be read in turn. As i see you say that there is no benifit. As you say you dont want to have to defend any said read.- bob3141
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In post 530, Something_Smart wrote:
Of course not, my point was that it can't be discerned from that post, because you'd be able to make it as either alignment.In post 527, bob3141 wrote:Its not like there was even attempt by you to try to discern if it was town me or scum me. But you just dismiss it.
So are you saying you could of made that posts as scum then.
As you dont say that post could be made by a player regardless of alignment. But specifically that scum bob could make that post.
A posts that realy hadnt been taken notice by many players apart from nancy but you make a specific post to a a specific player. In tending to push that player can make a post that she perceives as towny as scum. But not once saying why you migth think a scum me could make that post. Or even why I would still make that post if i wasnt scum.
You must of seen something wrongly if you are infact town to have decided to have commented on it in such a way.
I don't see a townie mindset there. As it stands.
Other have said things along the lines of oh its noethign new ect. But not in reply to someones read on it nor raised that line you did that it could be scum. At most they said in effect its NIA or its not original to be town indicative. Or like most simply ignored it.- bob3141
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In post 540, Something_Smart wrote:
You don't see a townie mindset in trying to prevent people from having spurious reads?In post 538, bob3141 wrote:I don't see a townie mindset there. As it stands.
Let me ask you do you think i am scum or town in those posts.
You must have seen something you thought was scum indictive. Or townie would of made such a posts.
A townie would then say instead. hey look here and here this could mean he is infact scum.
In fact you have not once said how that could me being scum. If you were genuine i woudl have thought you would have atleast tried. Instead you just dismiss it even though you cant see anything scum indicative
Instead you push a narrative that anything that could be perceived as townie could simply be scum. Without you even seeing anything. So you first response was simpy to shade.
As you even know make no attempt to explain how that could of come from scum or how it would benifit scum.
If it had come from townie mindset you would simply directly have Commented on the posts. and maybe even concluded its NIA but you would not of said that post could have been made by scum- bob3141
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In post 545, popsofctown wrote:I mean caring about being right and being recognized as being right and in the right. It's not actually important but scum care about it more than town. There's no sorting to do but there's plenty of people making right and wrong statements.
I think it's surprising past what should be plausible that you don't see why Bob has this scumread and I generally think of you as a player who can empathize with the reasons behind inaccurate scumreads so this is indeed very different from what I expect from town-you which is a recurring pattern this game
So are you saying you dont town read smart for the fact he cant in your opinion empathize with the line of questioning. As his intial responses must of convinced you that he was looking scummy. Since it motivated you to make a vote on him.
Before any line of enquiry had been completed. Is there anything else you have seen from smart that contributed to your scum read of him. That was strong enough to result in a vote
I also find peculiare that you would start mentioning me having a scum read on smart. Even though I never actualy mentioned that i concluded a scum read on him. With me only questioning him on a few of his actions to try and determine his alignment. The bit i find peculiare is not that you think i scum read him but that you would use it to push a scum read on him. based on empathy on scum read you couldnt be entirly sure that i do have- bob3141
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In post 597, Amrun wrote:I literally have never read a post of Hectic’s, ever, that I don’t find to be scummy.
I find him scummy here too. Just not sure that stops him from being town??? Still probably higher than rand scum so completely fine with a lynch on that slot.In post 610, Amrun wrote:Ok so ... skitter and I just had some serious conversation and we’re coming in hot with the spice vote.
VOTE: popsofctown
Your vote on Something_Smart and the timing of it and reasoning behind it is bad.
NaCl is on the short list too for a bad Eddie vote.
I see that you voted just before nancy voted. And with the vote on hectic beign pushed up to l-2 you unvoted.
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In post 322, Amrun wrote:I’m not pisskop but I’ll take that offer anyway.
VOTE: Elsa
Easily the most vote worthy so far
Here you vote for elsa. And later you ask nancy why she thought elsa was town.
But you never said why you no longer wanted to vote for elsa. What changed your mind on elsa given nancy choose not to give her reasons for town reading her.
And it was nancy vote for hectic that closely proceed you switching you vote yet again- bob3141
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In post 661, Amrun wrote:Not at all really.
So what convinced you that hectic was no longer a worthy wagon.
As to vote a player up to even l-3 you must have had some sort of conviction that players was scum.
What was your original reasonign for hectic. As from what i read you just said you generaly scum read hectic all the time. And you say that from what you see of him this game he looks scummy too.- bob3141
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In post 665, Amrun wrote:Nancy has played with Elsa before. I haven’t. I HAVE played with Nancy before. It was an attempt to help me sort them both.
Nothing caused me to unvote Elsa. I just found a better home for my vote. I didn’t retract anything I said previously. My feelings about it weren’t overly strong, but it was the strongest feeling I had in that moment. I have stronger feelings about pops now.
P-edit: I changed my vote because skitter and I got on discord and talked extensively about this game. She has more experience with most of these players than me, including Hectic and Pops. I’ve never played with pops before IIRC. She said that what was bothering me about Hectic was more likely to be NAI, and more importantly, she firmed up a background feeling I was having about pops. I was pretty explicit about this already. I don’t know why I have to rehash it.
I’m still fine with pressuring Hectic. I just also want to pressure pops.
So what did you see that after talking with skitter that you now consider to be NIA- bob3141
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Do you think its a bad vote because you think the reasoning is bad. Or just based on your read of krazyIn post 726, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Bad voteIn post 706, popsofctown wrote:@Hectic
This is one of S_S's posts that is one of his goodpostingsIn post 528, Something_Smart wrote:
I don't think this question is helpful, because I don't have anyone I think is significantly more likely to be scum than random.In post 526, bob3141 wrote:If you had to pick some to vote as they are teh player you think is most likely scum. Who woudl it be?
If I were to pick a scumread or a vote based off of very little things, that will have the effect of amplifying the read, probably causing people to believe it's stronger than it is and ask me to explain it and then be confused when my reasons aren't strong, and it may cause me to confbias on it.
Whereas, there's no benefit from doing so. I can be read just fine (in fact, probably better) without it.
and its logic applies to how I am not eager to justify a read for the 999th time that I'm not sure about
With some effort I could articulate some elements of what's a mismatch, some of it is harder to articulate
I can tell you virtually none of the patterns were present in Crown, I don't know if that's incidental or if S_S tends to play IC differently.
VOTE: Krazy
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In post 739, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
I know I’m obvtown and you’re being a woat. Ask me questions like Eddie asked. I’m not wasting their time with idiotic questions.In post 736, OkaPoka wrote:Ask your teammates if they think you are being obvtown and why
So if you were to look back through the game. Where do you think you have been obvous towning .- bob3141
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Can you give reasonign beyond a naturaly baised perspective. A reply that is immediately undermined by its own nature. As if you are scum could easily reply in the same way.In post 749, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Because I never play like this as scum. And DDL is apparently one of the few who is seeing that.In post 744, bob3141 wrote:In post 739, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
I know I’m obvtown and you’re being a woat. Ask me questions like Eddie asked. I’m not wasting their time with idiotic questions.In post 736, OkaPoka wrote:Ask your teammates if they think you are being obvtown and why
So if you were to look back through the game. Where do you think you have been obvous towning .
So what examples of your usual scum play do you think havent shown up. And what have you doen do you feel that you woudl do as town but not scum.
Also are you claiming that you should be taken as obvtown based on your meta and not your actual play. How do you think a player thats has never played with you would perceive you this game- bob3141
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In post 760, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
I was obviously trying to keep my being in a hood a secret but scum can clearly obviously tell by my sudden unvote that I thought Hectic was doc. Now he continues to push this, maybe to sort me as he claims but I can also see the possibility that he’s also trying to out the PO as well.In post 577, Hectic wrote:Hi, Nancy, are you related to Doctor Drew?
I'm V/LA until Monday in case you missed that; I was being serious when I said I've only read the first two pages.
I'll come and obvtown my slot real quick when I'm back so you don't need to worry.
Ohwhoops, I just dropped my, how clumsy of me! I guess I'll retreat into mystethoscope, and consult myconsulting room.Drew
(hint hint)
Why do you feel teh need to out yourself being in a hood. Based on unvoting a player that had clearly could not be the doc. With him being outed as being in hood at teh start of the game. Clearly he could be doc who isnt in a hood. And why do you think scum would know your in hood by unvoting.
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In post 786, Titus wrote:Well I'm not voting Nancy today.
I'll do Eddie Cane, pops, DrDoolittle, Krazy, Hectic, bob3141 or NaCl.
Pretty much everyone else on this list is town or town enough for today (Amrun). Can we lynch today please?
So is your list there is just based on poe. But of those players you have not yet decided on for now do you feel are actualy scummy. And which 3 players do you think have teh greatest likelyhood of beign scum.- bob3141
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In post 811, Pine wrote:
This vendetta you think I have against you does not exist. I’m getting a little tired of it. This is a game of social deduction, positioning, and assessment. Game-related posts are not universally condemnations of your ability or intelligence, and I would please like you to stop misconstruing them that way.In post 732, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
No, Pine seems to feel he has some God given right to pass moral judgement on me and lecture me all over this goddamned forum and I’m frankly sick of it.In post 727, Something_Smart wrote:
Can we notIn post 678, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I know at least one person who won’t be getting a paragon nom next year. Did you guess you? And you will always be the very LAST person on this site, I will ever be accepting criticisms wrt to my behaviour.
I'm not lately.In post 810, OkaPoka wrote:or rather, why so many people are townreading nacl
So does that mean you were town reading him earlier. If so what has he done for you to change your read on him.
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I think that was the first game of mafia i had on this site. When you replaced in day 2 or 3 i think. Cant realy say why i would feel different but it could either be that its just early day one.In post 830, Krazy wrote:I will be on the road most of the day tomorrow. If I still have energy when I get home I'll try to catch up then, otherwise Tuesday. I'm still kinda dealing with holiday travels.
My team got back to me a little which made me think about a few slots more.
Pops you are amai townie kawaii ko-chan. Someone wanted you to know this, you can guess who
Bob, for reference I am also det. Pikachu. I was in a game with you a bit back and you feel kinda diff here than you did there. Is there any mitigating factor that would explain that (pressure from your team etc.?)
Salt I was in a game with you, either on weiss or dva, and you feel a little more passive here than you did there. Kinda same question, has your playstyle changed much in last two or three months?
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oka, maria has played with you but she has no useful metric for reading your alignment. I know there's more you've said but I will have to save that for tomorrow
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Hectic, srs bsns questions. Mad Max: Fury Road or Road Warrior? Fallout or Last of Us? Imagine Dragons or Iron Maiden? These are essential to me understanding your alignment
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In post 838, Eddie Cane wrote:In post 807, popsofctown wrote:Does that mean you don't want to be in a hood with me
If you're town, you realize posts like these help mafia PR hunt the doc and contribute nothing to solving the game, right?In post 809, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
I like my neighbour, they’re really cool. Perhaps a future game?In post 807, popsofctown wrote:Does that mean you don't want to be in a hood with me
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I see you voted pops without giving any reasonign for your vote on him. Although you have mentioned a scum read on him several times. I cant actualy see your reasoning behind the vote and the proceeding scum read in your iso. So what in teh game have you seen that has made you come to the conclusion that pops is scum
In fact all i can find is you pushing the fact that you liked the hectic vs pops wagons idea. What in your words makes you think that their was a potential Vs in their wagons. Since you think pops is scum how do you think this hectic vs pops wagon pays out on hectics alignment.- bob3141
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In post 841, Eddie Cane wrote:All 3 of these people have votes, but I would like to propose a town bloc of Titus, Oka, SS.In post 844, Eddie Cane wrote:Maybe Amrun too?
What is you reasoning behind a town block of these 4. As i cant realy see why you in your opinion would town read these players enough to form them into town block.
For instance with look at your iso i cant see in your iso once interacting with titus
With oka you simply say he feels townier than another game. But neither what his alignment was that game or how much townier he feels. And how you came to that conclusion.
On smart all i can see before then realy is askign nancy what her teams read on him was. A player you had earlier voted for. oh and a greeting to him. And after all you do is him for read list and what his teams raeds are.
And even armum you only ask what his teams reads are.
And for every question there is no follow up by you on what you thought of any answers they may have given. Only a simply list of 4 players you say should be town block but not why, you think that.
I could undestand you maybe null reading a group of players or even privatly concider soem of tehm town based on what youve seen. But to form a town block with player you have barley interacted with no real sign of you really trying to sort them.- bob3141
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In post 892, Pine wrote:
Town to scum or scum to town?In post 889, Something_Smart wrote:{Nancy, bob}
{pisskop, Titus, Hectic, Oka}
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{Eddie, Elsa, Amrun, NaCl, Krazy} - null
{pops, DDL}
Labels, people, ffs
You ask for clarification on teh order of his read list. But what do you think of his reads and if you disagree on the placement of players. And why do you feel that way?- bob3141
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In post 996, Pine wrote:
I'm reading everything you post, and I don't lockscum you. There are shades of gray in the world. I don't respond to you because I'm trying to keep my head in the game.In post 994, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Why did you make that fake doc post? And yeah, I am definitely considering that as a possibility because it seems like Pine isn’t reading my posts or anything anyone is saying about me. Here’s the thing, both DDL and Pine were in Marked for Death. Pine was my buddy in that and DDL tr me here while Pine is locksr me, so something isn’t adding up.In post 967, Hectic wrote:Nancy, I have been a little unhappy irl recently. I try not to let real life affect my emotions here, but maybe it leaked into my interaction with you? I'm not sure how though because I was just trying to stay level headed and reasonable. My lack of engagement before was because I hadn't read the game until yesterday.
But since you've somehow gauged that and are scumreading me for it, please don't. I'm not asking you to townread me for this, I just want you to consider it NAI. Also, vote Pine with me if you scumread him too.
I've realised I shouldn't force myself to play if I'm feeling down so I'll be back tomorrow after hopefully a good night of sleep.
As a matter of fact, I'm coming around to a Hectic + {NaCL, Krazy, Bob} solve right now.
So whats you reasoning behind these scum reads. As for soem of them i actualy cant find any progression
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In post 1156, popsofctown wrote:In post 1107, Amrun wrote: This is a bad wagon with a bad comp. it stinks.
I don't think Amrun is town in this game of mafiaIn post 1152, Amrun wrote:Ok with NaCl wagon too.
Pops what do you think of the nacl wagon and the wagon that armum has started to push, pine.
Also to armum. Why are you ok with nacl wagon even though 3 of the players from a wagon you said had bad composition are on it. Plus one you are currently voting for.
Apart from pine who on that hectic wagon in your view was the bad comp.- bob3141
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In post 1129, Titus wrote:
I could see Hectic and NaCl but not all three. The wagon would be overloaded.In post 1124, Hectic wrote:
Isn't that a little too transparent for a day 1 counterwagon if we were all scum? Also, why would my hypothetical partners push OkaPoka who's been generally town imo and is push harder to actually push?In post 1123, Pine wrote:I mean, look at that scummy as fuck wagon on OkaPoka. I maintain that {Krazy, NaCl, Hectic} is an entirely plausible team
I'd change to Hectic, Dr. D, and NaCl.
Seems your very eager to go with the flow. The hectic wagon breaks up and two of them move to nacl. And all of sudden nacl is in your scum list.
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In post 614, Titus wrote:I like the idea of Hectic v pops wagons.
titus and see you still have not answer my question related to this.
Also an additional point. Why would you push a theory of 2 counter wagons. Hectic and pops when pops at the timr only had single vote. I wouldnt call one person a wagon. With that same logic you coudl push teh idea of hectic beign counter by maybe half dozne different wagons. Or how you define a wagon as it looks, single votes.
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In post 1003, Titus wrote:
Then how to we have such a large organic townblock?In post 1002, bob3141 wrote:I do get the feeling that the scum could be trying to scum read their neighbours so they can get rid of them before they flip.
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VOTE: Hectic
Tomorrow, if I am alive, pops and I will have a chat.
This looks like your feeling very self conscious of your vote on hetic. Replying yo my posts about how scum migth be trying to scum read their neigbhours to get them lynched before there is any risk of them becoming confirmed town when their scum neighbour flips- bob3141
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In post 1207, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
My neighbour also is convinced he’s town and I hard tr my neighbour.In post 1203, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
I really liked 1013. Krazy nailed my thought process during my voting/unvoting Hectic wrt to that fake doc thing to a tee. He didn’t just say I’m town.In post 1201, Eddie Cane wrote:Ank has said lots about you. So has Tom. So have I. I am choosing not to discuss that read at the moment, though.
Its interesting that you hard town read your neighbour. Do you think scum are more likely to try to scum read their neighbour or claim to town read them in the thread
As i think we have already seen a few neighbours claim a scum read on their neigbhour. One of the examples being titus scum read hectic- bob3141
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So outside the lack mech play. Do you think he has done anything directly that makes you think he is scum as apposed to the simple lack of somethingIn post 1274, DrDolittle wrote:i'd expect a lot of more mechanism play from town S_S that I'm not seeing here. He's playing a passive game but it's a scum passive play- bob3141
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So why do you think a scum Smart would never defend you wagon. What precludes from being scum that simply wants to be on the opposite side of it. In your opinion?In post 1292, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
I seriously doubt scum!SS hard defends town!Hectic. So unless Hectic flips scum, I’m not really interested in that wagon rn.In post 1287, popsofctown wrote:S_S's approach to the setup is that last of my concerns about him because the setup is a powder keg of premature claiming behavior
pedit: I did think it was really weird that he was defending memeing
when I rolled scum with him in guns he wouldn't let me meme
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In post 1299, Something_Smart wrote:
I disagree with that, btw.In post 1292, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I seriously doubt scum!SS hard defends town!Hectic.
If you are town but were scum instead. What do you feel you would do in relation of nancys wagon- bob3141
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In post 966, Eddie Cane wrote:I feel like if somebody coded a robot to play mafia it would sound like Bob
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In post 1394, Krazy wrote:Twice in a row I've pushed Pine and then been immediately counter-pushed is interesting tho
So do you think thats a sure sign that pine is scum. You say you think your being counter pushed but how many of those involved do you think are scum.- bob3141
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How long have you had your nacl scum readIn post 1475, Titus wrote:
I object to this narrative. Pine hasn't been pushing anything too hard. He was the only one who pressured my reaction on the best plan being rejected, which suggested an attempt to sort me. He didn't push me too hard.In post 1472, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Pine was pushing way too hard: first Krazy/me, then Hectic and when Piss and me jumped off, Pine wanted to ram through which is obviously now a Hectic mislynch.
And the jump to NaCi is hella gross. I believe there’s one scum on that wagon and I don’t think it’s you.
Krazy might be scum.
You think a feather pushes you too hard.
Hectic is scum, more likely than not.
NaCl is highly likely scum with Hectic.
Hectic DDL NaCl contains at least 2 scum, if not all three. If I am wrong on one, it's pops most likely.- bob3141
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So whats the reasoning behind your teams different scum reads. What do they think they have seen that makes them think the different players are scum. And why do they think those are soIn post 1540, Eddie Cane wrote:I had a big long thing written up but I don't actually want to start walling, so I'm going to put it like this.
Spoiler: The bottom half of Ank's reads list
Spoiler: The bottom half of Tom's reads list
Spoiler: The people I personally would like to kill today
Spoiler: All of Dann's contribution to the game in order from oldest to most recent
It is a little off that nobody in the game is really aligning with our reads. Especially since all 4 of us are, like, super synced. I don't know if I really believe Krazy and Pops is S/S but I'm supremely confident there's at least 1 there, and the fact nobody is aligning is worrying.- bob3141
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Thats the vote history as of now.
Elsa Jay (4) - NaCl, popsofctown, DrDoolittle, Amrun
Hectic (5) - Pine, OkaPoka, pisskop, armum, Nancy Drew 39
Hectic (7) - Pine, pisskop, Nancy Drew 39, DrDolittle, OkaPoka, titus, elsa
Pine (4) - Hectic, Amrun, Nancy Drew 39, krzay
I think elsa jay wagon was once that happened in rvs. They can tend to be more likely on the all town end but can still contain scum at teh start. But dont think ive seen scum join late on sizeable rvs vote wagon
The first hectic wagon was before teh first collapse and teh second was teh wagon that formed by the time of l-1
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Now we have the hectic wagon. His alignment isnt known yet but we have 2 conditions. One he is scum and one he is town.
Now what woudl teh comp of both wagons be in each condition
If he is town one of:
Pine, pisskop, Nancy Drew 39, DrDolittle, OkaPoka, titus, elsa
is almost certianly scum.
But if he is scum would a wagon of that size really be all town this early. So just as likely that atleast one is scum
But would more be one one or the other and more importantly which one.- bob3141
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Just something about this feels forced. Feels more like your trying to float ideas to see if there are any takers for them. Rather than you actually genuinely pushing a read. More feels you trying to feel for the more effective counter wagon to yourself.In post 1687, popsofctown wrote:
Amrun is willing to lynch basically anybody. I can't remember a time she's come to this thread and said anything in the vein of "X seems like the hot wagon right now, but Y has higher probability to flip scum and serves my wincon and we should move to it".In post 1681, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Why is Amrun scum?In post 1626, popsofctown wrote:Please don't call me "kid" or any other noun that doesn't describe me.
I think my vote is on Amrun right now, it'd be about the same as if it was on Eddie. Moving it doesn't matter, people changing their minds would matter more than the integers next to the names.
I've seen players like Titus have that attitude as town and that's probably the kind of Titus we have here, but my interpretation of her timings and justifications leans towards this being the scummy wine-in-front interest in wagons that well slide into hammer quickly and get the first mislynch before this game gets re-paradigmed to have some scum in the consensus scumreads.
I see your pushing how armum said he was ok for nacl lynch. Yet armum never actual even voted him to 4 votes. He could have but he didn't. Also missing the fact that we all know there are 3 mafia in this game. Thus that there are 3 players that can be scum. Therefore, a person can be happy to lynch from a list of 3 scum reads.
You also imply that armum is just going to whichever wagon is going. Yet you fail to mention that he wasn't on hectic second time round. Why do you think he did not rejoin the hectic wagon as it regrew?
You vote for armun after the nacl thing but you don't actually pressure and question. You don't try and narrow down his reads. Try to determine other than pine who he is scum reading. As he could very easily be town scum reading nacl and pine. But have a preference for pine.
You don't try to determine before voting why he would be ok joining nacl wagon. You just call him out for it because he is already voting another player. Yet as we know a player can have more than one scum read.
You even jump on something that could genuinely be mistake. Who hasn't written a sentence only to find it no longer matches the one next to it. For something that is so easy to do you jump on with surprising conviction. You later even say it can Nai but at the same time it can't be for armum as he must be scum.
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In post 1909, DrDolittle wrote:Guys.
I really do thing SS is scum this game
I'm unsure on pops right now, but I think krazy and pine are both town
Drd what do you think you have seen that leaves to the conclusion that smart is infact scum. As i infact cant see any details in your entire iso. Although there are mentions its always vague.
Like he shoudl be speaking out more or mention he doesn't look as good as prior game. NOthing that can really be quantified or nailed down.
What do you think of every read he has given. And what do you think his scum motivation would be for giving such a read. Aswell as well as what he used as reasoning- bob3141
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Who was this @In post 1979, popsofctown wrote:I am scum for being too sure if Amrun's alignment but also I am scum for not knowing Titus's alignment?- bob3141
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In post 1981, DrDolittle wrote:what's the probability we'd put on pops+eddie hoods having one scum?In post 1984, DrDolittle wrote:i might be slowly warming up pops scum, but i think i need the bread to stayed in the oven a bit longer first.
rn im not convinced.
If one of pop and eddie is town and the otehr scum. Who would you think is the most likely to eb scum and why?
And if you had to vote for one over the other who would it be- bob3141
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In post 1977, DrDolittle wrote:i dont like it
Oh and only a little earlier you said you didnt like this yet you say you are warmign up to scum pops. What about that vote dont you like. What do you feels oka motivation for the vote is aswell as the very nature of the vote it self.- bob3141
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I think you got the post number wrong again. 1966 was a post asking you who your statement was directed at.In post 2212, popsofctown wrote:It bothers me that 1966 has this teabagging assumption of reading everything I do as scum but doesn't actually canvas for votes, that might be what Ali means by saying it's a post like he's ahead.
It has been really interesting to see how Ali's approach to town (oh wait I don't have to backspace VT thanks Ed) VT is different and makes me wish maybe I hydra'ed more, though I'm pretty firmly against the unfair advantage element and want pure-hydra-games to come up
And all these posts any you have no yet answered one of my questions.- bob3141
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So what does you bases does your read on me have. As all of a sudden i make it quite clear im scum reading and behold you claim to have started scum reading. Yet you cant come up with any baises for teh read. In fact all you can come up with is tht bob must be deep wolfing but even then you cant come up with any substance.
Yet again you just dodged the questions i put to you.
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