Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over

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I am not reading a 97 page game

Hello who wishes to interact with me

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I am not reading a 97 page game

Hello who wishes to interact with me

welcome to team mafia where your teammates can catch you up okay bye

Wasn't your M.O in the last game as scum we played being dissociative by saying things without any previous reasoning behind it

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I understand I am Krazy but uh I am also not Krazy. What an unfortunate yet opportunistic moment to pun there, surely my lack of restraint indicates I am not Krazy with a C what I did there lol goodnight

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Ditto ^

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I feel really talked to right now

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u on ur teams disc unwnd?

It's not very helpful and I prefer getting a hands-on approach

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bruh you don't want to read the game what you want

Does this format restrict the type of interaction I desire y/n

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OK, could you ISO Eddie and look at his interactions with you and Pops (he hard scumreads you both), and tell us what you think of his alignment?

Do you think Eddie / Me is SvT?

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Krazy has requested replacement.

Damn, he was probably town then.

stop

Actually this was helpful thanks

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Krazy has requested replacement.

Damn, he was probably town then.

stop

Actually this was helpful thanks

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I asked Hectic if he thought Me / Eddie was SvT and him saying he thought my slot was town answered my own Q

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OK, could you ISO Eddie and look at his interactions with you and Pops (he hard scumreads you both), and tell us what you think of his alignment?

The problem with reading someone who tunnels (your replacement slot) is that under my own confirmation bias of being town I could interpret his push in a useless? way

Useless in the sense that most town dislike being pushed, and all I could say is 'his push was wrong'.

unwnd Id actually like your opinion on heckboy.

I hold a burning scumread of him in my heart.

Face-value I don't really like him

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I think that the replacement is a good chance for people to re-evaluate their reads on the slot.

This is true but the problem is I’m not interested in anything the replacement has to say because he refused to read or even talk to his teammates about the game, and he’s not really trying to engage despite what he says. What does he want - people to ask him questions? About what? He hasn’t read, so there’s nothing to ask. Whatever reads he’s given from one page of content mean nothing to me because he lacks all the context.

It’s kind of annoying that someone replacd into this with no intent of reading.

So what you're saying that (my) normal approach to this game notwithstanding is essentially frivolous and I am wasting my time? I have an opinion that people might not agree on-- but most mechanics esp like this only to seem to be addressed in circumstance. If the circumstance is that (I am scummy, because I am not talking to my teammates / they are not talking to me) then I wish you could've said it outright instead of implying that I should know better.

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Sometimes words are hard. I took a power nap. Let me address this openly: If a person does something scummy would that behavior be exemplified due to the teammate dynamic? In what way does behavior change knowing there are people shadowing the game with someone?

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wtf are you doing unwnd

I'm not sure, what should I be doing? That's kinda the question I'm asking. Mafia is a team game and I usually like collaborating with the thread, not an external factor that is pretty much spectators with betting on me like a horse. That is how I see the extra mechanic rn lol

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So because Krazy said Eddie did this, you’re just going to accept this as fact?

what? No, Im irritated people are actually more concerned about the hearsay of players in other games than the game itself.

I think it can be very helpful since I totally believe Eddie’s teammates’ reads are real.

I genuinely never want to read someone like this. I know it seems like I'm repeating myself but what's the benefit of doing so?

you gotta do a read, unwnd.

iso your predecessor, read your teammaf thread, or even just check out our rockin red pt.

I probably will but not before I make a fuss cause I'mjustlikethat

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So because Krazy said Eddie did this, you’re just going to accept this as fact?

what? No, Im irritated people are actually more concerned about the hearsay of players in other games than the game itself.

I think it can be very helpful since I totally believe Eddie’s teammates’ reads are real.

I genuinely never want to read someone like this. I know it seems like I'm repeating myself but what's the benefit of doing so?

you gotta do a read, unwnd.

iso your predecessor, read your teammaf thread, or even just check out our rockin red pt.

I probably will but not before I make a fuss cause I'mjustlikethat

This is called Team Mafia for a reason.

My teammate(s) said 'this is stupid! They should talk to you instead of consulting us about what to do. We're here to help you where you need it but if you don't need help then I don't understand why our intervention is necessary!'

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My last post was a half-truth. The reality of the situation is that I am personally opposed to receiving help but also they are no longer caught up with the game, therefore I would like to speak of my own merit.

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ND could you respond to my #2473 if we're on this subject?

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I think that the replacement is a good chance for people to re-evaluate their reads on the slot.

This is true but the problem is I’m not interested in anything the replacement has to say because he refused to read or even talk to his teammates about the game, and he’s not really trying to engage despite what he says. What does he want - people to ask him questions? About what? He hasn’t read, so there’s nothing to ask. Whatever reads he’s given from one page of content mean nothing to me because he lacks all the context.

It’s kind of annoying that someone replacd into this with no intent of reading.

So what you're saying that (my) normal approach to this game notwithstanding is essentially frivolous and I am wasting my time? I have an opinion that people might not agree on-- but most mechanics esp like this only to seem to be addressed in circumstance. If the circumstance is that (I am scummy, because I am not talking to my teammates / they are not talking to me) then I wish you could've said it outright instead of implying that I should know better.

Don’t misunderstand me. I don’t think this behavior is AI, just annoying.

If you survive to further game days, your reads will mean something, because you’ll have an OK amount of context, even if it’s not purpose.

But in THIS gamestate, where most people find your predecessor scummy but a few vehemently defend him, and when your slot could potentially be lynched, it is very frustrating. I didn’t have a good read of Krazy so I was hoping to read you but I don’t think anything you say will help much ~right now~. Maybe later but not now.



There is an argument to made that not reading etc is a strategic move to take the heat off since you can’t be held accountable etc but I don’t really believe that’s what’s going on. Just saying.

I would like to read everyone else with a fresh start. It's preference but when a game gets over a thousand posts and you replace in, trying to digging into previous arguments lose their essence. Like, the only thing I would really dig into is where votes happened and where they are now. I find that there's a ton of useless shite or things people can easily label off as 'in the past' so let's say I were to bring up something that happened in Idunno Page 20 and then the person responds 'well uh my opinion changed!' and then I essentially am back to here. I really do believe that most people from the skimming I have done want to see this game move on and feel dragged down from whatever happened before I replaced too.

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Why didn't you just say that the first time, though?

Cause I'm a fucker, mostly

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It actually offends me if you think I'm trying to posture lol

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So because Krazy said Eddie did this, you’re just going to accept this as fact?

what? No, Im irritated people are actually more concerned about the hearsay of players in other games than the game itself.

I think it can be very helpful since I totally believe Eddie’s teammates’ reads are real.

I genuinely never want to read someone like this. I know it seems like I'm repeating myself but what's the benefit of doing so?

you gotta do a read, unwnd.

iso your predecessor, read your teammaf thread, or even just check out our rockin red pt.

I probably will but not before I make a fuss cause I'mjustlikethat

So you’re saying you’re no longer opposed to this?

Uh I wanted a response from the 1st line actually

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It actually offends me if you think I'm trying to posture lol

I’m not implying anything AI but that your entrance like Amrun has already pointed out has been based on nothing other than your anti-teammate read stance and yes, that qualifies as posturing to me. No one really cares about your philosophy pro/con/whatever on using team reads, we just need something to try to help us sort you and you obviously haven’t given us anything yet. Not meaning to be harsh but none of it was helpful.

You've yet to tell me why team reads are more beneficial than the person participating in this game right now

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So because Krazy said Eddie did this, you’re just going to accept this as fact?

what? No, Im irritated people are actually more concerned about the hearsay of players in other games than the game itself.

I think it can be very helpful since I totally believe Eddie’s teammates’ reads are real.

I genuinely never want to read someone like this. I know it seems like I'm repeating myself but what's the benefit of doing so?

you gotta do a read, unwnd.

iso your predecessor, read your teammaf thread, or even just check out our rockin red pt.

I probably will but not before I make a fuss cause I'mjustlikethat

So you’re saying you’re no longer opposed to this?

Uh I wanted a response from the 1st line actually

Thr benefit is if you know the parties involved and I for example, am well-acquainted with Eddie’s team - I can tell by what he says about their reads, the mindset their coming from and whether or not, their reads are believable to be coming from a townie mindset - as in helping town!Eddie solve the game or not. I believe those reads are legit and I don’t believe he didn’t reveal his role to them. Not saying it’s impossible for him to play that way, since he’s experienced enough to make it believable but I doubt it. I really don’t understand why anyone doesn’t think their team could be helpful to them as scum, if they knew their teammate was scum.

Ok but

Let's say Eddie is scum here, can't he just lie about his interactions with teammates? This is why I think teammates are pretty pointless because scum can always just uh Lie and even worse when nothing can be confirmed about it given they're not really in the game

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But what if Eddie lied about being town just to...sigh

This is literally WIFOM at this point I don't think I can give you a desirable response

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VOTE: unvote

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So from that understanding Pops/Eddie is another thing that happened? Was under the slight impression it was Me/Krazy? My read is Pops is supposed to be good but turns out to be historically bad unfortunately.

Also uh what's the deadline? I've seen the VCs and it keeps just saying it's in 5 days

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I'm not refusing to read. I don't know why ND has decided to freak out and tell me I'm doing nothing. It's been approximately not even a full day since I came in here. Why does the animosity need to be so high? I won't shit out half-hearted reads that I don't feel good about based on loose tidings of things I very obviously missed out.

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It actually offends me if you think I'm trying to posture lol

I’m not implying anything AI but that your entrance like Amrun has already pointed out has been based on nothing other than your anti-teammate read stance and yes, that qualifies as posturing to me. No one really cares about your philosophy pro/con/whatever on using team reads, we just need something to try to help us sort you and you obviously haven’t given us anything yet. Not meaning to be harsh but none of it was helpful.

You've yet to tell me why team reads are more beneficial than the person participating in this game right now

Personally idgaf about your team reads but you could have at least had your team catch you up to the basic context of the game that you are refusing to read so :/

They've essentially ghosted me haha

At first I was joking but a lot of them are wrapped up in their own games. It's not like I was invited to replace Krazy based on nothing, I know MariaR/Dunn/Shadoweh pretty well and this is definitely something they'd do to me. Not as a mean thing more like a 'we're focused on our own games way more'. When I looked back at the postings from Krazy just seemed like most of his time was talking about Eddie and how downtrodden he had become because of it, and asking for emotional help than game-related.

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They've essentially ghosted me haha

I think this game is actually very content-rich and solvable. I see you unvoted me, why? Have you worked on catching up yet?[/quote]

My motivations and Krazy's aren't the same despite sharing the same alignment. In terms of catching up--I've ISO'd some people. I guess this room doesn't react well to theorycrafting or my feelings towards how do you say, the Meta? So changing my approach is tiresome/kinda hard. It's like with ND saying I'm not doing anything or posturing. I do think that scum is usually try to lie about multiple things therefore there's a possibility for them to lie about what their teammates are saying too. You could spin it that they could lie about their alignment and get tells/pro-town that way as well. When it comes to you on those fronts? I kinda sit indifferent. I think your motivations could be easier explained if you didn't default to what your teammates are saying but I figure that is how you're going to take this game. I also noticed you're kinda someone who has been talking a lot and usually I don't figure all the scum are doing the talking. That isn't to say I townread you because you post a lot rather I think the way the thread has settled down and there is mild confusion I get the feeling Krazy/You probably was sidelined by scum who are simply unable to get a word in and are just skirting the line enough to not get noticed. Do you agree/disagree?

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They've essentially ghosted me haha

I think this game is actually very content-rich and solvable. I see you unvoted me, why? Have you worked on catching up yet?

My motivations and Krazy's aren't the same despite sharing the same alignment. In terms of catching up--I've ISO'd some people. I guess this room doesn't react well to theorycrafting or my feelings towards how do you say, the Meta? So changing my approach is tiresome/kinda hard. It's like with ND saying I'm not doing anything or posturing. I do think that scum is usually try to lie about multiple things therefore there's a possibility for them to lie about what their teammates are saying too. You could spin it that they could lie about their alignment and get tells/pro-town that way as well. When it comes to you on those fronts? I kinda sit indifferent. I think your motivations could be easier explained if you didn't default to what your teammates are saying but I figure that is how you're going to take this game. I also noticed you're kinda someone who has been talking a lot and usually I don't figure all the scum are doing the talking. That isn't to say I townread you because you post a lot rather I think the way the thread has settled down and there is mild confusion I get the feeling Krazy/You probably was sidelined by scum who are simply unable to get a word in and are just skirting the line enough to not get noticed. Do you agree/disagree?

???

Who is this addressed to?[/quote]

Eddie, the quoting messed up

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I don't understand Oka's blind confidence towards things.

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HOW WAS YOUR CATCHUP UNWND

Did not read. Still don't want to read. Will continue to not read if it makes you mad. I think judging someone from how seemingly invested they are in a game is a decent take early on, but I don't know how much longer I'm supposed to believe the only complaint you have is how much I didn't wanna read. I've offered plenty of perspectives to consider but they seem to have fallen on deaf ears.

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They've essentially ghosted me haha

I think this game is actually very content-rich and solvable. I see you unvoted me, why? Have you worked on catching up yet?

My motivations and Krazy's aren't the same despite sharing the same alignment. In terms of catching up--I've ISO'd some people. I guess this room doesn't react well to theorycrafting or my feelings towards how do you say, the Meta? So changing my approach is tiresome/kinda hard. It's like with ND saying I'm not doing anything or posturing. I do think that scum is usually try to lie about multiple things therefore there's a possibility for them to lie about what their teammates are saying too. You could spin it that they could lie about their alignment and get tells/pro-town that way as well. When it comes to you on those fronts? I kinda sit indifferent. I think your motivations could be easier explained if you didn't default to what your teammates are saying but I figure that is how you're going to take this game. I also noticed you're kinda someone who has been talking a lot and usually I don't figure all the scum are doing the talking. That isn't to say I townread you because you post a lot rather I think the way the thread has settled down and there is mild confusion I get the feeling Krazy/You probably was sidelined by scum who are simply unable to get a word in and are just skirting the line enough to not get noticed. Do you agree/disagree?[/quote]

Even if Eddie is ConfTown now I'd still like to talk about this, because I feel like that Pops lynch happened was too sudden for it's own good.

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Okay, for some reason I cannot quote that message. I don't understand this website sometimes.

I don't understand Oka's blind confidence towards things.

So any reads yet, thoughts on the game?

Like - Pisskop Amrun
Indifferent - You DDL NaCL
Confused - bob3141 Hectic something_smart
Confused + slightly annoyed - OkaPoka
Concerned - Elsa Jay

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I've offered plenty of perspectives to consider but they seem to have fallen on deaf ears.

I feel like you've given very little commentary on the game itself

Who do you think is town based on the pops wagon?

I like looking into wagonomics but for some reason I feel this huge air of oppression in this game. I feel like I'm still carrying the ghost of Krazy around for some reason in some departments but I digress. The short of it is that I feel the backend most likely reaps scum and that's what matters more. My two townreads are based highly on tone, and I tend to be biased about those I townread who have it. That's why I'm sitting at confused with you because I can't get a beat in that regard.

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UNVOTE:

I thought you were refusing to actually read the game?

Listen, I've been reading this game since I replaced in. I have to read these messages in order to interpret your alignment. There has been plenty of things that I've looked back on for my own personal interests but they're not talking points. You seem like someone who takes absolutely everything at face value and doesn't quite understand intent.

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DDL is kinda cryptic but basic pressuring those type of players usually aren't that plentiful given they won't waver. Do you think DDL has some kind of particular tell that sets him from the rest of the not-so-active?

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i think its hectic from a nka standpoint

This smacks of a Hectic frameup to me.

Do you honestly think scum!Hectic is going to kill the slot he was pushing?

okay what if you killed hectic to super frame pine : >

Well that’s pretty much my point, so that doesn’t look good for Piss but Pine was still gunning for Krazy slot, last I checked.

But it actually looks the worst for unwind because Mastina could have put the final nail in Krazy coffin.

I have no idea what point you're making. MariaR is a good friend of mine so she invited me to replace the slot.

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UNVOTE:

I thought you were refusing to actually read the game?

Listen, I've been reading this game since I replaced in. I have to read these messages in order to interpret your alignment. There has been plenty of things that I've looked back on for my own personal interests but they're not talking points. You seem like someone who takes absolutely everything at face value and doesn't quite understand intent.

How do you figure that? I hard townread Eddie, didn’t I? You were the one casting doubt on his team reads after I told you, I can correctly verify if those reads were real or faked and who was right about that? Did you guess me?

You're again not understanding intent. Where did I say I scumread Eddie? Where? If you can show me where I had him a scumread go ahead and vote me. Or do you forget I

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him and tried to reach armistice with him believing that Krazy had a bad lead? Do you just read what you want to?

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So because Krazy said Eddie did this, you’re just going to accept this as fact?

what? No, Im irritated people are actually more concerned about the hearsay of players in other games than the game itself.

I think it can be very helpful since I totally believe Eddie’s teammates’ reads are real.

I genuinely never want to read someone like this. I know it seems like I'm repeating myself but what's the benefit of doing so?

you gotta do a read, unwnd.

iso your predecessor, read your teammaf thread, or even just check out our rockin red pt.

I probably will but not before I make a fuss cause I'mjustlikethat

So you’re saying you’re no longer opposed to this?

Uh I wanted a response from the 1st line actually

Thr benefit is if you know the parties involved and I for example, am well-acquainted with Eddie’s team - I can tell by what he says about their reads, the mindset their coming from and whether or not, their reads are believable to be coming from a townie mindset - as in helping town!Eddie solve the game or not. I believe those reads are legit and I don’t believe he didn’t reveal his role to them. Not saying it’s impossible for him to play that way, since he’s experienced enough to make it believable but I doubt it. I really don’t understand why anyone doesn’t think their team could be helpful to them as scum, if they knew their teammate was scum.

Ok but

Let's say Eddie is scum here, can't he just lie about his interactions with teammates? This is why I think teammates are pretty pointless because scum can always just uh Lie and even worse when nothing can be confirmed about it given they're not really in the game

But what if Eddie lied about being town just to...sigh

This is literally WIFOM at this point I don't think I can give you a desirable response

OK, listen. Do you not understand the concept of debate? That is basically what Mafia is. You presented an argument and I question you on it. We discuss our perspectives and engage one another (usually with questions, as you have highlighted) until we reach a conclusion. In the context of this game, you presented an argument I disagreed with. I did not think Eddie Cane was validated in being townread by what his teammates said, therefore I gave you points to consider. This is not a basis of scumreading Eddie Cane nor was it, my

intent.

Do you believe that all arguments made are black-and-white? Guilty unless proven Innocent? Nancy Drew is an American right? Surely that can't be the case. I genuinely want to know because I feel lke that's truly how you feel about this game.

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@unwind, you said I had trouble reading intent and my correctly reading the mindset of Eddie’s team proves otherwise.

Yeah well you're kinda reading my intent wrong right now hon so maybe you're not as stellar as you think you are

And wtf does my nationality have to do with jack? I’m not American btw.

Nancy Drew is an American Book. Guilty unless proven Innocent is not commonly an American way of doing things. These things are contradictory in a humorous fashion. Jesus christ

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VOTE: Eddie

Eh. From what I've read, I don't like Eddie much. So I'll recontribute again day 2 but for now I'm okay with your lynch.

Who do you Think I am? I've never lolhammered a day in my life.

How the hell do I not got a single vote? Why are we back on Pops? Who the fuck is Eddie?

I have so many questions.

I'm on page 80. Oh god I'm so behind.

I haven't proved I'm not scum yet? Sad times. But I'm not getting wagoned yet for no reason, so that's good.

I like the speculation of me being scum though. Keep it up!.

dude i really think its pine/piss/pops agh

I like the alliteration.

VOTE: Pops

So I went from almost quickhammering Hectic to being the only vote on him. Huh.

I missed the part where he became town, forgive me. But as a heads up, I'm claiming intent next time if I'm off the wagon. Sad I didn't get a quickhammer though.

Elsa why did you lie about how much you like frozen 2?

I would never lie. Lying is against my very nature.

Reading this puts me into a spin, I didn't even include Elsa lolhammering. I think the only basis he could be townread if he's truly DGAF but I have no meta on him so someone would have to speak on their behalf

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@unwind, you said I had trouble reading intent and my correctly reading the mindset of Eddie’s team proves otherwise.

Yeah well you're kinda reading my intent wrong right now hon so maybe you're not as stellar as you think you are

And wtf does my nationality have to do with jack? I’m not American btw.

Nancy Drew is an American Book. Guilty unless proven Innocent is not commonly an American way of doing things. These things are contradictory in a humorous fashion. Jesus christ

Well you’re wrong.

Wrong about what? Everything I said is historically and literally accurate. I've never been more right in my entire fucking life. You should be eating crow

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@unwind, you said I had trouble reading intent and my correctly reading the mindset of Eddie’s team proves otherwise.

Yeah well you're kinda reading my intent wrong right now hon so maybe you're not as stellar as you think you are

And wtf does my nationality have to do with jack? I’m not American btw.

Nancy Drew is an American Book. Guilty unless proven Innocent is not commonly an American way of doing things. These things are contradictory in a humorous fashion. Jesus christ

Well you’re wrong.

Wrong about what? Everything I said is historically and literally accurate. I've never been more right in my entire fucking life. You should be eating crow

You’re seriously telling me that you know my nationality better than me? Like I can’t even.

U said u weren't American..but your username is Nancy Drew. Nancy Drew? American. Ok? Are you following me? Clap your hands if you feel happy! Clap! Clap! OK. Now get this: Nancy Drew is a character from an

American Book

. Whoa. Alright. Big stuff comin right now.. The laws in America usually follow

Innocent until proven guilty

. I said you must believe in Guilty until proven Innocent, meaning you're not from America! But get this, Nancy Drew 39 is your username, based off an American Character! Clearly, she would not believe in that!?! Do you get it. Do you get the joke. Did you get did

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I think Pops' death was

slightly

shocking for scum. Not in a sense that they didn't prep for it, rather Pops was living off borrowed time. I believe they saved face by voting pops even if they didn't really want to. Despite this, I think Pops didn't really fight the opposition but I believe she hoped people would stop paying attention to her and that Eddie/Krazy continued to bicker with one another. That wasn't the case however because I replaced in, so lemme just say that I'm pretty sure my unvote and wavering of Eddie was a huge reason Pops died anyways. It doesn't matter if there is mumbling in the room until something is actually done. I am not going to sit here and take credit for this rather I just think scum were really banking on those two (I guess me) from cutting each other's heads off.

I glanced back at the votecounts a bit and I see that Pops / Eddie were at the forefront in terms of majority by vote. Starting at #1761, Pops/Eddie were basically shuffling between one another in this majority. I noticed that Pine had a huge following as well before this but I assume something happened (probably with Krazy) that shifted the direction of the game slightly. This is where I think the wheels start turning for scum, and while Pops started to move into survivalist mode, I don't think they really wanted to lose her. I see an argument made that Pops was certain my slot town therefore there is association by that, but I know that if I'm scum I don't want my associatives touching shoulders with me. I've fallen victim to her crooning before (ask NaCL about this lol) so I think even if I'm the one speaking on Krazy's behalf that point is basically moot given Pops in both games I've been town and she's been scum has a tendency to soften up people to fight battles for her. That didnt happen however, Krazy replaced out. The game did a soft reset and I don't think Pops' mates felt like they could carry her to the finish line so they saved face. This is a huge roundabout way of me just reaffirming my thoughts earlier with context. I also got a bit of help from one of my teammates who told me to look especially at #2477 and #2582. He explained that people started to unvote Pine as Pops/Eddie gained momentum. I think the idea that Pine died to incriminate people is foolhardy, if anything they want to proceed with the false narrative based on the how the wagons formed.


--This is where I swallow my pride and engage my teammate for help--

Am I saying all members of scum just hopped right onto Pops without thinking about it? Definitely not. My teammate thinks that it would best to look at those who didn't move at the time, as scum exercise caution in ways that benefit them. I again believe Pops' death was not explicitly planned and more of saving face. My teammate believes Pops/Hectic has huge equity, and that Hectic remained steadfast to vote in many directions but ultimately swallowed his vote on Pine and now look where we are.

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There's a ton of word vomit in there but hopefully my message came across

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Pine (4) - Hectic, Amrun, Nancy Drew 39, krzay

This was pines wagon from yesterday. Can everyone on it explain there pine read from day one. and how it progressed though out that day?

I think it’s fairly clear in the thread. I had a mild TR on Pine early on, but I really disliked his push on Hectic and found the way he went about it scummy. However, I strongly preferred pops wagon and tried (and succeeded) to make that happen instead. After the pops flip, I was fully on board with Pine as a partner and planned to come in here today and case him if I was alive. Very, very confused by this nightkill.

I mean, yeah. Pine was getting a ton of shit for a good while and even the votes reflected that. He was the leading wagon up until Krazy/Eddie outburst. I don't think Pine death was a fearkill or any sort like that, rather it was just meant to put a wrench in things. Maybe I'm looking too much into it but I think the best mix is like, maybe one on the pops wagon? and then the second scummer who didn't want anything to do with it.

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Spoiler: Votewall

Votecount 1.27

popsofctown (5) -

Eddie Cane, Amrun, Something_Smart, Elsa Jay, bob3141

Eddie Cane (3) -

popsofctown, Krazy, pisskop

Pine (3) -

Hectic, OkaPoka, Nancy Drew 39

DrDolittle (1) -

Titus

NaCl (1) -

Pine

Something_Smart (1) -

DrDolittle

Not Voting (1) -

NaCl

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Prodding NaCl.

Krazy has requested replacement.

unwnd replaces Krazy on team Ripple's Krazy Mistress Dunn.

Votecount 1.28

popsofctown (4) -

Amrun, Something_Smart, bob3141, Eddie Cane

Eddie Cane (4) -

popsofctown, unwnd, pisskop, Elsa Jay

Pine (3) -

Hectic, OkaPoka, Nancy Drew 39

DrDolittle (1) -

Titus

NaCl (1) -

Pine

Something_Smart (1) -

DrDolittle

Not Voting (1) -

NaCl

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Votecount 1.29

popsofctown (4) -

Amrun, Something_Smart, bob3141, Eddie Cane

Eddie Cane (4) -

popsofctown, unwnd, pisskop, Elsa Jay

Pine (3) -

Hectic, OkaPoka, Nancy Drew 39

DrDolittle (1) -

Titus

NaCl (1) -

Pine

Something_Smart (1) -

DrDolittle

Not Voting (1) -

NaCl

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Votecount 1.30

popsofctown (5) -

Amrun, Something_Smart, bob3141, Eddie Cane, Titus

Eddie Cane (2) -

popsofctown, Elsa Jay

unwnd (2) -

OkaPoka, DrDolittle

NaCl (2) -

Pine, pisskop

Pine (1) -

Hectic

Not Voting (3) -

NaCl, unwnd, Nancy Drew 39

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

I really think this was the pivotal moment of things, and Elsa definitely looks the worst from all of it. I don't have another wall about it's just like, Elsa seemed set on Eddie until things starting to turn.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

[unwnd]

I wouldn’t be opposed to lynching Krazy/unwind. Even if town that would give us a ton of info.

I am TRing you but you tripwire one of the biggest tells for me as scum which is 'lynching for information.' Never fucking works.

[unwnd]

Bob's scuffle with ND is interesting but that's all it is. I don't get some of the votes on Piss or even the accusations made against him. His behavior pre-flip on Pops seemed pretty clean. That being said, I have no idea how to read NaCL. I'm not saying he's an enigma or anything like that just his style is eerily familiar to when he was scum, but I am no fool to believe that's the only thing that distinguishes someone's alignment. I wrote up a pretty hefty post about him in the last game feeling like a lot of his content blurs on the screen for me. There's like, nothing objectionable about NaCL but there's not anything that stands out. I think ND enjoys hearing herself talk but littered throughout there is a identity, even if I happen to disagree with it most the time. NaCL however reads like he just got out of his first IC game and is following the Mafia Textbook very closely with all of his posts. Just enough content here, just enough content there. Sell me on this townread.

[unwnd]

If anyone has any issues to address to me personally not barring whatever Krazy has done, I am open to them. It feels like I'm being shut out from whatever is going on due to preconceived notions, and frankly it doesn't make me happy. I want to win with town, not be a sacrifical martyr in the sense a majority of you are convinced that I am scum.

[unwnd]

I would still like #3026 answered by someone? Anyone? Perhaps

Yeah, I feel the same way. I don't really like the way unwnd was going around on his teammates and lying about it, it seems like a really weird reaction to say they they first refused to give help and then that he didn't really want it. I don't see why he wouldn't just say that from the start.

Also, I feel really ignored about Hectic. To me it really feels like he and Pops have been soft-defending each other for most of the time, not really putting firm stances on each other but acting in ways to quietly defend the other. Does anyone else see this?

I want your read on me from a standpoint of our last game played, out of curiosity.

[unwnd]

i fucked up the pairings its

titus - hectic
okapoka - unwnd

pine

- bob
nancy - elsa
amrun - piss
nacl - s_s

Would like to see everyone's opinion the neighborhoods of those they think is more likely to be town, despite the possibility of both.

Mine looks something like

Titus > Hectic
OkaPoka - Unwnd
Pine > Bob
Nancy > Elsa
Amrun < Piss
NaCL > S_S

[unwnd]

I dunnok that pairing of NaCL and S_S is a headscratcher for me. I don't like both of them so I'm pretty sure I'm wrong on one, but for my basis of choosing NaCL over S_S despite trying to inquire about why he's being townread is that I feel I can read NaCL and it's possible he doesn't have a dynamic playstyle therefore I could be easily wrong. It's like I said-- His content is servicable but that's all it is. S_S content seems more isolated.

[unwnd]

It's unwound u cretins. Unwound. Not Unwind. Not Unwood. Unwound. It's a post-hardcore band.

[unwnd]

I am getting really bored of Nancy tunneling me btw

[unwnd]

xoxo

[unwnd]

titus > hectic
okapoka > unwind
pine > bob
nancy > elsa
amrun > piss
naCl > SvS


I have a new game. 4 of these 6 pairings have only town. Pick two that you think contain only town.

Amrun / Piss + Oka/Me

[unwnd]

I am getting really bored of Nancy tunneling me btw

Well, you haven’t really done anything to convince me you’re town and your predecessor’s push on Eddie was seriously scimmy.

You don't read my posts very thoroughly

[unwnd]

ot entirely sure what you mean by it but tell me if you meant something other than this.

I think you looked way townier in Assassins. You were more open with giving opinions on people specifically compared to here where you've been more quiet. I also don't know if you've caught up on the game and why your team isn't helping you or why you lied about it in the first place. Your tone of your response in 2500 feels much more like what I'd have expected you to say rather than lying about your reasons or your teams reasons for not catching you up. But you just don't feel the same kind of person as you were there, you feel more guarded her whereas you were blunter there. I don't really know how to describe it.


I've got a couple questions about your team.
1. Which person on your team invited you into Team Mafia to replace Krazy?
2. Does your team know your alignment and role PM?

I don't believe in consistent (tonal) performance. I mean this with myself and others. You're absolutely right I am probably being a bit different but I don't have that leeway I had with assassin's. With that game, I signed up for it and I was able to establish presence immediately, however with this game it seems like I'm bartering with others to trust me, and because they are not willing I am left having to solve things by myself. It isn't the most fun situation I can tell you. In terms of me lying/joking? I like to make jokes. Sometimes they are misinterpreted though and I end up spending too much time on them though

1. MariaR
2. Yeah they know and they think this isn't my game to solely win if that makes sense and to just keep trying my best I guess

[unwnd]

I don't really like this lynch.

I'll go back to lurking now

[unwnd]

Unwnd, what gave you the idea about people lying about their role pm and stuff to their team? Because both you, Krazy and pops were all talking about the idea but as far as I know I'm the only person on a team that actually did a strategy of keeping some people unspoiled. I haven't looked at previous team mafia so I don't know if this seems to be something that actually happens often.

Everyone in our is saying they're town, myself included. We're operating under that pretense and have been. I didn't even consider lying (even if Krazy did) and didn't even really get the concept at first. My team is filled with people who enjoy winning so the pressure is double on me to perform and I have to tell them "sorry, feeling slightly demotivated and not important." I don't mean that in a melancholy way, It's just that it seems pretty hard to get a word in. Right now I sit pretty certain about a few things. I think this Pisskop wagon sucks, and especially from a set of fresh eyes. A lot of the arguments seem to pertain to what happened prior to my joining and associative of Pops, but me personally I think that is a useless endeavor given to Pops' (normally) erratic behavior. This remains true to how I sorta felt in Assassin's, and I was reading you as scum on an individual basis. It doesn't help that I thought Pops was town but in the back of my mind the mistake I made townreading her was believing a lot of her nonsense, which I think she uses as a crutch.

One thing that I can recall from this game is S_S saying he 0 opinion of me essentially and is now voting me? I don't understand where the sudden shift happened and if it did I would like a reasoning for it perhaps.

[unwnd]

Titus' behavior has suddenly heightened in order to lynch Pisskop but I think where scum is down a mate the strategy is definitely not to be bold. I think if I happen to be wrong on Pisskop this could end up a good spew but the question remains if the same wagon happens in sorta the same fashion as Pops and truly is just a bingo? Like, I don't understand people talking about VCA and then not considering what is happening before their very eyes.

[unwnd]

He instead attacks my methods because he knows his partner flips scum and I'll be right back on him given the consensus on Nancy town. So he'll go for a mislynch on Elsa instead.

Do you really think Me / Piss are scummates together lol

[unwnd]

He instead attacks my methods because he knows his partner flips scum and I'll be right back on him given the consensus on Nancy town. So he'll go for a mislynch on Elsa instead.

Do you really think Me / Piss are scummates together lol

No. Smh. Pisskop and NaCl.

Entertain me on that reasoning? I've been light skimmming.

[unwnd]

VOTE: Pops

@Eddie, I am just apathetic and exhausted IRL.

VOTE: unvote

He unvoted 4 posts after you (momentum stopping) and when he was the new third competing wagon (making it Eddie v Pops v unwnd). At the point Pops and Unwnd are competing wagons, its pretty clear I am now viewed as townie; I was very evidently not aligned with either of them. So I don't think its overtly townie to unvote at that point and more null, because its pretty clear I'm not dying.

To be clear, I still have you as hard town and I don't think you're with unwnd. I just don't agree.

I really think you just have the mentality of falling on your own sword when it comes to this Krazy read

[unwnd]

I really think you just have the mentality of falling on your own sword when it comes to this Krazy read

Wdym?

You're OK with being wrong to absolve any guilt you had towards Krazy. I understand your disposition, but that still doesn't detract from it well, being a wrong read

[unwnd]

Please give me and my teammates some time to post some thoughts.

[unwnd]

Ah, was that hammer? Oh well and good luck. You guys seem resigned to whatever Krazy did, and if it sounds like I'm a broken record you should see how I feel having the majority of arguments made against me based on what Krazy did lol..

[unwnd]

You sure? My counting could be off. Is it bad if I don't care anyway?

[unwnd]

I won't self-hammer though

Is there anything people want from me before I am given the electric chair? Guillotine? Hanging? Dunno, it's your murder decide what u wanna do