Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over
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I didn't realise this game had started, I'll catchup later. @mod: Are we allowed to talk about the othe games in Team Mafia during this game?
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You guys mind if I lurk the first few day phases out? I joined too many games and this is lower down on my priority list. My partners will probably check in later.
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Hi, I'm here. Sorry if I've been inactive, I didn't know this thread existed, or really anything about this whole Team Mafia thing other than what you guys have told me. I've seen my role PM now and am ready to begin playing.
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I cannot answer for Hectic but am here as myself, Thilbert. I have known Hectic for many generations, and we were playing jester nightless mafia with each other while we still frequented our cribs. I would like to answer any questions, if you have them. I have read the first two pages.
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I have not actually read the first two pages, Elsa Jay. I was hoping no one would question me on this, but I have failed to get away with this due to your astute thought process and sharp critical thinking skills. I will read the first two pages now, as I am Town, and would like to help the Town.
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I'm back. Not sure if I should say this, but someone broke into my house and apprehended Thilbert; they said they were throwing him into mafiascum jail. He said he'd caught up and meta analysed every player in the thread. He was in the middle of telling me his solve for the mafia team when they got him, the bastards.
But I did hear him shriek "nan" on the way out. So he was either screaming for his nan, the poor thing, or telling me Nancy Drew 39 is scum.
VOTE: Nancy Drew 39
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read the first two pages and i think Titus is probably town. dumb play tbh but if she's mafia revealing our neighbourhood doesn't help her mafia team. also her proposal was obviously going to be shot down so i don't think she was trying to make others claim as mafia. hope you liked my catchup i'll be chipping in when Hectic is busy
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I've been given a final warning for signing the post as "Mysterious Stranger", even though he's not part of the team, and now I'm sad.In post 233, Elsa Jay wrote:The gimmick is obvious, Hec, so I don't mind doing it. Seems Mic disagrees though.- Hectic
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I don't, I've only read the first two pages because I've been out with friends. Her name fit my purposes for the joke.
I've been staring at your post for quite a while now, Bob. You know how you know something's off, but you can't put your finger on what that is? Well, your post had that kind of uncanny valley feeling to it, but an hour into my scrutiny, I got it.
There's no typos in that post.
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Pretty suspicious, right? If on average you make 8 typos per post, and you correct two on average for every double check, that would mean you double checked that post 4 times.
Double check × double check × double check × double check = asixteenble check
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I can't do the gimmick anyway now; it's been shot down by the mafiascum police. Also, that's not really a reason to say I'm scum. VOTE: Pine
I'll be V/LA until Monday, but I'll make a special exception for this game on Sunday, because you all seem like wonderful people and I wouldn't want to let any of you down. @mod: V/LA until 06/01.- Hectic
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Knowing you, 110.
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Hi, Nancy, are you related to Doctor Drew?
I'm V/LA until Monday in case you missed that; I was being serious when I said I've only read the first two pages.
I'll come and obvtown my slot real quick when I'm back so you don't need to worry.
Ohwhoops, I just dropped my, how clumsy of me! I guess I'll retreat into mystethoscope, and consult myconsulting room.Drew
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I'll be catching up later today.
@Nancy: What's up with suddenly declaring I'm town and then voting me straight after I'd garnered some votes? What changed your mind? The reason I've been unengaged is because I haven't read up yet. I don't believe I'm being any less friendly than I usually am.
@Pine: How am I drawing out a doctor claim when it's been confirmed that I'm a neighbour?- Hectic
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Thoughts:
-I initially townread Titus for clumsily revealing our hood, but on second thought, she'd have to have missed the fact that we can reveal hoods before being lynched, to prevent scum shenanigans, and confirming the phone operator and doctor as ICs is worse on day 1 rather than day 3. Also, how doctor can protect confirmed town if we happen to lynch a scum which makes their town neighbour confirmed. We don't want them to be easy nightkills for scum. The scum motivation to outing the hood is doing so to get townread for having a strong misinformed opinion I suppose? I don't think scum!her thinks her anti-town idea will actually pick up steam, so she only proposes it as scum if she thinks people will TR her for proposing an anti-town idea which she's less likely to push as scum.
-SS (Aa) is being sensible.
-Nancy being so careful with votes and unvoting I don't like. Why not leave the vote on when they're not likely to being lynched? Reason I think this could be scum-indicative is because scum want to appear cautious and not make enemies. Any metareads on Nancy would be insightful.
-I don't like Pine's 51. I assumed his RVS first post was a joke, so clarifying here seems unnecessary/a little cautious?
-Note: The Phone Operator is also an IC when they reveal, since they can confirm they have access to all neighbourhoods by referencing specific things from each of them.
-I picked this setup because it sounded like the most fun one.
-Titus' stubbornness is strange. Particularly 100. I feel it's been well explained how it's inoptimal to follow Titus' plan rather than Elsa's and SS' which are superior, so her saying "I'm outvoted" rather than agreeing the other plans are superior is strange. I think Town!Titus would've realised the superiority of the other plan by now.
-107: Why scum in particular? Lolhammers come more often from town. This is probably semantics and NAI.
-Liking Elsa Jay for his "townslip" and 145
-178: Surprised at this, hard null for me so far. Are you townreading him for how carefree he is?
-I find myself agreeing with the reads on 197. Thinking Krazy is obvtown but not a strong townread is weird, and don't agree with the read on Titus.
-127 and 192 are bad, but I'm thinking I might be biased against Pine knowing what comes from him later.
-Sigh, do I regard 201 as a townslip? In general, I do feel that townslips are real 80%+ of the time, so slightly town-indicative I guess.
-208: She's telling us what one of her team members think. "That feels like a way to shift responsibility off your own reads." - I don't like this from NaCl.
Aaand I'm all caught up to my first post of the game. I'll pick up where I left off later.- Hectic
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Do you mean a lot of it is about Titus? It's the thing I most disagreed with since the consensus opinion was settling on Titus town, so more reason to argue/talk about it.- Hectic
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Ah, right.......In post 656, Something_Smart wrote:
> "I picked this setup because it sounded the most fun"In post 654, Hectic wrote:-Note: The Phone Operator is also an IC when they reveal, since they can confirm they have access to all neighbourhoods by referencing specific things from each of them.
-I picked this setup because it sounded like the most fun one.
> Immediately gets an important part of the setup completely wrong
I got confused with mentalist mafia if that was what it was called where a mentalist could read everyone's PTs. Ignore me.- Hectic
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Because I thought it was stupid for scum!you to push this anti-town strat and that outing our hood does not benefit your scum team because you learn no new info, and I thought you were misguided. But then I realised all the reasons why it should be obvious the strat isn't good, which makes it slightly more likely you're fabricating the push for the strat.In post 659, Titus wrote:
What specifically changed your mind? You had town vibes because I felt genuine before you left. Now I don't.In post 657, Hectic wrote:Do you mean a lot of it is about Titus? It's the thing I most disagreed with since the consensus opinion was settling on Titus town, so more reason to argue/talk about it.
What is your pops read?
I'll look in to pops now.- Hectic
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Hopkirk thinks if you've got a breaking strat or idea, you post about it in your neighbourhood first to see if your neighbour points out any obvious problems. Too trigger happy and a little LAMIST.
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But then again, Hopkirk thinks there's very little incentive for scum!Titus to make that play in the first place. No info gained.
Though, I think the incentive could be getting townread for a misguided push.- Hectic
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That's true, but how about posting it in thread as an idea without outing your neighbour?In post 670, Titus wrote:
Gee, tell the person that has high odds of being scum your breaking plan first.In post 668, Hectic wrote:Hopkirk thinks if you've got a breaking strat or idea, you post about it in your neighbourhood first to see if your neighbour points out any obvious problems. Too trigger happy and a little LAMIST.
I kinda agree.
Also, you now have an excuse for not getting nightkilled since you're a confirmed neighbour, which is another incentive.- Hectic
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Hopkirk says I'm doing my towntell hard. Just saying.
I fundamentally disagree that I have a towntell though.- Hectic
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You talking to me or Titus?In post 672, Something_Smart wrote:Gee, tell the person you want to sort something that might help you sort them.- Hectic
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I like pops, but I always like pops.
@pops: Why does it feel like SS is mimicking his town meta? I didn't notice you specify the subtle differences, if they exist.- Hectic
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I really dislike Pine btw. I haven't fully caught up but I want to skip ahead and talk about his. He scumreads me for joking around. Some others like pops mention it's NAI for me.
And then he thinks I'm drawing a doc claim out while I'm a neighbour. I mention this to him and I really don't believe he thinks I actually thought I could out a doctor who wasn't paying attention and forgot I was a confirmed neighbour. It was literally the 5th post of the game where Titus claims we're neighbours, and much of the discussion after is regarding that. No doc is going to counterclaim that obvious joke.In post 641, Pine wrote:
Right here:In post 623, Hectic wrote:@Pine: How am I drawing out a doctor claim when it's been confirmed that I'm a neighbour?
Here, obviously. The "hint hint" especially has no function from a Town perspective, but could very easily be intended to draw out a Doctor who isn't close-reading to say "aha! I counterclaim!"In post 577, Hectic wrote:Ohwhoops, I just dropped my, how clumsy of me! I guess I'll retreat into mystethoscope, and consult myconsulting room.Drew
(hint hint)
Just because it's clumsy doesn't make it not scummy. And if you're Town just dicking around, then you should be ashamed of yourself and knock it the fuck off. This is Team Mafia, not some random Mini you joined on a lark.
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Did you answer this, Nancy?In post 623, Hectic wrote:@Nancy: What's up with suddenly declaring I'm town and then voting me straight after I'd garnered some votes? What changed your mind? The reason I've been unengaged is because I haven't read up yet. I don't believe I'm being any less friendly than I usually am.- Hectic
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Hmm, so why did you declare I was town earlier?In post 682, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
I was sheeping Piss based on not liking your tone but I haven’t caught up yet.In post 623, Hectic wrote:I'll be catching up later today.
@Nancy: What's up with suddenly declaring I'm town and then voting me straight after I'd garnered some votes? What changed your mind? The reason I've been unengaged is because I haven't read up yet. I don't believe I'm being any less friendly than I usually am.
@Pine: How am I drawing out a doctor claim when it's been confirmed that I'm a neighbour?- Hectic
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No particular reason, I was just joking around.In post 693, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:But you’re wrongly reading me here. Why did you direct that stethoscope post to me in particular? Like you obviously can’t be the doc, so why make that post?- Hectic
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Here I thought you thought I was a doc softing.
Here I thought you realised I was a nieghbour, so I can't be doc.In post 582, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:No wait. I’m confused now.
So I was confused when you made this post, since I thought it was for other reasons.In post 584, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
But he’s town.In post 582, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:No wait. I’m confused now.
VOTE: Eddie
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So at what point did you realise I wasn't PR softing? What were you confused about otherwise there?In post 696, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I thought you were PR softing but then I thought maybe you were just trying to out the doc.- Hectic
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There's no secret calculated reason, Nancy. I was justIn post 720, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Can you tell me why you made that post - the stethoscope one?In post 704, Hectic wrote:Here I thought you thought I was a doc softing.
Here I thought you realised I was a nieghbour, so I can't be doc.In post 582, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:No wait. I’m confused now.
So I was confused when you made this post, since I thought it was for other reasons.In post 584, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
But he’s town.In post 582, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:No wait. I’m confused now.
VOTE: Eddie
Back on Eddie for now - not interested in voting Hectic any longer.memeingas they call it nowadays.
When you called me town, did you still think I was a PR softing? If so, what were you confused about in the post preceding that one?- Hectic
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"When you called me town, did you still think I was a PR softing? If so, what were you confused about in the post preceding that one?" - What about this, Nancy?In post 731, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I thought you outed PR, doc specifically but then I remembered that you obviously couldn’t be doc, because of Titus.- Hectic
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In post 579, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
No, why?In post 577, Hectic wrote:Hi, Nancy, are you related to Doctor Drew?
I'm V/LA until Monday in case you missed that; I was being serious when I said I've only read the first two pages.
I'll come and obvtown my slot real quick when I'm back so you don't need to worry.
Ohwhoops, I just dropped my, how clumsy of me! I guess I'll retreat into mystethoscope, and consult myconsulting room.Drew
(hint hint)In post 582, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:No wait. I’m confused now.In post 584, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
But he’s town.In post 582, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:No wait. I’m confused now.
VOTE: Eddie
Back on Eddie for now - not interested in voting Hectic any longer.
@Nancy: In your posts here, you seem to think I'm softing PR at first, but then realise I can't be doc in post 582. So why are you still of the opinion that I'm town in 584? The reason I want to hear about this is because I believe it could be an inconsistent thought process which would be scum-indicative.In post 589, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
I thought he was trying fake PR but he could I suppose be doing to doc hunt? So, you maybe right.In post 585, pisskop wrote:i do not tr heck. yu do?- Hectic
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@Nancy: Ah, I didn't realise you explaining your thought process would out you're not the doc, good point. I'm not trying to PR hunt, I just genuinely thought that the order of those posts were strange and think it might have been scum-indicative based on inconsistent thought process. Now that you've confirmed you're a neighbour, mind answering the question?- Hectic
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I don't think it's antitown IMO. It should be obvious to any competent scum team (which should be any possible combination here) that you weren't the doc based off your reaction there, if you're town.In post 761, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:And I don’t remember who it was who said this but how is it even remotely NAI for Hectic to be “antitown”. He has been clearly pro-town in every single game I’ve played with him.- Hectic
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Yeah, if you're town, it's my fault. Possibly outing the PR is not protown, but we know that we're both neighbours now, so elaborating on your thought process now won't out anything else I believe.In post 765, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Yes, and that’s your fucking fault! I clearly didn’t want to do that. You didn’t tell me how my risking possibly outing the PO is protown yet. I’m not responding to another word until you convince me of that.In post 763, Hectic wrote:@Nancy: Ah, I didn't realise you explaining your thought process would out you're not the doc, good point. I'm not trying to PR hunt, I just genuinely thought that the order of those posts were strange and think it might have been scum-indicative based on inconsistent thought process. Now that you've confirmed you're a neighbour, mind answering the question?
Doubting what? You had a strange order of reactions which I've explained. You're either town and your thought process will explain that, which is why I'm asking for it, or you're scum which is why it's inconsistent. If I'm missing something here and risk outing a PR by having this discussion, please let me know, because I'm clearly missing something here.In post 767, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
So why tf are you still even doubting that? Since when is town!you ever this dense?In post 764, Hectic wrote:
I don't think it's antitown IMO. It should be obvious to any competent scum team (which should be any possible combination here) that you weren't the doc based off your reaction there, if you're town.In post 761, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:And I don’t remember who it was who said this but how is it even remotely NAI for Hectic to be “antitown”. He has been clearly pro-town in every single game I’ve played with him.- Hectic
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I've taken responsibility; I admit that was my fault if you're town, and I can't convince you that was a pro-town post... because it wasn't.In post 770, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Yes Hectic, it definitely is your fault because of that dumb gimmick post. And the fact that you’re not even acknowledging how extremely antitown that was and refusing to take any responsibility for it at all is concerning.
I already told you, if you don’t convince me on how possibly risking outing the PO is protown. I’m not freaking answering you. If you could clearly tell I wasn’t the doc based off of my reaction then why tf are you still pursuing this?
And just to make this crystal clear to you:
If you don’t convince me on how possibly risking outing PR is protown, I’m not answering your question.
So do that or stop asking.
@everyone: Am I wasting my time, or could someone else ask Nancy the question if they think there's merit to this? I'm unsure yet if her stubbornness to not answer the question is genuine frustration, or if I'm onto something and she doesn't want to explain herself. I need a fifth opinion.- Hectic
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I don't understand how explaining your thought process will risk outing another PR. Whatever, I'm getting nowhere with this.In post 777, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Are you scum here or seriously being this dense? Are you not fucking reading my posts or what? I said, fucking convince me that risking possibly outing freaking PR is protown! God!- Hectic
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Same reasons as before. I do need to read pages 11 to 24, and I'll get to that tomorrow.In post 785, OkaPoka wrote:why pine again?- Hectic
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Nancy, I have been a little unhappy irl recently. I try not to let real life affect my emotions here, but maybe it leaked into my interaction with you? I'm not sure how though because I was just trying to stay level headed and reasonable. My lack of engagement before was because I hadn't read the game until yesterday.
But since you've somehow gauged that and are scumreading me for it, please don't. I'm not asking you to townread me for this, I just want you to consider it NAI. Also, vote Pine with me if you scumread him too.
I've realised I shouldn't force myself to play if I'm feeling down so I'll be back tomorrow after hopefully a good night of sleep.- Hectic
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One more thing, I do agree with pops' reasons for scumreading Eddie. He outed them to prove a point rather than productive reasons, that's a scum mindset where he wants to be correct about everything, but being correct does not equal being town.- Hectic
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Scumread when I joke around, and scumread when I post seriously. There's no winning in this game and I don't have much motivation to play. But here's a reads lsot from the top of my head (mobile posting)
Pine - scum: Scumread me early on for NAI things, and since then has talked about me being scum while talking about teams and wolves, yet not stated any reasons for me being scum.
Nancy - townlean: The only scum pings I got from her were during those whole doctor shenanigans but if she speaks the truth in that she never takes emotions, then it's NAI.
Okapoka: Townread
SS: Townread
Eddie: Scumlean based off pops' logic
Pops: Townlean, logical posts through the game. Her reaction seemed genuine when Eddie outed the hood
DDL: Scumlean - haven't liked his content this game, and vote hopping onto me
Titus: scumlean - reasons I've specified already and being okay with a flip 9 days early is ???
Elsa Jay - neutral: I don't remember much but he seemed alright? The attempted hammer is NAI because he admitted to it when it wasn't obvious he actually thought that would be a hammer
That's everyone I remember right now.- Hectic
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I'll be on today though. I ISOed both Eddie and DDL and Eddie's other contributions have actually been decent, hence the DDL vote.
Just give me a call if you're interested in Pine or have a dayvig for sale though.- Hectic
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OK, so I forgot a LOT of people in my reads list. Bob is being extra robotty and hasn't OMGUSed this game, but only I've voted for him iirc, and that was an obvious joke vote. When we gonna see your famed VCA, Bob? Amrun is a gut scum but not really sure why.- Hectic
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What, you mean scumreading 3 people on my wagon and townreading most people off? Just how it turned out, I try not to be OMGUSey; the wagon wasn't in my mind when I was making the reads list.- Hectic
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For people who think I'm memeing less than normal, please note the final warning I received for the memeing. My gimmick this game was going to be signing my posts from random people and playing those personas per post, but that got shot down so what can you do.- Hectic
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Like, half the town are scumreading me for it, and the other half are saying I'm "ruining" Team Mafia by doing it. Make your minds up.- Hectic
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Like, half the town are scumreading me for not memeing, and the other half are saying I'm "ruining" Team Mafia by doing it. Make your minds up.In post 1079, Hectic wrote:Like, half the town are scumreading me for it, and the other half are saying I'm "ruining" Team Mafia by doing it. Make your minds up.
Clarification.- Hectic
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Lul, I'm just being honest with what my reads are. I can elaborate on my townreads if you want me to, specifically on SS or OkaPoka, I'm not just making these up to "jury-manipulate". The confidence with how you're talking about me being scum here is really irking me.In post 1081, Pine wrote:
You’re throwing up scumreads on controversial people who aren’t going to change their minds on you and trying to appeal to those who might be swayed. I mean, credit for effort, but a successful attempt would include reasoning and maybe a false positive or two. Condemn someone who thinks you’re Town, that sort of thing. A no-effort jury management...nah.In post 1075, Hectic wrote:What does that mean? It's the people who came to mind.
"credit for effort"? - I mean come on, dude, there's no way you're this confident I'm scum. You basically locked me as scum from my first few posts of the game, and I don't buy it.- Hectic
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Also, isn't it true the other way around? I could appeal to people on wagon to try and sway their votes, since people off my wagon are less likely to matter.In post 1083, Something_Smart wrote:
That post didn't try to appeal to any specific player.In post 1081, Pine wrote:You’re throwing up scumreads on controversial people who aren’t going to change their minds on you and trying to appeal to those who might be swayed.
And it's false anyway, I'm townleaning Nancy who says she'll probably end up voting me anyway, and townreading Oka who's on my wagon, and Elsa is "fine", and he's on my wagon.- Hectic
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VOTE: Pine
Multiple people have said this could be scum, but haven't taken action. Vote him if you think he's scum.- Hectic
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Also, he scumread me early because he saw me as an easy push for my memeing, and claimed to scumread me for trying to out the doc when clearly that can't have been the case.In post 1084, Hectic wrote:
Lul, I'm just being honest with what my reads are. I can elaborate on my townreads if you want me to, specifically on SS or OkaPoka, I'm not just making these up to "jury-manipulate". The confidence with how you're talking about me being scum here is really irking me.In post 1081, Pine wrote:
You’re throwing up scumreads on controversial people who aren’t going to change their minds on you and trying to appeal to those who might be swayed. I mean, credit for effort, but a successful attempt would include reasoning and maybe a false positive or two. Condemn someone who thinks you’re Town, that sort of thing. A no-effort jury management...nah.In post 1075, Hectic wrote:What does that mean? It's the people who came to mind.
"credit for effort"? - I mean come on, dude, there's no way you're this confident I'm scum. You basically locked me as scum from my first few posts of the game, and I don't buy it.- Hectic
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You're right, I do feel nervous here because no one wants to be mislynched day 1 in team mafia, but I'm trying to be as transparent as possible to fix that.In post 1089, Something_Smart wrote:See, here's the problem.
Now I feel like Hectic is under enough pressure that his posts are going to be nervous and forced, regardless of his alignment. I agree that the readlist looked forced, I don't agree that it looked political, and I think it's definitely something a townie of Hectic's experience level might produce under serious pressure. (Terseness is actually a towntell there.)- Hectic
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I don't have a rep for being mislynched actually. I've only been mislynched once in ~20 games including alts.In post 1095, pisskop wrote:The time to 'read as genuine' is when he isn't the focal point. he's done this multiple times so far.
I sr his play here in this game, his reputation for being mislynched notwithstanding
I was the focal point from the moment I started reading the game, because I was being scumread for joking around before I even caught up...- Hectic
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Yeah, I probably would be less present if voted less, but people really need to stop associating defensiveness and survivalist nature with being scum, most town don't want to be mislynched just as much as scum don't want to be lynched.
Though, I do have reasons for being less present earlier, because I was V/LA. - Hectic
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