Mini Theme 2112: Skyrim Mod Upick Town Win

[alimdia]

Looking at it, the mage stone is pretty bad. However, it says the stone power does have some effects, so its possible that powers that weaken town's ability during the day, strengthen their power in the night?

[alimdia]

Warrior means Plurality at deadline means we get less info about who would vote someone at the deadline.

Wizard means 1 less vote to hammer, which means we get 1 less voting info about who would vote someone.

Archer means scum won't get PT, but any other PT groups also won't get it.

My crackpot theory is that whichever stone is active also powers other stuff

[alimdia]

VOTE: Thief stone

day 1, not much stuff, prob go with this.
Later on can change if people reveal what stones do.

[alimdia]

Don't think you can vote for people in the morning phase lol

[alimdia]

So VOTE: Warrior Stone?

VOTE: wake88

[alimdia]

I haven't played skyrim so I asked the mods to give me one. Yours might be what you say, where it doesn't clearly point towards something, but others might not. I don't see great value in claiming now, its just gonna clog up actual scumhunting if everyone talks about this instead.

[alimdia]

I have no idea what your last sentence means.

[alimdia]

And.... its a cold take so its potentially scummy?

Point



You

[alimdia]

Pretty sure you're trying to bait out PRs here

[alimdia]

Was talking about Pine

[alimdia]

Looks like Pine already baited 2 ppl

[alimdia]

what's that?

^

That kind of defeats the purpose, though :/

Well I think maybe it's just not a good enough of an idea.

For sake of argument, in a normal setup, you could have everyone claim a set of five roles they possibly are and constrain their claims to those five in massclaim later, but it isn't deemed to be a good tradeoff against giving the scum the information. Here you're not getting to handpick the X roles, and there's a concern that X might be a lot closer to one or two sometimes.

I think the occasional use of flavor cops in uPicks is a better justification than anything else

Honestly claiming the 5 role thing is a better idea than claiming flavour

[alimdia]

Pretty sure Eve is trolling here.

I am not in any PT with Eve so.... everything she's saying is void lmao.

[alimdia]

Alimdia after our last game I'm worried I won't sort you right because you get kind of adversarial sometimes. And that makes me want to read red.

Let's try not to bristle our quills too soon to figure things out.

What do you think about my basis for thinking a day 1 Blatant Scum lynch might be a good idea?

Your basis is basically from 1 whole game of meta? Not too keen on that.

Pretty sure you're trying to bait out PRs here

Are not Upicks usually games where everyone has some type of role? They have been in the two games that I have played.

Looks like Pine already baited 2 ppl

So, what do you make of Pine trying successfully to bait 2 ppl?

No idea about the Upick thing.
Seems anti-town to do so. Helps scum narrow down which roles they are afraid of and kill those.

Blatant Scum made his PT comment in the middle of page 2. Thief Stone was hammered towards the bottom of page 2. If TiphaineDeath decided to post before fully reading the thread, I would expect that to naturally occur at a page transition.

If it didn't occur at a page transition, and he was so excited about the content of Blatant's post that he jumped to page 5 to vote, I would expect the sequencing "vote blatant scum, vote warrior stone"

I am going to VOTE: TiphaineDeath on this.

TiphanieDeath had already posted after the conclusion of the first phase. He voted on page 3 in post #51.

Ima sheep you now

I would like for alimdia to explain why they are posting in the Neighborhood thread despite:

1. All PTs being locked for the rest of the day phase
   
2. Not posting in the main thread

See my previous post

[alimdia]

It could be either at the moment, the big post she made justifying the flavour claiming is NAI to me, as I know both scum and town can make big effort posts.

Other than that, he hasn't really posted much after that.

However, I am slightly TR'ing pops now.

[alimdia]

Fellas I have a crackpot theory but I'd like to wait for Eve to respond first lol.

[alimdia]

Like how did she know I had a dayvig???

[alimdia]

I'm pretty sure like they're all trolling.

Except I'm really not in a PT with Eve

[alimdia]

Next person to joke about being in PTs gets my vote

[alimdia]

Waitaminute, there was a thing, with a fake neighborhood, and posting when you couldn't?

This is the second occurrence of you not reading the game and missing something of note whilst continuing to vote people for actions or play that you deem bad, but do not attribute alignment to. How is it that you were able to find my post to zero in on, but not understand the broader context of the game at that moment?

yeah I assume you are saying Eve is scummy as you are voting her, but at this point it looks like you're just flinging random votes to do something instead of actually trying to convince other people that X is scum? For the record Eve saying shes in a neighbourhood with me is really suspicious.

[alimdia]

And I wanna know why/how Eve thought it was a good idea

[alimdia]

I was addressing Tiphaine.
The quote just had both thingees there.

[alimdia]

Here's another random flung vote for you then, VOTE: Alim

I consider post#228 a scum-claim, and will exercise my position as resident tenacious delirium by leaving vote here until there is a REALLY good reason not to. Also, anyone who can tell me why I made that vote gets a cookie.

VOTE: TiphaineDeath

No you give the reasons for the vote, not ask people to give you one because you couldn't think one up.

[alimdia]

Firstly, it wasn't OMGUS.

Secondly.... OMGUS isn't a scumtell anyway.

Thirdly, you can fuck off with your condescending 'sweetie'

Ohai!

Vote Pine

Real post later

The real post after:

VOTE: WarriorStone

VOTE: BlatantScum

Yeah, I actually give 0 fucks whether this is town or scum, some behaviors must be punished or they continue.

Does a vote based off ..... a joke claim. Seems like a way to avoid talking about other stuff. Currently NAI

No, see, there are actions that are less-than-competent and actions that are blacklist worthy. Scumclaims, in my opinion, fall in to the latter category, only now I have two of them because sujimichi felt like doing it to so now I just hate everyone. I may simply ask to be replaced out of this game with apologies to JJH, have not decided yet.

Doing it again. Add in some ATE with the 'may replace out' part, which breaks site rules by the way. Still NAI

No, post #153 was a scumclaim, and the fact that you don't immediately know that tells me you are in fact scum xD. VOTE: sujimichi

How many people have claimed scum or fake claimed something from your POV now?

IF THAT WASN'T A JOKE POST, HE IS SCUM.

If it was a joke post, he is a troll, and deserves rope.

Your rational for me being scum is the flimsiest piece of bullshit I have seen in years and I am half a breath away from either full-raging or voting you for it.

Trolls don't deserve rope. And it's not even a troll, just someone having fun. The only person that has the right of being a little mad is me, since I got dragged into a 'can talk in neighbourhood after theif stone hammered' claim, which was completely false. So far, all you've done is targeted people making 'joke claims'.

Feh, alright, fine, back to this then VOTE: BS and I mean that in all of its clever connotations.

Waitaminute, there was a thing, with a fake neighborhood, and posting when you couldn't?

You clearly read about it since you literally talked about it above (regarding Eve) See below:

Also as far as actual scum-hunting goes, unless Alim wants to come in and explain some shit to me I am pretty ready to vote eve for president.

I've explained the 'shit', but all you did was vote Eve without an explanation.

Yeah, cool, fuck this, VOTE: eve

Here's another random flung vote for you then, VOTE: Alim

I consider post#228 a scum-claim, and will exercise my position as resident tenacious delirium by leaving vote here until there is a REALLY good reason not to. Also, anyone who can tell me why I made that vote gets a cookie.

Still waiting for why 228 is a scum claim. That might never come.

[alimdia]

Proof that OMGUS isn't a scumtell: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 6&start=50

Why my vote is not an OMGUS: I have other reasons for voting you (see above post), and not just solely because your vote happened to be on me.

[alimdia]

Blatant Scum, what are your thoughts on what has transpired so far? Any stances on players?

I have a town read on TiphaineDeath, but I wish to keep the reason a secret for a while, observing his reactions on the wagon to make sure my read is correct.

Explain your town read? This really reads like a soft defense.

i am kinda suspicious of alimdia honestly - the way he's reacted so far reads to me as scum who knows someone is lying about something stupid and doesn't know how to react

he's in half a mind calling me suspicious for it and half a mind saying i'm just trolling

what is your read on me alimdia?

I have a crackpot theory that you and Wake are scum together.

Will you please share them?

Nothing really worth sharing yet.

I disagree. Your thoughts on other players, however minor you may think them, help establish your viewpoint and creates content with which to assess yours, and others', alignment. By withholding them, I am forced to think you do not actually have any.

You're welcome to think whatever you want. I pay attention and keep personal notes. Have released personal notes pt to public at the end of completed game before.

I mean... finding scum by yourself is only part 1. part 2 is convincing everyone else that you are right. If you're only doing part 1, you're doing us a great disservice.
Secondly, I don't understand the relevance of releasing personal notes at the end of the game, by that point the game is over - going "I was right!" doesnt really help anyone.
Finally, imagine if everyone says what you said - that they have their own reads but aren't sharing them. Do you think the game will progress or will it stagnate?

Yeah, 10000% one or more of eve+ami=scum, maybe both, but DEF one at this point.

You mean ali?

[alimdia]

Meh, no one wants to play with me. Fine 228 is scum because inconsistency=scum. It's literally the number one classic scum tell and the fact that no one else found it in the page or so since I pointed it out is rather depressing to me TBH.

You throw shade on me, the current leading wagon, and call the eve vote random while at the same time saying that eve's behavior is suspicious. You have the fence post lodged so firmly in your ass that I'm surprised the post didn't get censored for NSFW.

I said 'it looks like you are flinging random votes to do something instead of actually trying to convince other people that X is scum?'.
Please do not misrep me.
Is it not true? Look at your ISO. Before me, you've been flinging votes on people that make jokes/scum claims/whatever. Once again, you are doing part 1 and not part 2 (see prev post for what part 1 and part 2 are)
Yes Eve's behaviour is suspicious which is why my post 229 is asking for clarification.

I do feel that a lot of people are getting away with lurking though, so I will do a full analysis of everyone else later.

[alimdia]

I didn't say " my lack of sharing thoughts not worth sharing has resulted in you somehow being forced to think I do not actually have any thoughts." at all. Idk why everyone is misrepping me today

[alimdia]

Also saying something like "I didn't do it, and even if I did it's not bad," is hardcore lawyer talk, and, yeah, you guessed it, pretty damn scummy.

Agree ^

This is the extent of you pointing out why I'm scummy btw.

Also what's this thing you're doing where you ask everyone for permission to vote for someone? Do what you wish so that people can judge you for it later, not pawn it off on groupthink.

[alimdia]

Looked through the playerlist thoughts other than TD:

Aernonaut

: 4 posts, voted Theif Stone, other than that only has RVS votes/unvotes.

Blatant

Scum: Voted thief stone, a lot of fluff and jokes in his posts. I feel like there is some meat in post #254. Could you expand on why
you have a TR on Tiphaine? Activity is already low enough atm as is.

Dongfish

: I see your last post, look forward to your posts!

Eve

: Why wake and me specifically for your cheeky neighbourhood story? I know you said it sounded fun - but why us 2 specifically?
Not too much non-fluff content either.. mostly seemed to be directed at me.

Gobbledygook

:

VOTE: Pine

Eve town

Why?

Pops is town.

Blatant Scum is still scum.
Zenith is also scum.

Why?

I think that the asking permission to vote someone and then the subsequent post filled with questions is scummy.

I agree!

GuyInFreezer

,

Wake

: Post moar plx

Pine

: Voted thief stone, suggested a flavor claim, got a couple of claims, defers to Zenith??? for a D2 mass flavor claim. What do you think about the td vs me interaction?

pops

: Is your main case on TD at the moment, you thinking he faked a town slip? What do you think about the td vs me interaction?

Sujimichi

: Quite active (NAI), logical (NAI) and also I like his post 257. Forced to TR him at this point since he's one of the few trying.

Proof that OMGUS isn't a scumtell: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 6&start=50

Why my vote is not an OMGUS: I have other reasons for voting you (see above post), and not just solely because your vote happened to be on me.

An opinion poll from 12 years ago is not proof, and I question why you exerted effort to find that to support your opinion instead of a simple dismissal of it as invalid. Could you help me understand your reaction? Overall, your defense seems disproportionate to the attack, but that could be your behavioral style, and I don't disagree with your rationale for placing the vote, to begin with.

Bit tired of scummy people saying 'OMGUS' and then... just because they voted me first, it means I can't vote for them if I have other reasons?

Zenith

: I do want to know why you keep asking everyone if you can vote X though?

[alimdia]

Alimidia, what are you wanting answered with your second “why” to me?

Just wanna hear your reasonings basically

[alimdia]

May I have permission to vote for alimdia?

Again.
You don't need permission to vote.
It is

your

vote. If you feel that you should vote the person, vote it.
As long as it is not a hammer.

Also I just checked all his games to see if its something he usually does. It's not.

[alimdia]

You're welcome to think whatever you want. I pay attention and keep personal notes. Have released personal notes pt to public at the end of completed game before.

I think you miss the point. Withholding your thoughts does not help advance the game, and sharing them does. I do not see the benefit to town for you to withhold them.

Blue green 42 burritos mmm sriracha kittens moonlight nefarious rasta beetle.

Sharing every thought would be a antitown. Not witholding anything worth sharing.

@Anyone
May I have permission to vote for alimdia?

Why are you asking permission to vote for someone again?

Why not?

So what you are saying is that you have no opinions or reads about everyone else? Since that's what we're trying to get you to share, not what you ate for breakfast.

Also...1) you never asked permission to vote for people in your other games.
2) by asking everyone, you attempt to remove responsibility from yourself

Sujimichi: Quite active (NAI), logical (NAI) and also I like his post 257. Forced to TR him at this point since he's one of the few trying.

Blatant Scum made post 257. Which post of mine did you like, and why did you like it?

I believe it was 247. It definitely seems to help town more, and I'd have made that post too.

[alimdia]

Could we have a votecount? I believe it is L1

[alimdia]

I'll respond to other stuff when I'm less busy

[alimdia]

I’m growing to despise that argument. Even assuming both of TD’s partners decided to stick their necks out to defend him (unlikely) that would only be two people. “Resistance” is really only valid in large games where there’s a substantial scumteam covering one another and lategame when the ratio is more perilous.

Sup Fishy. Can you get me into this game? The weird thing is that it has some of my favorite players, but I’m not switched on yet

By the way, BS made the same argument.

Explain your town read? This really reads like a soft defense.

My point is, that he didn't do anything scummy at all, yet was catapulted to L-2.
+ some minor tonal reads.

Alimidia, what are you wanting answered with your second “why” to me?

Just wanna hear your reasonings basically

Pops is posing lots of original thoughts rather than trite buzzword scumhunting which is typical of scum.
Blatant Scum is blatant scum. I mean it is in the name. Can he be anymore obvious?

You already commented on my Zenith suspicions, which we agree on. Yay!

I don't see how BS is scum atm, but I can agree on your pops read.

alimdia would have had three votes and TiphaineDeath four. To say that your vote placed on anyone else would have been equivalent is disingenuous. Why is it better to take TiphaineDeath from four to five than alimdia from two to three? To simply create a larger wagon is not a good answer, as is it not also useful to review wagons of similar size?

Normally I agree, but at this stage of the game I would disagree.

UNVOTE:

I think a Sujimichi, Eve foundation for a town block is a good start.

VOTE: Dongfish this is probably scum for that vote though

So you think TD is town because of DongFish's vote?

Also saying something like "I didn't do it, and even if I did it's not bad," is hardcore lawyer talk, and, yeah, you guessed it, pretty damn scummy.

Agree ^

This is the extent of you pointing out why I'm scummy btw.

What more reasoning do I need to find you scummy?
Posts 243 and 244 were pretty sus..

Also what's this thing you're doing where you ask everyone for permission to vote for someone? Do what you wish so that people can judge you for it later, not pawn it off on groupthink.

I would like to vote you. I asked for permission to vote you. How is asking for permission pawning anything off on group think? I'm not sheeping or asking who to vote.

Nobody has given permission yet either.

If someone, anyone could just humor and grant permission each time I ask, then we could pretend I never asked and functionally it wouldn't matter.

So basically you think speaking in 'lawyer talk' = I'm scum.
And as others have said... asking for permission IS pawning off on group think. @everyone, I'd like your input on this.
The only exception is if.... as someone pointed out, your role actually needs permission for you to vote....

I think a Sujimichi, Eve foundation for a town block is a good start.

VOTE: Dongfish this is probably scum for that vote though

why do you townread me?

zenith - i give you permission to vote alimdia but only if you're town - if you're scum please vote sujimichi instead

You're welcome to think whatever you want. I pay attention and keep personal notes. Have released personal notes pt to public at the end of completed game before.

I think you miss the point. Withholding your thoughts does not help advance the game, and sharing them does. I do not see the benefit to town for you to withhold them.

Blue green 42 burritos mmm sriracha kittens moonlight nefarious rasta beetle.

Sharing every thought would be a antitown. Not witholding anything worth sharing.

@Anyone
May I have permission to vote for alimdia?

Why are you asking permission to vote for someone again?

Why not?

So what you are saying is that you have no opinions or reads about everyone else? Since that's what we're trying to get you to share, not what you ate for breakfast.

Also...1) you never asked permission to vote for people in your other games.
2) by asking everyone, you attempt to remove responsibility from yourself

Nonsense.
VOTE: alimdia

Nonsense? That's all you got?

[alimdia]

Pine, what you think about Zenith?

[alimdia]

lmao rekt

[alimdia]

Okay so...

No jokes..

I'm going to out my neighborhood because it seems like we are going to hammer thief stone again, and one of the members agreed last night.

We have... Wake, Aeronaut and I

[alimdia]

VOTE: Thief Stone

[alimdia]

Hence also my skittish response to Eve claiming to being in a neighbourhood with Wake and I

[alimdia]

My crackpot theory is that Wake is scum with Eve, told her that we are in a neighbourhood, before the thief stone was hammered, and then Eve was.... trolling with it?

[alimdia]

Also I think theres one scum in the neighbourhood

[alimdia]

Okay so...

No jokes..

I'm going to out my neighborhood because it seems like we are going to hammer thief stone again, and one of the members agreed last night.

We have... Wake, Aeronaut and I

I for one want to actually be able to use our Neighborhood.

If we're just going to keep voting Thief stone that's boring.

Warrior stone powers Warrior roles.

You mean the neighbour that you never talked in yet? (Even at night)

[alimdia]

Also I think theres one scum in the neighbourhood

Who do you currently think it is?

It could be wake simply because he just never talked in it. But I'm not sure if thats because he's afraid of not acting like a 'mason' like a town neighbour would, or just because he's afk as shit.

Also I said in the neighbourhood 'if anyone of us dies, the other 2 should out each other since theres likely a scum left', and guess what? All 3 of us are still alive.

[alimdia]

Lmao I can't believe I spent 30 mins trying to crack that cipher

[alimdia]

Anyway my mod is

Mod: Localised [redacted] Guild Jobs

[alimdia]

Also I think theres one scum in the neighbourhood

Who do you currently think it is?

It could be wake simply because he just never talked in it. But I'm not sure if thats because he's afraid of not acting like a 'mason' like a town neighbour would, or just because he's afk as shit.

Also I said in the neighbourhood 'if anyone of us dies, the other 2 should out each other since theres likely a scum left', and guess what? All 3 of us are still alive.

So by that logic when I flip Town and if Aero flips Town, then we should lynch you for being Scum?

There's always the possibility of all three of us being Town, you know.

Quite low, and the fact that you didn't talk at all in there means I can't read you. It's very telling what people say in a neighbourhood instead of a masonry.

Still waiting for Dongfish, Blatant Scum, and Aeronaut. Last one to participate earns a frowny face sticker. x,x

Anyway my mod is

Mod: Localised [redacted] Guild Jobs

I don't mind the redaction.

That said, I'm more curious about the reason for the redaction than I am about what was redacted. If you don't mind sharing, is there any particular reason you chose to redact?

I was trying to avoid clues to what stone I'm linked to, though I now see that effort was futile

How did I manage to sneak into town core?

At the least, if I'm correct then you don't seem to be scum.

I'll be around tonight to see what's going on here, but for now

VOTE: Eve

Eve is town.

Why?

[alimdia]

ah i see well i'm fine to vote warrior today and then the other one tomorrow - scum PT shouldn't be as useful to them with one of their members down and we can power everyone up once which might be good for info and claiming later

VOTE: Warrior

Just leaving this here...

Role:
Level-Based Rolestopper: Once per night, you may target a player.

If their role has a stone associated with it, and its path level is equal to or higher than the current cycle number

, their night actions cannot fail and they will be protected from one nightkill.

[alimdia]

Who are you waiting on Zenith?

[alimdia]

And can you relist what everyone claimed when you do whatever you're doing?

[alimdia]

Dong I highly recommend you read the whole thing while putting your thoughts on a notepad++ or something, because most of what you are commenting on.... will be made redundant shortly.

[alimdia]

ah i see well i'm fine to vote warrior today and then the other one tomorrow - scum PT shouldn't be as useful to them with one of their members down and we can power everyone up once which might be good for info and claiming later

VOTE: Warrior

Just leaving this here...

Role:
Level-Based Rolestopper: Once per night, you may target a player.

If their role has a stone associated with it, and its path level is equal to or higher than the current cycle number

, their night actions cannot fail and they will be protected from one nightkill.

I’m not getting the implication you’re trying to draw.

I believe that he is showing that contrary to what Blatant Scum stated is his assumptions based on dead players' roles and his own role, there are circumstances where a high path level is beneficial for town. The example quoted shows that popsofctown's role would be able to protect a player if their associated stone had a level equal to or higher than the current cycle (I am assuming this means phase). For example, a Thief Stone level of 2 would allow popsofctown's role to work on players associated with the Thief Stone during Night 1 (the second cycle/phase).

You hit the nail on the head

[alimdia]

Dong I highly recommend you read the whole thing while putting your thoughts on a notepad++ or something, because most of what you are commenting on.... will be made redundant shortly.

and so we don't get the thread flooded with catch up posts that aren't important

[alimdia]

facepalm*

[alimdia]

99% sure Dongfish is faking not having read day 1 lynch/night 1 flips before this 'catch up'. Thats literally impossible.
Me and TD SvS when TD already flipped town?

Trying to fake a town slip? Not on my watch.

[alimdia]

Why did you claim gobble lmao?

[alimdia]

Dong I highly recommend you read the whole thing while putting your thoughts on a notepad++ or something, because most of what you are commenting on.... will be made redundant shortly.

and so we don't get the thread flooded with catch up posts that aren't important

You arent the arbiter of whats important or not, you could always fuck off while i do this and come back to read my posts in one go, or you know post at me while im not paying attention to newer posts because thats a thing that works. Way to set expectations.

Sorry but er... theres this thing called "There has been new posts made since you last posted". Not skimming those is second only to my disbelief that you didn't read flips.

99% sure Dongfish is faking not having read day 1 lynch/night 1 flips before this 'catch up'. Thats literally impossible.
Me and TD SvS when TD already flipped town?

Trying to fake a town slip? Not on my watch.

Legit didnt read, ask Dong when he shows up, hes even further behind than i am now.

er yea no, takes 1 minute to read flips, and you spent way more than that 'catching up'.

Hence also my skittish response to Eve claiming to being in a neighbourhood with Wake and I

Dont you think that would indicate that someone had more knowledge that they should have? How would eve know wake was in a neighborhood?

Let me stop both of you.

Did she know I was in a Neighborhood before I posted about it?

If so then either there's another NH connected to ours OR one of the 3 in here are Scum. I would see Eve hanged today if she knew I was in a NH before any of us Neighbors said anything about it.

I feel like you haven't been paying attention..... Eve was joking about us 3 being in a neighbourhood for a long time in day 1. My crackpot theory (Which I posted before) was that you were in a scum PT with her and you told her about our neighbourhood, which she then used as a joke. Though now that I think about it, Aero could have leaked it too.

[alimdia]

Anyway pushing fish today after the stone gets selected, because all his catch up posts are just trying to show that he is doing something.

1) looking at flips takes 1 minute
2) making lots of posts makes it seem like he's doing stuff, when actually 50% of them are fluff, 30% of them are irrelevant already (percentages made up)



@Zenith.... will get to you later

[alimdia]

My role is fairly complicated. It is a toolbox. I have a 1-shot commuter ability that I can use independent of stone. I did not use it last night in case a vig or cop used their power on me because i hammered town. If it had been a scum flip, i would have used my commuter ability. My role does have something sweet but that requires Mage level 3. The lower mage levels do have other niche-useful things though.

I'm not sure what prompted this claim. Him saying you're apocalyse?

What makes you think I’m wooden? Would a wooden player hammer someone without a claim?

Does wooden mean mafia? Because then the answer to your second question is "yes."

Also, I do not agree with Zenith's request now that everything has transpired. I do not believe that flavor alone will be useful in sorting a player's alignment and could actually serve as a distraction.

Hard agree.

N1 I asked What's blank's flavor?
Filling in the blank with "everyone".

I bet this is not what JJH intended.
I believe he had to be raging while saw that question.

for sure lol.

By the way, there is a role blocker here.

nani?

Talking about vigs.
@Eve, can you shoot without Thief Rune?
I can give you 1-shot BP, but only if we choose Warrior stone.

NANI?

@Sujimichi
I also find the redactions interesting, particularly the thief redaction.
But yea I'm not trying to argue that mod names alone like Sneak Tools, Localised Thieves Guild Jobs, Apocalypse, etc are scummy because of flavor. Hell as a Cthulhu oracle know firsthand that even if a mod name sounds evil, it's not AI.

However, looking at a mod description can give a rough idea of what kind of power we are looking at, which can be used for setup spec.

@Blatant Scum
Ok, I see what you mean by titles.
I'm not sure about multiple clears though. Let's say I ask if goons (and specify afterward that by goons I mean the title) are aligned with town. If some are and some aren't, what would the mod answer? Yes no? Hmm.. Although if they are all aligned together then I think it could work for multiple clears or guiltys.

I redacted thief since you know.... thief stone.
But then I googled Localised Guild Jobs skyrim and the only things that popped up were localised thieves guild jobs, so I was like lmao

[alimdia]

Also er... Zenith isn't confirmed town from this.

Also Also... I don't see anything in your role that you claimed that stated that you had to ask permission to vote

[alimdia]

So... I'm just going to say it now but how my gut feels about Alimdia right now doesn't feel like the Town Alimdia I played with in that last Mini we played.

I can't put my finger on it but you Alimdia just feel a bit different. Obviously I could be wrong, but it's how I'm feeling at the moment. You may react as you wish but I can assure you there's a right way to respond and many wrong ways to respond.

In our past Town game you just felt... Different.

I'd like to see that mod confirmable ye?

Also... wasn't Fish posting and you're Dong? Lmao??????

[alimdia]

@Wake88, you do realise I brought that Eve and the neighbourhood point up first right???

[alimdia]

Quoted wrong post, was supposed to be post 608 in my post 609

[alimdia]

So... I'm just going to say it now but how my gut feels about Alimdia right now doesn't feel like the Town Alimdia I played with in that last Mini we played.

I can't put my finger on it but you Alimdia just feel a bit different. Obviously I could be wrong, but it's how I'm feeling at the moment. You may react as you wish but I can assure you there's a right way to respond and many wrong ways to respond.

In our past Town game you just felt... Different.

I'd like to see that mod confirmable ye?

Also... wasn't Fish posting and you're Dong? Lmao??????

I think you may have quoted the wrong person.

Quoted wrong post, was supposed to be post 608 in my post 609

[alimdia]

@Wake88, you do realise I brought that Eve and the neighbourhood point up first right???

You could also be Scum mentioning to a Scum partner the existence of the Neighborhood. What you said while casting shade towards me and Aeronaut also can apply to you.

Now

, did Eve mention the Neighborhood before any of us three said anything or not? Because if she did, that poses a problem. On this I want answers, and I will not stop until I have them.

Yes she did.
Please just read the thread, this is the last time I'm answering something that I've already said

[alimdia]

Alim, go ahead and push a mod confirmable slot, thatll look real good on you.

I dont give a fuck what you believe about my catch up. If you posted when I was going from one page to the next it wouldnt show up in my preview for pedits, and I dont look at whats been posted recently when i am doing a catch up like that. Believe me or dont, idgaf.

Please explain to me this mod-confirmable slot topic.

Its us. We will be mod confirmed to be town when a stone gets to lvl 5.

-Fishy

That’s... day 6 at the earliest now

Game will end by then. Bullshit of the highest caliber

[alimdia]

The morning has ended. The Warrior Stone has been selected by plurality.

Stone	Votes	Voters
Warrior Stone	4	Blatant Scum, Wake88, Zenith, Eve
Thief Stone	4	alimdia, Sujimichi, gobbledygook, Dongfish
Mage Stone	1	-
Not Voting	-	Mastina, Aeronaut

Ah, I can never resist a bit of melee.

Who is the 1 vote for mage stone or is that a typo? And what are the rules surrounding if there is a tie vote?

[alimdia]

I'd like to see that mod confirmable ye?

Also... wasn't Fish posting and you're Dong? Lmao??????

Get a stone to lvl 5 and you will.

And yes. I, Fish was posting and claimed. Then Dong got on and you were wondering what was going on. I, Fish, saw this and posted so you knew what was going on, that this was clearly a little hydra dissonance and that I would take care of it.

You have a bug up your ass because you dont think that I would play a way that I clearly did. You can scum read us if you want, but when any stone gets to lvl 5 we are mod confirmed to be town. We have no reason to lie.

The reason we wanted to claim is because we are not tied to any one stone. So we wanted town to know that town can be unaligned to stones.

Love the aggressive reaction when you're the one that fucked up by not reading flips, which take 1 minute, and then when I called you out on posted a bunch of 'catch up fluff' due to that.

[alimdia]

Game will end by then. Bullshit of the highest caliber

Thief is level 2.
I think it goes up by two levels (perhaps).

The vote only increases it by 1 level. But there might be other stuff that makes it increase, as the mod has said.

What is nani?

It means 'what' or wtf?(the way I use it) in japanese

alimdia i picked you and Wake to be in my neighbourhood because you were the two i recognised from that normal game we played where Plank won - literally the only reason why

okay...

99% sure Dongfish is faking not having read day 1 lynch/night 1 flips before this 'catch up'. Thats literally impossible.
Me and TD SvS when TD already flipped town?

Trying to fake a town slip? Not on my watch.

GemFish did you see this post while you were catchup posting? doesn't it return you to the most recent post every time you post?

That's what I'm fuqing saying.

Also er... Zenith isn't confirmed town from this.

Also Also... I don't see anything in your role that you claimed that stated that you had to ask permission to vote

do you think scum would get a role that powerful?

I think the mod didn't intend to make it that powerful. Based on what Zenith said, clearly it was intended to just ask 1 person's flavor, but he asked for 'everyones'.

VOTE: alimdia

I read through your interactions with Pine, and you seem to outwardly project that his behavior was scummy, but you do not actually do anything to push him and you never voted him. Pine also votes you early on without a strong push and then uses TiphaineDeath's vote on you to push TiphaineDeath as mafia. Your redaction of the word Thief from your flavor seems to come from a place of fear of how it will be interpreted where I think town would just claim it. You have posited that one scum exists in your neighborhood, yet you don't have a real opinion on who that is (you weakly shade Wake88 but give an excuse for him as well). Despite how well the fake townslip push went on Day 1, you seem to want to use it to push DongFish as Mafia.

Dongfish is a different scenario completely to TD.
I thought Pine asking for everyone to claim was suspicious, but TD held the majority of my attention.
Finally, I redacted Thief because theres literally a thief stone there...

I don't understand, and this doesn't sound like an actual explanation.

I redacted Thief because theres literally a thief stone path there...

[alimdia]

Considering the highest stone level is 2, and we didn't do thief again.....

[alimdia]

Might be time to reveal that I caused the theif stone to get to lvl 2 last night, but not because of a successful action.

Someone roleblocked me and made my actions fail, which hopefully implies that I'm more lilely to be town to you guys?


PEDIT: Expiry date of like.... 2-4 days, by which the game would have ended

[alimdia]

That was out of line mate

[alimdia]

Considering the highest stone level is 2, and we didn't do thief again.....

Hey Muppet, what is hard to understand. Any stone that gets to lvl 5, thief stone is at lvl 2 and we are on day 2. So obviously there is more going on than your feeble mind can comprehend. Maybe go back to something simple, like object permanence and then rework your way up from there.

No aggression, you just seem to be having a hard time understanding simple concepts, so I'm not really interested in talking to you.

I really wanna lynch this tryharding, lamist scumbag.

All these are out of line

[alimdia]

Who's pp? And which head of the hydra is talking.

[alimdia]

VOTE: alimdia

I read through your interactions with Pine, and you seem to outwardly project that his behavior was scummy, but you do not actually do anything to push him and you never voted him. Pine also votes you early on without a strong push and then uses TiphaineDeath's vote on you to push TiphaineDeath as mafia. Your redaction of the word Thief from your flavor seems to come from a place of fear of how it will be interpreted where I think town would just claim it. You have posited that one scum exists in your neighborhood, yet you don't have a real opinion on who that is (you weakly shade Wake88 but give an excuse for him as well). Despite how well the fake townslip push went on Day 1, you seem to want to use it to push DongFish as Mafia.

Dongfish is a different scenario completely to TD.
I thought Pine asking for everyone to claim was suspicious, but TD held the majority of my attention.
Finally, I redacted Thief because theres literally a thief stone there...

1. How is Dongfish a completely different scenario to TiphaineDeath?
   
2. Why did TiphaineDeath hold the majority of your attention over Pine? You seemed to quickly forget Pine's actions once TiphaineDeath began to get attention from other players.
   
3. What does the fact that there is a Thief Stone have to do with your redaction? My flavor is Sneak Tools, and I did nothing to redact that.

1. Its a different scenario because I didnt push TD for fake town slip, MY case on TD is in post 243. I first voted him because he wouldn't give reasons for his votes. Pops said TD was a fake townslip and Pine followed Pops on the wagon, not me.
2. Well we stopped the massclaim and yeah I tunneled quite a bit. TD was pretty rapidly hammered (half the day left) so I didn't have a chance to fully look at everyone in detail.
But I did look at other players near the tail end. Looking at it now, in Pine's post 326, she said that me and TD are distancing/bussing and us being SvS pre-flip. I'm pretty sure that points me as town.
3. My flavor had 'thief' in there.

I'm gonna look at other ppl other than Dong as well later when I'm free.
Also wanna see what Dong said about TD

[alimdia]

is Penguin Power even in the game? I'm confused

[alimdia]

Might be time to reveal that I caused the theif stone to get to lvl 2 last night, but not because of a successful action.

Someone roleblocked me and made my actions fail, which hopefully implies that I'm more lilely to be town to you guys?


PEDIT: Expiry date of like.... 2-4 days, by which the game would have ended

How do you know that you are the cause of the Thief Stone increasing by a level? Was this confirmed by the moderator? Also, how do you know that you were roleblocked? There are other explanations for your intended actions not resolving as you intended them to.

Well, because I read my role PM. I know I got roleblocked OR something that would cause my action to fail was done to me, because my actions failed.

[alimdia]

VOTE: Alimidia

Dongfish is town

Reasons?

Why could not your action fail if someone else was restricted in some manner? Did you intend to say actions in your second sentence?

Nah, I meant action. I mean, for example my action could have failed if they commuted? But role blocker is the most likely scenario. Either way, the thief stone went to lvl 2 because of me. Does anyone want to challenge that?

Finally, I redacted Thief because theres literally a thief stone there...

I don't understand, and this doesn't sound like an actual explanation.

I redacted Thief because theres literally a thief stone path there...

So what? I still don't get it. How are those dots connected? How does there being a thief stone make you reluctant to reveal that your mod name is Localised Thieves Guild Jobs? If your mod name were Localised Mage Guild Jobs would you redact Mage because there's a mage stone? If so, why? I don't understand.

Yeah, I actually wanted to avoid mentioning that I powered the thief stone to level 2 as well at the time of the claim, but I figured what the heck, lets do it.
Also, if the thief stone kept getting leveled up, being a thief stone related town PR will draw lots of fire my way, hence why I redacted it initially. However, as I mentioned, the redaction was pretty useless as there was only one
Localised _____ Guild

[alimdia]

By the way, there is a role blocker here.

Now that I was pretty sure I got role blocked last night, this post really strikes out to me. Can you explain?

[alimdia]

Its CNY today so super low activity

Dongfish’s positions and opinions seem really Town. Plus I don’t think they claim that role as scum

Alimidia, what is your opinion on Aeronaut

Will look at Aero later, I know they posted a bunch of stuff after the hammer, which could be analysed.

Nah, I meant action. I mean, for example my action could have failed if they commuted? But role blocker is the most likely scenario. Either way, the thief stone went to lvl 2 because of me. Does anyone want to challenge that?

How do you know that you are the cause of the Thief Stone increasing by a level? Was this confirmed by the moderator?

Yes, the mod has confirmed to me. I believe someone probably has a great power unlocked at lvl 5 thief stone so I'm like the support.

alimdia are you still suspicious of the neighbourhood thing? and do you think it's better to leave fish alive for a while or lynch them now?

Bla who are you suspcious of here? i haven't seen anything from you like that

Idk, I was kinda hoping we did thief today, cos nobody talks in my neighbourhood anyway, and we'd have lvl 4 thief tomorrow, hammer thief again at lvl 5 and force fish to 'mod confirm' him.
Now its kinda screwed and we have to hope I survive, and it takes 2 more days to 'confirm' Fish.

Please just read the thread, this is the last time I'm answering something that I've already said

Some people are trying to do that but having an incredibly hard time parsing it so I'd appreciate a talk-to-me-as-if-I-were-a-dummy breakdown of it so that idiot-me can understand the context behind everything.

The summary is that Eve claimed that she was in a neighbourhood with Wake and I, while Wake and I are actually in a neighbourhood with Aeronaut.
So I was suspicious of that, it seems quite a coincidence to use as a joke. But Eve did say it was because she knew Wake and I beforehand. Now... does anyone else here know Eve from before this game?
If so, that excuse kinda doesn't hold up.
I pointed that out when I outed the neighbourhood on Day 2, and it just seems like Wake is not caught up on stuff.

[alimdia]

Does anyone disagree with my {Mastina, Aeronaut, Wake} grouping?

The other players have had fairly townie isos given the claim stuff going on

Yeah, sounds you have nothing but bullshit to put me in your Scumpile.

What were you thinking?

Why do you feel you should be in his, or anyone's, "townpile?" You haven't contributed much to the game overall.

I didn't say that, did I?

And you, Sujimichi, should know that activity does not equal alignment.

I know that activity equals usefulness though

What's CNY?
Also, using my power 4 times without the mage stone means I die.
Lvl 5 on any stone might be too powerful. If we have both an op mage stone power, and an op thief stone power, that's too much op power, meaning scum is likely the owner of one of those op powers.
Because balance.

Assuming fish is being legit town here, I could see their role as being a sort of counterbalance in case ohshit town done fucked up now by making scum insane op.

So you need the mage stone to level up or just use it 3 times? Additionally, it seems pretty unlikely that any stone gets to 5? Unless we see the warrior stone rise to lvl 2 tonight, which means someone else has a clone of my powers.

i don't understand where all your anger is coming from Fish? naturally people will doubt each other given the weird mechanics why are you so frustrated?

Because Alim made a snap judgement about the way i caught up, and then when presented evidence that should make them reevaluate their read on our slot and instead of doing that at all, they double down on sring us. its just bad play all around and most likely from scum who committed to a read and doesnt see a way to back out of it.

Mate see my sig, calling me a scum that did bad plays is

Also.. what evidence?
This?

99% sure Dongfish is faking not having read day 1 lynch/night 1 flips before this 'catch up'. Thats literally impossible.
Me and TD SvS when TD already flipped town?

Trying to fake a town slip? Not on my watch.

Legit didnt read, ask Dong when he shows up, hes even further behind than i am now.

or this?

Alim, go ahead and push a mod confirmable slot, thatll look real good on you.

I dont give a fuck what you believe about my catch up. If you posted when I was going from one page to the next it wouldnt show up in my preview for pedits, and I dont look at whats been posted recently when i am doing a catch up like that. Believe me or dont, idgaf.

[alimdia]

@Wake, read neighbourhood chat

[alimdia]

By the way, there is a role blocker here.

Now that I was pretty sure I got role blocked last night, this post really strikes out to me. Can you explain?

Awaiting this answer still

[alimdia]

Does anyone disagree with my {Mastina, Aeronaut, Wake} grouping?

The other players have had fairly townie isos given the claim stuff going on

Well both Aero and Wake are in my neighbourhood, I highly doubt theres 2 scum in there.

Mate see my sig, calling me a scum that did bad plays is

Am i supposed to be impressed by your 100% scum win rate? I checked your topics and found that you have posted in 19 across the site on your account.

Now I dont know if youre a newbie or if youre an alt, but 19 games seems like a pretty small sample size and is going to have some issues statistically as a result of that. Hell, I think ive played more newbie games than threads you posted in.

And I mean if we are measuring dicks, have you ever had any of your scum games nominated for an award on site?

Sample size is small ye, but I'm just sayin I'm not a shitter

[alimdia]

Does anyone disagree with my {Mastina, Aeronaut, Wake} grouping?

The other players have had fairly townie isos given the claim stuff going on

Well both Aero and Wake are in my neighbourhood, I highly doubt theres 2 scum in there.

Why?

Well 2 scum in a neighbourhood of 3 doesn't make much sense does it? And they would have probably killed me last night to avoid me from outing the neighbourhood. 2 town 1 scum or 3 town seems more likely, because in the 2 town 1 scum scenario, scum wouldn't dare kill a neighbour since our plan was the other 2 outs each other, whereas 3 town well.. there'd be no killing.

Well both Aero and Wake are in my neighbourhood, I highly doubt theres 2 scum in there.

I keep forgetting you have a neighborhood. Can you roughly explain what the activity levels are like in there for both of them?

Me: 13 posts
Wake: 2
Aero: 4
mod: 1

[alimdia]

What has Aero roughly contributed?

He said that I could be right when I said it was likely 2 town 1 scum in the neighbourhood

He said 'oh wake is here'

He agreed that I should out the hood day 2.

He was explaining to me that other than 'buzzwords', it was gut-based for him that I was scum because I remind him of him being scum

[alimdia]

@Zenith I reckon having 2 scum 1 town in a neighbour defeats the purpose. The town would just die quickly and nobody can out anyone. My thoughts anyway

Sorry I'm busy this weekend so I havent gotten back on my promise to look at Aero's post hammer comments

[alimdia]

Zenith, I don't really want to get into too much discussion about how many scum there is, or whether its randomly generated or not.
All I know is that it is useless to have a neighbourhood of 3 scum, so that would be automatically rerolled if it happened.
Also, just on 'randomly assigned probability', its a decent chance that a randomly selected group of 3 people have 1 scum (assuming 13 players, 3 scum 10 town and no third party) whereas the chance of having 2 scum is minuscule chance.


Regarding this plan:

Heres my gameplan with no objections to our role:
Zenith uses his ability to check if we are of the same alignment with someone else.
If he is of the same alignment, we level up thief to 4 with alims power, lynch someone else besides us and level up thief day 3 to confirm our role and the target we chose. That night zenith can ask jjh if he ever wet his pants or something because we'll autowin after that
If we arent of the same alignment, we lynch them and level up mage. Their flip will confirm us and we will have lynched scum on top of that.
The only problem with this is if zenith is scum. I dont see why scum wouldnt benefit from such a role and this is the problem we need to solve today.

Here are the problem I see with this plan.
This is all assuming Zenith is town, cos if hes scum its already fucked
1) Zenith gets roleblocked. I know a roleblocker most likely exists because I got stopped last night. Also, blatant scum said there is one as well before me, which he still hasn't replied to so I'll park my vote here for now
Blatant Scum
2) Zenith says he has 1 shot BP, so he can't die, but I could die, then we can't speed level thief stone. Also it would take until day 4 to confirm Dong as IC if I survive Night 2.
3) I assume Zenith is going to ask: "Is ali same alignment as Dongfish". Now if the answer is yes, the scum can also kill me or Dongfish to avoid having 2 confirmed townies on day 4, assuming everything else works out.

[alimdia]

We're a hydra

Also, i think alim may have redacted thief because just the word itself has negative connotation. We also redacted dragons just because we could, at least former didnt tell me any reasons he had for that. I think its a non issue.

Dong

I suspect as much, but is this coming from town or scum? If this is the actual reason for the redaction then why not come out and just say so when directly asked about it instead of trying to spin this strange excuse about redacting it because the thief stone exists?

I didn't want to reveal (part of) my powers today honestly and my connections to the thief stone.

[alimdia]

er vote failed somehow

VOTE: Blatant Scum

[alimdia]

Looking at Aero's post hammer comments now

[alimdia]

There was actually a lot of fluff in his posts after the hammer.

In post 369, he says that TD is scummy because of his reaction to wagon, but also says i'm scummy for buzzwords. Later in the neighbourhood, he would say it is because of a gut feeling based on how HE PLAYS AS SCUM. That actually makes 0 sense to me. Why are you scumreading me for something you do as scum lol? (not universal)
What I want to know is: Would you (Aero) have voted for TD? He never says that.

I'm not sure if its possible to say 'incase that vote was hammer', but not actually quickly check if it is actually the hammer. Will give some slack on this since the mod also almost didn't catch the hammer. Later on, he does indeed see that it was a hammer.

Hi people, I'm gonna give my thoughts as quick as I can in case that vote was hammer

Says Pine's idea is a good idea for day 2, which is +townpoints. However, everyone already kinda put a stop to the day 1 flavour claim, so its kinda NAI. Will point out it is his only interaction with Pine that day, other than an RVS vote. However, there is also limited interaction with a lot of people.

Aeronaut, how do you normally get out of your Day 1 funk then?

I really don't if I'm being honest. Day 1 is by design full of circular conversations and kinda baseless fingerpointing. Plus, one of my few mafia strengths is derailing or creating wagons and since I'm usually pretty wrong on day one, I don't want to create that influence just yet.

Well its day 2 now and.....

Regarding the rest of the fluff, I feel like its dangerously close to my initial ping on fish. Can someone read his posts post hammer and have a second opinion??

[alimdia]

Sorry fellas I'm a bit busy with stuff plus I also wanna let other ppl say shit.

So far we've been trying to mechanically solve stuff and that doesn't really work cos... roleblockers.

Also wish Blatant Scum would reply

[alimdia]

Everyone... vote Blatant with me please. That's the 3rd time he's avoided my direct question about his roleblocker comment.

I think he's scum fucked up and doesn't know what to say anymore.

[alimdia]

By the way, there is a role blocker here.

nani?

By the way, there is a role blocker here.

Now that I was pretty sure I got role blocked last night, this post really strikes out to me. Can you explain?

By the way, there is a role blocker here.

Now that I was pretty sure I got role blocked last night, this post really strikes out to me. Can you explain?

Awaiting this answer still

[alimdia]

You know, I still don't recall getting an answer on how Eve knew (or didn't) that us 3 Warriors were in a Neighborhood before it was explained.

I do remember asking if our NH was mentioned before Eve made her post, or after. I don't think I ever got an answer. Almost like it's being swept under the rug.

It was answered, you just dont read/swim the thread.

Nobody mentioned our NH in here until D2.
Eve made her post in D1.
Also.. I'm not a warrior? How do you know Aero is a warrior?

[alimdia]

@wake.. its all explained here

You know, I still don't recall getting an answer on how Eve knew (or didn't) that us 3 Warriors were in a Neighborhood before it was explained.

I do remember asking if our NH was mentioned before Eve made her post, or after. I don't think I ever got an answer. Almost like it's being swept under the rug.

It was answered, you just dont read/swim the thread.

Nobody mentioned our NH in here until D2.
Eve made her post in D1.
Also.. I'm not a warrior? How do you know Aero is a warrior?

So nobody mentioned our NH until D2, but Eve made her post D1 about?

Also, STOP giving me shit for trying to figure out this fucking game, Alimdia. It's getting really old.

I figured our NH was Warrior specific because we only get to use it during the Day when our Warrior Stone is selected.

@Wake88, you do realise I brought that Eve and the neighbourhood point up first right???

@Wake88, you do realise I brought that Eve and the neighbourhood point up first right???

You could also be Scum mentioning to a Scum partner the existence of the Neighborhood. What you said while casting shade towards me and Aeronaut also can apply to you.

Now

, did Eve mention the Neighborhood before any of us three said anything or not? Because if she did, that poses a problem. On this I want answers, and I will not stop until I have them.

Yes she did.
Please just read the thread, this is the last time I'm answering something that I've already said

Please just read the thread, this is the last time I'm answering something that I've already said

Some people are trying to do that but having an incredibly hard time parsing it so I'd appreciate a talk-to-me-as-if-I-were-a-dummy breakdown of it so that idiot-me can understand the context behind everything.

The summary is that Eve claimed that she was in a neighbourhood with Wake and I, while Wake and I are actually in a neighbourhood with Aeronaut.
So I was suspicious of that, it seems quite a coincidence to use as a joke. But Eve did say it was because she knew Wake and I beforehand. Now... does anyone else here know Eve from before this game?
If so, that excuse kinda doesn't hold up.
I pointed that out when I outed the neighbourhood on Day 2, and it just seems like Wake is not caught up on stuff.

[alimdia]

Everyone... vote Blatant with me please. That's the 3rd time he's avoided my direct question about his roleblocker comment.

I think he's scum fucked up and doesn't know what to say anymore.

Is avoiding a direct question scummy?

@Wake
Neighborhood not being secure sounds like a potentially useful thing. I'd think there could be ways to take advantage of that. Like maybe feeding specific info into the hood, perhaps something seemingly useful to scum, and see if scum take advantage of said info.

Divine manipulation of the threads.

Avoiding a direct q is pretty scummy yea, I'm not sure if his recent claim stacks up with pop's flip. We already have someone to help someone be immune to roleblocks.
See this:

Huh? Two mods have just gone from the load order? Well, let's see whether the game runs fine without them.

Hmm, I think one of these was causing issues, but not the other. I guess this is progress.

Pine died in the night.
Pine was aligned with the

Mafia

!

Spoiler: Pine Flip

Hullo Pine! Your role PM is based on Improved World Map with Roads, and you are aligned with the mafia!

Mod: Improved World Map with Roads
Alignment: Mafia
Associated Stone: None

Role:
Motion-Predicting Rolecop: Once per night, you may target a player and predict whether or not they will act. If you are correct, you will determine their role.


General Flavour:
Improved World Map with Roads was actually, if I recall correctly, the first Skyrim mod I ever downloaded. Giving up fast travelling generally serves to enhance your gameplay experience- provided you can actually figure out where the hell you're supposed to get around some mountain properly, which is where this mod comes in.

How does the role link with the flavour:
You've got a very good map there. If you can figure out whether someone is going somewhere, you can figure out what they're up to.


Scum Stuff:
Data corrupted

You win when the mafia controls at least 50% of the vote during the day phase.

popsofctown died in the night.
popsofctown was aligned with the

town

!

Spoiler: popsofctown Flip

Hullo popsofctown! Your role PM is based on Scaling Stopper, and you are aligned with the town!

Mod: Scaling Stopper
Alignment: Town
Associated Stone: None

Role:
Level-Based Rolestopper: Once per night, you may target a player. If their role has a stone associated with it, and its path level is equal to or higher than the current cycle number, their night actions cannot fail and they will be protected from one nightkill.


General Flavour:
Scaling in Skyrim is indeed pretty immersion breaking. It is perfectly believable that some people or things are stronger than others- less so that the general strength of everything there is will increase as the dragonborn levels. There should always be lowly bandits. Stronger bandits should exist, but they shouldn't suddenly become the rule rather than the exception because one guy got really tough.


How does the role link with the flavour:
If your level is strong enough for wherever you happen to be, you shouldn't expect anything to go wrong.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

im pretty confident the hood is a masonry
never voting wake/alim

I'm obv town but whys wake town again?

can someone give me a rundown of what mechanical info is public
pretty pls

ISO Zenith to get the full scoop on his claim, its complicated to explain. Dongfish claimed to be innocent child if a stone reaches lvl 5. I can increase thief stone by 1 lvl if theif was selected. I forgot what other people claimed.

[alimdia]

˙uǝǝɹɔs ɹnoʎ ʇlᴉʇ ʇsnſ ˙sᴉɥʇ ɥʇᴉʍ op oʇ ʇɐɥʍ ɐǝpᴉ ou ǝʌɐɥ I ʇnq 'ʎɹɹos ɯɐ I ˙ǝʌɐɥ ʇou plnoɥs I ɯɐɹƃoɹd ɐ uɐɹ I

Got it repaired. I accidentally minimalized the program instead of shutting it down.

CAn you er, repost all your upsidedown stuff pls?

also, just noticing that pops flip sounds a lot like what BS is claiming.
what do ppl think of that?
BS - what do you think of your role, and its relation to pops role?

Ye I pointed that out that

Is a Rolestopper the counter-role to Roleblocker?

Kinda, but as you can see, it has strong restrictions, namely with stone level

[alimdia]

btw Dong claimed lvl 5 IC and wake claimed lvl 5 elite bodyguard

[alimdia]

If we don't lynch BS today, he should make Zenith not be able to be roleblocked.

[alimdia]

Is er BS gonna come on to defend himself?

[alimdia]

Well the warrior stone is on, so change this to true

The factional nightkill has unique kill flavour- False

[alimdia]

Who do you think is scum, BS?

[alimdia]

Or is it night only?

Also why did you say 'theres a roleblocker' on day 2 like its something you just learnt?

[alimdia]

Why are we not voting Eve, Alimdia?

Didn't you agree that it was weird she knew we were in a Neighborhood before any of us said anything?

I'm not letting this go until I get solid answers, and I WILL yank at this thread if I have to.

I know you hate it when I say you're not reading, but answers were already given ages ago and I kinda accept her reasoning now (where she recognised us). now the question is, does anyone else know her from before this game, if so that doesn't stand up very well.

Eve only stated you and Alimdia were in the Neighborhood with her and her explanation was as follows:

alimdia i picked you and Wake to be in my neighbourhood because you were the two i recognised from that normal game we played where Plank won - literally the only reason why

Given that there was an explained reason for the claim (though I do not think it was a good idea), what is your theory for why Eve, as Mafia, would fake claim a Neighborhood with players who are not in a Neighborhood with her?

1. Pine
2. TiphaineDeath
3. Mastina GuyInFreezer
5. Eve
7. Blatant Scum
11. popsofctown
13. gobbledygook

@ Zenith, ask whether there is scum in primes.
If yes, lynch me.
If not, I am confirmed.

Er Zenith might be roleblocked? lol

[alimdia]

I believe you have said you consider your Neighborhood a Masonry; however, alimidia did not get that sense (and in fact stated the opposite). I would like to understand why there is a discrepancy there.

alim thinks theres scum in the hood because she thinks that something eve said was a slip that she was scum, with someone in the hood. i find it fairly ridiculous, and dont think its likely eve was aware of the hood before it was outed.

why i think the hood is all town

:
the thief stone closes PTs.
obviously this means scum cant talk, which is very damaging to scum.
so there has to be a trade off for this.
if there is scum in the hood, there you are fucking scum twice. that makes very little setup design sense.
if the hood is all town, the the counter balance to depriving scum of chat is also depriving town of their soft masonry.
ideal counter balance, setup wise.
i'm quite confident in this setup read.

Agree.

You agreethat the hood is all town then you vote a hood member?

VOTE: Xtoxm

[alimdia]

@fishy boy
if you want me to accept your claim i need a clear timeline of when its going to happen
expecting us to wait until d3 in a mini for an ic is already taking the biscuit, and from what ive it doesnt sound certain to even happen tomorrow
so..how many phases of a free pass am i expected to give you?

looks like d4 if I don't die tonight

[alimdia]

which is still quite long ye

[alimdia]

so BS didn't know who was in the hood but said they were town?

[alimdia]

I think that scums are in this:
Mastina
Wake88
Xtoxm

if not, then in this:
alimdia
Sujimichi

*Who is in the neighbourhood?

???

[alimdia]

stay on this wagon lol.
Compromise lurker deadline lynches have a small % chance to get scum

[alimdia]

It isn't compromise. There shouldn't be two scum in neigborhood. So if the scum is between
Mastina
Wake88
Xtoxm

Mastina is totally scum.

Why is scum between those 3

Also that claim just makes me wanna vote you out more

[alimdia]

recruit me to the neighbourhood pls guys

Sorry actually its a cult

[alimdia]

VOTE: VOTE: Thief Stone

[alimdia]

pretty sure Wake is warrior leveler... look at the warrior stone its lvl 2

[alimdia]

I targeted Dongfish.

Why?

[alimdia]

Makes sense that the 3 neighbours each level up a different stone

[alimdia]

Blatant Scum ;_;

Why did you claim the unjester with BP part??? You wouldn’t have gotten killed otherwise.

VOTE: Mage Stone

What did you do last night?

[alimdia]

I thought it was Xtoxm, so now I'm conflicted.

I also wanna know what info Zenith got

[alimdia]

Did Xtoxm roleblock me night 1? I'll never know ;(

[alimdia]

Gobbletygook and dongfish are aligned.

So we should probably either focus on getting thief or warrior stone to level 5, or else I guess lynching one would confirm the other.

I don't feel well, so taking the day off.

Why didn't you ask if the neighbours are all aligned?
Yes voting the thief stone so it can be lvl 4. This way even I die you guys can vote thief again to get it to lvl 5.
However, just a note that if mod confirms DongFish as IC, it only means gobbledygook is town if zenith is also town.

[alimdia]

VOTE: Thief Stone

I think the Xtoxm flip clears me, from a setup perspective.

No it doesn't?

I can now only be scum with either Dongfish or Zenith. The moment a scum flips that is not any of us three, we all become conftown.

I think my pool is {Eve, Mastina, alimidia, Wake88}. I have many thoughts on Xtoxm's death, but for now, I will say that from a setup perspective, if I was scum with one of the neighbors (which is now impossible because of the Zenith and Dongfish revelations), I would not have killed the Mage Leveler as I would lose access to my powerful abilities. I could have a stone-independent power, but the better play is to attempt to increase the scum power as much as possible.

I have once again forgotten who is in the neighborhood, so I will need to look up that information to further speculate on this game.

Eve, the answer to why Xtoxm’s flip clears me from a setup perspective is here. I have made it known that I have powerful abilities attached to the Mage Stone. Killing the Mage Leveler makes it much more difficult to get those powerful abilities. Hence, I wouldn’t have made this kill if I was going to kill a Leveler.


Re: why I can only be scum with either Dongfish or Zenith

Zenith just revealed a parity cop result stating that Dongfish and I share an alignment. This immediately puts us into two universes.

Universe A: Dongfish and I are scum together (the last two remaining scum). This explains Zenith’s parity cop result on us.

Universe B: Zenith and I are scum together and Zenith lied about his parity cop result on me and Dongfish. This means that if Dongfish flips, I become “conftown” to the town and I won’t be nightkilled because I’m mafia so the town will never know the Zenith parity cop result is a lie. If I die and I’m scum, then Dongfish immediately gets killed because the parity cop directly implicates him.


Does that make sense why I said those things?

I think my pool is {Eve, Mastina, alimidia, Wake88}. I have many thoughts on Xtoxm's death, but for now, I will say that from a setup perspective, if I was scum with one of the neighbors (which is now impossible because of the Zenith and Dongfish revelations), I would not have killed the Mage Leveler as I would lose access to my powerful abilities. I could have a stone-independent power, but the better play is to attempt to increase the scum power as much as possible.

I have once again forgotten who is in the neighborhood, so I will need to look up that information to further speculate on this game.

Eve, the answer to why Xtoxm’s flip clears me from a setup perspective is here. I have made it known that I have powerful abilities attached to the Mage Stone. Killing the Mage Leveler makes it much more difficult to get those powerful abilities. Hence, I wouldn’t have made this kill if I was going to kill a Leveler.

How did you know xtoxm is mage stone leveler?

Yeah... Even the neighbours didn't even know xtoxm was a mage stone leveler, so... this doesn't clear you at all from a setup perspective. Also... mage stone is never getting to lvl 5 even with the leveler after we didnt touch it on Day 1 and 2.

[alimdia]

I targeted Dongfish.

Why?

I don't trust just obeying the commands of an unconfirmed player in my NH, when I know for a fact I'm Town and there's USUALLY (from modding experience) a high chance of Scum being in a Neighborhood, period.

And with the other NH member being killed, considering what he was discussing in there with us, I do not trust you to be Town in this game. Absolutely not.

That discussion was after the deadline was already over, which means actions couldn't be changed.

[alimdia]

Why didn't you ask if the neighbours are all aligned?

How? I've been open about how my oracle ability works and have asked for suggestions on how best to use it.

I can still ask if there is a blank in this game, but can't use the letter e.

Also, just curious, but will I be alerted if takes a shot at me and breaks my vest? Not sure how that works.

Well...
Gobbledygook has a 'e' in the name..............................

[alimdia]

Blatant Scum ;_;

Why did you claim the unjester with BP part??? You wouldn’t have gotten killed otherwise.

VOTE: Mage Stone

What did you do last night?

Why did you ask this?

I had external info so I asked you to see your reaction and if its consistent.

[alimdia]

Why didn't you ask if the neighbours are all aligned?

How? I've been open about how my oracle ability works and have asked for suggestions on how best to use it.

I can still ask if there is a blank in this game, but can't use the letter e.

Also, just curious, but will I be alerted if takes a shot at me and breaks my vest? Not sure how that works.

Well...
Gobbledygook has a 'e' in the name..............................

Yea and?
The E rule was activated after my last question, as a result of using my ability without the mage stone.

How would I have asked if the neighbors were all aligned?

I thought the E rule was in effect already (misread)
You could have asked if Wake and alimdia are same alignment, or wake and xxtoxm, or xxtoxm and alimdia

Who you calling less appealing?

VOTE: Alimdia

Kill it with our

Dragon Fire

Thanks for getting us to lvl 4 guys

Zenith was the one who said that using that question to determine if two players were aligned was a less appealing option than using that question to ask the specific alignment of a single player.

We are currently at Level 3 of the Thief Stone. If we lynch alimdia today, he will not be able to increase the level to Level 4 tonight meaning that we will not be able to reach Level 5 tomorrow.

Yeah brah you need to buff it up to lvl 4 at night

[alimdia]

Also if he did dayvig me, that means he doesn't want stone to get to lvl 5? :hehe:

[alimdia]

VOTE: Mastina

Die

I actually agree with this vote.

VOTE: Mastina

[alimdia]

I don't know anything about Skyrim.

But I wanted to replace into a game and this one seemed good

I do plan to catch up, 44 pages is not too much, but if there's anything super important I should know I wouldn't mind a synopsis.

It seems like you caught up, can you synopsis what you've learnt mechanical wise so far?

I am not sure how you reached that conclusion.

I may be out of touch with the game, but it seemed like he was pretty widely scumread, and we know there's a vig anyway.

Theory is that vig can only shoot with thiefstone active.

I think the two scum are within {Wake88, Eve, Alimidia, Mastina}

I have my preferences within that grouping.

Wheres Suji? you've had suji and Eve as a 'town block' ages ago and its unexplained how Eve is gone from there but Suji hasnt

To get an autowin we'd need 4 conftowns that aren't me. Assuming gobble and DF aren't vig and DF is IC as they claimed, that's 3.

This doesn't have to be worked out until tomorrow, though, because I can always choose not to ask N4 if we don't want to do the plan.

Just wanted to bring it to everyone's attention.

That only applies if you flip town, otherwise you and gobble can still be scum if dong gets confirmed IC.
What questions do you have left for tonight?

[alimdia]

Tell me the lines

[alimdia]

since all you said was that you're a lightning rod

[alimdia]

How does that make EVe not in your town block but Suji is?

[alimdia]

since all you said was that you're a lightning rod

Right, that's a thing.

Someone tell me why lightning rod + elite bodyguard isn't busted as all hell.

Might have fake claims too. I didn't expect BS's claim to be a town claim. nor yours still tbh... ~ ~

[alimdia]

To get an autowin we'd need 4 conftowns that aren't me. Assuming gobble and DF aren't vig and DF is IC as they claimed, that's 3.

This doesn't have to be worked out until tomorrow, though, because I can always choose not to ask N4 if we don't want to do the plan.

Just wanted to bring it to everyone's attention.

Can you explain what other questions you can ask the mod?

[alimdia]

Not sure if I should.

What specifically do you want to know?

well for example can you ask if me(alimdia)(since I don't have an E in my name) and dongfish are the same alignment tonight?

[alimdia]

My power is confirmed, and this is the type of role that is far more often seen on town and has significantly more use for town than for scum.

It's totally reasonable to think it's possibly a scum role, but I can't see any plausible justification for expecting it to be a scum role, aside from balance concerns. But you don't even know my full role (nor the full setup) so how could you know if it's balanced.

uh I thought full claimed already.

Mainly the self suicide if use ability 4 times seems weird.

[alimdia]

Wake88, why are you not voting alimdia?

Uh.. because you need me alive at night to raise the theif stone to lvl 4? Literally throwing if you lynch me cos then dongfish can't get confirmed/not confirmed

also i want to hear from alimdia and Wake whether they think the other is scum and what their read is on them

I think there is a higher chance that mastina/Eve is scum than wake is now honestly.

[alimdia]

I also don't see why scum would kill Xtoxm, wouldn't they kill Zenith or dongfish instead?
That screams like a third party/vig kill to me.

[alimdia]

No. I can only ask each question once.

I thought Zenith already said that.

uh I thought full claimed already.

Mainly the self suicide if use ability 4 times seems weird.

I get the next modifier off of a list after each use of the power when the mage stone isn't active. The second modifier is "confused"-- cannot fill in blanks with anything containing the letter E.
The fourth modifier is "suicidal"-- that is, commits suicide at the end of the next day.

The modifiers seem meant to progress roughly in severity from less bad to more bad; through that lens, suicidal seems like a logical conclusion. It also neatly guarantees that he won't ever have to worry about what happens if I run off the end of the list-- I'll die before I can ask another question.

Also, it makes thematic sense, because my mod is Lovecraft-based and the idea is the more information I gather the more insane I become until it eventually drives me to suicide.

Among other things, I haven't claimed what the first and third modifiers are. I have no intention of doing so until it becomes relevant.

I wanted to see if you'd contradict anything he said./ Annyone, of the questions he said he could ask was "I can also ask if there is a blank in the game."
And blank can only be 1 word? Which doesn't sound really useful

[alimdia]

I also don't see why scum would kill Xtoxm, wouldn't they kill Zenith or dongfish instead?
That screams like a third party/vig kill to me.

Xtoxm was not a Vigilante kill as I have recently stated.

Sorry missed it.

[alimdia]

wasn't Xtoxm townreading me?

i think from a balance standpoint if you have a game full of PRs - stone leveling is gonna activate more town abilities than scum abilities since a lot of people have claimed that stones power them up - so leveling is great for town and bad for scum overall

that's why i think it's likely there's scum there

it's snowbally basically if scum have no control over it

Does that read as frustrated scum?

Regarding the powering up, everyone that has flipped except Xtoxm doesn't have a 'if the stone is lvl 5, then I get stronger version of my skill'.
Wake has claimed to have a stronger skill at lvl 5. I have a stronger skill at lvl 5. Dongfish claimed to be an IC at lvl 5.
So I don't think the leveling part is overpowered since it takes 3 days and 2 nights before a stone is lvl 5 if we do the same stone everytime.

[alimdia]

Asking if there is an IC is a waste, since it will be revealed (or not) the next day.
If dongfish doesn't get confirmed IC after the thief stone is lvl 5, the scum is dongfish and gobble.
If he does, gobble can only be scum with Zenith (SS)

[alimdia]

What can you generally ask for today's question?

Actually

Before anyone answers anything

Eve
Alimidia
Mastina

All need to claim everything about their role.

I think depending on the question that SS can ask and whether Suj can vig tonight, will determine who Wake protects. The other likely dies. (sorry)

So I would like Mastina to claim first. Then Alimidia. Then Eve.

I guess if I wanted to cop mastina, we'd have to lynch Eve?

In theory.

Mastina, why aren't you reevaluating your reads in light of the new information (claims and such)? Why does scum-Wake claim bodyguard?

Claim in next page.
Honestly lynching 1 of mastina/eve and vigging the other one is the way to go

[alimdia]

I will full claim tomorrow since you guys killing me today makes no sense

Wake probably protects dongfish again?

[alimdia]

I will full claim tomorrow since you guys killing me today makes no sense

Wake probably protects dongfish again?

To carry on the first part, I don't want scum to be able to get around my role, so won't be claiming today, other than what I've already said, which is already proven

[alimdia]

I will full claim tomorrow since you guys killing me today makes no sense

Wake probably protects dongfish again?

Why does Wake88 protect Dongfish again? That is not optimal.

cos dongfish is either confirmed IC or confirmed scum tomorrow?

[alimdia]

Nah if mafia shoots dongfish we lose the only person that can be confirmed town.

Suji, you could be a serial killer too, and thus not confirmed. Maybe SS can ask if there is a SK in the game, or third-party. Alternatively, we can force him to confirm me as town aligned somehow with his question, or see if Wake is telling the truth or not.
SS isn't confirmed town because they could be still be scum be gobble, and vice versa.

[alimdia]

I have other powerz too but not revealing it. If scum kills me out of fear of the power of a lvl 5 ability, its a win for us in terms of narrowing down POE anyways.

[alimdia]

I would like to mention that Xtoxm roleblocked gobbledygook last night.

[alimdia]

That's why I asked about gobble's actions

[alimdia]

Correct, but he has no other powers whilst Something_Smart and I do. Something_Smart is protected by virtue of his role; however, I am not.

If Mafia shoots Dongfish, they accelerate confirmation and leave two Town roles that can narrow down the field. If Dongfish is Mafia, there is nothing that prevents his lynch tomorrow.

Wake should protect Suji. I forgot SS had BP.

Aren't we trying to win mechanically here?

[alimdia]

Alimidia playing the dumb scum scumtell.

[alimdia]

You know what I'm worried about? Is why did scum kill Xtoxm last night when there is ..... a buttload of juicer targets like...

me - thief stone leveler
dongfish - supposed IC tomorrow
zenith - cos of his claim

My side theory is that Suji is a serial killer, and one of them/scum failed their shot last night.

[alimdia]

I can ask if there's an SK, but I doubt I can ask anything to confirm alimdia as town because I can't ask about the alignment of a role, only whether it exists.

Whether there is a SK or whether there is a bodyguard are both decent.
Maybe you should reveal the 4th possible question you have.

[alimdia]

My side theory is that Suji is a serial killer, and one of them/scum failed their shot last night.

Why does SK-Suji kill Xtoxm?

Maybe he thought scum would kill SS/me/Dongfish so SK doesn't want to double up.

Can you put bodyguard in “how many players are aligned with bodyguard”

If Wake is lying, the answer is none.
If Wake is scum, the answer is 1.
All other numbers means he is town.

good idea

Can you put bodyguard in “how many players are aligned with bodyguard”

Almost certainly not, I asked if I could put in a player name but was told I had to put an alignment (i.e. if I asked your question, it'd only count people whose role PM said "you win with the bodyguard").

ah fuck.
so that question is basically the same as "Is there a blank" in terms of asking for third-party

[alimdia]

so mastina basically claimed VT again, what about Eve?

[alimdia]

Well we are lynching mastina atm.

[alimdia]

Well we are lynching mastina atm.

What's the case on Mastina in a nutshell?

Its pretty small but mainly POE and them talking very little

POE because...
can't lynch dongfish and gobble
can't lynch zenith (note zenith and gobble might still be scum)
suji vig or not is self resolving
cant lynch me cos need me to do lvl 4 thief stone
you bodyguard or not is self resolving

That literally only leaves Eve and mastina. We can lynch one and vig the other if the first one flips town

[alimdia]

Catching up

- Dong

I think that someone in the neighbourhood is definitwly scum. I agree with gobs process that two of wake/mastina/alim/eve are scum and if eve isnt scum, then one of the remaining people in the NH are scum due to POE.
And i think its inconceivable that both eve and mastina are scum because if eve is scum, the most sensible option from her would be to put his partner in the neighbourhood to disrupt their progress and to act as sort of a mule for her.
Theres a possibility that eve WIFOMd and made all 3 people in the neighbourhood town so they would be suspicious of themselves normally without the risk of scum getting caught, but theres a chance they'll use it like masonry if they can get themselves confirmed/tr each other hard, also eve/mastina team then wouldnt be able to sway their opinions so that might be problematic for them.
In any case, im suspicious of alimdia and eves role seems iffy, also dont like that eve instantly exposed the neighbourhood so i can vote there.

haha what do you seriously think i'm scum who got to choose who was in the neignhourhood? this is great

Yea why do you think Eve got to pick neighbourhood ppl?

[alimdia]

whenever the thief stone is activated - i have a power for the day and next night

Something Smart should be able to discern what this is without me claiming fully

claim fully pls.

[alimdia]

Errr if mastina flips town I think you were getting vigged >.>

this complicates things

You being bulletproof if the thief stone is up seems to counter suji's shot when thief stone is up

[alimdia]

If Eve is town then a scum strongman is likely.

DO you think Eve is town tho?

They're only bulletproof when the claimed vig can shoot.

[alimdia]

I would like for Wake to confirm his actions for tonight, and for us to confirm what we should do. Our options are to lynch Eve given the claim if suspicions there remain, and then I can use my vigilante power on mastina. Our other option is we can lynch mastina and then hope that Eve is not actually bulletproof. I am also open to shooting alimdia, but I will need to confirm with the moderator how Leveling actions work given night action resolution. I will do that now.

Why did you have to say that out loud

[alimdia]

But I still agree that theres too much protective/non dying shit

[alimdia]

Also SS could have not died because... he is scum? (and only possible with gobbley)

[alimdia]

I think if we lynch scum today (eve/mastina) , the vig should not shoot so we have more lynches to POE

[alimdia]

I would like for Wake to confirm his actions for tonight, and for us to confirm what we should do. Our options are to lynch Eve given the claim if suspicions there remain, and then I can use my vigilante power on mastina. Our other option is we can lynch mastina and then hope that Eve is not actually bulletproof. I am also open to shooting alimdia, but I will need to confirm with the moderator how Leveling actions work given night action resolution. I will do that now.

Why did you have to say that out loud

What is the harm in saying this for pubic view when we are trying to coordinate actions?

I was actually supposed to reply to the post where gobbly said SS is not bulletproof. I must have forgotten that I Q+'ed that post.

alimdia, how did you know your actions were roleblocked during Night 1?

From deduction and asking the mod

I think if we lynch scum today (eve/mastina) , the vig should not shoot so we have more lynches to POE

We are currently with an even numbers of players alive. I believe that Something_Smart mentioned this. If I use my role to kill tonight, it does not deprive us of a lynch. Did you miss this?

Even players alive but with lots of protective roles claimed, which means we could potentially gain another lynch if some success is had with protective roles.

[alimdia]

^Only if scum is lynched today

[alimdia]

I think if we lynch scum today (eve/mastina) , the vig should not shoot so we have more lynches to POE

We mislynch today, we go to 4-2 tomorrow and have to no lynch if Vig doesn’t kill
We mislynch today, we go to 3-2 tomorrow if vig shoots wrong

We gain nothing by not shooting.

I said mislynch = shot

If we get the correct lynch, don't shoot because

We could be 5-1 without a kill or 4-1 with a kill.
or...
We could be 6-1 without a kill if a protective works or 5-1 with a kill and protective works (which is bad)

[alimdia]

From deduction and asking the mod

I do not believe that the moderator would have told you that you were roleblocked upon being queried.

In regard to the discussion on me shooting or not; I will be shooting regardless of the lynch today.

I asked them what my result meant and from their response I deduced the great possibility was that I got roleblocked. Or the person I targetted was Aestic or whatever its called
Seeing Xtoxm's flip and how Aero thought I was scum on N1 kinda ... proves it.

VOTE: Alimidia

You can't lynch me today if you don't want to throw so I feel 0 pressure from this vote

[alimdia]

But I still agree that theres too much protective/non dying shit

So why are you voting me instead of one of them (Wake/Eve).

I'm keen to do Eve tbh, just cos of her claim

[alimdia]

VOTE: Eve

[alimdia]

Alimidia needs to claim.

No, I don't. Scum can decide if they would rather get rid of a potentially confirmed person or be fearful of my lvl 5 powers the next night.

[alimdia]

I dont like the possibility of Eve not getting vigged.

[alimdia]

Eve can't be vigged tonight...

Thats why I changed my vote

[alimdia]

VOTE: alimdia

whoops forgot about this again

will vote alim in case you guys change your mind but i think the team is mastina + alim/Wake

So.... why isn't your vote on mastina then? Its extremely anti-town to put your vote on me since I'm the only one that can get the stone to 4 tonight and thus confirm or not confirm dongfish tomorrow

Wake, on SS tonight. Suj kill Alimidia. SS ask if VT exists. Profit.

[alimdia]

Shooting me is fair enough if the stone lvls up before that, but I'd advise you to use your judgment and not hit me if Eve flips scum.

If I do die though, remember that SS and Gobbly could still be scum together.

[alimdia]

The fact that Zenith didn't just ask "Is gobbly aligned with TOWN?" and instead asked 'Is gobbly aligned with Dongfish?" is making me sus tbh.

[alimdia]

Why didn't Suji vig Eve lol. What if she is unlynchable when thief stone is active...

VOTE: Thief Stone

[alimdia]

@mod, SS is missing from the 'not voting' list

[alimdia]

Wait, we can't see Sujimichi's info?

See mastina's flip

Told yo uguys mast was scum, alimdia is too, cant we lynch there once we get thief stone up?

-Fishy

You don't think the person that didn't claim unlynchable is scum?

[alimdia]

SS, is there a bodyguard?

[alimdia]

@mod, SS is missing from the 'not voting' list

ignore this

[alimdia]

You don't think the person that didn't claim unlynchable is scum?

I dont know what this sentence is saying much less asking.

I saw you lead a wagon on town yesterday with scum mastina, so if you arent scum youre town we need to get out of the way so you arent a red herring left alive by scum to distract us.

Eve wasn't lynched.
Have you even been reading the flips?

[alimdia]

Except you didn’t make the plan of getting the stone to 5, whereas me and someone else I forgot who did?
I basically got the thief to 4 and soon 5, what did you do?

Tell me again why town would have unlynchable?

Wake, in our neighbourhood you were agreeing eve is scum for having unlynchable and not claiming it, and now you’re shading me after another scum flip that means it’s very likely to only have one scum left?

[alimdia]

Except you didn’t make the plan of getting the stone to 5, whereas me and someone else I forgot who did?
I basically got the thief to 4 and soon 5, what did you do?

Tell me again why town would have unlynchable?

Wake, in our neighbourhood you were agreeing eve is scum for having unlynchable and not claiming it, and now you’re shading me after another scum flip that means it’s very likely to only have one scum left?

[alimdia]

Are you thinking she is lynchproof when theif stone is selected?

[alimdia]

Actually we are kinda evenly split at this point.
If we bank on 1 scum left, then it means that you and dongfish are both confirmed since you can't both be mafia or SK together.

But your suicide plan is bad since if you get it wrong, we get endgamed. We can just lynch Eve normally?

[alimdia]

Actually, all the scum flips so far show that they don't gain added benefit from X stone.
I wager that Eve is just a 1-shot unlynchable.

If its full unlynchable we'll never be able to win.

[alimdia]

You want me dead after reading the series of posts by Eve(1366-1372)?

[alimdia]

so thief or mage?

SS, dong?

[alimdia]

UNVOTE:

DF, is your thing actually IC or dayvig?

Idm not getting a lvl 5 power for myself

[alimdia]

Doubt it. I unvoted thief so mage has more votes,

[alimdia]

VOTE: Eve

[alimdia]

Awesome that we didn't vote thief stone on the last day!

[alimdia]

I'm ok with releasing hood PT.

Aeronaut roleblocks alimdia
alimdia attempts to track Aeronaut but is roleblocked and gets no result

xtoxm roleblocks gobbledygook
alimdia tracks xtoxm to gobbledygook

alimdia tracks Mastina to Sujimichi

lmao all my tracks were okay but also useless at the same time, hence why I never claimed. Watcher would have arrived too late.


@Dongfish, I know you had an IC role but that doesn't mean you just tunnel on me all the time. I changed my viewpoint after a while, maybe you should too. Plus, its not like you gave this game your full attention. You kind of just floated after claiming IC. Quite disappointing from your play (fish) in my very first newbie game on this site.

[alimdia]

I didn't believe him anyway because everyone that had an extra power got it at lvl 5. But at that point with the mastina flip, gobble and DF were basically cleared.

Nice work on the vigs Suji, I thought you'd have tried taking a shot at Eve since I've never heard deathproof before, only lynchproof.

[alimdia]

Funny how you called out 2 actual neighbours though