Newbie 1976 - Game Over

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hi.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wait, that doesn't look scummy enough.
It should be without punctuation mark and lowercase only.

hi

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hi Naerys. Your second game?
I don't think i know anyone here except for Map Wolf and Saladman who replaced out of a game i was in.
Should be exciting.
VOTE: Saladman27

[NorwegianboyEE]

Open wolf, what's up?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I thought you wanted sleep?

[NorwegianboyEE]

And who is Geraintm?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Jackson and Datisi sound like they are close.
I'm hoping it is because of earlier events and not because they are scum buddies.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hello everyone. Sorry that I forgot about this game. I have a feeling I can do well in this game and perhaps be more active D1 than in earlier ones.
VOTE: GBJ
Odds are that we win if we lynch you early.

Why are you so eager to vote someone who's not even had a chance to post so far?
VOTE: Map Wolf

[NorwegianboyEE]

Voting a slot to L-2 before they've had the chance to post. Very curious.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why are you so eager to vote someone who's not even had a chance to post so far?

Is the reason you single out Map because his vot put them at L-2? Because GBJ was also voted (before posting) by Salad and Kanna.

Yes. Salad and Kanna are less scummy looking, But Map Wolf was willing to take it even further. Even going so far as to claim we'd win if GBJ was lynched early.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Those two are less scummy when put into the context of this isolated incident.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Were you really not serious? It’s not just that btw, you started the day off making excuses. I usually take that as a bad omen.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Norwegian

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[NorwegianboyEE]

Daitsi, you’ve never seen my townplay before. So how can you be so sure already?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Daitsi, you’ve never seen my townplay before. So how can you be so sure already?

for all we know you might be scum partner of MapWolf and trying to stage something scummy

You sound very newbtown.
I don’t think scum you could fake type of not remotely correct but still genuine speculation.

[NorwegianboyEE]

*Fake this type of

[NorwegianboyEE]

Your vote and reasoning strike me as opportunistic.

Btw, I actually

had

been loosely following a couple of games you happened to play in as they were happening. Unfortunately I don't remember much about your play at all.

What is your definition of opportunistic? I’m trying to get us out of RVS by pointing out a genuine concern i had against a slot. It’s not the kind of "easy to jump on, super convincing and convenient" type of vote that entails it being "opportunistic". Your reason for scumreading me is off.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwegian, you played with Naerys before?

No, but i saw she had one finished towngame, so i went through it. Her town behaviour in that game matches what i’ve seen here so far.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Were you really not serious? It’s not just that btw, you started the day off making excuses. I usually take that as a bad omen.

Yeah, don't agree with that push but don't like this post in particular. The "I actually had other reasons for scumreading you," feels off. VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

In what way?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because she’s new at the game and it shows.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Personal experience, but the first time i played a newbie game i pointed out someone’s vote putting a barely contributing slot to L-2 was scummy, and pushed for that slot all day. Then i got lynched because they didn’t believe me, later it turned out that slot was scum.
That’s why i always get nervous about early and fast wagons potentially having scum in it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

UNVOTE:
I like Map’s response. Feel like scum!him would have voted me there rather than just defending and taking the opportunity to also criticize Datisi.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Were you really not serious? It’s not just that btw, you started the day off making excuses. I usually take that as a bad omen.

Yeah, don't agree with that push but don't like this post in particular. The "I actually had other reasons for scumreading you," feels off. VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

In what way?

It feels a bit tacked on/unnatural imo. Sorta like your earlier reason for SRing Map fell off and you had to come up with another reason to justify SRing Map.

It was more like an addition. But i can accept that you might have seen it that way.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nothing i’ve done so far has been scummy. I’ve generated reads the only way i know how, by voting and analyzing people’s behaviour surrounding it.
Naerys is town, Map Wolf is most likely too due to reasons mentioned. It is also genuinely surprising to me when i’m trying to be completely open about my intentions yet people question it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because i’m town. :>
Lel.
Anyway i know this is a newbie game so i’m not too bothered about being scumread for what i think are bad reasons. This is a game for learning after all. My expectations aren’t high.
I just wanna build up some reads and hope i’m right.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’ve been told i can be a very intimidating player. But i’ll stay toned down around this block don’t you worry friend. We don’t want this obvtown completely ruining the game for scum now do we?
Anyway i’m basically just waiting for those AWOL slots to show up, so don’t expect much more from me ATM.

[NorwegianboyEE]

haha yes getting to L-2 before youve posted is aaaaa
i missed out on rvs how sad
dont like post 75 VOTE: Norwegian

Can you explain your thought process a bit more?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why does it seem sus? Is it because of my confidence level? Because i can assure you, that has nothing to do with what alignment i roll.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sus because it's sus. Ok.
VOTE: GayBabyJailor

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think you're just making an excuse to jump on my wagon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And why should that be scum indicative? It, "making you think" isn't a good reasoning. I don't play carefully nor do i care much about being townread when i roll town, i only care about finding scum. And your reason for jumping on my wagon is bad. You are literally just commenting on a single one of my posts and using that crappy reason as a justification to vote me up to L-2. Classic scummy behavior where you can't even explain properly why you're voting for me even though I've asked you multiple times.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is kind of...unpleasant but ok. Why are the reasons for scumreading you bad but your reason for scumreading Map good?

I don't scumread Map Wolf anymore. It is true i found his opening post scummy, but his response to me seemed genuine. Anyway, it wasn't a bad reason. I've caught scum early before for pretty much the same reason where scum joins an RVS wagon on a slot that hasn't had the time to properly engage the thread, but their follow up to my probing in those cases were usually much more scum indicative.
Another thing to put into the equation. The wagoner in question; GBJ's recent posts are terrible so if he's scum it is less likely either one of you, Map wolf or Saladman are scum since you all contributed to a wagon on him this early.
I don't think You or Daitisi's reasons for scumreading me comes from scum, it sounds genuine. I think it's more the lack of experience with my playstyle that is causing us to clash and you guys are mistakenly identifying my townplay as scum indicative.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Huh, I actually got the feeling from 75 that you're SRing me. You're not?

No. That was addressed to the scum players, they know who they are. I wasn't addressing anyone in particular. Though maybe GBJ because i believe he's suspicious, but you already knew that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It was, but i didn’t say or imply anything about scumreading you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You can argue for that all you want, but it's not the intention i had when i wrote that post. So you'd basically be arguing for a completely wrong interpretation of my post.
If you really wanna do that then go ahead.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Datisi who do you think is scummy?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I would normally agree on Naerys, but i looked at her previous newbie game and she acted pretty much the same way as town in that game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Occasionally.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've looked at GBJ's recent games and a trend seems to be that he likes voting slots quickly and changing it a lot as scum, but as town he tends to be more laid-back and confused.

[NorwegianboyEE]

also Norwegian is either PR or scum to me

Only one of those two?
Also it's usually frowned upon to speculate on who is PR during day 1. As that is what scum wants to know.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Notice how GBJ doesn’t even have townreads, he has contributed absolutely nothing other than claiming i’m suspicious without good reason, joining the day by just sheeping the opinion of others.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If he is scum then his teammate is most likely either Dev321 or JacksonVirgo.

[NorwegianboyEE]

also Norwegian is either PR or scum to me

If you think they're a possible PR why out it?

I like that post actually. It’s the kind of cute post you’d repost in a thread titled: "funny shit newbie’s say".

[NorwegianboyEE]

Datisi are you a weeb?

[NorwegianboyEE]

GBJ is just scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Naerys
Need more posts from this slot.

So you basically want me to post for a sake of post and no matter it will be basically useless? Give me a break, i am not in mood for this.

Open wolf is right tho. You need to post some useful posts. And nobody said you should simply post for the sake of posting, it’s just that it’s usually helpful if you at least show whether you agree that GBJ is scum or disagree, or think player X is town. Etc.
Thinking of, do you still think Map wolf and me are scum distancing?

[NorwegianboyEE]

salad also hasn't really done anything

True, but i think you're a bit more scummy atm.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm feeling a bit worse about Naery's due to the unnecessarily hostile 174 post. Why would she react that way to a prod vote?

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Naerys
Need more posts from this slot.

So you basically want me to post for a sake of post and no matter it will be basically useless? Give me a break, i am not in mood for this.

Also this kind of suggests you were lurking.

Yh,whatever.I dont care.

You are playing exceedingly badly if you're town.
How about joining me on voting GBJ? I still think he's more scummy than you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Townlean:
- Datisi
- Kanna
- Map Wolf

Null:
- Naerys
- Saladman27

Scumlean:
- Non lmh
- JacksonVirgo

Scum:
- GayBabyJailor

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Naerys
Need more posts from this slot.

So you basically want me to post for a sake of post and no matter it will be basically useless? Give me a break, i am not in mood for this.

Also this kind of suggests you were lurking.

Yh,whatever.I dont care.

You are playing exceedingly badly if you're town.
How about joining me on voting GBJ? I still think he's more scummy than you.

Are you baiting me?

Regardless of my alignment i'd always say no to that question. Lol.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just make up your mind. Either you trust me or you don't. Either way, just take a stance. I don't like it when slots are fence-sitting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Although i'd say that's town indicative of you. You'd probably be more confident as scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Naerys
Need more posts from this slot.

So you basically want me to post for a sake of post and no matter it will be basically useless? Give me a break, i am not in mood for this.

Also this kind of suggests you were lurking.

Yh,whatever.I dont care.

You are playing exceedingly badly if you're town.
How about joining me on voting GBJ? I still think he's more scummy than you.

Are you baiting me?

Regardless of my alignment i'd always say no to that question. Lol.

Anyway i don´t rlly have reason to accept that, my voting will be based on my

opinion

Yeh, but that's the problem. Nobody here knows what your opinion is, because you are not saying anything or doing anything helpful. And that means you are either scum or useless town. Town should scum hunt.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Naerys
Do you think GBJ is town or scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Woah there buddy, now don't start wagon hopping now that we know your meta. I'm already leaning towards GBJ and I think Dev's slot is also a scumlean for me.

It seems like it could be a opportunistic wagon hop.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Woah there buddy, now don't start wagon hopping now that we know your meta. I'm already leaning towards GBJ and I think Dev's slot is also a scumlean for me.

"Woah there buddy"? bro that seems sus
(as in appeal to authority)

Lmao.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can't argue against that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How likely is Naerys/GBJ scum team? Naery’s reluctance to answer my question on what she thinks of GBJ is pinging me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Either Naerys is a counterwagon to scum!GBJ or Naerys is mafia. I don't think they are both town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What happened to Naerys being very Town or whatever?

I still think she's town, based on the fact that she's gotten so many votes already. Seem's like a counterwagon to GBJ. But i don't like her play.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What happened to Naerys being very Town or whatever?

I still think she's town, based on the fact that she's gotten so many votes already. Seem's like a counterwagon to GBJ.

But i don't like her play.

Kinda don’t follow here; why is she town based on how she got a lot of votes (what makes it different to GBJ?)

I said that already. Suspect it might be a counterwagon to take attention away from GBJ.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't know the circumstances of your last game, but whoever reprimanded you for voting are stupid. Forget about that and start voting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I see in the last game it was scum who was yelling at you for voting? You probably shouldn't listen to them.

Oh was it scum who told her to not vote? Ok that makes perfect sense lol.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't expect the noobs to be nice scum. They tend to play more aggressively.
Maybe Datisi would be nice scum though, i could see him smiling at me while getting ready to stab that knife in my back.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Saladman's ISO seems sort of lacking atm, like he's just strolling along with whatever town seems like they're going with.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Am i v towny Datisi-senpai?

[NorwegianboyEE]

- Updated reads -

Townlean:
- Datisi
- Map Wolf
- Naerys

Null:
- Kanna
- Non lmh

Scumlean:
- JacksonVirgo
- Saladman27
- GayBabyJailor

I'd be willing to lynch either one of my scumleans at this point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Norway, Why you SRing jack?

Mainly because there's almost nothing in her ISO which makes me think she's town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also i just came down with a sudden and violent bout of sickness. So i might be a bit more hazy going forward. But i'll try to keep posting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh ok, good to know.

- Updated reads list -

Ultra town:
- Saladman

[NorwegianboyEE]

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh i forgot to mention, but there's absolutely no escape from my presence. I will annoy every single one of you until i am either lynched or NK'ed. I never rep out of a game. HAHA.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who would want you to rep out of the game?

Nobody i hope?
I'm just making it clear that this isn't a situation where town is stuck with mafia, it's a situation where y'all are stuck with me.

Now who's up for pressuring this slot some more.
VOTE: Jackson

[NorwegianboyEE]

UNVOTE:
Don’t want a lolhammer just yet.

[NorwegianboyEE]

*sigh*
VOTE: Jackson
L1

I don’t know if i like the way you worded this vote. Why are you sighing in like half of your posts?

[NorwegianboyEE]

There’s still 5 days left so might as well wait for that replacement.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wasn’t sure whether Jackson’s inactivity excuse was genuine or faked, but the fact that she’s replacing out makes me think it’s NAI (non-alignment indicative)

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Gaybabyjailor

[NorwegianboyEE]

What the fuck?
Your previous posts were simply calling GBJ fool or scum. But now you're ready to sacrifice yourself because you think he's so incredibly townie you need to rush to aid against a mislynch on town!him?

[NorwegianboyEE]

And why do you want Kanna? Why is she scum fypov?

[NorwegianboyEE]

There's not a whole lot to analyze from Non Imh's limited ISO. But just from his recent post alone i think it's pretty likely he is GBJ's teammate if GBJ is mafia.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Naerys
Non lmh

Dev321

GayBabyJailor
Kanna
Map Wolf
JacksonVirgo
Saladman27 (SE)
Datisi (SE)
NorwegianboyEE (SE)

I just realized that theory i read on the forums recently where they said every newbie with numbers in their name is likely to replace out is going true again.
Now who else has numbers at the end of their name? That's right... SALADMAN!!
I've located the next replacement boys.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Datisi, that excessive use of emoticons is getting a little bit scary.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s like you’re trying to seem like less of a threat and everyone’s bud bud by pwutting smilehs and cutesy smileys at thwe end of every sentence
Tehe pero~
Minna, let’s be fwieenddsss~~~ (＾▽＾)

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m obviously a bit paranoid of you, though i think there are many slots that are much scummier atm.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I NEED SCUMFLIPS TO APPEASE MY INCREASING ANGER!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hi <3
Tell me when you’re ready to vote GBJ.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do you wanna claim Jackaroo?

This post is awful. jackson was being pushed for pressure, it wasn’t a "time to lynch the player" vote. Yet you’re fishing for a PR claim.
Saladman, any reason you shouldn’t become an policy lynch in the immediate future assuming GBJ isn’t scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do you wanna claim Jackaroo?

[4] JacksonVirgo: Datisi, NorwegianboyEE, Map Wolf, Non Imh (L-1)

Oh and know what makes this worse? Saladman wasn't even on the wagon, nor did he signal intent that he would hammer or vote Jackson in the future.
VOTE: Saladman27

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually i want GJB's slot first. But Saladman is a close second.
VOTE: GBJ

Phoenix i like your entry, but am i really your only townread? Feels kinda like you're playing it safe. I'm obviously the easiest person to townread around here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Phoenix
What is your opinion on Datisi for example?

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Norway: What was concerning you when it comes to my slot?

Low content, not much for me to base a read on. Therefore i wanted to put some pressure on the slot.

[NorwegianboyEE]

oh yeah, and all those "om i'm so busyy~" posts that worried me. But since she replaced i'm thinking she was honest about it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Everything is AI.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Phoenix, how long have you been playing mafia?
Before joining here?

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Phoenix
You seemed like a very good player for having signed up so recently, so i had to ask.
I checked your newbie 1973 game. And it seems relatively similar to here, with your analyzation and stuff.
Pretty sure you're town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If we assume you're town, it does make Map Wolf and Non Imh's vote on your wagon a bit suspicious. Since the wagon built up pretty quickly.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I still SR GBJ. I just don't know who his partner is.

What do you think of a theoretical GBJ/Non Imh team?

[NorwegianboyEE]

oh bother, mah reads
{jackson/map wolf/norwegian/(gbj-non)}
{naerys/datisi}
{kanna/saladman}

Jackson isn't in the game anymore, and you haven't answered any of the hundreds questions directed at you since your latest post.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I still SR GBJ. I just don't know who his partner is.

Have you tried looking in the mirror?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well, to Saladman’s credit, he has been voting GBJ pretty much all day. So a GBJ/Salad team seems unlikely.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Naery’s seems like she could be town. At least townier than my biggest scumreads.
Non Imh’s slot is bad, but i don’t know if it’s scum bad or bad bad. Slightly leaning newbtown.
GBJ is quite scummy. But i might want to do a vote analyzis when i wake up tommorow to check how many people have been willing to vote him.
Kanna is another slot that’s starting to worry me. Scum that’s taking it easy because we’re on the wrong track perhaps? I don’t like her inactivity lately.
Map Wolf i have a slight TR on, but Phoenix is worried about the slot. I’m double guessing myself a bit on this one.
Phoenix is town. No reason to doubt that yet.
Saladman is like a second lead, unlikely to be scum with GBJ. But independently scummy assuming GBJ is town.
Datisi i still got a townlean on.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Everyone except for Non Imh has voted GBJ.
Pretty much everyone has scumread him, Non Imh lightly did too at one point, before he inexplicably changed his tone.

[NorwegianboyEE]

GBJ it’s pretty much consensus that you’re the lynch today due to reasons nicely pointed out by Phoenix. Don’t you have anything better to say in your defense before time is up?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Scum>not helpful
Mafia often tries to look helpful. Town can sometimes be extremely unhelpful.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t really have anything else to add at this point.
I agree that if GBJ is scum, then the most likely teammate is Non Imh.
Call me back when GBJ is flipped.

[NorwegianboyEE]

A part of me almost hopes we’re wrong. Because GBJ/Non Imh is a bit of a boring solve if it’s really that easy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I NEED SCUMFLIPS TO APPEASE MY INCREASING ANGER!

[NorwegianboyEE]

And I did sort of explain before about Non but his play here is very similar to a lot of his games + the last game I
played with him. I don’t see any differences that make me really think he’s scum. Also they’re low TRs. I mostly SR GBJ/Map

It's a interesting pet theory, but i'm pretty sure Non Imh is a more likely GBJ partner.
As you explained, if GBJ/Map is the team then Map has been bussing his own partner. And that is risky play, especially for a game with only 2 mafia and 2 power roles potentially outing him sooner or later, even if he does get some towncreds for it. It's not a likely pair, hence not worth consideration unless we reach all the way to LYLO and still haven't found GBJ's teammate somehow.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh yeah, you're right Kanna. Sorry i didn't check Map's ISO in a while and made a noob mistake. Yeah he did argue against GBJ pretty much all day.
Anyway, why don't we check his alignment right now. Map Wolf, the table is clear for you to hammer GBJ. Do it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Assuming GBJ flips green, we're all in agreement that Datisi is scum, yeh?

No. How about you actually explain why you think this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Map wolf might be open wolf.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh did you say Non instead of GBJ by mistake in post 420? Ok.

[NorwegianboyEE]

smoke weed every day

[NorwegianboyEE]

We have two days. I won't hammer without giving GBJ a chance to claim.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Datisi why did you do it?

[NorwegianboyEE]

:3

[NorwegianboyEE]

Thank you, the ringing in my head has subsided now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh and needless to say, but if GBJ flips red. Open Wolf is next.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mason should claim.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We get a confirmed town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If 1 scum fake claims mason, then the real mason can out him easily. So it is in our interest for the second mason to claim today so we don't accidentally lynch him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok that was worded a bit weird, but what i'm saying is that town benefits more from the mason claiming today rather than him not doing it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm second guessing Datisi's towniness.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually i'm explicitly suspicious of Datisi being scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Datisi why do you townread Saladman?

[NorwegianboyEE]

... If we hadn't just had a Mason flip, I'd start thinking you two are a Mason pair who came to the conclusion that I'm scum and started pushing me in tandem as soon as the day started. Any reason you two seem so in sync?

Any reason why you sound so hostile?

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's interesting how defensive you suddenly got, even though i haven't explained why i think you're scummy yet.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like whatever I ask of you you're turning it around against me

Like what?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Either Naerys is a counterwagon to scum!GBJ or Naerys is mafia. I don't think they are both town.

I reread the game during the night. What's up with this?

I explained in my post under that Naery's seemed like a counterwagon to GBJ. And i really didn't like her play at that point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Datisi

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because Non Imh is obviously the second mason partner. And looking at the gamestate with that information in mind, the most likely scum is you with either Saladman or Map Wolf as the partner.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Assuming GBJ flips green, we're all in agreement that Datisi is scum, yeh?

No. How about you actually explain why you think this.

And dare you explain your trajectory from here to voting me?

No further explanation of my trajectory is needed, because I am town and you are scum. Die scum die!!!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Alright, enough memes.
UNVOTE:
Naery's reaction to that seemed townie i think.
Datisi i'm still unsure of.
Mason is most likely not Non Im since he wanted to vote Kanna in post 212, 243 and putting her low on reads list in 359.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Seemed like Naery's was genuinely confused, and then wondering if we were generating this argument. I don't believe scum would react that way.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because. we. get. a. confirmed. town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I hardclaim mason mafia wont shoot me no balls

I unironically like this post.
Don’t think Non Imh is scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think scum is between Saladman, Open wolf and Datisi.

[NorwegianboyEE]

He has been mostly coasting. Obviously pays attention to the game, but not saying anything that indicates he is solving. Looks like he's faking it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Me being super suspicious of Datisi makes sense.
Non Imh is the mason, i townread Naerys and Phoenix. That makes scum one of Saladman, Map Wolf and Datisi.
And if Datisi is scum he’ll be the most threatening player in LYLO.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think it might be Saladman/Datisi
I don’t like how Datisi has been weakly "questioning" him all day 1 before coming around to a unnatural "townread" on him.
Meanwhile Saladman made a post earlier claiming "All SE’s are town" which i REALLY didn’t like.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Saladman’s non-reaction to my push on Datisi was very suspicious.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Lynching Datisi is the best option today.
VOTE: Datisi

[NorwegianboyEE]

Map Wolf was a scumlean for me. But a Salad/Datisi team makes much more sense.

[NorwegianboyEE]

They’ve been pretty buddy buddy all the days. Take a look at their interractions and ISO’s

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also the fact that i’m alive proves mafia didn’t see me as a threat. No doubt because Datisi thought she had me pocketed. So they killed much more inactive slot Kanna instead.
Anyway, bit of a moot point, since this is purely an argument that makes sense from my POV only.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Phoenix, may i interest you in a Datisi lynch today?

[NorwegianboyEE]

All SEs are Town
Phoenix is town
GBJ and Non are scum
Rest is null

This post is really scummy imo. Especially with the knowledge given by the flips today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

SCUM IS DATISI AND SALADMAN. I REPEAT, SCUM IS DATISI AND SALADMAN.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Guys, that's 3 people on D1, doesn't anyone want to address my concerns so that I can narrow it down :/

Ok
Salad often acts like this as town
And nitpicking "contradictions" like those generally come from town more often than scum
I don't want to hang him today

Ok 2 people on D1 there we go

Incriminating evidence #1^

[NorwegianboyEE]

If only it was that simple.

...ok

Saladboi when you come here next can you townspew a little bit so we can go back to actually lynching scum tyty

Incriminating evidence #2^

[NorwegianboyEE]

Salad and Map i’m guessing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just look at my ISO and ctrl f Naery.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I thought he was joking at first, and i TR him for that. But then i realized he was being serious.
But either way, i was right about him being a TR. Ta ta.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Your attempt at finding fake associations between me and Naery's is intensifying my scumread on you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Regarding the previous day, GBJ was a failed lead that would only lead to further mislynches, hence the game needed to be reread with the thought of GBJ/Kanna/Non Imh being town in mind.
Naery' doesn't seem like she has any agenda mind with any of her posts. I don't think she's expressed a TR on anyone except me. And i know i'm town. She is distrusting, quick to anger and acting like a total newb with some bad argumentation that proves she's not playing to be townread, but playing to solve. Again, that usually comes from town, not scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just subconciously push out the POV arguments, i always include them.
Why are you ignoring everything else i said in that post?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nah it's mostly a gut read. And i don't see any strong associatives, except maybe Phoenix. But if Phoenix is scum we've pretty much lost already i think.

[NorwegianboyEE]

There's also the fact i looked into her previous game and it seemed relatively similar to her play in this one.
Although i might revisit it when i'm feeling more motivated to see if it still holds up.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Associatives

Scum team association.

[NorwegianboyEE]

As in.
Pairing player X with Y and recognizing them as scum partners.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If players are playing with a "individualistic mindset" where they don't care who they lynch or go after, it is usually town indicative because it proves they don't have an agenda of protecting their teammate.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Norwegian

Took you long enough.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Uh oh.
We have lives... promise!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who is "they"?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm one person.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Gender's in my username bruh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Strategic profile picture. When you look cute people will find it harder to lynch you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Shame doesn't work on me.

Scum have an evil blackened heart. You probably smother kittens in your free time too don't you?

[NorwegianboyEE]

No.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And i don't see any strong associatives, except maybe Phoenix.

Associatives, as in other townreads? Weren't you townreading Non, or I am mistaken?

I don't see any strong associations between theoretical scum!Naerys and another scum teammate.
Rephrased it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Think about it Datisi. If i was scum and you were town here. I’d easily sway the town, including you into lynching Salad rather than staging this whole argument with you. Especially if Naerys was my scum teammate like you’re attempting to sell as a narrative.
Rather than seeing this from a towminded angle you’re keeping up this charade in an attempt to save your own skin.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And it is interesting how defensive you became of Salad there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Salad wtf is that. I’m having a huge argument with Datisi, he’s claiming i’m scum with Naery’s, a lot of things are happenning, and all you do is pop in with a "ugh, i always get lynched as town!" comment?
VOTE: Saladman

[NorwegianboyEE]

Rn, I think the whole game is really getting heated up. I'd like to ask Norway why you're so confident the Non is the mason?

Because there is no counter claim?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok. So why exactly would scum!you think you could EaSiLy sway town!me into voting Salad, especially when in the same breath you accuse me of getting defensive over him?

Also Norway if you could actually answer this and stop question-dodging it would very helpful.

Because in that thought experiment i assumed you and Salad were both town being manipulated by me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So, you think you'd be able to persuade me to vote my townread? kek.

Yup.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Map Wolf are you even in this game?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Datisi you’re so much easier to read when you’re irritated.

[NorwegianboyEE]

xD it's so obvious too, aha
kbye

Who and what are you saying this too?

[NorwegianboyEE]

There’s no way mason isn’t Non Imh, because if he wasn’t. Then the real one should have CC him by now.
So Non Imh conf!town.
Phoenix lock!town.
That’s a nice towncore already.
Non Imh what are your current reads?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Salad why are you trolling?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Given up?

[NorwegianboyEE]

What i'm taking from Salad's posts today is that he knows he looks scummy, and is giving up. Resigning himself to his fate.
Non Imh being mason cleared really messed up the game state for scum, they probably thought they could derail the lynch onto him rather than Salad today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

According to JEEP's Tells Norwegian or Phoenix could be scum

What tells are you finding on me?
Also i like that you linked that page, proves you're doing scum hunting. Not already "in the know" of who are town and scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Phoenix, if i may. What are your reads right now? I'd also like to know if you agree with my towncore. Me, you and Non Imh are unmistakably town.
Datisi, Saladman. Are most scummy.
Naerys and Map Wolf secondary in scumminess. (Although i think Naery's is most likely town, especially due to my scumread Datisi constantly trying to paint her as scum)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well, i wasn't really the "third person" since i voted and unvoted at some point. Lel.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Your read of Naerys reads like tmi bullshit, but I think it might be closer to buddying than defending a teammate.

This post is really interesting, i like how Datisi goes absolutely BALLISTIC at the thought of me townreading Naery's slot. When the narrative of us teaming fails, he even goes as far as trying to discourage it by telling Naery's i might be "buddying" her.
Disgusting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Your read of Naerys reads like tmi bullshit, but I think it might be closer to buddying than defending a teammate.

This post is really interesting, i like how Datisi goes absolutely BALLISTIC at the thought of me townreading Naery's slot. When the narrative of us teaming fails, he even goes as far as trying to discourage it by telling Naery's i might be "buddying" her.
Disgusting.

Well, to be fair, you TR me almost from the beginning, when u had not much of reason to TR me.

Maybe not a good reason from others POV. But you felt like town from a gut feeling, and then that read has solidified over time.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Salad link me your scumgames, wanna get to the bottom of this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Datisi stop scum-claiming, we know it already.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So what is Salad's scum meta, since you appear to be so infatuated with his townplay?

[NorwegianboyEE]

So the one game where he rolled scum he basically gave up.
And that makes you think he's town here?
I mean if you consider that his "scum meta" then it is kinda like he did here, except he didn't immediately replace out.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well let's see what Saladman has to say about it.
@Salad Did you replace out of that Large because you genuinely never ever don't want to play as scum, or because of other reasons?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're saying that, but you know nothing about his actual scum game. All the info you have is that he replaced out of a game once as scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wanna hear what Salad has to say about why he repped out.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Your townread of Salad makes no sense. What has he done in this game that's convincing you so strongly he's town?
Only because i push him? You can't make that excuse, because i only started strongly pushing him on D2. You were defending him back on D1.