Newbie 1976 - Game Over

[Naerys]

Wait, that doesn't look scummy enough.
It should be without punctuation mark and lowercase only.

hi

Hello!

[Naerys]

Hi Naerys. Your second game?
I don't think i know anyone here except for Map Wolf and Saladman who replaced out of a game i was in.
Should be exciting.
VOTE: Saladman27

Yes, this is my second game

[Naerys]

Daitsi, you’ve never seen my townplay before. So how can you be so sure already?

for all we know you might be scum partner of MapWolf and trying to stage something scummy

[Naerys]

Perhaps they are trying distancing.

[Naerys]

town shouldnt be hiding stuff usually

This kind of feels like frustrated scum to me.
And whole GBJ´s pointing towards Norwegianboy is weird.

[Naerys]

VOTE: Naerys
Need more posts from this slot.

So you basically want me to post for a sake of post and no matter it will be basically useless? Give me a break, i am not in mood for this.

[Naerys]

VOTE: Naerys
Need more posts from this slot.

So you basically want me to post for a sake of post and no matter it will be basically useless? Give me a break, i am not in mood for this.

Also this kind of suggests you were lurking.

Yh,whatever.I dont care.

[Naerys]

VOTE: Naerys
Need more posts from this slot.

So you basically want me to post for a sake of post and no matter it will be basically useless? Give me a break, i am not in mood for this.

Also this kind of suggests you were lurking.

Yh,whatever.I dont care.

You are playing exceedingly badly if you're town.
How about joining me on voting GBJ? I still think he's more scummy than you.

Are you baiting me?

[Naerys]

VOTE: Naerys
Need more posts from this slot.

So you basically want me to post for a sake of post and no matter it will be basically useless? Give me a break, i am not in mood for this.

Also this kind of suggests you were lurking.

Yh,whatever.I dont care.

You are playing exceedingly badly if you're town.
How about joining me on voting GBJ? I still think he's more scummy than you.

Are you baiting me?

Regardless of my alignment i'd always say no to that question. Lol.

Anyway i don´t rlly have reason to accept that, my voting will be based on my

opinion

[Naerys]

How likely is Naerys/GBJ scum team? Naery’s reluctance to answer my question on what she thinks of GBJ is pinging me.

I am not reluctant, i was just busy.
What i think about GBJ? Honestly i dont know.

[Naerys]

yah, but not yet, reading up
naerys is weird

Just a result of me working on my thesis way too much

[Naerys]

Either Naerys is a counterwagon to scum!GBJ or Naerys is mafia. I don't think they are both town.

Sure. And if i said that GBJ is scum then i would be merely trying to divert attention from myself. Whatever.

[Naerys]

Don’t like Naerys’ reactions much :/

@Naerys; do you think the votes on you are unfair? + why or why not?

Well, i think i actually deserve them. Its just i am not overly fond of posting way too much and its not like you could change ur personality trait.

[Naerys]

Naerys, any reason your vote is not in play right now?

Bcz in last game i actually got reprimanded for voting. I just do not want to mess up.

[Naerys]

I mean in my previous game. Eh whtever.

[Naerys]

Not not to vote, but it was some weird wordsalad of "you voted for x at this specific time and becuase x y z you are scum", i didn't really get it myself.

At that time it did not feel nice at all tho. Anyway rn now i am deciding between GBJ and Kanna.

[Naerys]

scum are often not nice :<

also gimme reasons pls

Imho nice scum is more dangerous.
Anyway GBJ´s responses are bit vague. Also trying to reveal PR at this stage? Suspicious at best.
About Kanna - its just hunch.

Also me and GBJ both being town is not impossible. In that case i think i could imagine scum couple Saladman/Kanna.

[Naerys]

Also, why do you imagine Saladman could be the potential partner of Kanna?

Well, in case GBJ is townie aswell, it would be convenient if scum partners were not in same wagon. I think Norwegian and Map are town, bit too pushy for my taste, but they want to catch scum and win. I am bit wary of Datisi, but she is not overly friendly, so she might be town too
Then there is Non Imh and Jackson, rn idk what to think about them.

[Naerys]

Happy new year

[Naerys]

ok
As of right meow
I am not interested in lynching norway/map/kanna

Still waiting for saladboi to reply

The rest of you pls start either acting v towny or v scummy pls tyty

I hope saladman will write soon...
anyway, rn i think GBJ is the safest option to lynch (except me)
tho i am bit reluctant to push it to L1

[Naerys]

(except me)

???

Well, i am trying to be useful atleast a bit, but i feel useless xD

[Naerys]

I don't have time for this game with my new job and everything, I have asked to be replaced but nothing seems to have been done just yet. I don't really want my slot mislynched or anything

Well, good luck in ur job, then

VOTE: Gaybabyjailor
I still think he is the most suspicious one

[Naerys]

*sigh*
VOTE: Jackson
L1

I don’t know if i like the way you worded this vote. Why are you sighing in like half of your posts?

It is just 2 out of 7. But anyway Non seems like person, that does not wish to be noticed.

[Naerys]

*sigh*
VOTE: Jackson
L1

I don’t know if i like the way you worded this vote. Why are you sighing in like half of your posts?

It is just 2 out of 7. But anyway Non seems like person, that does not wish to be noticed.

i just noticed this
what does "2 ot of 7" mean pretty please? <3

2 posts with sighing out of 7 Non´s posts

[Naerys]

Ph0enix replaces JacksonVirgo. You are the best bird!

Awww <3

Hello everyone, catching up is in progress.

Welcome

[Naerys]

I actually have to appreciate Ph0enix´s analysis, it is very nice.
Right now, there are 3 people whose posts are for me very vague - GBJ,Non, Saladman.
RN i do not have really much to add, tbh.

Based on qutoes Ph0enix posted, Saladman looks very scummy. Also i do not really understand some points Non made in one of previous posts...

so I'm in my own way keeping myself on the table if needed since if I'm playing right, not one of you should be outright townreading me yet

and

I'm not used to standing by and letting people I think are town get killed off. Given the format, I understand why it happens and why I should start getting used to it but that doesn't mean I have to like it. My current plan is to more or less play as I want until I qualify as an SE and then and only then bite my tongue and play along with lynches I disagree with. That said, I'm still not all too confident and would like to hear from Jackson's slot before deciding on what next I'd like to do.

It seems like Non does not wish to be townread, but also claims to dislike possibility of mislynch

[Naerys]

Actually, can I ask why people individually find GBJ scummy?

Bcz of this:

do i need a reason to share my reads?

And he gives no reasons for his reads list. He is not rlly helpful at all.

[Naerys]

Scum>not helpful
Mafia often tries to look helpful. Town can sometimes be extremely unhelpful.

That is true. But i looked back at him voting me, and it seems pretty opportunistic to me. Perhaps he saw chance to divert attention?

[Naerys]

but if GBJ flips red

Hopefully.
I doubt GBJ would show up.

[Naerys]

this post doesn't come from a Town PR cheif

Thats true.

[Naerys]

VOTE: GBJ

now we don't need to out a PR to cc the scum
y'all welcome uwu

pedit: hai norway i did it

Lol i can imagine Non vs you in case GBJ flips town

[Naerys]

Why?

So townies knew atleast 1 person we could trust?

[Naerys]

Anyway what chance is that both scums would be out of wagon (Non,Map)?

[Naerys]

If 1 scum fake claims mason, then the real mason can out him easily. So it is in our interest for the second mason to claim today so we don't accidentally lynch him.

It could be Non. Kanna seemed to defend her/him. That, or Phoenix.

[Naerys]

We won't "accidentally" lynch a Mason since they would claim at L-1.

And let's maybe take it easy? Mason outing today guarantees they get shot tonight.

A conftown in LyLo would be more useful. Unless scum tries to cc them...

i sincerely doubt Kanna would put fellow mason in her readings as scum.

[Naerys]

I'm second guessing Datisi's towniness.

There is certainly something weird about Datisi.
Tbh with Map wolf he is becoming my suspect.

[Naerys]

I'm second guessing Datisi's towniness.

Do tell

We won't "accidentally" lynch a Mason since they would claim at L-1.

And let's maybe take it easy? Mason outing today guarantees they get shot tonight.

A conftown in LyLo would be more useful. Unless scum tries to cc them...

i sincerely doubt Kanna would put fellow mason in her readings as scum.

So you wanna lynch from Kanna's SR's or?

I mean scum might find mason even without claiming,

[Naerys]

Actually i'm explicitly suspicious of Datisi being scum.

I actually had nightmare where you and Datisi were both scum and you won :X

[Naerys]

Because I'm feeling attacked for not good reason?

What do you think about Map Wolf?
I think Non is town, but Map´s staying out of wagon could be suspicious.

[Naerys]

Well i didn´t really like the way Datisi hammered.

y'all welcome uwu

pedit: hai norway i did it

[Naerys]

I currently don't have time to read through the new stuff and post, will catch up as soon as I can.

Do you think scum would stage an argument at this point?

[Naerys]

VOTE: Datisi

You seem to be very certain...

[Naerys]

Non, you a Mason?

Good luck getting answer

[Naerys]

Assuming GBJ flips green, we're all in agreement that Datisi is scum, yeh?

No. How about you actually explain why you think this.

And dare you explain your trajectory from here to voting me?

No further explanation of my trajectory is needed, because I am town and you are scum. Die scum die!!!

Why did we thought u are 100% town?

[Naerys]

i am asking Norwegian. This whole argument is weird, enough to give me headache.

[Naerys]

First it was think Naerys is Town due to the similarity to the previous game, then you don't like her play and you thought she was either scum or a counterwagon to GBJ (who flipped Town), then it's "seems like she's Town" and Naerys reaction to our start of Day 2 seeme Townie.

When you put it like this, it sounds suspicious.

[Naerys]

@Naerys: Current reads?

Right now i am trying to heal myself from Norwegian and Datisi arguing with each other.

Non is town.

I´d like to get more from Map Wolf - he has whole 1 post at day 2.
Saladman aswell.
And there is Datisi vs Norwegian, which kind of annoys one. Not sure if scum would try to annoy players like that.

Btw it´s funny how Datisi and Norwegian are already over 100 posts. I doubt that indicates anything, but they certainly are very active.

[Naerys]

Tell us about it.

it was supposed to be a shotgun read list.

Can we lynch this being?


VOTE: Saladman27

[Naerys]

Somehow quote went weird.Eh.

[Naerys]

Ok. So why exactly would scum!you think you could EaSiLy sway town!me into voting Salad, especially when in the same breath you accuse me of getting defensive over him?

You said it yourself, I'm a danger in LyLo. If i saw though Naerys/Norway team, you'd either have to NK me (if you even manage to survive the Day) and have a conftown Mason in lylo, or you could push some crappy narrative to get me lynched so you could remove the Mason and then dismiss my arguments tomorrow.

Tbf I'm not exactly sure of that. Your read of Naerys reads like tmi bullshit, but I think it might be closer to buddying than defending a teammate.

Well, it could be buddying - Norway is almost defending me.

[Naerys]

Exactly.

That is not very helpful. And u ignored Datisi´s question.

[Naerys]

Rn, I think the whole game is really getting heated up. I'd like to ask Norway why you're so confident the Non is the mason?

Non sort of claimed being Mason. And Kanna sort of defended Non.

[Naerys]

Rn, I think the whole game is really getting heated up. I'd like to ask Norway why you're so confident the Non is the mason?

Non sort of claimed being Mason. And Kanna sort of defended Non.

Wdym by sort of?

I mean this post:

I hardclaim mason mafia wont shoot me no balls

[Naerys]

So, you think you'd be able to persuade me to vote my townread? kek.

Idk why are u so certain about Saladman?

[Naerys]

Pretty much giving up on trying to defend myself.

You are similiar to GBJ in that you post some reads, but you don´t give any reasons.
You know, if you are townie you should be trying to persuade us. We need to find a scum, and you are not helping.

[Naerys]

> Non not bothering to give reads
> main wagon still being the lynchbait

nice

Hm... if Saladman is green, that´d make Norwegian highly suspicious.
According to JEEP's Tells Norwegian or Phoenix could be scum ( i know these tells are not rlly considered valid anymore)

[Naerys]

> Non not bothering to give reads
> main wagon still being the lynchbait

nice

Hm... if Saladman is green, that´d make Norwegian highly suspicious.
According to JEEP's Tells Norwegian or Phoenix could be scum ( i know these tells are not rlly considered valid anymore)

Which tells, I don't know what you are referring to?

That at 3rd or 4th place in wagon could be scum
link:
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ding_Mafia

[Naerys]

What tells are you finding on me?

Rn only this
-Third person on a wagon is likely to be mafia

[Naerys]

Your read of Naerys reads like tmi bullshit, but I think it might be closer to buddying than defending a teammate.

This post is really interesting, i like how Datisi goes absolutely BALLISTIC at the thought of me townreading Naery's slot. When the narrative of us teaming fails, he even goes as far as trying to discourage it by telling Naery's i might be "buddying" her.
Disgusting.

Well, to be fair, you TR me almost from the beginning, when u had not much of reason to TR me.

[Naerys]

Naerys how does that pocket feel like? Warm and cozy?

You are merely trying to make me feel guilty, so i would unvote Saladman.

[Naerys]

then it is kinda like he did here

Not really, he did not ask for replacement. It almost seems like he does not wish to play as scum. Here he atleast tried to play with us.

[Naerys]

Naerys, if you don't see how "wow! you linked a page! you must be town!" is a horrible read then i don't think i can help you

On the other side, line "you do not listen to me = you are bad and easily manipulated" is not much better
it almost felt as emotional blackmail

[Naerys]

Naerys, if you don't see how "wow! you linked a page! you must be town!" is a horrible read then i don't think i can help you

yes, that makes me think he's town here, because immediately flaking =/= posting and solving - which is literally what he's doing here and what he did in all his other town games

Do you think scum!Saladman would try to ask for replacement instead of giving up like that?

[Naerys]

why is it impossible for you to reconsider

Not for me
UNVOTE: Saladman27

[Naerys]

I trust him, so yes.

Why do you trust Phoenix?

[Naerys]

Assuming you as scum wouldn't be so unethical as to TR a scum!Saladman in bad faith, and he really is town here. Then maybe it really is Map Wolf with either Phoenix or Naerys.

Hmm any valid reason why you think i am scum?

[Naerys]

Naery's. What is your read on Map Wolf?

Well, Map is certainly less active than at D1. Idk if i can discuss it here, but Plotinus had intersting post about lurkers, that town actually might have more lurkers than scum.
I personally do not really know what to think about Map

[Naerys]

lmao wat

"You do not vote with me, so i vote against you"

[Naerys]

Have you even made a reads list? Like... ever?

Tbf i did not. Okay i have to admit my play is bad, looking back at my posts.

[Naerys]

What are your thoughts about the game right now?

That it is bit messed up-whole Norwegian/Datisi argument is kinda confusing. And that we should vote carefully, After all myslynch can get us in 3 towns vs 2 scum situation.
I personally made kinda lot of mistakes, and i am sorry for that, i hope it won´t cost town victory.

1) Your reads are very nice, they are very helpful and you are good with pointing ome things out. What bothers me are posts of the person you replaced - Virgo. But perhaps Virgo really did not have time to write more, i can´t say. But i am leaning towards you being town.

2) Non is mason, but i wish she/he had different style of playing.

3) Saladman kinda reminds me GBJ a bit. Does not write much, avoids some questions. Atleast he posted some readslist, but i wish he wrote his reasons. I can imagine him as both lurking scum and lurking town, so null for now.

4) Datisi is a tough one. There is really many posts for me to go through. Lets just say her argument with Norwegian kind of annoyed me. Although i admit both of them have some points about Saladman.

I can imagine that "triangle" Norwegian-Saladman-Datisi contains atleast one scum.

I have to ask, for whom aruments like this are more advantageous?

5)Norwegian - Well, this person TR me for some time. I honestly do not know what to think about that. Was it buddying or not? Honestly, i dislike being manipulated and sometimes it felt like u are trying that. But tbf, Datisi tried that too with her pocket post.
At some point it felt almost like Norway was pushing very hard for lynching Saladman. And then ur voting for me and Map Wolf. I am wary of you, i certainly do not trust you (tbf only person i could trust is Non).

6) Map Wolf - I do not really know what to write about him. Or what to think about him.

Rn i do not see any clear scum. As i said, possibly trio Datisi-Norwegian-Saladman contains scum.

[Naerys]

@Naerys could you elaborate on 4)? I mean, mathematically it is likely that any three people out of six contain at least one scum.

Well, if Saladman is town, either Datisi or Norwegian is using him for hers/his purpose. If Norwegian is scum, he is using Saladman´s lurking to make us myslynch. Datisi would be either defending his scum buddy or trying to make Norwegian the bad one - so we would lynch Norwegian.

Or Saladman is scum, and hopes we will think he is townie, just like GBJ.

[Naerys]

What was the reason for your vote against him and for the unvote that followed?

My reason for voting Saladman was not rlly good, i did not like his lurking. But then i thought somebody might be using his lurking as a cover, so i unvoted. As i said, i do not trust Norwegian.

[Naerys]

I've been considering either Naery's or Saladman.

Why do you think Datisi is unlikely partner to Map?

[Naerys]

Why do you think Datisi is unlikely partner to Map?

Because Datisi is voting him?
Isn't that obvious?

So you think bussing is unlikely?

[Naerys]

Naery's i don't like how you were completely ok with voting Saladman but now you're stalling.

And i don´t like your pushing.

[Naerys]

Naery's acting visibly nervous

I am not nervous. Please, stop assuming. I already said that i do not know what to think about Map, so i am not entirely convinced that lynching him is the right option.

[Naerys]

Naerys it's over. Just hammer your scum buddy and get it over with.

No.

[Naerys]

Naerys it's over. Just hammer your scum buddy and get it over with.

No.

Could you address 742 then?

Have you ever had a feeling that you´re about to make a mistake? I do. I don´t have proof and i might be wrong, but i am willing to take risk of being lynched next.
Besides, Non wanted to be the one to hammer.

[Naerys]

Have you ever had a feeling that you´re about to make a mistake? I do. I don´t have proof and i might be wrong, but i am willing to take risk of being lynched next.

As much as i mocked Datisi for his townread on Saladman, i did eventually have to begrudgingly admit that his town meta (even if scummy) is similar to his current play. Including the fact that Salad has literally never rolled scum except once where he repped out and it's hell of a lot more convincing than your non-argument for why scum wolf is town.

Sure. You only have to wait for Non or Saladman.
I will not vote.

[Naerys]

If i'm going from pocketed to shitpushed to pocketed again from scum!Norway I'm gonna be very salty post game i'm warning yall right now

I think you would not be the only one
if Norway is scum, all i can say is - well played.

[Naerys]

You didn't explain why you TR Map Wolf. You just do...

Nah. I admitted its just bad feeling. And i also said i could be wrong, bcz i am not sure about Map either way.

[Naerys]

Good job Naerys, you almost had me fooled this game. It was a very cute and impressionable newbie town performance.

Spoiler:

[Naerys]

Anyway, i wish you good fortune in the wars to come.
Unfortunately, ability to concede this game does not lie in my hands, since i am NOT scum.

[Naerys]

So who is it then.

Do i look like a seer?

[Naerys]

Very convincing.

Do you think i would have any reason to drag this game?

[Naerys]

Datisi vs Phoenix is hard pick.
Both are smooth in playing town. So either Datisi unknowingly "protected" scum, or we have smart, cunning scum, who bussed his partner. I´d say do not rush.

[Naerys]

Hmm, maybe.
But there is also chance, he picked random town person, bcz he knew you´d think that?

Somebody is fishing a bit, dont you think, Norwegian?

[Naerys]

For me, mason!Saladman makes more sense than scum!Saladman tbh

[Naerys]

I still think Naery's is scum. I'm just entertaining the thought because it would be so much more amazing if one of you/Phoenix/Salad was scum here.

I can assure you that thought of you being scum is not amazing.AT.ALL.

[Naerys]

Well, from my point of view, if Datisi and Saladman are town, scum is one of Norwegian/Phoenix.

[Naerys]

What if Datisi is scum...?
I mean... WHY would Map Wolf randomly push for Datisi at the end of D2 unless it was strategic.

And what if this is scum plan? To make us think Datisi is scum? Real scum would try either lynch me, for my bad play, or framing Datisi.

[Naerys]

Well, Datisi/Norwegian/Phoenix trio in LyLo seems like an overkill to me. But have fun.
VOTE: NorwegianboyEE
Wanted to do that atleast once.

[Naerys]

I'm being voted. That's a scum claim.

As i said, i have no reason to drag this game.So ask yourselves why i did not concede? Bcz i cant - i am not scum.

[Naerys]

You know what, fuck it

Intent to Hammer: Naerys

Ye, do it. Atleast everyone will see, i am just vanilla, not scum

[Naerys]

Naerys you still haven't answered why you defended scum wolf yesterday.
Obviously nobody is going to be convinced by your "i am town tho, yeet! " routine.

Whatever. I said enough the previous day, i have nothing more to add.

[Naerys]

Yes

[Naerys]

Every newbie game.

Very funny.
Except:
1) i dont really mind being lynched, i dont want to get to LyLo with either one of you
2)i hope you wont take offence but i dont rlly want to play any game where you will be
3) have fun

[Naerys]

I´ve had enough with this game. You are confusing me and then i got feeling like you are actually enjoying that.

[Naerys]

That being said, Naerys has done little to change my opinion of her.

There is nothing i could say that would change ur opinion

[Naerys]

That being said...
VOTE: Naerys
Have fun at LyLo
I can see your trio arguing till death

[Naerys]

Bcz there is no chance of convincing, althouhg i CLEARLY said i cannot concede,since i am NOT scum.

[Naerys]

Please be twilight trolling?

I am not. You´ll see.

[Naerys]

Oh well, can dead share their thoughts too?
Very good play for Phoenix, respect to you, mighty scum!
I am not surprised Datisi picked Norway. Norway looked way scummier through whole game.
Thank you for such wonderful game.

[Naerys]

I think D3 was probably what ultimately lost this for town

I should have tried harder to persuade
But i doubt it would work.

[Naerys]

from their point of view i could have been newb!scum that got nervous from losing partner i guess

[Naerys]

I am sick and tired of playing Town

i hope i´ll get to play as scum too
and please, do not use this against me in next game(s)

[Naerys]

Daitsi, you’ve never seen my townplay before. So how can you be so sure already?

for all we know you might be scum partner of MapWolf and trying to stage something scummy

Its pity Norway was not scum.
Irony of this would be kinda hilarious

[Naerys]

I have to admit that i´ll be very suspicious of Phoenix, when i meet him in other game(s)
But really, well played.