Newbie 1976 Mason PT

[Kanna]

hello mason partner :>

[Kanna]

Yup, I’ve rolled mason back to back now but it’s a really fun role so no complaints

Also YES to fakeclaiming; that was actually my plan last game but we ended up not doing it.

[Kanna]

Should I crumb too? Also how exactly do you crumb?

[Kanna]

Also feel free to talk a lot; there’s no rules in our secret clubhouse

[Kanna]

I've been in a Mason game once where a Mason claimed Cop with a fake guilty, but it ended up doing more harm than good. So I kinda don't wanna go the "claiming a fake guilty for reactions" route.

pedit: hold on i'll show you what I'm doing in a second

oh that’s a good crumb! In that case, maybe I won’t crumb cause more crumbing = more danger, yes? I think your crumb is enough verification for the both of us.

[Kanna]

Wtf just happened ignore that quote

[Kanna]

But yeah, last time my plan was one of us claim cop with an innocent report on the other (would’ve worked too) so we can definitely try that! It’s basically no risk if it goes wrong too cause worst case scenario is scum don’t CC

[Kanna]

Oh, one more thing. While we obviously should be TRing and protecting each other, I reccomend you don't put me

too

high in your readslist, because that increases the odds of me becoming the NK. I'll probably do the same for you, yeah?

Also yup understood!

[Kanna]

@cop gamble; oh that's spicy :> But yeah you make some good points and I want to think it over again. I'm assuming we're potentially doing it a bit later so we still have time to work out the kinks

[Kanna]

Hmmmm... Early gut townpings on Map Wolf and scumpings on Norway, but knowing my usual read accuracy they're most likely the other way around.

*flashback to my last game where I hard defended scum at deadline*

[Kanna]

Also yup! I played with Map and GBJ in the game where I was mason! GBJ was scum but I'm sure he would've learnt from last time so idk if the same tells would apply.

[Kanna]

Also no, I find him a bit scummy for that reason I said in my post. I'll explain myself in thread soon!

[Kanna]

THE VOTE: NORWEGIAN THOUGH

[Kanna]

everything fits so well

[Kanna]

I feel a bit awkward in thread but I think I'll always be a bit awkward at the start of new games

[Kanna]

hmm semi reaction test; I've accidentally referenced Map in like...all of my posts. If he's uncomfortable with that/thinks I'm pocketing, that's +town. If he just lets it happen, that's +scum. Or maybe he won't pick up on it which is

[Kanna]

nvm scratch that reaction test; I don't think I would've passed it myself

[Kanna]

About Map; He feels a bit more aggressive imo. Last game he was more sheepy/absent (and I incorrectly tunneled him D1 for it) but it could be his heart wasn't in that other game and in this game, like he said, he was going to be trying harder. As for his tone, it's pretty similar.

I wouldn't tr him though

[Kanna]

A similar thing happened in my last game and I think townie frustration is a thing. Not sure though :/

[Kanna]

But what if we lightly scumread each other? Would that make us semi scummy > less likely to avoid nighkills? Hmmmmm

[Kanna]

yeah that’s fine with me. I guess we’ll see how we go, we’re kinda both not that scummy

[Kanna]

But GBJ and Map both seem more aggressive than last time, idk about either of them

[Kanna]

Maybe. Ngl I'm pretty confused so far.

[Kanna]

It's actually possible this is scum GBJ trying something different from last time. Idk how to describe it but it doesn't look like he's looking for scum.

[Kanna]

Also I have a feeling I really need to start posting less in the main thread, since the chattier people are generally more likely to die early. But that then encourages already pretty bad activity to continue.

really? that's interesting. But I agree the game's kind of stagnant; I'm hoping it's because it's holiday season rather than other reasons

[Kanna]

to post or not to post

[Kanna]

But to be fair I don't have much to say.

[Kanna]

uwu your sacrifices are appreciated

[Kanna]

tbh I was kinda like ...what is Datisi doing...but it makes sense now also that’s a solid plan and I approve

[Kanna]

Bye low TR on Naerys, now I trust no one (except you)

[Kanna]

Btw from experience, Non is kinda trigger happy and will hammer on L1 without intent. Should I say this in the thread?

[Kanna]

oh is that rule that inclusive? But ok got it.

I do hope people are careful with their L1s though.

[Kanna]

Is Norway scummy for rallying people up to vote GBJ? Hmmm

[Kanna]

:>

[Kanna]

I sorta think GBJ/Naerys is too easy so it’s probably not them/or at least both of them.

GBJ does feels like scum to me though

[Kanna]

He can be pro town so I don’t understand why he’s like this. We also know he isn’t a PR so it’s not that either. Gut says he’s pulling a “top scummy to be scum” but is actually scum to change it up from last time or something

[Kanna]

ok so i think this could be a semi-solid plan for D1:
1) we never vote together, but if possible one of us is gonna be the one to give intent at someone
2) if anyone claims PR whoever isn't on-wagon / is online at the time speedhammers that
3) the other one starts yelling "omg quickhammer bad lynch Kanna/Datisi tomorrow"
4) ???
5) profit

i *think* we minimize the odds of becoming a NK like that as much as we can? but even if we die generally 1 on 1 scum v PR trade is +Town

the drawback of this would of course be that since we know that person is scum we would potentially be losing any connection/partner tells by speedhammering but I'd generally be more in favour of trying to keep us alive?

like i feel like there should be an optimal way to use this role for gambiting but i'm not sure i see it right now and that kinda annoys me

also i'll try to shitpost a bit in thread to *hopefully* look dumb and thus not get killed

btw for this plan, what should we say before hammer? I was thinking something like "don't cc, I'm pretty sure this is a lie," so it doesn't look like we're ccing. We still might get nightkilled but maybe we won't?

[Kanna]

Oof sorry late reply but happy new years friendo!! drink safely and watch out for hangovers :>

[Kanna]

why is this game stagnant

[Kanna]

Datisi why u gotta top everyone’s readlists :<

Tbh I am kinda worried you’ll die if nothing changes.I really hope Norway is town and scum kill him instead

[Kanna]

I’ll throw some paranoia your way

[Kanna]

Idk why but I don’t think salad is scum. My town block is probably you/me/naerys/salad.

[Kanna]

Bluh I need to sort out my actual readlist first

[Kanna]

also theory; I think scum are staying clear from you because you're a hard target. So like, I think you could do literally anything rn and still get TRd. Maybe I need to sling more mud on you

[Kanna]

I think if you make a readslist
Put me as like Townleaning but mention that you're paranoid I might be buddying Norway? So that's like a point for scum!Datisi

Maybe I'll put you at null?

[Kanna]

^idk maybe that would look weird

[Kanna]

Think my actual readlist goes;

<you, me>

<naerys, salad>
<map>
<Norway, Jackson>
<GBJ>

Let me know what you think though, I have low confidence :/

[Kanna]

Yeah tbh we should be hard TRing Norway and hope that saves you from NK

[Kanna]

Also I agree Norway’s pretty townie but I’m paranoid because of how much he TRs you. Like continuing on from my theory of scum want to stay clear of you, maybe he’s buddying you cause you’re a threat? In my last game the SEs were generally more cautious of each other + my mason buddy was paranoid of someone hard whiteknighting me and they did turn out to be scum so.

Naerys is high for the same reason as salad which is basically I feel like she’s genuine. Also see some townie paranoia.

[Kanna]

In actuality I think GBJ could have a fairly high chance of being scum though because a) I know he lurks as scum
b) I know he is pro town as town
c) he got caught last time so it makes sense he’s trying something different

I want to poke around but I do kinda wanna lynch GBJ

[Kanna]

Also I agree Norway’s pretty townie but I’m paranoid because of how much he TRs you. Like continuing on from my theory of scum want to stay clear of you, maybe he’s buddying you cause you’re a threat?

Btw reply to this
Are you paranoid of anyone else's TR on me? Because it could be scum, but it could also be a genuine Townie

I still think we should keep TRing him in thread for time being because I'm not really interested in lynching him today anyway

Oh and if he is buddying up to me (and does so "successfully") then scum!him will *probably* keep me alive as pocket fuel so i wouldn't really question it yet

yeah could be just paranoia on my part but I think it's something to keep in mind. Also agree for sure no actually going after him in thread.

Also maybe but he might also kill you to become ~the alpha SE~

[Kanna]

Ok
If you ever want me to lolhammer GBJ I'm down

We actually could potentially but I'm not ready for if he flips town (what's our claim strat?) or if he flips scum (is that Datisi insta kill ) we should probably talk strategy though

[Kanna]

In my last game the SEs were generally more cautious of each other + my mason buddy was paranoid of someone hard whiteknighting me and they did turn out to be scum so.

Ye, considering it was skitter/GL/Mena i could bet paranoia was running wild

And especially since it was Billy as your Mason partner because he does have some history of scum hard pocketing him and winning the game because of that (i may or may not have been the scum in question )

I'm scared of you now

[Kanna]

Ok
If you ever want me to lolhammer GBJ I'm down

We actually could potentially but I'm not ready for if he flips town (what's our claim strat?) or if he flips scum (is that Datisi insta kill ) we should probably talk strategy though

I mean if green I'd give some shitty excuse as "didn't see it was L-1" and then hope to talk my way out of it tomorrow

If red then ugh *probably*? Maybe not? I think i remember a recent game where someone did lolhammer scum day 1 and then that slot lived to LyLo so *maybe* scum doesn't kill me?

And definitely not yet, i want all slots to make a decent contribution to the game first

yuh yuh of course :>

[Kanna]

Hm, maybe

Though a word of advice, don't look up at SE's too much

Like sure they got experience (and afaik I've got the most games played out of our 3 SE's) but that's literally it

Doesn't make me *good* at the game (in fact makes me worse one would think I'd have better reads at this point lololol hah ha c': )

Also fun fact: I actually wanted to roll scum this game. I didn't know most of the people here so i kinda wanted to guide a newbie and also meme around and spew BS and whatever

But nope i gotta be a super serious Mason

ngl it would be fun to be scum with you in this game though

[Kanna]

Damon it ignore the extra quote again

[Kanna]

Also GBJ returns with the naked readslist
Like i wanna lynch them but nobody is trying to defend them at all and scum generally doesn't bus *this* easy in newbies so???

Unless Jackson or maybe Salad are the partner, Naerys is voting GBJ right? So she probably wouldn't have

Actually Non is doind weird stuff there
Hmmm i need them to appear and do stuff

Actually I do see GBJ defence from Non, Map and to an extent Jackson so that was kinda what swung me that he isn’t *that* easy

Although I do think if GBJ is scum they might do distancing because they lost last game due to high association

[Kanna]

No worries lol
Also i wanna get some *Mason theatre* going on
If you wanna shade me for asking stupid ass questions at you you can

ok understood; I’m a bit busy rn but will think on it +be back soon

[Kanna]

I would never attack you <3

[Kanna]

But yeah I hope my response is ok

[Kanna]

whoops got SRd for being inactive. Maybe this is good for avoiding the nightkill but I am sorry for not putting in enough effort/letting the team down. I haven't been lurking but I've been lacking ~general motivation~

I'll try and get back into this

[Kanna]

lol Non the mason hunter. Pretty sure this happened in my last game too

[Kanna]

i kinda hope an experienced player replaces in Jackson's slot
so if they're obvtown they draw the kill and if not then they're probably gonna see me as pocket fuel and not kill me

also one thing i find kinda funny
with how Townread i'm being you're probably gonna be the among the last picks for my buddy, esp if we keep up the mudflinging and make it convincing

actually would it be a good idea to create fake Mason "tells" for both norway and salad and hope if i die first and they're town they get killed next? Hm maybe there is a deeper strategy to playing Mason after all haha

like i think a semi-valid strategy could be:
> me cc's/lolhammers scum
> me dies
> scum kills wrong targets thinking they're the other mason
> you survive to lylo
> try to bait out a claim out of scum by claiming VT
> show crumb lynch scum ggwp

like obviously there's a thousand things that can screw this plan up but in a vacuum i think it's dope

I guess another possible way could be >me saying "I'm a mason but I didn't crumb cause I didn't do it last time. "
> scum think "haha now it's fair game" and claim mason
> I pull out the crumb and damn that would be so cool

[Kanna]

Okok time to get back to the thread but really I just want to lynch GBJ

[Kanna]

I'm pretty sure I look terrible now but uhhh oh well

[Kanna]

Also I'm p confident Norway/Phoenix are not scum or at least both not scum so hopefully they can be NK bait

Thinking I'll post a readlist soon to hype them up

[Kanna]

Actually might be better to get GBJ to claim (with me giving intent) rather than pure lolhammering. We know a PR won't be outted, if they do claim a PR I'm speedhammering, and I kinda don't think scum was going to kill them anyway so we're probably not shrinking the NK pool too much?

Question being, after last game (i recall there was some talk about scum claiming PR at intent) do we think scum!GBJ fakeclaims PR or no?

for GBJ claiming, think he may have learned and will claim but not sure

[Kanna]

Ok I couldn’t really null you but I tried to hype Norway up

[Kanna]

Oh, i just remembered GBJ made this post:

also Norwegian is either PR or scum to me

which I'm gonna use as a basis for quickhammering if they claim PR or as basis for lynching them without a cc if someone manages to unvote before I can get my vote in

this is all assuming they are scum and claim PR hm hm
what if they're not scum
idk we shall see

^oh and that ones good!

[Kanna]

well.....

tbh i had a gut feeling it ~wasn't that easy~ and my reads are usually ~not correct~ so...but I'm still kinda disappointed because I hyped myself up

[Kanna]

Ok time to hammer down tonight in case one of us dies. I'm gonna reassess the game soon

[Kanna]

And once again I have proven my incompetency. On the bright side, I'm *probably* not dying tonight?

Though I can already see Non tomorrow l m a o

also yup yup I think we *should* be alive?

[Kanna]

Initial feelings;
>not map; I'm starting to believe I'm generally wrong about him
>probably not non
>norway/naerys perhaps????

[Kanna]

Maybe? Gut says no but I guess maybe they knew GBJ was town and tied themselves to him?

But yeah true + I think it's important we try to solve this game as much as possible tonight

[Kanna]

I think overall cop claim is good

>column A: scum think there is doctor so they probably won't kill cop + instead rb them
>column C: scum think there isn't a doctor so they might try to claim doc. Will get 100% killed but maybe we can bait them to claim before that

[Kanna]

oof, take care of yourself + real life comes first! I'm on holiday so I should be strongarming this but uh

also hmmm yeah that is a problem. I like your idea of a fake innocent though? i'll think more on this. Maybe the ideal situation is they don't ask lol

[Kanna]

Maybe salad? idk but yeah I guess me is the safest route.

If you do claim cop though we have to do it semi early because we need time to bait if we're in C

[Kanna]

Ok now that I think aboout it, GBJ wagon was bad. He was really easy to SR on a surface level. Think we can find scum if we examine GBJ reasoning

[Kanna]

I'll be doing as much as I can to avoid claiming, namely because unless I powerlynch scum tomorrow I'm prob not getting NKed N2 either, and us both surviving to lylo would be great

Tho i think tomorrow we need to start running people up for claims

Bruh i have at least a slight TR on like everyone except Map/Non but that feels Very Wrong

I need to reread the game when it's not 4am lmao fml

^ yeayea true, if we aren't relatively sure we've nailed scum or desperate, we don't have to claim.

[Kanna]

Also lol those are my trs

[Kanna]

Have a whole readlist

Think I trust Salad because he doesn't feel agenda-y
Phoenix also feels pure
Map ik looks kinda scummy but I've tunneled on him incorrectly before and I'm getting the same vibe that this is just his "town"
Non is also very similar to past games + he even voted me again which idk why I tr but I do

Norway; having second thoughts about cause 1) he's been very surface level-ish in his reads 2) he's very open to lynching based on lurk etc. Taking an argument from <retracted>, he picks on anti town behaviour and not exactly scum behaviour
Naerys; did seem kind of defensive and had a few posts which *I'm not sure about* + makes sense to be with norway I guess

[Kanna]

Also jackson was hesistant over GBJ too and that's actually a good sign so yes I think phoenix is town

[Kanna]

the more i think about it the more I'm like that gbj lynch was bad; if i was more focused/wasn't a mason, I should've pushed against it

[Kanna]

I just didn't believe GBJ would gamethrow but he actually did

[Kanna]

I mean gamethrow as in not be helpful whatsoever. I thought antitown was a strategic choice

[Kanna]

go to sleep Datisi :<

[Kanna]

oh didn't know that but I didn't mean offence :c I get genuinely a bit annoyed when people don't "try" though

[Kanna]

maybe I'll uh retract that; I don't want to be mean

[Kanna]

I will also read through again and post some notes

[Kanna]

Ok reading ~lynch time, norway pushes hard for lynching gbj without a claim. We know he won't flip PR, but Norway doesn't seem to care
page 18 #441 (naerys) sounds like they know GBJ will flip town and is excited lol

[Kanna]

(for you vs non tomorrow)

[Kanna]

Post #55; Norway TRs Naerys early
Post #107; Norway defends Naerys again and uses meta as reasoning but I think it's kind of unnatural they would check meta just like that
Post #124; Naerys accuses GBJ of being frustrated scum (he doesn't seem frustrated) + is on Norway's side
Post #143; Norway drops teammates > 2 people who are inactive
Post #174; Naerys, defensive. Contrasts earlier posts in tone.
Post #179; Norway shades Naerys but doesn't really SR/push her
Post #185: Naerys, defensive.
Post #186: Norway again shade but not push and instead gives her an opportunity to vote GBJ
Post #189~ Norway/Naerys interact. (check later)
Post #206; Norway shade again but doesn't vote
Post #209; IS INTERESTING
Post #213; Again, sort of goes back to defending when things look a lil bad +doesn't vote Naerys
Post #225~ This chain seemed genuine when I first read it but the hesitation could come from scum

[Kanna]

will continue later + not tunnel vision but I like this pair rn. Also just realised Naerys' exhibits a lot of behaviour similar to scum!GBJ in my last game.

[Kanna]

It's just an overall vibe of being catious + trying to be helpful but idk if they're genuine, it's hard to describe

[Kanna]

Also using something that worked for me last game >salad, Jackson/Phoenix slot, Map, Non when pushed generally doesn't have anyone who defends them (apart from us). Norway defends Naerys every time

[Kanna]

Yeah, what do you think though? I do kind of think it's just this but will reconsider if you have other arguments

[Kanna]

Im so going to ask about 209

[Kanna]

Np + no rush for you but I'll continue to try strongarm. But do let me know why you TR Norway.

[Kanna]

gonna finish this tunnel anyway before moving on

Post #206; (missed) tbf, a push. but goes back to defense/doesn't push further so point still stands
Post #224; well we know that isn't true anymore so the naery's counterwagon argument (which I didn't totally buy at the time) is not good confirmed
Post #239; ok so this applies to salad but not nae?
Post #332-Post #333; i pointed this out too and agree but the "lolhammer claim" doesn't *make* saladman scum even if it is antitown. Also Norway pushes for maybe policy lynch so quick
Post #374; doesn't explain why he thinks gbj is scummy, will not nitpick this but does point to bad reasoning for wanting gbj
Post #385-Post #387; ok interaction i guess

I'll just stop there

[Kanna]

brushing over the game

Post #190 THOUGH

[Kanna]

Post #206 so... light naerys push came after that.

i now think map wolf has been p logical

[Kanna]

But I guess a problem here is that scum ccing you as cop is kiinnnda suicide so idk if they would? I can see them maybe saying you’re lying to try and lynch you instead

But I’ll know that’s scummy

[Kanna]

I really want to just go into the day and light push Naerys to see how Norway reacts or just bring out 209 and be like ok so can we lynch Naerys now? And see what happens

[Kanna]

Also yes I will also be worried if Phoenix isn’t killed

[Kanna]

I probs need a reality check though cause all I see is Norway Naerys.

Give me any other ideas/pairings please please

[Kanna]

Actually now that I think about it, Map might die cause he was against GBJ > townpoints?

[Kanna]

Omg

And I think *if it is them* then yea could be because they’re a SE/newbie team so maybe the SE wants to protect the newbie? Skitter was protecting GBJ too and I think they’ll avoid bus if they can avoid - it’s natural

[Kanna]

Plus D1 went extraordinarily well for them so why would they bus

[Kanna]

Actually YEA...thinking about it, D1 was too peaceful; feels like mafia we’re comfortable

[Kanna]

If not, back to square 1 but I want to give this a shot

[Kanna]

Well I’m going to sleep now gn! And I think we’ve mostly done all we can for this night so let’s just take it easy now

[Kanna]

@mod; actually it's fine to release as is :>