Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

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Rawwr!

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it (usually) takes me a while to move votes
(although i guess i've been kinda breaking out of that meta recently)

idk why i didn't actually switch the vote there

i kinda want to vote plum tho

VOTE: plum

yuck

Tris, Plum, Skitter scumteam. Calling it now.

hi ari

ok

i was just going to shitpost but it's already that time

VOTE: Mathblade

this is scum.

VOTE: MathBlade

i have a better vote

VOTE: Plum

no i never called you town but I was mostly just looking to see how people reacted to an early push

VOTE: plum

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@mod, vla all weekends

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mm early townpings from mathblade are shrinkign

i don't really see anything that could change those early townpings tho?

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could you throw me like a very iconeum 20 word explanation of the plum vote ico?

plum overdefending against her party time opening didn't read great
voting mathblade wasn't amazing, it also came after RC voted Math so it feels like plum didn't feel safe voting for Math by herself?
making 169 and using that as a scumread for Math is yuck
also unvoted after RC makes me feel like Plum is trying to get in the shade, because the sun is burning hot like in aussie right now
209 is just an evacuation of the current gamestate which just says 'ok time to fuck off of my slot here guys', which is fine but I don't think an actual scumread on Math goes away from that post alone

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oh god i'm gonna be scumread for my opening again ain't I

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RC, at least bring vaseline this time baby

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oh god i'm gonna be scumread for my opening again ain't I

Yep. You are being scumread for it.

What’s your thoughts on Ari?

It looks like you’re trying to just sorta plop on Plum and only talking about that is sketch af

sure but i just got here

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What’s your thoughts on Ari?

i don't dislike him

there's literally nothing he did or said that pinged me

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could you throw me like a very iconeum 20 word explanation of the plum vote ico?

plum overdefending against her party time opening didn't read great
voting mathblade wasn't amazing, it also came after RC voted Math so it feels like plum didn't feel safe voting for Math by herself?
making 169 and using that as a scumread for Math is yuck
also unvoted after RC makes me feel like Plum is trying to get in the shade, because the sun is burning hot like in aussie right now
209 is just an evacuation of the current gamestate which just says 'ok time to fuck off of my slot here guys', which is fine but I don't think an actual scumread on Math goes away from that post alone

anyone have strong feelings on this
ico it feels like you've compiled a list of things which ~look~ bad about plum but i don't feel really compelled to believe that these make you think she's scum

ducky were you baiting me there?

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i was townreading math from the start that hasn't changed

ducky what made you change your opinion on him?

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hi plum!

why did you wait to vote for Math?

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this is a surprisingly fun game. not sure why. it's kind of fun playing the slow game and not being immediately scumread for it? i'm kinda surprised no one's calling me scum?

on a scale of duckling to dragon, how sure are you about your mathblade meta read?

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also, i'm extremely pleased with this playerlist

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hi plum!

why did you wait to vote for Math?

my vote was half because I thought you were more capable of reading MathBlade through his playstyle than me and were indicating a strong read and half because I held out a faint hope that seeing how he responded to pressure might make him more readable to me in and of itself

"you" here is RC

MathBlade was opaque and null to me due to playstyle, but frustrating because of it too. RC supposedly having a strong scumread on him - in a meta context, no less - was enough for me to say, hey, maybe RC is right, and/or if I vote MathBlade here and pressure with a second vote and willingness to take RC's strong read seriously, MathBlade will react in a way I find more readable than his current work

which was a more productive direction than anything I had until that point

but you unvoted shortly after, again following RC
Did you learn anything about Math? You thought he was scum, and that changed?

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that just feels more like survivalism then scumhunting?

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why is teacher town

If I meld with Teacher early it's a good indication we share alignment. If I had a fake profile it would be named Teacher. Will explain when the read is stronger/ I test him.

where did you meld with teacher?

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why is teacher town

If I meld with Teacher early it's a good indication we share alignment. If I had a fake profile it would be named Teacher. Will explain when the read is stronger/ I test him.

where did you meld with teacher?

On the RC read and I'm making a leap on the reasoning being the same but the timing suggests so. But it's worth asking.

Teacher what made you townread RC initially?

teacher had a read?

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eenie
meenie
miney
VOTE: rc

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So Ico what's your take on me rn

UNVOTE:

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Yes Ico

what post(s) were you mindmelting with exactly?

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Yes Ico. I kind of want to put you as weak town for the post you threw down a plum vote but I'm gonna put a pin in that.

hmm? do you townread me for that or not? don't hedge your read like this plz

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way to early for teams tbh

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i don't see anything scum!ari related

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tris's response to mathblade pushing for reads felt pretty townie too actually

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i'm trying to determine how likely it is that scum!RC tries to hard push ari like this in the early game

don't really see him doing that because lack of need
there's also really not a lot of content in ari's posting so far (i understand that RC sees that differently here), so it's a far stretch for scum!RC to be fabricating that kind of read, especially at this stage of the game...

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VOTE: rcenigma

Feels awkward and contrived. Too much theory talk as well.
Skim reading, need to go back and look at the Ari stuff. Like the rc/the worst interaction over the last few pages.

Xtoms entrance sucks.

Liking ico right now , is making reasonable points.

gonna be honest here

i liked xtoms entrance more then yours

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VOTE: rcenigmaFeels awkward and contrived. Too much theory talk as well. Skim reading, need to go back and look at the Ari stuff. Like the rc/the worst interaction over the last few pages.

can you also expand some on what you feel is awkward and contrived/theory plz

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Ok i have 20 min, let's see how far i get

that's what she said

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catching up from p 16 now

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is there anything you guys want me to adress in particular?

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anyone have strong feelings on this
ico it feels like you've compiled a list of things which ~look~ bad about plum but i don't feel really compelled to believe that these make you think she's scum

Oh
Yeah

This is kinda basically what i was thinking too
It kinda felt like he saw plum was a thing so he decided to join it and come up with reasons why

And i didnt like that he started his entrance calling my plum vote yuck, and then voted/cased her without really getting back to why he didnt like mine

skitter wanna talk about this?

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Ico should explain his progression on me, it is not a good look that he made a case on me that was explained entirely by posts I had made, unvoted when I helpfully quoted from my ISO, and has declined to acknowledge that I've asked him to discuss the matter. Just like pretending the issue doesn't exist and hoping it will go away on its own?

i saw stuff that pinged me

you replied with stuff that explained it

it was good enough for me

i unvoted

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I'm townreading skitter and RC based on their 1v1

more specifically that skitter is taking the 1v1 instead of trying to get underneath it, which would be scum indicating to me
and I can see RC attempting to sort this game out

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I really don't like Bella here.

5 posts in the game:

-opens with a scumread and vote on RCE, makes a statement on xtoxm's opening that is scumreading it? not sure
-next post now it likes RCE? doesn't really feel like sorting
-votes skitter because?
-makes a vague statement on skitter that is fencesitting wrt skitter in #610

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then switches to math leaving previous scumreads for what they are...

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VOTE: bella

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just vig him 4head
reeks of scum saving an easy lynch for later
how often do you get vigs in a mini normal

wat

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So that was an amount to read. I read half the forum yesterday and the rest today and I'll just say what thoughts have popped into my dome from this experience.

From the whole Maths v RC situation it seems at the very least that they aren't svs. The constant bickering is way too much to be fabricated in my humble opinion. Still, the sudden TR of RC by Math was odd and ellicited a ping or two. I can definitely see the LAMIST accusations at Math too, will need to do another big look over to nail where I land on them at this stage in the game.

Now to the RC v Skitters debacle, Skitters had initially pinged me as Scum which was bolstered in the if Math is Scum so is RC chain of reasoning. However, the way that Skitters had reacted did not seem Scum constructed to get out of trying to spread faulty logic and more of a genuine emotional reaction in the way it played out which more or less flipped my read on its head.

Ari is a big SR for me, for the usual reasons, the Maths pocket attempt was not cool.

UNVOTE:

Gonna be disappearing for a decent portion of the day, should hopefully be able to show up in the evening.

VOTE: Ari I see the mistake and am fixing it post haste. I was gonna do that when I returned in the evening, with some more substance, which I see was a bad move.

Plum, this wasn't really an attempt at scumhunting, The post was just to show I was alive and had read the thread. I can't see what you mean by buddying with Ari.

Maths, I don't think I've said enough yet to count as agreeing with you too much. The only part from what I've written that I've seen you agree with is the last part.

flopz, if you say it wasn't meant as scumhunting, why did you feel the need to make it look like you scumhunting? why not just pop in and say you are reviewing everything?

this makes me feel like you are very worried about how your slot is perceived here, moreso then any townie would really be concerned about

also 'Ari is a big SR to me' without voting there isn't town thinking

VOTE: flopz

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skitter i'm not intentionally ignoring you

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yeah i feel like he's purposefully avoiding engaging me/the game at this point

not true

anyone have strong feelings on this
ico it feels like you've compiled a list of things which ~look~ bad about plum but i don't feel really compelled to believe that these make you think she's scum

Oh
Yeah

This is kinda basically what i was thinking too
It kinda felt like he saw plum was a thing so he decided to join it and come up with reasons why

And i didnt like that he started his entrance calling my plum vote yuck, and then voted/cased her without really getting back to why he didnt like mine

skitter wanna talk about this?

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@Skitter, if you wanna talk to me about anything specifically, let me know. I have little interest in putting effort right now figuring out what it is you really want to figure out.

We share scumreads in Bella/Flopz, so if you think it's literally (Bella/flopz/Ico), then just be happy i'm bussing my entire team

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my vote is

L-2

btw, I think

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this reads like Ico/Flopz scumteam.

couldn't decide between



or

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lynching a new sub in with only 4 posts is insanely anti-town. period.

also I want to contribute more before I die.

i think you overestimate your chances of being *the* NK tho?

it creates a ton of wifom

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okay

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are you okay with me bussing my teammates then?

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ico you have literally seen me be the nightkill target without exception in all the games we'd be together in. where do you get off saying stuff like I'm trying to create wifom

i'm not saying you are actively trying to create wifom, but you do generate it by your statement which is a fact

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do you think i'm scum together with flopz and bella?

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like, the 2 slots that i've mostly focused on these last couple days?

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i'm not scum, i'm not bussing

just trying to figure out the game like a good town

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i'm not scum, i'm not bussing

just trying to figure out the game like a good town

This feels staged.

no u

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how do you get from there to feeling the need to question me saying i'm gonna be the nightkill when i literally did nothing in a game with essentially outed prs and multiple obvtown and still ate the n1 kill

what does scum!ico have to gain by doing/saying this?

town!ico just says whatever he thinks of...

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you're also like

way different than you were in any town game i've ever seen you

notably i haven't looked up scum meta for you yet, i'm going to do that right now

i've had a couple recent scumgames that you could look at

Ali V Pine and another one that I cant remember from the top of my head and a smaller one, partnered with emps

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i think you're discrediting the idea that i'm the obvious nightkill because you want to make sure that I'm not protected

or, hold your breath, I...

genuinly think you are overstating your odds of being NK'd, despite me 'having to know' that town!RC usually gets offed early on as a fearkill or whatever

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I think all of RC/Math/tw/Ari/skitter (if town) are players that scumteam are going to be wanting to 'fearkill', and I don't think you stand out high over anyone else on that list

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ok bro

i'm sorry you feel that way

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i don't really see ari as scum

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would lynch in xtoxm/bella/flopz all before ari

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I know you know ari a LOT better then I do, but does that fuck all attitude doesn't read like it comes from scum

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*that fuck all attitude doesn't read like it comes from scum

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bella's not scum

xtoxm is extremely lhf but ok

my main concern right now is that basicly all of my scumreads are lhf/very low post counts

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my main concern right now is that basicly all of my scumreads are lhf/very low post counts

desu chan

eh?

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u heard me u fkin weeb

Lesser version of a weeaboo. Watches CGDCT anime, may or may not have a body pillow/waifu, usually browses r/animemes. Whatever you do, don't call them a fucking weeb; it only makes them more powerful.

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dude i'm spending more time googling what you are saying then anything else here fml

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44 pages into D1, I wouldn't mind pushing flopz to a claim

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Other then my own slot

Why is teacher so high? I don't scumread that slot, but it hasn't really done anything to justify being top townread?
We disagree on Bella.
Haven't really looked into Tris

I'd place Math higher

The rest is about fine?

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also not really seeing anything that puts TW under null personally

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but i'm not seeing the opposite either, which is probably the exact reason why he's there in your list

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Ico "wOuLd ScUm!IcO dO tHiIiIiS" (kinda think he's slightly above null tbh but it's kinda funny)

gotta have the classics, amiright

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i'm more interested in that high teacher townread tbh

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worst, I don't really understand your reasons for being a bit salty about that 'nsg scumread' on you. RC slot puts you just below null, which I think town!you would be expecting to be put. It's also the important thing here, not what RC team thinks of you behind the scenes.

Do you think you should be townread right now?

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slow down, duck

I think RC is giving you every opportunity here, even saying smt like 'just take the day 1 off'
There's no disrespect

I'm reading you like you are frustrated about stuff (game related or not), and it's having it's toll on your tone this game. A tone that doesn't scream town!duck.

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He just doesn't take crap from people using 2d reasoning when they're more than capable of better.

Ok. I think specifically the 'not townreading skitter' part of what has been said by RC (nsg) was a good reason tho. Call me 2d for that if you like.

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hi skitter

i'm here

wanna talk about stuff

before you say that i am dodging you again

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Ico should explain his progression on me, it is not a good look that he made a case on me that was explained entirely by posts I had made, unvoted when I helpfully quoted from my ISO, and has declined to acknowledge that I've asked him to discuss the matter. Just like pretending the issue doesn't exist and hoping it will go away on its own?

i saw stuff that pinged me

you replied with stuff that explained it

it was good enough for me

i unvoted

@skitter, would this answer you?

if you want me to into 'stuff' details, I could. If you wanted to.

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Tbf i do think you should have been townreading me earlier than you did

other then your scumread on me, our scumreads are about the same, and I already mentioned what you quoted here just now. So if I'm scum, what's my play here?

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I quoted that specifically to mention that I also already had that thought, and posted it

I believe I also posted my read on you already, lemme look it back up

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I'm townreading skitter and RC based on their 1v1

more specifically that skitter is taking the 1v1 instead of trying to get underneath it, which would be scum indicating to me
and I can see RC attempting to sort this game out

here

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honestly that last post made me reconsider my teacher townread

i'm really not following your teacher trajectory

but i'm a dragon what do I know

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Bella v floppie

could have worse opposite wagons

I'm not a fan of deflating flopz wagon before pushing to a claim there

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Alright lads, new year ergo new me. I'm getting REAL annoyed at all these players jumping down on me just because I'm not good at this game. RadisntCowbells (what kind of name even is that?) and teacher implying I'm scum.

What a load of horseshit!

Back off NOW and stop scumreading me for shitty reasons. All I was doing was saying I'm involving myself in the game and all I got in return was attack after bloody attack. How am I supposed to even breathe at this point?!?!?

I joined as a personal favour to Hectic but nobody told me it was going to be like this. I thought this was supposed to be a fun game wiht intersesting debates where everyone was supposed to critique the arguments and not belittle everyone's character but this was completely different to that. Who'd want their first game to be filled with such utter tripe? I expected better from such

VETERANS

. If Team Mafia is supposed to be representative of the site as a whole, the mods should be clamping down on this toxicity and personal attacks. Aggressiveness and enthusiasm are absolutely fine, attacks and toxicity are beyond the pale.

Just look at 154, how is that even allowed?

My Team has already lost the game at this point so this is just a slog for slogging's sake. Hopkirk spent fucking eages ranting about this shit on this discord about how it's now literally impossible for us to win no matter what we fucking do. We've spent more time arguing about that then I have even spent in this terrible game. We've already got a modkill on D1 which has killed much of my enthusiam for Team Mafia and all this bullshittery going on is not fucking helping anything.

instead of quoting the one post this game has had that went into toxic territory (but it actually isn't toxic at all), I don't know what game you've been reading.

There's a lot of discussion out there about WHY you are potentially scum, but you seem to be ignorting this because? If you think you can hide behind calling this game and it's players toxic, you are sadly mistaken.

If you want debates, how about you start adressing the posts that call you scum? Or make actual contributions to the game? Because you called your previous posts 'not scumhunting' yourself.

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So that was an amount to read. I read half the forum yesterday and the rest today and I'll just say what thoughts have popped into my dome from this experience.

From the whole Maths v RC situation it seems at the very least that they aren't svs. The constant bickering is way too much to be fabricated in my humble opinion. Still, the sudden TR of RC by Math was odd and ellicited a ping or two. I can definitely see the LAMIST accusations at Math too, will need to do another big look over to nail where I land on them at this stage in the game.

Now to the RC v Skitters debacle, Skitters had initially pinged me as Scum which was bolstered in the if Math is Scum so is RC chain of reasoning. However, the way that Skitters had reacted did not seem Scum constructed to get out of trying to spread faulty logic and more of a genuine emotional reaction in the way it played out which more or less flipped my read on its head.

Ari is a big SR for me, for the usual reasons, the Maths pocket attempt was not cool.

UNVOTE:

Gonna be disappearing for a decent portion of the day, should hopefully be able to show up in the evening.

VOTE: Ari I see the mistake and am fixing it post haste. I was gonna do that when I returned in the evening, with some more substance, which I see was a bad move.

Plum, this wasn't really an attempt at scumhunting, The post was just to show I was alive and had read the thread. I can't see what you mean by buddying with Ari.

Maths, I don't think I've said enough yet to count as agreeing with you too much. The only part from what I've written that I've seen you agree with is the last part.

flopz, if you say it wasn't meant as scumhunting, why did you feel the need to make it look like you scumhunting? why not just pop in and say you are reviewing everything?

this makes me feel like you are very worried about how your slot is perceived here, moreso then any townie would really be concerned about

also 'Ari is a big SR to me' without voting there isn't town thinking

VOTE: flopz

here, respond to this for instance

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@flopz, you seem disgusted by the fact you are being scumread right now.

Do you think there are any good reasons for us to be townreading you?

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50 bucks says floppie hasn't actually read past that mathblade post yet

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i take that back lol i'm being silly again

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what the f is going on here

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i wish datisi was here to translate for me

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@flopz, you seem disgusted by the fact you are being scumread right now.

Do you think there are any good reasons for us to be townreading you?

I haven't done enough for anything to go either way which is why i'm so exhasperated for the calls for my head when all I've done is drop in and say hi.

i just quoted you why i'm scumreading you

it has nothing to do with pre-game but everything with what you wrote

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Spoiler:

I haven't done enough for anything to go either way

I was scumread before even joining the game, what am i supposed to do about that?

dude stop the toxicity i beg you

i can't handle it

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Spoiler:

I haven't done enough for anything to go either way

I was scumread before even joining the game, what am i supposed to do about that?

i can't handle it

RC isn't the problem.

oooooooh

sorry

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goddamnit

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VOTE: xtoxm

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@flopz, you seem disgusted by the fact you are being scumread right now.

Do you think there are any good reasons for us to be townreading you?

I haven't done enough for anything to go either way which is why i'm so exhasperated for the calls for my head when all I've done is drop in and say hi.

meh this is kinda townie, actually

I strongly disagree with this

Flopz literally did not just drop in and say hi to begin with
If that's what flopz did I'd be ok with it

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i'm here if you want to talk bella

I also hard scumread flopz

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not really

I'm going with the flow a bit, I don't have enough strenght to push this game in the direction I want, which is Floppy. There's a strong scumread on him in my head, but I've also already largely written that out in here but nobody seems interested yet.

Watching closely to see how this is playing out wrt Tris, on which I don't really have a read rn.

I'm considering this to be a chill game despite some players trying to prove otherwise, and I'm quite happy with having a few good townreads and a few good scumreads rn. There's nothing I can do to force the low-content scumreads to post more, so yeah.

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I unvoted flopz because he was annoyed at stuff

Gave it some room to post when feeling a bit more comfortable, but I did not like the next catchup post at all

Also disliking how Flopz is diminishing it's opening post to 'I only said hi, and I wasn't scumhunting'

I'm not sure if my vote on flopz right now accomplishes that much

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Bad rc, I stopped being mislynch bait today.

Ceph says Ari is scum (klick agrees), that plum is just good at talking so I should be more cautious there, that math is 'crazy pants and unreadable' (I'm leaving this til like, day three, lol) and that ico is town BC he's bad at scum and it would've been obv by now.

Actually, I think the strongest part of my scumgame is my D1-2. I end up struggling later on most of the time.
Did they provide any explanation to Ari!scum reads that might help?

I'm fully caught up, and I see Ari being called scum, but I've not seen a case on him?

So how about them Saints?

I hear they have more free time to find more scum.

VOTE: Xtom

do you think xtoxm is scum?
i'm like, assertively null on him aorn

I like that xtom vote from Math

Spoiler: druidic gremlin

Vote Count 1.11

tris

(3): Aristophanes, skitter30, Plum

Xtoxm

(3): Iconeum, teacher, MathBlade

Flopz

(2): RCEnigma, Bellaphant

Aristophanes

(2): Flopz, RadiantCowbells

RadiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm, the worst

MathBlade

(1): tris

Not voting (0):

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to two weeks from day start, in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Tris wagon is meh?
Xtoxm wagon could use more votes
Flopz definitely needs more votes maybe I'm more usefull here
Ari is ehhhhhh, with flopz on it. I'll reread RC to see if he provided actual reasoning on Ari being scum?
RC votes are bleh
Tris being on mathblade is also ehhh

VOTE: ico

bella has seen da wae
can you see da wae?

Hey...Juicy theory

RC+TW = SvS

I had reasons.

Alright. I WILL be able to fully catch up a few hours from now. In the meantime does anyone have anything they want to say to me right now?

Have a drink while you read. It’s painful.

Would want your opinion on if RC+TW = SvS

wait ur serious about this?

wow

duckling is fine giving ari more time

then ari comes in and posts some super fake stuff

who knew

I don't see why anyone should NOT be giving Ari more time? Is your read on him set in stone?
RC if you think Ari's read on flopz is faked, why don't you think my flopz read is faked too?

I don't consider this a moral obligation btw:
I think that really it's on you and Duck to accept you can't put the time in to win this by force and you haven't been towny enough to skate past D1 so you lose, if my read of the overall situation is correct.
But I'm going to do it anyway because... not really sure why, but I'm sure doing it.

Here it is again.
The rare qualifier from Raybells.

You used this in the one scum if statement I mentioned in my ramble.

This likely means that you think the worst is going to win and be townie enough to skate past day one.

Because...you’re scum with the worst.

WAIT UR ACTUALLY SERIOUS ABOUT THAT SCUMTEAM?

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Not in a million billion gazillion years will I accept/believe that scum!duck will PURPOSEFULLY create this kind of gamestate with scum!RC

even for TM

ever

wtf

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HOW DO YOU HAVE 600+ POSTS ALREADY

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Yes I am serious about it. It matches Raybells to a T and the worst isn’t a leader type.

It also explains why (assuming Ari scum) that Raybells was able to read Ari as scum and couldn’t really explain it. He just knew and got impatient.

I think the worst is a leader type when he feels like it. I also know that he isn't a type that will ever agree to creating this kind of toxicity, as any allignment. Implying they are S/S implies they CHOSE to argue like that. No.

If they are bussing Ari, who are we to stop them?

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i'll just let you guys do you and see what happens there

meanwhile i'll vote actual scum

VOTE: flopz

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This probs isn't surprising given my current input but I think it says more about RC than flopz. Flopz is p close to null, he needs to calm down and try playing again imo

I think scum!flopz got caught pants down with his initial post, tried to downplay it by saying that post was just an extended 'hi wassup' and didn't want to justify his *actual* scumread(s) in that post by saying that post was not him scumhunting despite it clearly being so.

Him saying he got scumread prior to even posting is just not true (at least not on my account). Then in his ketchup he didn't (want to?) respond to why I was scumreading him, ignoring my post about it.

His frustration with being scumread can easily come from scum. Would like to pressure there and see what he does.

[Iconeum]

I think math is town

[Iconeum]

loving the flavour, @implo

[Iconeum]

(i literally spent 10 minutes looking for a mouse in that giraffe picture)

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Like you guys don't even have the slightest amount of respect for my reads to want to be forcing Duckling to take a concrete stance on Ari, really?

But whatever. I don't want to play this game in a way that encourages Ari's teammates to again tell him to be here when he can't but this Flopz wagon is bad and y'all should feel bad.

k thx bye

[Iconeum]

RC: 'yall have no respect for my reads'

also RC: 'your reads suck and should feel bad about them'

[Iconeum]

RC are you actively trying to get rid of my townread on you?

[Iconeum]

You have no idea how painful it is to be playing town and have all my contributions asterisked because *I cOuLd Be FaKiNg ThIs As ScUm* when if I was anyone who even slightly towncleared themselves with stuff they posted my slots alignment wouldn't be in question

are you even serious right now

ANY (town)player who is taking your reads as the holy bible at this point isn't doing their job properly

Here's a hot take for you

You could actually be faking all of this as scum

That's a fact for YOU

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Nothing I'm saying here should hurt a townread on me.

If it does you should seriously reconsider how you generate reads because you can dislike what I'm saying but you should never ever scumread it.

This statement is explicitely untrue.

You are now shading the worst's slot by diminishing what it is saying about you. You keep hammering on how he's policy lynch pushing you, while that has clearly only been a smaller part in a whole. For instance

You think I should ignore that and this should not have an impact of my read on you? Get real plz.

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What you're really saying when you say I don't need to check myself on any point is that I'm telling the truth

what it means is you're hypertunnelling and not checking yourself at any point; which means you're either so pissed off as town that you're functionally pushing an agenda or you're scum pushing an agenda.

like the rest of that post is the kind of town meta which means either:
- you're town, or
- you're scum who is aware he can use this as a defence

and i don't think either is outside your town or scum range so

i'm just not going to bother going down the rabbit hole

it's all like, really clearly pushing ~an agenda~ but you're treating me with just enough negligence that you don't need to slow down and check yourself on any point

like fmpov you're getting scummier every time you post

my claimed belief is that i don't give a stuff if you're bussing or not, aorn. my claimed belief is that i don't have a firm read on ari and i do have a firm scumread on you. ergo, am voting you.

i reevaluated my reads because my reads changed
i didn't frame them in a way that was townreadable; you yourself have acknowledged that

i'm pushing you as a scumread. which i've stated on several occasions. you're now both spamming and blatantly misrepresenting me lol. like you're desperately trying to make yourself more policy lynchable.

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RC, i'll say this in my own words:

I think you are being unreasonable and unfair here. You should be expecting everyone to challenge-question your reads, not have them blindly follow you to either the holy land or off a cliff.

You are very clear about your thoughts, and if Ari flips scum or you flip town, a LOT of information will be given to town.
Information that is currently not there.

Keep working on solving this game. You have your top scumread (Ari) on L2 or something, so stop complaining that nobody is listening to you.

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Literally

All that is in that post is him claiming it's a real scumread and using the word agenda 3 times without actually pointing out any instances of me pushing an agenda. For example he first concretely accused me of agenda pushing by pointing out the similarities between what Ari was complaining about and what Duck claimed to be complaining about and given I have never in my life seen Ari make that kind of complaint, I said it was prolly scum-scum. Duck handwaved that and said because it's true there's a lot of posts it is objectively true and I am agenda pushing. Even though this is the median lengthed game.

I'm not saying that I agree with the duck's push on you

but it's definitely more then policy, even if it's untrue/faked/frustration push

you diminishing that to 'why u policy lynch me' doesn't help

I'm done about this subject now btw

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You're not making an effort to understand how I feel and why I'm so frustrated here if you think that just Ari being at L2 resolves my problem with the game.

I think I'm making more effort then most, actually. And seriously, the problem here isn't us understanding you. It's the other way around.

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oh ok

VOTE: ari

i'm just gonna start sheeping your reads for as long as I can

shutting down my own thoughts as you require

also that's like

L-1

or smt

maybe it's a lynch

who knows

ari is scum anyways right

[Iconeum]

oh no no no

i was trying to be reasonable with you

that didn't work

now i'll be unreasonable with you

[Iconeum]

Mathblade is town btw, in case that wasnt blindingly obvious ^

why am i in your scumpool

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whoo 2000 post-day1

yeah

whoo


also i had a bunch of stuff quoted and ready to be answered but I don't think they'll add that much

UNVOTE:

I'm here for the next hours and after that I have

@mod Weekend VLA

[Iconeum]

got prodded, apparently weekend VLA is not a thing :s

[Iconeum]

whattup?

[Iconeum]

i left on smt like page 83 ish lol

these 40 pages better be worth it

[Iconeum]

whattup?

RC + TW went nuclear
Derailed my Ari lynch that had majority if not all town.

Teacher has some questions for you

couldn't really find anything that looked like a question, other then a reaction from me but that would require me catching up and i've got a feeling it won't be pretty lol

@teacher if there's anything in particular you wanna talk about, shoot

I left this game with floppy on my mind, wanting to push there to see if he had a terrible town opening, or if it's actually just scum
Was watching the duck v seas, with no real read on what's going on there other then laughing at Mathblade for saying that was scum v scum

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wrt to Ari, I haven't seen anything to sort him over. RC looked dead-set on his Ari scum read, but I don't really see it. Not that he's town to me, either. I don't think he's done anything yet this game.

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as for my actual townreads I thought I posted those before I left need to check

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oh right, skitter

I was/am disliking the scumread of skitter on my slot because it doesn't look to make sense
Our reads were literally the same at one point, I asked skitter to look at that and it just went 'yeah VOTE ICO'

If it weren't for that part, I'd be townreading her.
I also think RC is very much town
Math as well

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as for TW, I don't know

He's a very hard read for me, and how he's treated my slot has been very fair but i'm paranoid that it's pockety

Since a certain record game in newbie queue I get that feeling when I'm townread early on lol
That's not to say that if anyone can read me this early it would be him so yeah

I don't really dislike ducky slot either

[Iconeum]

oh still close to 4 days left
i thought we were closer to deadline

have there been any claims recently?

[Iconeum]

or other important events over the weekend?

I'll read everything, but might go over it rather quickly

[Iconeum]

hey the worst

hope all is well

Why do you think Ari unvoted, and not voted somewhere else (like one of his scumreads?)

[Iconeum]

i doubt scum!RC burns up his credit for your mislynch, duck?

[Iconeum]

Oh you meant Ari not me
#3020 still applies just less enthusiastically

@Ico indeed I don't think Ari has his reads sorted properly yet

so why does Ari not vote any of his (4 I think it was) scumleans?

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Ok, somehow there's 20 pages (I haven't read) that have popped up in the last like 9/10 hours and I'm V/LA during the next couple days. I'm fine with the votes going to the duck so will oblige before vanishing. VOTE: The Worst

PG13

approved gif for my feelings rn:

PG18

approved gif for my feelings rn:

Spoiler:

[Iconeum]

can we

please

lynch the floppy today

just seriously right now

[Iconeum]

they returned your scumhunting with a defect.

ur calling that scumhunting?

[Iconeum]

all of us like ari's current posting for town.

I will emerge from deep within my hidden bunker just to join in on saying how utterly ridiculous that is. I will slink back down into the depths until need be. To quote the most loved and respected slot in this game "bad duck, no breadcrumbs for you."

VOTE: flopz

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I want flopz out of the way today rather then tomorrow

If anyone is townreading that slot, I want to know why

Otherwise I see no reason to lynch the worst over floppy, other then to please RC

[Iconeum]

the laws of lolconeum dictate that flopz is near guilty levels of scum btw

IKNOWRIGHT

[Iconeum]

Are you guys seeing this?

The light... is fading

Darkness beginning to surround me...

I think

Yes

It might be

No it is

TUNNELTIME

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If the worst turns out to be scum ya'll can sue me later for (trying to) derail his lynch

But i'm not letting flopz lose here

[Iconeum]

I feel you're kinda.. offput? or something by him but your scumread on him sucks. you can't explain it because he's really obviously town. fix tunnel asap please.

is this part also @skitter or @ico?

[Iconeum]

also scum!coneum will try everything in his power to get rid of someone like the worst on D1 lol (unless S/S obviously?)

soulread something something

[Iconeum]

Hot (like in dragonfire hot) take:

Lynching the worst (if he flips town), will lead straight to the lynching of RC, who will probably also flip town. This is the easiest and quickest path to a scum victory, taking out 2 of (what i consider) the strongest players in the game.

I feel like lynching either on D1 comes from fear of what they might do to town if let alive, something I'm feeling myself. But I can't justify a lynch on either of them based on fear.

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also scum!coneum will try everything in his power to get rid of someone like the worst on D1 lol (unless S/S obviously?)

soulread something something

You know despite you being aware of this
After I've correctly scumcased you twice in a row lategame I'm prepared to accept that it would still be more trouble than its worth trying to save me when you could just prodge.

You also know that when I'm actually motivated and invested, I don't easily relent on my own thoughts tho.

[Iconeum]

I would have been somewhat OK with the worst being lynched prior to flopz voting there

It gives a ton of information about half the game (RC), and potentially solves half of the game as well (RC reads). That's not something to sneeze at.

But flopz voting there is so disgusting that I'm willing to stand up for the worst here lol

[Iconeum]

gonna be honest, haven't started reading those 40+ pages yet

but who in this game is AGAINST lynching the duck today? Or has openly spoken against his lynch?

[Iconeum]

Can I offer you some Floppy?

[Iconeum]

ehhhh

I'll do Ari over teh cuck tho

[Iconeum]

holy sweet mother of typos

[Iconeum]

Only this is pretty much RC to the heart. If you (we in general) lynch him here for causing chaos, then we'd have to do that every single game he's in. Because this is RC. He does this.

And I'm not fully convinced you actually scumread him.

[Iconeum]

hah

I'm also interested in what ari pointed out there…

But more specifically why he didn't say anything other then 'interesting'

[Iconeum]

Spoiler:

Like fuck asking explicitly for reads

I know Auro read and you claim Nancypants read

And you're claiming that neither of them expressed a single read???

Like not for you to give us explicitly, like should at least have like been Hmm I think x is town or y is scum

Him not even bringing up his reads but pressuring you to post in the game for the team is insane as town tbh. Like why read your game and end up with 0 reads???

Lol yeah.

Nancy also has been reading by Ari’s own posts.

The fact she hasn’t had an opinion whether she can or can’t read me is baaaaaad.

he's not a fucking town investigative
he knows he isn't getting lynched and wants an excuse not to get nk'd

Literally the worst logic:::::

RC claimed investigative... because he wanted an excuse to not get NKed

Let me repeat that.

RC claimed investigative because he wanted an excuse to not get NKed.

And, uh, this isn't the D1 Lynch? How?

literally the entirety of cancel food thinks you are scum and wants you dead lmfao

Caught up to page 93 ish

Posts of interest in the spoiler

I'm actually fine lynching Ari
If that flips scum, TW is next

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Especially the worst's last post in that spoiler really bothers me

[Iconeum]

VOTE: Ari

[Iconeum]

gonna be honest, haven't started reading those 40+ pages yet

but who in this game is AGAINST lynching the duck today? Or has openly spoken against his lynch?

hi

Lynch Ari?

[Iconeum]

I mean, I know bussing is anti-wincon for you but can you help out?

[Iconeum]

Xtoxm hasn't expressed a single read, hasn't had a single reaction to ANY of this game's events, and is still voting RC from back in RVS

How are you town here?

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I am dealing with Car Stuff

I know everyone is likely pissed at RC but please don’t turbo lynch him while I am getting my car. Thanks!

Whoever is a doc/jailkeep/etc thanks for saving someone. You probably have a guilty or inno.

Back later peoples.

Gut says Ari+Plum+Deep wolf like maybe skitter?

I have thoughts on skitter that I want to fully write out
Remind me that I do, if I don't. Or something

Hey Ari you had two nights to catch up. Reads or die.

Uh, I read almost everyone's Isos and was heavily active upon my return to the thread. What gives you the impression I need to/plan to read the parts of the thread where you played ref to RC and TW bickering on while trying to lynch me?

Also, RC, I told you Ducks was town!
I sooooo want to turbolynch your ass atm but I still townread you so Im going to refrain.

'I want to lynch you so hard right now, but I townread you'. My dude. Are you just scum here?

"Objectively didn't suck"
...

VOTE: tw

Quack

How exactly did this save his iso? XD

Like wtf Bella

This isn't wrong lol

I do not think that reading people off of the TW votes is a good idea unless you think that scum were trying to keep Aristophanes alive.
Also someone mentioned this so I'll bring it up: the reason I targeted Teacher was that I thought that he was likely to make the kill if he was scum whereas most other targets were crapshoots.

um there is almost for sure scum on that wagon irregardless of your alignment

if you're scum, well, it's you
if you're town scum took advantage of that shitshow to get a mislynch. i would be shocked if there weren't scum on that wagon in this scenario
i think that looking at the wagon is a great place to look for scum rn

I agree with this. Scum are pretty much guaranteed on this wagon. There's a couple really disgusting votes on it, including Flopz IIRC.

i think i'm the nk most times last night

What?

i think i'm the nk most times last night

Funny I was thinking I would be. Interesting.

Assume Plum + Ari and not RC? Who’s third? Any thoughts?

I think Math is more likely to be saved then skitter. If anything, Math was pretty much Uni-townread by the end of D1?
SubOptimal Math thinks that RC could be scum here.

We should 100% vote who RC did not want us to vote yesterday and the fact a majority of town scumreads Ari is a bonus.


We should 100% vote who RC did not want us to vote yesterday and the fact a majority of town scumreads Ari is a bonus.

dude.

i led the original ari wagon

i literally had him at l-1 then got scared bc nsg wasn't sure he was scum

You mean the Ari wagon that you derailed before it got to a claim/lynch? That wagon?
RC, give me 1 solid reason not to go ham on your ass and follow thru on duck's last quack here.

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I hate hate hate Ari tonally but I'm not sure if he actually posts things that are likely to come from scum.
It's especially annoying because like, the other people I think have decent scum equity all have awful associatives with him
Plum was trying to pin Flopz as scum with Ari specifically and skipped voting Ari to vote TW at EOD, so did Tris, and they as a set of 3 make so much sense
but yeah yikes.

alsolol

In here is a major reason for me not to start tunneling Flopz. If I read the duck correctly, he thought that Flopz was a mislynch bait, which is the perfect spot for a scum!Plum to be pushing.

I'd be down with a Plum wagon or an Ari wagon right now.

[Iconeum]

RC what's your current read on me?

[Iconeum]

all of us like ari's current posting for town.

I will emerge from deep within my hidden bunker just to join in on saying how utterly ridiculous that is. I will slink back down into the depths until need be. To quote the most loved and respected slot in this game "bad duck, no breadcrumbs for you."

Hey got any reads?

While I have been "reading along", there's been so much just stuff that it's hard to parse it all. I haven't finished my reads on half the players tbh, the only people I've gone through all of their ISO's are the ones I talked about in my singular post of actual content.

What I would say is that I would vote for the duck and Ari no problem without looking back

.

If you’re not voting Ari people please vote Ari. Thank you!

What's he on "L"-wise?

No idea. I just know this shit needs to end and there hasn’t been a vote count in a while.

Pretty sure I have 4-5 votes on me.

7 to lynch.

Yh, that's what I was asking thanks. VOTE: Ari

Ok, somehow there's 20 pages (I haven't read) that have popped up in the last like 9/10 hours and I'm V/LA during the next couple days. I'm fine with the votes going to the duck so will oblige before vanishing. VOTE: The Worst

@Flopz, I want you to specifically spit out WHY you were OK with voting either of Ari/TW at that time.
You were fine voting either 'without looking back'. I want your thoughts on why.

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mathb, you've been stellar this game. i can tell you've improved a lot. just please don't waste the d1 lynch on ari.

But he’s fucking scum.

Asking between RC/TW is probably SvS or TvT and like it just sucks.

If it’s SvS then the worst gets lynched every time and Raybells rides the cred,

If it’s TvT a lynch on lolcatting obvScum is gone

Like I get wanting to solve it but at what cost?

I really dont think they're the same alignment

Does this still stand, skitter? You think RC is confscum now or?

Like 25 pages sprung up overnight

The tw/rc/ari thint has been going on for like 70 pages now

This kinda needs to end

I think i'm changing my mind on ico, he's probably town

I think that a tw/rc/ari solve is kinda ridiculous, but there's at least one scum in tw/rc and we need a flip there imo

What prompted this sudden change of your game-long scumread on me?

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My wagon is a mix of radiantscumfuck, wolfy slots and a bunch of people who don't really think I'm scum but want the day over.

Anyone who thinks this hits red is deluded.

where the fuck are my teammates?

This might actually be the grossest mislynch I've seen in two years and I've seen some pretty dense mislynches. You are lynching a townie to try and fix the gamestate. I am clearly not the scumslot in this dichotomy and I am not the problem. EVEN AFTER SPAM POSTING MY THOUGHTS I STILL HAVE LESS THAN HALF HIS POSTS.

When I green:
- nobody touches math for the rest of the game.
- nobody touches rce for the rest of the game.
- nobody touches ico for the rest of the game.
- RC is lynched tomorrow. He autodies.
- I don't think RC was bussing Ari this phase but that's not for me to decide.

If anyone breaks from this path they are outright fucking gamethrowing.

µ

This was the duck's last quack btw. Just posting to remind everyone

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There's no point in lynching RC today, Math. I'd want to. But there's no point.

Either he's town PR, and he dies tonight. Or he's scum, and we lynch him tomorrow.

Do you think it's better to get rid of him today?

[Iconeum]

Part of me really wants to hold onto my earlier thoughts that RC/TW could actually be T/T.

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Part of me really wants to hold onto my earlier thoughts that RC/TW could actually be T/T.

The main problem is it could be I just am losing the desire to care.

RC is such an impediment to cohesion and getting shit done we should have done yesterday that I just can’t care anymore. If he’s town tough shit he should not get in the way of town.

This isn't just a game that I/you/anyone should be losing desire to care about. It's Team Mafia. Bite thru the rough part. I know it's not an easy task, but despite RC being center of gravity I think we can do this.

We need to sort a couple slots: Ari/Plum/Flopz. Skitter as well. I really didn't like the way she turned her scumread upside down on me, basicly because she was being deadlocked by TW in doing so.

Flopz's votes on Ari and TW were disgusting, and it makes me hold back on an Ari scumread. I have the same thoughts about him as I had yesterday: Completely null.

Plum needs to be sorted to give the actual good players in this game a chance at sorting/winning this shit for me

[Iconeum]

I would love to be able to leave him until tomorrow but he is consistently fucking with Skitter and other people to start a wagon that is completely antitown.

I don't agree that Plum is an anti-town wagon at this point? Why do you think so?

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honestly i really need to go to sleep and i don't think i can process figuring it out if voting you is a good idea when you post things like that and i'm this tired

so i'm gonna bounce

pedit ari got up to l-1 and if i recall correctly there was at least one intent (mabye not explicit intent but iirc most people were ok with his lynch just then)
and then rc like hard-reversed and the thing dropped

and i think that between {ari/rc} ari flips usually before rc so he wouldn't tie himself that atrociously to a bizarre ari flip that could be revisited because he'd riled up so much fervor for it and then not carried it through

The hard drop and then refusing to pursue it is too much a problem. We lynch Ari or RC today. Because I am not going to let RC manipulate us into anything else.

So scum!RC with scum!Ari doesn't make much sense based on asso's. Scum!RC with town!ari doesn't make much sense because scum!RC would just lynch Ari and be done with it? Onto D2 and another attempt at mislynch?

Or is it actually town!RC that engaged with Ari and came to a town!Ari conclusion? I think this option exists.

[Iconeum]

Also flopz is kinda low-balling, but he made a couple REALLY scummy posts that people seem to be ignoring because of his low-game presence. I'd like to change that and have him be responsible for his votes/reads before this day ends.

[Iconeum]

Gonna be honest here, I don't think scum!RC playes around my slot like he did at the end of D1.

He started scumreading me based on associative with 'obvscum TW', and if he is scum he knew that duck would flip town. That puts him in a bad spot to persue an Ico scumread later in the game, something that scum!RC is always gonna have in the back of his mind.
It actually felt like a natural associative read, on a dragon slot that was trying to derail 'his' wagon.

Unless RC goes full berserk again, I see no reason to lynch him today (sorry ducky). If RC goes anti-town, we lynch him.
But I think it's a bad D2 lynch.

If he's around on D3 we can consider his lynch, because of his claim and all. I'm sure that's reasonable to all parties, barring RC

[Iconeum]

I mean, Ari/Tris/Plum isn't that terrible of a solve at the time

[Iconeum]

But there's scumteams like (Flopz/teacher/Plum) for instance that are being handed the game right now

[Iconeum]

Spoiler: eulogy for a glass trombonist

Vote Count 1.23 (FINAL)

the worst

(7): tris, skitter30, RadiantCowbells, Plum, MathBlade, Flopz, teacher

Aristophanes

(2): Bellaphant, Iconeum

RadiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm, the worst

Plum

(1): RCEnigma

Not voting (1): Aristophanes

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to two weeks from day start, in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Why not lynch Ari today? The dude didn't even vote at the end of D1.

[Iconeum]

Math, if you had the power to lynch a player on the spot that could potentially solve the game for you. Who'd you lynch?

[Iconeum]

Then let's focus there. Even your team basicly says that RC is a policy lynch if I'm reading that right. I have a bad feeling about RC lynch. He also claimed a PR. We revisit him if he's alive D3.

What do you think of Floppy?

[Iconeum]

Don't let RC take away your focus lol.

VOTE: Ari

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VOTE: Ari

Ducky if RC attempts to stop this again you will have your steak.

I'm not gonna hard defend against an RC lynch the entire day. If RC goes anti-town I'm not gonna stop his lynch. He works with the town block or he dies.

Which brings me to said townblock:

Ico/Math/RCE/Bella

Anyone wanna add someone?

[Iconeum]

And what is your own take on the RC slot, Ethos?

[Iconeum]

I have no clue why I called you Ethos, lol

[Iconeum]

Then you think RC is scum with Ari, right?

[Iconeum]

[Iconeum]

scum!RC doesn't stake his game on a bet there's a vig in the game to justify his claim on D1?

He'd fakeclaim some shit like that on D2 seeing double kill maybe? But on D1?

[Iconeum]

My thought is that RC is only scum WITH Ari, and never scum!RC with town!Ari

Thus, Ari is the safer lynch over a claimed PR today. If that flips scum, we lynch RC tomorrow. If ari is town, then I think there's a case to be made on town!RC

[Iconeum]

This is your reminder that nobody has mentioned xtomx since start of D2.

that slot is definitely on my mind tho

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@Ico - you quoted ari on me, but not Bella or my reactions. Thoughts on that?

It was more jokingly then actually trying to push or shade you. Ari is lacking depth, and what he quoted was true in a funny looking manner to me, but I fully realize that what he quoted is only a part to a larger whole wrt to your reads. If I were to scumcase Ari myself, that would be part of it.

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Just reread Xtoxm (didn't take very long), but I did get a very free and spewy kind of tone read there. Need to fact check his 3401 tho.

[Iconeum]

ari was the only person to oppose the duck lynch in a significant way
he was also the proposed alternative lynch which is really low value for scum
+town equity

I like your post, but what's your thoughts on RC?

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Current reads scum TW+RC+Ari

These are all town and you are ridiculous.

Nancy was right about your reads being utter shite!

Actually I agree with this. I had the same thoughts on D1.

Aaaaanyway before I die...

Town: TW, RC, Math, Icon
Lean Town: Skitty, RCE
Null: XtoxLive, Bella
Lean Scum: Teacher, Flopz, Plum, Tris

These reads feel... warm and fuzzy. Personally I'd switch Bella with Skitter, and have Tris/Plum in a 'to sort' pile.

Jezus Math, can we talk about this? I don't scumread Ari

And in extension I still believe RC to be town. If you need pressure on Ari to sort him, I'll push him with you. But I feel a lot more comfortable in actually lynching in Tris/Plum/Flopz today then any other slot.

[Iconeum]

ari was the only person to oppose the duck lynch in a significant way
he was also the proposed alternative lynch which is really low value for scum
+town equity

I like your post, but what's your thoughts on RC?

Do you really like this? Because it's all bullshit. Lots of people wanted a different lynch than ducks. If he knew he wasn't going to get lynched BC of RC, it's easy town!points to oppose another wagon verbally without doing anything useful yourself - his vote was nowhere at day end.

I think you are town but really? That post sucked and I can't see what you liked.

What I liked? It doesn't help a scum agenda. It feels natural. It goes straight against 'general consensus/flow of the game'. Basicly it's a spicy take

Ok, somehow there's 20 pages (I haven't read) that have popped up in the last like 9/10 hours and I'm V/LA during the next couple days. I'm fine with the votes going to the duck so will oblige before vanishing. VOTE: The Worst

@Flopz, I want you to specifically spit out WHY you were OK with voting either of Ari/TW at that time.
You were fine voting either 'without looking back'. I want your thoughts on why.

I'm back and will try to be more accessible. I've already explained my case for voting Ari and that was only strenghtened through his activity during the voting period. The fact that he was offered reads by his team but didn't take them was odd and then his reads themselves were lacklustre. I had TW at around null since the start and then when the constant bickering with RC occured I preferred the duck over the seal. I wasn't a fan of the PL angle and it seemed like whenever he brought up a point about RC's other games, RC proved them all to be wrong. I also, wasn't a fan of him keeping Skitter open reads-wise as well as his TR of Ari.

Flopz is bumped up slightly for his recent posting.

I want to puke every time I open this thread and see a new player calling me scum with what I've done so far. I want out.

If I have to go before LyLo there's really no reason that shouldn't be today.

You don't have to go before LYLO. If scum want you to go, they'll have to NK you. Skitter is the deepwolf by my account.

What are the odds that Skitter/Aristophanes is a thing?

I think we all need to reevaluate this game

The gamestate really doesn't make sense

Something is wrong

Mmmhmm. More in this in my next post.

[Iconeum]

I can see a world where both Ari and RC are town, with scum in (flopz/teacher/skitter/plum/tris). Maaaaaybe xtoxm.

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@math, when you have the time, can you please look at this game with a fresh pair of eyes and an open mind?

I don't think RC/Ari makes a ton of sense. I think they are both town. RC/TW was ugly, but RC

did

gave the duck an opening prior by saying he could just take the D1 off, and come back when he felt better. The arguments got heated up a bit and we both know RC isn't one to stand down when engaged. RC's handling of Ari slot don't make sense as S/S. Scum!Ari could easily be scumreading RC right now. Scum!RC could easily be scumreading Ari right now.

I think these are the designated mislynches for today.

I'm posting this fully realizing my reads aren't, well uhm,

respected

the most. But it's how I'm perceiving this game, and I don't think i'm wrong here.

This really feels like a typical scenario where town are fighting each other and most scum are just watching on as it burns.

[Iconeum]

Ugh, maybe not. Ari could very possible be scum still.

But I'm not letting RC be lunched today @anyone who's considering pushing there

[Iconeum]

I'm pushing there. I'll case it or whatever when I get the chance. Also burn openwolf Ari.

RC is probs town. Ari I don't know. I'm definitely not interested in destroying what town cohesion we have by defending both of Ari and RC lol.

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RC, of all the things you could be doing, going back to TW isn't very usefull.

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It's not a big surprise people were gonna push you today. There's probably at least 1 scum pushing you as well.

[Iconeum]

RCE, who's scum with RC?

[Iconeum]

@RCE, townreads please?

[Iconeum]

can everyone at least place a vote?

[Iconeum]

for a second I thought you were gonna say that everyone currently voting you is scum

[Iconeum]

skitter + Ari scumteam pretty much clears Plum tho