Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game: Scum PT

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Hey all

Fair warning: i put rc on my blacklist and we're in this game together so this might not turn out well, unfortunately

Also mathblade and rc have a history of getting toxic when they're in the same game. And their thing will probably take over the game. I dont know how i feel about abusing that

Tw will probably be a mitigating presence tho.

Those are my immediafe thoughts

Oh and town presumably does not have much power

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Serious about masons

Ya possibly pt cop/traffic analyst

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I wouldnt be completely adverse to that but if one of us go down we both do

And we'd need to commit to it from day1

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Ok

I'm down if you're down, sure

Tris, thoughts?

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Also mathblade and rc have a history of getting toxic when they're in the same game. And their thing will probably take over the game. I dont know how i feel about abusing that

yep, 4 pages in. i guess we just let them do their thing and fuel it for as long as possible

i'm not sure if i want to commit to masons

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i'll think about neighborizing.
what would you do if you were town?

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i'll give you my reasoning at some point but i'd like to see how the gamestate reacts to this push before I give scum info about how sure I am, how strong my evidence is, etc.

ya too late for that

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Huh
Not sure i see that

I feel like i'm not doing a great job wrangling this, and that i'm shortly going to have rc, tw, nsg, and ank calling for my head

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Tyty
If that happens not sure how well i'll manage, just like fair warning ^

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I'm going to be ranting here a lot, sorry
Anhaya7VHBHHHhH

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I feel kinda gross for how the thing with rc went down

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i agree with the duck pr vibes btw

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Hey you two are starting to become viable lynch options btw

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No, it's more like he's running out of people to sr and you're in his poe

I dont think he's been gunning for you

As it is his poe is like exactly tris, you, ari

Would kinda prefer if you lot didnt get lynched today if possible

If you think it's inevitable i guess lmk ?

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hope everything is going ok!

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hey have either of your teammates looked at our game at all?

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ya i'm doing most of the commentary on other games

i'm a little blurry on what exactly the rules are wrt talking about other games, can i ask you for your teammates opinion on what we're doing here?

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11495372
for whenever the scum pt is released ^^^

i think this is hilariously ironic

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thoughts on the nk yet?

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he's apparently an invest and i probably believe that?

i'm kinda hoping the rc/tw thing will flare up again and that he'll lynch tw for us but that's probably too hopeful

i think we're diverted off of you/tris for the time being, i'm kinda just letting him lead me off of any old cliff he wants

i'm viewing rc/mathblade as probably nks
with some combo of {ari, plum, tris, xtoxm, maybe ico/flopz} as the probable lynches in the next few days

and by around day3 i'm the loudest voice alive?
people will eventually start wondering why i'm not dead so i need to be very loudly wrong somewhere

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agree duck is probably a tpr
and if we could get him lynched that would be awesome

but i don't know how to inflame that without looking like i'm doing that

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the thing with rc is that while he's like ... really pocketed he's liable to re-evaluate if he isn't dead and i don't want that happening

but my life is so much easier if he's around and running the show and dictating things for me and i just kinda like back him up

maybe it's possible to run up enough paranoia around him tom if we nk tw tonight? like maybe he gets lynched there?

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i was thinking having tris neighborize me but i don't know if that looks better or worse in that situation in the even she flips

she can maybe do loyal neighborizer but her target has to be ~good~ in case she flips

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it's really sad to have to nk such a glorious pocket tho

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my goal is to be the loudest voice around like day3 and to avoid bussing if i can do so, while makign sure i look good

if i had to pick between {bussing and looking good} or {keeping you lot alive but looking bad if you flip the next day} i think i'd rather the former because i can carry in that situation but would be under suspicion i'd rather avoid in the latter

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i just think it's funny to talk about my scumgame with the person who is so pocketed that they think i'm the towniest person in the game

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like i'm assuming that out of us i'd need to carry/try to endgame so i kinda want to set myself up for that as best i can

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i think if we keep rc on ari/tw today and his poe doesn't matter as much

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i just think it's funny to talk about my scumgame with the person who is so pocketed that they think i'm the towniest person in the game

sorry rc <3

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happy cake day tris

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kinda wanna know if mastina has any thoughts on this whole situation

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if i had to pick between {bussing and looking good} or {keeping you lot alive but looking bad if you flip the next day} i think i'd rather the former because i can carry in that situation but would be under suspicion i'd rather avoid in the latter

you ok with bussing in this situation?
not gratuitous, but if i think i can read it?

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*ride

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rc feels vanilla with the invest claim, and with him having you as top tier town i feel like hes not really a value kill?

is this completely insane?

alternatively, if we nk rc can we force a tw lynch tomorrow even if he claims pr?

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if you could just like ~not get lynched today~ that would be a big help, but like no stress

happy you're enjoying tm!

i think rc is willing to give a pass for today so i don't think you end up today's lynch

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sweet

i guess just like very generally how insane she thinks it is to keep rc alive tonight given the gamestate, and if she has any broad/general ideas as to what our plan should be for the rest of the game

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he's lynchable day3 if he leads two mislynches in a row

i have no idea if we can make that happen tho

he's pocketed af rn but he's liable to like ~reconsider~ things if he isn't dead tonight and the last thing i want to deal with is him trying to lynch me

that's what i would want mastina's opinion on ^ basically

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true true

just want to highlight that i'm currently being tr by: rc, nsg, ank, tw, and eddie cane

which ... is a semi-decent achievement, i think

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thanks, still kinda hate it in general, oddly enjoying it this game

just think it's kinda funny that i'm the current dc, have been dealing with insane paranoia for a year, and in the most competitive site event i have the best town players on site rn p much all pocketed and wanting to work with me and trying to get me to listen / support their reads etc

and all i really need to do rn is let rc 'talk' me into lynching ari for him or whatever

from my pov the rest of the day needs like maintenance but the hard work is p much done and i can coast a bit

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Hey, @xtoxm

Dont do anything rash yet, but ari is at l-1 rn

How suicidal would it be for you to lolhammer?

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Good point wrt ari beinf vanilla

Yeah fair enough, dont then. Dont want you to suicide needlessly

Maybe someone else will do it for us

Teacher's vote in particlar ia atrocious and where i'll go tom if ari gets lynched

Pedit ya

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Yep.

It sucks for ari but it's a good gamestate for us and i absolutely intend to capitalize on it tom

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ya that's probably where i'm at wrt rc, which is sad because it's such a glorious pocket

i was thinking something like n3+ pt cop or something
you have any thoughts?

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ya we need someting else to flip, i think
thoughts on who tris should neighborize?

i have some ~thoughts~ on the current situation that i probably shouldn't articulate but i think rc now tunnels tw or something idk

neither of you are getting lynched today, i think

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town detective lol ?

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tris any thoughts?

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i think he is a pr but not convinced this one
it doesn't synergize with us at all

and now sigh we're going to go thru another like 3 irl days of this

sorry for not just taking the oppurtunity to hammer, i felt like equivocated would like better when he inevitably flips town, esp. if i'm not on wagon given my stance on him already

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i was thinking like ~pt cop or something pt-themed

detective is also really random for him to make up tho so idk
like it's not a role that he can claim and be like: i'm a cop so get off

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fwiw a50 thinks this might be a situation where keeping rc alive would be a good thing, just passing it along

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yeah it would be nice if rc would for a tw lynch for us but i can't pivot there rn, i'm set up for ari whenever he claims tho

i'm just ... not going to get involved and watch the fireworks from afar this time around i think

btw i'm super vla on weekends so might not be super around again till saturday night
(if night falls at some point i will def be back before it's over there)

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*before it's over tho

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like it's better for us if he's around longer and i think that on an ari/tw flip he actually loses most of his credibility tom
this is a rare situation where it might be better just to leave him alive idk

it's toxic but kinda great for us but i feel a little bad for town
and that i'm totally going to abuse it
but it's a little sad

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whoops i think i diffused it too much

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well at least thread is more pleasant now

next question: if we don't nk rc, who do we even kill ???
maybe math since he's the other diffusing presence?

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fair enough
i probably should have forced the ari thing but i hated the thread being toxic

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yeah i feel bad i should have just condoned the ari lynch :/
or even hammered it myself
it's now more up in the air than before

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i misplayed that i think

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very true

just don't want it to swing back to either of u

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Great!

Thoughts on your pr / potential nks?

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Also i'm starting to become a wee bit paranoid that i'm being buddied/pocketed given how i think literally everyone is townreading me
And how people are talking to me on this page

Literally for my own amusement ^

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Also both of u stay off of ari i think, there's enough ill will that i dont think u need to get your hands dirty

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Bleh i actually feel like keeping him alive would be a good thing in thia case

But i think nk'ing him sets up tw for tom

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i'm thinking someone could claim informed that scum have a {rolecop maybe}?

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Like it or not you guys refusing to townread me was this towns weakness and scum are exploiting the shit out of it.

i just want to highlight for whenever this gets released

- two/three scumz are literally lurking through the dayphase
- i've been playing diffuser/mediator for the past like 50 pages
- the only fight i got into is the one rc went out of his way to pick with me, that i actively avoided for as long as i could
- scum did not contribute to the toxicity, but have been actively trying to prevent it/avoid it. (to the point where i accidentally lost the oppurtunity of the ari mislynch)
- this is an utterly unfair and inaccurate portrayal of how scum have been playing this game
- this is entirely town doing this to themselves
- i'm letting town talk me into walking off a cliff because it's for my wincon but i am *absolutely* not encouraging the toxicity

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i just want to make *very* clear that we have not been purposefully making this game toxic in order to gain some marginal advantage

when town imploded for the like 12th time i'm letting them talk me into mislynches, but i am *not* trying to make this game awful to gain some marginal advantage

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I think sometimes you do, but in this case RC imho is playing you.

yes, i am very much aware, thank you

i am absolutely letting rc talk me into mislynches when i really ought to know better because i am going to be blameless when any of plum/tw/ari flip town

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YA

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I really i can just go: yes i will use tw to bop you
Because that will get rid of the two strongest town players here

But it goes against my stated stances

Instead i think: ari/plum today
Math tonight
Rc tomorrow?
Idk n2
And then tw day3?

Kinda in my ideal universe ?

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@xtoxm does pine have an opinion on the rc situation?

I feel like everyone who hasnt read thinks we should, and everyone wjo has thinks we shouldnt

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yes.

well rc is one
and we htink tw is another

pedit true

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can you relay this over to mastina/pine and ask them what they think:

-> rc wants to be bop'd on any of 2 (mabye 3) townies - tw, plum, and provisionally ari
-> if any of them flip town i think he loses most credibility to push thru his chosen lynches
-> p much nobody cares that he's claimed investigative
-> i think if he stays alive tonight tw/rc will be a 1v1 tom
-> whenever rc flips town tw is set up to go next, is aware of this, and is picking fights with him anyways because he thinks rc is scum. like he believes that if rc flips town he never endgames
-> this entire rc/ari/tw thing is paralyzing the game/gamestate and making it diffuclt for like half half the game to play, yielding several possible 'scum lurker lynch' mislynches
-> both sides of tw/rc are heavily pocketed by me and both want me to take their side. i'm not cocky enough to think that i solely decide which way it'll go, but i'll have a lot of sway on both ends and as of right now i don't think i get super much fallout for making either decision tomorrow
-> like people are seriously starting to talk about lynching rc just to fix the gamestate, and me and several other people have said that if his chosen lynch flips town he will be pushed tomorrow and nobody has a problem with me stating this multiple times (and all of his chosen lynches are mislynches)

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i'm thinking someone could claim informed that scum have a {rolecop maybe}?

im against it, but what is
1) the logical justification for this
2) why would town reasonably be informed of this?

no idea but people don't tend to sr the people who claim this sort of thing, and i have no idea why this is a phenomenon

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also, fyi, ive seen a number of "red herring" mafia roles lately
so neighborizer doesnt necessarily imply a pt cop
just to keep in mind

fair enough

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i dont know that rc is one tbh
id feel more comfortable in a non-rc player claiming pr to kill

as of right now i think we could probably run up plum

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he claimed it on d1 and under no pressure
he was planning to do it and found a moment to make it look like it was a pressure/emotion response
its some kind of gambit, gotta be

i believe he is probably some sort of weak pr, but don't particularly believe the detective claim

i think if it were made up out of whole cloth as a gambit that he intended to employ, he would be relying on it more rn and using it more to get people to listen to what he wants

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i don't know if he is lynchable but he is definitely a chaotic force that i kinda want to utilize into mislynching people for us

and i kinda want to get an informed opinion on what to do here if i can

if they don't read it / don't answer no biggie

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i will relay it, but let me say: you are overestimating the amount of teamwork/discussion going on in our team. my teammates are all busy and pretty much just focusing on their own games.
i think we'll need to come to our own decision on this.

btw, am i allowed to quote into the team pt, or do i have to paraphrase in that direction as well?

idk
and fair enough

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ya

i just work best as scum when i understand the gamestate and can control it into desirable outcomes
like as scum i can usually predict how the next two-three dayphases will play out at the very least in broad terms, barring something drastic like a hard guilty

i can't like ~control~ rc but i think i can direct him for a little while longer into driving the thread into those very nice mislynches
like if plum goes down today, and tw tomorrow - he's going to be the bad guy. none of the fallout is going to end up on me (or if it does, it will be minimal)
and when he's gone, town's going to basically be starting from scratch

the reasons not to do this:
- he/nsg will become paranoid that they're tr'ing scum
i don't think (?) they'll end up on me in that universe. i'm very far out of my established scumrange and literally everyone is townreading me
even if they do i think i actually win most fights with him here in this gamestate (literally never a sentence i anticipated writing as scum before)
- they end up with a hard guilty
i'm not sure that town actually believes them in that scenario, esp. if he uses up his 'one day to direct the lynch' today
once he's gone then maybe
but even then i think an argument can be made taht he was bullshitting to get the outcome he wanted

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who? rc and like tw?

i ... really don't think so

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ya

i don't think he's masons here

i could see him being like ~tracker~ and claiming ~detective~ or something like that

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i could see the two of them being in a hood almost tbh

i don't think masons tho
i don't think this gamestate happens if they're masons

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Ya i dont think so at this point.

My energy for this has kinda evaporated upon seeing another 25 pages sprung up over night and i need the day to end soonish, i think

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Indeed

This phase has been exhausting tho

And now we need to decide what we should do tonight

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i really want to keep rc alive but i'm nervous of the eventuality he realizes he is literally wrong on everything and death-tunnels me

if not rc i'm thinking rce or math, probably the former

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i guess it basically comes down to:

will rc be lynchable tom

if yes i want him alive
if no i want him dead

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rce is tr you and tris tho
he scumread me but i feel like when i flip that will reinforce his reads?
why do you want kill him

I forgot that rce townread tris, good point

I dont think the flip will reinforce his reads

I'm mostly trying to figure out how to nk and i want to avoid math if possible simply because he seems set on going after him, and anyone less universally townread than rce will start make people questioning why one of the louder players wasnt killed

Like anything lower than rce will make people question the nk too much, it will be too wtf-y to make much sense and things will be derailed into - why were they nk'd

Even rce is straddling that line where people might question it

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theres still in my thinking that rc is the only pr lead we have.
killing vanillas at night is really bad for scum ev, since these normals tend to be townsided and if prs live to long, scum get mechanically caught out.

although i do agree it feels like a waste when the duck and his team spent so long shouting about him being scum. people might listen to that.

You raise valid points wrt prs

I think in general i just find controlling dayplay to be more important than the night play

Like if rc is dead - town gets a chance to think and regroup and start playing rationally again

If he's alive, there will be too much chaos for that to happen

Unless he like exactly chooses to tunnel me i think the gamestate will be more beneficial to us if he's alive and has to deal with the aftermath of today

(Of course i may be misjudging how he chooses to handle tomorrow and this may all blow up in my faces)

But my gut thinks this is the right choice

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Ya that's true

I just dont know the best way to play this

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@mod can you 'prod' tris?

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Removing the hard guilty from me, i think, since we're eventually going to need an excuse for why i'm not dying

I was thinking tris could claim loyal/disloyal or something ?

Idk i guess if tris flips first how bad do i look if she neighborized me?

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Bleh actually as i think about it i'm not sure

If she neighborizes a townie who gets pt-copped, they're potentially scum
If she neighborizes myself and i get pt-copped i have an out

I dont think we need to create ambiguous guilties, i think we need more ambiguous innos so that we have people to kill

Or am i looking at this wrong ?

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Ok

- how does a neighborizer work, technically ? Are her targets added to the same thread each night? Do like if me/tris are in the thread tonight does her n2 target see what we spoke about? Or is a new hood opened?

- if loyal and she targets me and ultimately flips ... i think that i'm going to be under a lot of pressure wrt not dying

- i'm thinking she maybe claims disloyal and hopefully gets far enough to lylo and claims a guilty ? Like maybe odd night or whatever?

- i prefer she claim gated in some way

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I dont think we need to create ambiguous guilties, i think we need more ambiguous innos so that we have people to kill

Or am i looking at this wrong ?

well, its catastrophic if end up guilted..but youre probablyyyyyy not a likely target at this point

I'd almost prefer her on u in that scenario ?

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Ok, if you think that i'd rather her on me

Loyal disloyal gated ????

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again, no more than any random townie we pick. i think it would be fine. your behaviour around it will be more important that the claim

Well more in the sense that i'd be 'conftown' and not dying

Like if we conftown me n1 and conftown say bella n2 and bella dies n3 i look bad day 4

(I run into this problem a lot)

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Fair enough
I gotta bounce to a thing but i'll be around later

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Loyal odd night or something?

Pedit ... not if there's more than one person in the hood

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Like if we're planning on having more than one person in the hood the story needs to be consistent because we need to fake a convo in the hood

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Right ...

We just need to keep the loyal thing consistent in the hood if we ever plan on having more than one person in jt

Like the dates need to add up and everything

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Her role pm can probably tell us

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And i kinda think that keeping rc alive is the right play tb

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i'm back

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ah sorry for not being here. Oka Poka said that we should kill him because if we couldn't lynch him yesterday we wouldn't be able to lynch him the future, but i don't think i agree with that.

we werent't trying to lynch him yesterday tho, that's the thing

i think his cred will be sufficiently reduced and that he might (?) be lynchable anyways

i'm more scared that he'll do a total reset and hard tunnel one of us

my best guess is that he will not necessarily have the cred to bully people into what he wants, esp. after how yesterday went down and i oppose him

but i'm scared of being very wrong

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I don't i should claim loyal neighborizer on skitter, because I wouldn't use it skitter because i already townread her.

would you use it on rce ?

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if i were town loyal neighborizer, i would probably actually neighborize you.

why do you think it would make us both suspicious?

what about if you were a disloyal neighborizer ?

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I'll think about this. The group hood thing changes a lot. I dont hate the gambit tying yourself to me, since i prefer doing something rather nothing , but it is high risk. Skitter has to solo endgame if it goes wrong.

fwiw i would much much much rather try to win this in 7way than 3way

my energy/motivation tends to flag as the game goes on as scum, especially if it's all on me

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how crazy do *you* think it is to keep rc alive?

pedit @tris

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Idk. People have a habit of tr him for no reason, and we know blacklists failed this game so a lot of people that dont like what he does to games aren't here. I think it's possible thanks to the worst but itll still be hard.

i think that most people kinda hate how he plays now, irregardless of what they felt before the game started

(also the blacklists didn't work because i had blacklisted him and i'm in the game)

i'm kinda envisioning that if we don't lynch him tom we just nk him tom night

but i think that on balance the chaos he induces is better for us than having a quiescent gamestate

and town will have less time to get their act together days 3/4 (and will find it harder to do so) after two days of rc's wild ride than just one
they'll have more time to get back on track if we nk him tonight

idk

i think the medium risk - high reward play is keeping him alive
and the low risk low reward play is nk'ing him

and i'm leaning towards the former but i'm aware it can backfire spectacularly so if you lot don't want to we wont

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like i'm p scared of it backfiring
but if it works it will be ~so awesome~

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us 3 + i think math for sure

i think (?) we can pick up another two votes given the townflip but i'm not *positive*

like i just don't want to promise more than i can deliver
but i think that another two votes is doable given how yesterday went down and the paranoia that will start festering that he isn't dead and the fact taht i don't think people will take too kindly to him trying to dictate the game again

he just might go out screaming that at least one of us are scum tho
idk where his mind will go when he reevaluates

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like i can't promise an rc mislynch

i think it's doable oddly enough

(these are not words that i ever thought i'd be writing as scum, but there you go)

i'm nervous of it backfiring if i can't make it happen and i've never tried something so ~large scale~ as scum before
but if i'm reading the thread right i think we can swing it

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yeah like it just feels like a waste to lose that chaos

i feel like if people have the chance to regroup and not focus on whatever rc is going on about, they'll start turning to the lurkers ....
and like start thinking rationally again

or like notice that i hadn't scumhunted for real in like 50 pages

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ya i was thinking that too

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i don't have any particular other leads on prs rn

tris how are you 'reading' rce and/or math rn?

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gosh i'm nervous about commiting to this decision :/

i'm thinking it has to be rce or math instead

nobody else is tr enough besides for like, me

and since math wants to lynch rc rce instead

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my gut would nto be surprised if rce is a pr but it's *very* vague and i cannot substantiate it any way and i may be very very very very wrong

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i'm thinking we nk rce and have tris do her action on him so we can hold off on deciding what to do with the neighborhood for a bit

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ahhhhhhh i'm very nervous about ruining a good gamestate for us by doing this .....
adifoaofda

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i didn't till like right this very moment

this will sound kinda egotistical but here we go:

i think part of it the banner and i don't want to like ~fail spectacularly~ knowing that people expect a good scumgame out of me

and i'm kinda thinking of retiring post tm and i'm worried that wanting to go out with a bang is making me be more rash than i would be otherwise and that the success of day1 is unduly bolstering my confidence

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Who do you think rc would be most likely to scan (of us) if he real claimed? Tris it multitask so we can have her do it if preferred.

i can't gauge between you/tris because i don't know where he's re-evaluating

i'm p sure i'm least likely
and most likely to talk my way out of it if he does get a guilty

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i also think i've thought way too much about this and that i should just go with my gut, which says that rc is the wrong nk here

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i think that's very egotistical but i'm worried that's influencing my decision making a bit

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me

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like i'm thinking:

i murderize rce
tris neighborizes rce

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we do run into slight trouble if she's asked to prove her role tom and there's nobody to back her up ...

i don't *think* she gets run up tomorrow in that gamestate we're cultivating but idk i can't promsie that

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thanks, that helps <3

i tend to overthink things, a lot, esp as scum
and i just don't want to be the reason we lose

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we can say even-night or something?

or novice?

i just don't want to have to make the decision rn wrt how we're playing it

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also i'm still toying with the informed idea, it tends to screw with gamestates like a lot, i find

maybe informed that there's a pt cop (?) that's risky before we know if town actually has one

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i think you're a lot better at the mechanics stuff than i am lol

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happy you're on my side then

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gamestates are my thing as scum

once i get a feel for the game i can usually tell how things are going to play out a day or two in advance and can predict how people will react to certain things

and what i can get away
and how town will think about x

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that was before i realized that we should do even-night/holstering lol

ya i think holster

it was more so that whoever she targeted would not actually be in the thread and so they wouldn't need to fake-solve there

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but going to submit this for now

@implosion i murderize rcenigma

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but going to submit this for now

@implosion i murderize rcenigma

also @implo can you just confirm receipt plz? thanks

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(Feel free to also submit the neighborize in here)

tris takes no action

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Aak8ahanuNan

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Jjh thinks i may have been jk'd ...

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Well he has a lot more to say but i'll relay it when i'm at a pc

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I had a negative result and don't think there is any gain from sharing it.
Think that there's a reasonably high probability that scum simply elected not to kill to make sure I couldn't get a guilty before I was lynched today.
(and before someone says that would add credence to my claim, no not really because someone who scumreads me is going to point that out and say it's scum me trying to spew town)

Yep, you caught us ...

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I'll be around in about two hours, sorry

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ok i'm back

jjh thinks that there might be a jk, either on me or rce

we both read daystart and independantly came to the conclusion that it might be math:

Gut says Ari+Plum+Deep wolf like maybe skitter?

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he listed all the possible scenarios/prs that could have caused this outcome:

on me: jk or rb
on rce: bulletproof bg/babysitter/rolsestopper, jk, or doc
or rce is a : bp, hider, commuter

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what do you think of me doing the 2-shot/x-shot jk claim on some rando (maybe plum?) to throw some confusion/maybe rolefish
not a likely nk so i could push it as a soft guilty

what do u think of the math jk'ed me theory ?

should i pick a fight with rc or nah?
if nah i'd go after plum, she objectively had the worst vote on tw

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be pissed at him, not sure if i'd push him
i'm opening there

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idk

i think it's risky to claim that if we think there's a jk around

like i think you're going to get cc'd ?

which is bad if they have a soft guilty on me

also i think the enighborizer is a red herring at this point

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see we're going to need to start coming up with excuses for why i'm not dying

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yep.

i'm kinda trying to be organic wrt rc but like ~nudge~ things in that direction slowly

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huh
not getting that vibe

we'll see tho
if i got jk'd obvs scum tried to nk me like duh

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bleh i'm getting nervous i'm mucking up this math thing

i feel like backing down looks worse tho, and that it's better to pretend to be stubborn
also i think i need to be sr a bit more

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ya

i have no idea what to do next rn
vote rc
go back on plum
vote ari

like idk lol

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bleh i kinda bungled that p badly i think

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chaos is easier to wrangle than ~calm posting~, i've decided

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bleh i feel like i've bungled this hard and that i should have gone after rc guns blazing

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i literally have no idea where i'm going with this

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Ya i think i bungled this a bit, sorry guys

Tris are u like around ...

Weekend vla, i'll be around tom night and i'll see what i can do to salvage this

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I feel like u have more confidence in me then i do <3
I'll see what i can do

I think i'm going to hardpush rc and see how far i can go with that maybe ???
3 of us + rce is 2/3 of the way there ...

Either way i'm p sure math is the nk tonight

Also i guess if tris gets replaced we just have them come in scumreading rc

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Wait math thinks that he got docced last night
And that someone crumbed doc ...

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Saudade !!!!!

Sweet!

Rc claimed detective with an inno on teacher

I tried to nk rce last night but something happened and he aint dead

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I'll be on a pc soon and can give you the lowdown soonish

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i am no longer particularly motivated for this :/

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having to catch up and i don't want to deal with rc :/

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and just thinking that this game is going to last several more weeks at least i find particularly demoralizing

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like i already have 525 freaking posts and thinking of trying to maintain that is exhausting me

i'm well out of my established scumgame but i need to ~keep producing~ to be townread and it's demotivating

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yes

demotivated/not high energy is historically a scumtell for me

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hm
i dont think about it in terms of length/end point

i always do because i need to be fake and it's demotivating
and i am usually endgame which means that i'm there Until The Game Finally Ends
usually in like 3way

like i very rarely have energy for lylo

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yeah

i'm resisting it i think
because when ari does flip town: why didn't i take the obvious mislynch ????
a major reason i'm scumread is on the basis of a me/ari thing - doubling down is weird as scum rn

and then we can always trot out - he's so hard to lynch since he's scum and they're resisting it

saudade if you wanna hard push ari u can do that, i think
it'll be l-1

actually he's at four votes rn ... can we lynch him ?

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yep.
i'm just saying that i think if like ~one more vote~ ends up on ari
saudade or you can lolhammer without that much repercussion

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who's on your team mafia team ?

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you should have access to a team thread and/or discord, contact implosion and/or untrod tripod

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having to catch up and i don't want to deal with rc :/

i can play with rc but i need a female who is not you in the game to push on

i would have said plum but she repped out, and you're the new tris
bella too i guess

also this is a mildly creepy mindset

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sweet the pocket is back

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what can I say
one way to win against rc is to roll scum as a female

again ... also creepy

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If rc wants to lynch math for us i am .... very much ok with that

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Ok how is it different lol

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i think you're right, actually

math thinks that a doc saved him, which is why he ought to be conftowned
i think that he thinks it's ico
(and that ico may or not be a doc idk)

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I kinda dont want to lynch in math/rc/ari today if possible

I just want to keep this conflict bubbling for as long aa possible until it comes to a head tomorrow and one of them gets lynched in a big fight

And then day4 town has to pick up the pieces in mylo, with the other 2 preferably still alive

I think that this is probably how we win this game ^, just never giving town the opportunity to regroup or sort the null slots

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True

You guys can keep pushing rc but i think i cant pivot there rn

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sigh

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also saudade people want to wagon you ... i'm trying to stay away but i'm not sure how hard to do that

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if i have energy i think i'm going to join the math thing tomorrow

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When/if I flip town, lynch Mathblade then the lurker pile that I listed.

If you actually flip town, I will consider revisiting my Math read

are either of you following how this means that ico doesn't have an inno on math ?

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i don't understand the math teacher convo about protectives/jks/docs

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And the math/ico thing is utterly irrelevant to the lack of nk but they're going to be treated as conftown now, sigh

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It's actually really annoying that that's a thing tbh

Like now we have two fake conftown ?

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why are you upset, now we have two killable person that leave no associatives, they will be killed simply because they were conftown

Yes but the dynamic of dayplay has changed quite a bit and we have significantly less control of it

What if instead of rc/shos they wanted to lynch you or me ?
We wouldnf have much power to stop them now

And math is going to be insufferable for the next two days, for absolutely no good reason

Ans i'm worried that if we try to nk ico we'll be prevented somehow because we dont know where the kill actually went

I dont think rc is jk, and rce isnt acting like he jk's someone last night in response to this

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I guess i'm just going to coast until rc is lynched

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Your seem stressed out.. take a break

Yeah, i think i'm going to coast a bit

I find this game to be particularly draining :/

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Sorry for being grumpy :/

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i think if rc gets to l-1 he'll self-hammer ...

there's 3 votes on
teacher is posturing to get on
ico probably will if math keeps pushing it
xtoxm you'll get on once ico goes for it ?

and that would be the lynch

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saudade i think i have a p good tell for u now

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Yeah
So u think he's the jk on me ...
I can see that actually

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Saudade when i get online later rc is going to be pressuring me to vote u

How do u want me to handle this ... ahould i distance? Insist on a tr ?

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I'm a little nervous that if i join math will decide it's a good idea too ?
And then you'll be lynched quite possibly, which i dont want to

Trajectory-wise i think i need to agree with rc and end up on you

I kinda wish shos or rc had just happened already

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I'm at work, i cant really be here for ~5 hours
And like i said the ico/math thing was going to come back to bite us

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And yeah i'm going to need to commit to u i think
I dont even know

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Fuck it if we wanna commit to 1s loyal neighborizer it'll explain the associative

Your half makes sense given the normal
I have no idea how well my iso substabtiates that

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Sigh

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Fair enough

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siding with rc over math might be a suboptimal move long-term
but i can wrangle math scumreading me in this gamestate a lot easier than i can against rc

like math is just being kinda silly and i can shut that down forever
if rc really gets going and was on the right track i would probably be unable to answer adequately and would freeze, which would in turn make him scumread me more and make it more obvious

like he was on target wrt me/sauade but i just kinda side-stepped it because i think addressing it would make things worse rather than better

also i don't thinks audade gets lynched rn, and i think math won't push saudade if i want it so

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I dont know how to turn this off of saudade