Micro 911: Technically Normal

[Wimpy]

Good morning

[Wimpy]

Ok.

VOTE: chamber

[Wimpy]

VOTE: slimer
L-1

[Wimpy]

Is it just slimer and wimpy?

Both of them did the newbie greeting tell so potentially

Actually I didn’t.

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What, is RQS dead or something?

Also wouldn’t be the first time I’ve hit l-1 for not doing rvs

Not voting early is w/e. Making three posts none of which actually engage with the scum finding of the game is very suspect though.

No it isn’t.

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It's not about knowing who the scum are 2 posts into the game. It's about making an effort to find out. You made a greeting post and then 2 reactive posts to NAI things.

You have unrealistic expectations for page 1/2

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VOTE: chamber

Serious vote. I think my neighbor is scum.

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What is the newbie greeting tell then?

You’re accusing me of using it and you don’t even know?

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It’s when you say hello to everyone.

Like “hey everyone how are you all doing” or something

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Cause there is no need to hide it. I don’t trust neighborhoods in general. I like to monitor their play to see if they are town or not. I see nothing but scum tendencies from him so better out it now. Plus it helps town know part of the setup

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Cause he’s scum

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VOTE: chamber

Serious vote. I think my neighbor is scum.

It is WAY too early for this

Obviously I disagree. There is no actual harm in outing this. I don’t see any negative tbh

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VOTE: chamber

Serious vote. I think my neighbor is scum.

It is WAY too early for this

I don't think the neighbourhood reveal is all that meaningful. I almost did so as well (though in my case I'm annoyed that he hasn't posted in it at all and that absolutely contributes to my read on him).

Why would I post in it so early?

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Yes. Why does that matter? Why is there an expectation that I communicate in the neighborhood and my refusal to do so tied to my alignment?

I haven’t agreed with anything you’ve posted in game so clearly we wouldn’t be able to communicate privately. Plus I wouldn’t share my thoughts in private. I’m an open book. I’m not a fan of neighbors or masons for that matter. Secrecy is scummy

P.edit - no

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I seriously believe you to be scum. If I’m wrong you need to do something to change my mind. Your early posts are very scummy and you look like you’re doing something but actually aren’t.

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My vote has never even been on you.

Based on your push, the fact it isn’t is a huge red flag.

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wimpy you sound like a reddit atheist who posts on t_d

Idk what this means

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Or its evidence that my 'push' was being misread. I made a single mildly strong point (that I still stand by). Past that all I did was refute him when he came up with bad reasons for why my point was incorrect.

You’ve made multiple statements that I don’t believe comes from an experienced player who is also town.

For now I like you for scum. Let’s see if you can change my mind or somebody else acts scummier.

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Both of you are going to flip town, thats how this works. You get paranoid and then you tunnel and it derails the game. Knock it off for now.

You don’t know what I’ll do. I’m not tunneling. I’ll give him a chance to change my mind.

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There is an IC? What?

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Lol really?

How did yall miss crucial information?

Wasn’t reading vote counts

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Yes neighbors are sk. You’re a genius

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This is a Normal Game, approved for normalcy and balance by

No sk btw

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irrelevant note: this is a high variance playerlist joindate game

PEDIT: what do you think of looker's entry then

Question. What would you think of an experienced player acting like a n00b?

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I remember when chamber had a red color on his name.

So do I

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Is it your assertion that I'm playing like a noob? Because that wasn't my take away from the previous time you said something.

You’ve made multiple statements that I don’t believe comes from an experienced player who is also town.

Pretending to be one.

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Not voting early is w/e. Making three posts none of which actually engage with the scum finding of the game is very suspect though

This post for example. Nobody with a join date 2018 or older should ever think this because there are literally thousands of examples of town doing it.

So you I know have played a ton. I’ve probably played with you but I don’t really remember, I don’t see how you can seriously make that post as town. It comes across as scummy/manipulative to me.

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i don't think chamber is playing like a noob. he's playing like chamber.

Hmm ok. Thanks

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That’s not what I’m saying there. I left off a comma I guess.

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So you, I know have played a ton.

Better? I don’t write so good

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Why are you requiring town me to be substantially more competent than scum me. Surely me trying to fake being a noob is more ridiculous a move for scum me than me having a 'bad' read as town me.

I’m not requiring you to do anything.

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I agree the vote is a boring one, but that degree of pedantry doesn't come from someone honestly engaging in a dialogue.

I’m not trying to engage in a dialogue with you. I have you as scum until you do something to convince me otherwise. The burden is on you.

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It's really not a spicy vote

This.

It’s a lazy omgus vote. He’s played a bad game. Really scummy to me anyway. He admitted his basis for his original read was because I didn’t post in the neighborhood which is like completely asinine.

He expected others to scum hunt on page 1, and here we are page whatever and he is the one not scum hunting so he’s a hypocrite on top of it.

[Wimpy]

Wimpy’s deliberate obtuseness seems genuine.

I’m not being deliberately obtuse

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edit: buuuut I hate that wimpy post soooo

But I already told him that. He knows what he need to get me to change my read. Him voting me out of omgus and accusing me of not wanting to dialogue with him is extremely scummy. Why would I want to dialogue with scum?

He should be doing what he expected others to do on page one

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Look at his history.

Voted me for not posting in pf
Pushed somebody for reasons he supposedly thinks are legit. No vote.
Votes bug spray for idk why
Votes me for omgus and not wanting to talk to my scum read.

This isn’t town imo. I would imagine town would play better especially experienced town

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Slimer’s reactions were townie. Chamber’s push was scummy. The lack of vote makes it worse. He fabricated something to appear useful

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I’m going to bed. Can’t let this game get to me.

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Convince you by... engaging with you in a dialogue about the flaws in your reasoning? But you don't want to do that, and your reasons seem to always be changing.

No. Convince me by your actions. So far your actions show you to be scummy so I find you scummy. If you’re town, I’m hoping you’ll actually step up your game. I like my reasons. I don’t think they are flawed.

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The burden is on town to scumhunt, not scum to convince town they’re scum. Your argument makes no sense whatsoever to me but I kinda believe you believe it.

Correct. And I’ve said he isn’t scum hunting. When I say he needs to convince me he’s town, I mean he has to start playing like town. So far he hasn’t done much to erase my scum read. The lazy omgus vote definitely digs him deeper. Now I don’t want to get stuck in some stupid tunnel but right now he’s the scummiest.

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And i definitely don’t want this entire game to be about me v chamber arguing. If I am wrong and he’s town, scum can lay low.

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I have a lot of thoughts about this but I think we will be able to get more useful information if I wait until ~16 hours from now to share them.

No please share them now. No point in withholding anything

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@chamber real talk though. If you think it’s not scummy for players not to scum hunt page 1 and also to not post in a neighborhood when there is nothing to discuss. How do you think you can convince me of my flawed reasoning when you clearly are the one who’s used flawed reasoning?

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you think it’s scummy for players not to scum hunt page 1

Fixed

[Wimpy]

Chamber I’m not asking you to conform to my style of mafia. If this is how you play, fine play that way. If you’re town you won’t always be townread by people. If you actually want me to town read you though, you will have to figure out a way to do that. If you don’t care, why are we having this conversation?!

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You really don’t handle being scum read very well. If you are town you have a bad attitude so I’m fine with you being dead.

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Have you two talked in hood yet?

Why would we? I actually didn’t realize we had day talk until chamber pointed out that he scum read me for not posting. I reread my role pm and saw it but at this point I have nothing to discuss there that can’t be said here.

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Pretty sure it comes from a town mindset. Scum wouldnt ignore the hood

This. As scum I have a better chance of using it to pry information. Scum however would use the fact that I’m not posting against me. I don’t see why town would. Paranoia in neighborhoods is common. Why would town assume paranoia is scum mindset? They wouldn’t.

Chamber essentially has done that.

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You really don’t handle being scum read very well. If you are town you have a bad attitude so I’m fine with you being dead.

I tried to engage you on it and you were completely dismissive. I don't handle being talked down to by people hiding their identities well. Again, go fuck yourself.

You were trying to engage me on hypothetical situations instead of trying to actually engage me in the reasons why I scum read you.

I don’t know you so I don’t know why town or scum you would do things. Asking me why scum you would play as a n00b is a question I honestly can’t answer. I don’t know why scum you would do that. I also don’t know why experienced town you would and when I compare the two situations and ask myself which seems more likely, scum you pretending to do something makes more sense.

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Nah that parts NAI.

Not to me

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Maintaining lies in multiple conversations and threads is harder than maintaining them in 1. I also think not posting early is a scum tell because you'd be more invested in, and get more out of posting in the scum PT

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It seems like we won’t get past this 1v1. Everyone choose a side and let’s just keep the game moving forward.

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I swear neighborhoods are negative utility for town ffs.

tbh Masons can be that way also.

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This game will never be productive with both of us alive. Choose one of us to vote for and lets end this day.

or you could stop omgusing me and actually scum hunt. just a thought. You seemed so high on people doing that on page 1, but you never did any yourself.

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Ok, I agree it’s bad faith not to post and try to sort in the neighborhood. Still not sure I scumread Wimpy for it.

I just want slimey to swing and I care little about the rest.

1. I didn't realize we had day talk
2. slimey is a bad wagon. it probably won't happen.

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ddl isn't a bad wagon

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Wimpy what did you find Townie about slimer’s early reactions?

chamber's push on him was terrible. slimer reacted just as i would if somebody made a bad push on me. Chamber expecting scum hunting on page 1 is ridiculous. Slimer is most likely town.

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posts 51 and 56 are good posts

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Why is slimey a bad wagon?

just answered it

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cause he is defending himself from a BS accusation.

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now i'd love to hear how you spin those as scummy. please explain.

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Absolutely could not stand the way he panicked

btw, this never happened.

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idk why people think defending themselves is scummy or why people consider it panicking. The push was bad. he handled himself appropriately. chamber deserves to be scum read for it , not slimer.

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chamber didn't even vote him. which makes the push look fake

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hence my accusation that chamber did something to appear being useful, but actually wasn't. which is part of why I scum read chamber.

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VOTE: ddl
if chamber isn't going to happen, I am ok pressuring this

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I read it differently than you. I think to accuse someone of “tunneling” when they haven’t even voted you and it’s page 2 is excessive and indicative of scumflail.

we definitely do see it different.

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wimpy just sort of dominates the conversation and turned this thread into a Seinfeld episode.

why does this make me scum?

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All I am doing is pressuring my scum read and actually engaging conversation with anyone and everyone who tries to talk to me. I can't help it if that makes me post a lot. I tried to tell people to do their own thing but some chose not to.

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this thread is definitely not about nothing.

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but you didn't actually answer my question.

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v/la for the weekend. I’m usually v/la on weekends.

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why do you actually scum read me chamber?

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don't answer for him. and no I am not.

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it's weird to assume 2 SKs and masons just based off an IC and neighbor claims. so I get why people are asking you about it. I agree with sal though, I don't see scum making such speculations. I don't know why gobble is asking when you already explained your spec was based on incorrect assumption on what normal is. Part of me wants to think it's role fishing but i'm not so sure.

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I am not sure bug is playing with a full deck. he essentially admitted he wants to pl me for posting too much

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From my perspective you're a giant hypocrite when it comes to how you expect to be responded to and act and how you respond to things and act

I don't think I have been a hypocrite at all. I actually have no clue what you are talking about. i have no expectation about how people should respond or act. If I did that i'd probably scum read half the game right now.

Also from my perspective your reasons for suspecting me have been very inconsistent.

My reasons for scum reading you haven't changed so I don't know why you think that. Feel free to point out these inconsistencies if you actually think you have seen some.

When DrDoLittle confirmed that I'm just being myself, you dropped that point

No i haven't

moved on to others seemingly out of nowhere.

I get that criticism, i don't agree with it though. Pressuring others is probably a good idea. I have seen game where people death tunnel somebody and they usually end in town losses. People know where I stand on you and it seems nobody really agrees with me so that's another reason to move my vote. Parking on a wagon not likely to happen is useless, I want to look for other possible scum. Pressuring players is the best way to get people to contribute imo

You are hard confirmation biasing

You are probably right. I probably am hard conf.biasing, but only because I haven't seen you do anything to improve your slot. It's part of the reason I am trying to move on. i figure if you and I stop bickering, you can actually take the game seriously.

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I am not sure bug is playing with a full deck. he essentially admitted he wants to pl me for posting too much

This is a really deft defensive scum move. He yake this chance to ad hominem attack me who is pushing him to discredit me while also intentionally using the wrong pronoun and then incorrectly reframes my argument with a subtle strawman

A towny would not do grossly construe my words in good faith, I just don't think a townie would ever post this. It also reeks of omgus

Your reasons for why I am scum

wimpy just sort of dominates the conversation and turned this thread into a Seinfeld episode.

Okay I think lynching wimpy first before slime is better because then there won't be so much spam distracting town so I'm gonna do this

this = I am posting too much.

You can deny it all you want, but what I said is accurate. You can drop all the fancy buzzwords you want, the fact is you are essentially voting me cause I am posting too much and that is based on your own words.

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the only accurate thing you said in 285 is I used an adhom attack.

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What if I said the scum was probably in {DDL, TheSlimer, Looker}

why?

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eh, don't really think any of those are good reasons but then again they all need to post more so can't really get reads on them.

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and don't forget not 1 but 2 SKs.

also buggy, did you mean mis-construe?

i also don't scum read you so it isn't omgus

and strawman means -

an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.

so i don't think that applies to me because 1. I didn't misrepresent anything 2. I certainly didn't intentionally misrepresent anything and 3. you didn't make a real argument against me. Your only reason for voting me is dominating the thread which essentially means posting too much

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i can't wait to see how you talk yourself out of this one buggy.

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I don't really have a poe yet. Way to early imo.

I have one scum read, one slight town read, one person I have no choice but to town read and everyone else I'm still trying to get a feel for. I don't think you can solve the game on day 1.

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Doing something just to look like you are doing something is scummy

I couldn’t agree with you more. That’s basically one of the things I scum read you for.

Interesting enough that isn’t what you pushed slimer for.

I wish people would see you for who you truly are.

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Making three posts none of which actually engage with the scum finding of the game is very suspect though.

=/=

Doing something just to look like you are doing something

VOTE: chamber

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Btw. Chamber has made 43 posts and has yet to “engage with the scum finding of the game”

So if making 3 is scummy. 43 has to be like really really scummy

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you look like you’re doing something but actually aren’t.

Chamber using my own words to try and make himself look better yet has the nerve to scum read me. Not only are you a hypocrite, but you plagiarize also

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I hate I’m going to be v/la. I really want to tear into this lying hypocrite all weekend long.

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How can you explain town chamber scum reading me for accusing him of doing the things he just accused slimer of?

How can you explain town chamber changing his reasons mid day phase?

He talked about me not keeping lies straight in multiple threads yet he can’t keep his lies straight in one.

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Like sal. I want to work with you cause you are confirmed town but based on chambers recent posts. He can’t be third. It makes no sense for him to remain so low

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And it doesn’t matter if we are t v t, keeping us both alive through day one hurts town as the game goes on.

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Besides. Town win percentages go up when you mislynch day 1. So even if I’m wrong about chamber. He’s dead weight and we have good info to analyze.

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You have horrible reading comprehension. You imagining reasons for why I do things doesn't make them true. Those 2 statements aren't exactly the same, but they are the same in the ways that matter to me suspecting him when I did. I've never been voting you for suspecting me, or for any 1 reason for why you suspect me.

1. You’re basically saying they are the same cause you say so when I’m reality they aren’t the same at all. That’s scum talk
2. You omgus voted me. How can you even pretend that isn’t true?

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Making 3 posts ~= appearing to doing something, them not engaging with scumhunting ~= not actually doing something.

Jfc you made way more than 3 before you attempted to do actually do something. I’m still waiting for you to do something.

The argument you made against slimer can be factually made about you. You made 3 posts on page 1 (appearing to do something) without trying to scum hunt. (Without actually doing something)

Using your own words, accurately sums up your page 1 posts.

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The main point is that DDL is posting like hes honestly trying.

Uh. Chamber is guilty of this.

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I didn't declare you 100% scum

Scum hiding behind semantics

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That's not going to happen.

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Of my first 3 posts the first and third were scumhunting. You clearly disagree, but you aren't town.

Nobody would agree. Cause they aren’t.

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Vote:Wimpy

Please don't do that.

Is it just slimer and wimpy?

1. Rvs
2. Useless post
3. Baseless accusation

No scum hunting. No question asking. Nothing that explains where your mind is

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Words matter. Someone being a good lead on page 1 is so far from them being confirmed scum

Uh why do you think I’m referring to your rvs vote?

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Vote: Wimpy

This is the omgus vote.

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I retract my v/la

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Of my first 3 posts the first and third were scumhunting. You clearly disagree, but you aren't town.

Nobody would agree. Cause they aren’t.

My first post was a serious vote (for a reason I no longer agree with but serious non the less). My third was eliciting opinions about the game state.

You can’t say after the fact it was serious. If your first post in the game was a serious vote you make that known. Backtracking now doesn’t work

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I was never even talking about a vote in what you just quoted, but my opinion on slimer.

How would anyone know that when you were quoting me and the first part was towards me?

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Vote: Wimpy

This was your only thing in that post so clearly you didn’t explain

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Meant to mean.

I felt like omgusing your rvs vote. I didn’t think your vote was anything other than rvs. I doubt anyone thought at the time it was serious

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How about the fact that I never moved my vote to slimer as another reason to take it seriously?

I bet if you asked everyone. Nobody thought that vote on me was serious.

The fact you didn’t vote slimer is why we are in this mess. If your vote was serious you should have said so at the time. Saying it multiple pages later is too late

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You've since asked why. I've answered. I didn't say I explained at the time of the vote.

Your answers still point to omgus tbh

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I don't believe you. You are just throwing more shit at the wall to try and gish gallop your way into a miss-lynch.

I have no reason to lie about that. I’ve been an open book. Truthful and honest. Sadly you can’t say the same about yourself.

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To me an OMGUS vote is voting someone purely because they are voting you.

Yeah. That’s basically why you voted me.

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I don't believe you. You are just throwing more shit at the wall to try and gish gallop your way into a miss-lynch.

I have no reason to lie about that. I’ve been an open book. Truthful and honest. Sadly you can’t say the same about yourself.

This is a good summation of why you suck. You haven't been an open book. You've been a dismissive asshole. You give yourself infinite charity and others none.

Don’t call me an asshole.

I have been an open book cause I’ve shared my thoughts about anything and everything. I was dismissive about one question that you asked that was impossible for me to answer and you knew it was impossible when you asked it. I did go on go answer it though as best I could

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It's not.

It really is. You can keep denying it but that doesn’t make it less true

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until it became clear you weren't interested in changing your mind.

And once it was clear. What happened?

You voted me. That’s still omgus

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What’s even worse. Is I backed off you and you doubled down. You tried to use that against me. You didn’t want me to change my mind. You want this 1v1 to happen.

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Almost like I think an unwillingness to change your mind when presented with counterfactuals is scummy.

Except you didn’t provide counterfactuals

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You also think it’s scummy to make 3 posts on page 1 without them being scum hunting posts (something you are guilty of)
You also think it’s scummy to not post in the neighborhood

Sorry if you are town, you are too experienced to actually believe any of these things are scummy

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I didn't use it against you

You did cause it was in your “reasons” for scum reading me.

Every single one i proved was false.

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Almost like I think an unwillingness to change your mind when presented with counterfactuals is scummy.

Except you didn’t provide counterfactuals

The unrefutable counterfactual is that DrDolittle nullified your argument about me 'playing like a noob'

So dolittle provided some. You didn’t yet you claim you did.

And sorry the word of one player isn’t a counterfactual. It’s counteropinion

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When DrDolittle came out against your "this is chamber pretending to be a newb" argument, you brought up a bunch of other arguments.

This isn’t true.

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Almost like I think an unwillingness to change your mind when presented with counterfactuals is scummy.

It’s implied here

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Almost like I think an unwillingness to change your mind when presented with counterfactuals is scummy.

It’s implied here

And if that’s not what you meant I apologize. But you saying counterfactuals were provided is false anyways. One man’s opinion isn’t fact.

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Dolittle could your scum buddy for all we know

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Spew bullshit, get called on it, move on to new bullshit.

You summed up your game perfectly.

That’s why your scum. I haven’t spewed bullshit. You have. I think you’ve lied 4-5 times already.

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Too distracted by scum PT.

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You have horrible reading comprehension

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I've never been voting you for suspecting me,

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I admit I'm wrong when I think I'm wrong

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Of my first 3 posts the first and third were scumhunting. You clearly disagree, but you aren't town.

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My first post was a serious vote

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You haven't been an open book

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why do you actually scum read me chamber?

From my perspective you're a giant hypocrite when it comes to how you expect to be responded to and act and how you respond to things and act. Also from my perspective your reasons for suspecting me have been very inconsistent. When DrDoLittle confirmed that I'm just being myself, you dropped that point and moved on to others seemingly out of nowhere. You are hard confirmation biasing if not scum.

Multiple in here

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Doesn’t matter the caliber. A lie is a lie.


Also you’ve already crossed the line with cursing and insults. I’m asking you nicely, refrain from doing it again.

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Be 10 fold less abrasive and I'll pull it back to. Continue on the path you are on and I'm likely only going to get worse.

I haven’t crossed the line. You have.

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you can fuck off.

go fuck yourself.

Fuck off.

You've been a dismissive asshole

These are unacceptable and I have not come anywhere close to being this bad. I don’t think I have even cursed.

I’ve asked the mod for a warning. I’ve reported these to the site mod.

I’ve asked nicely. Why are you bullying me?

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Why are you threatening me?

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Secondly Jesus Christ 4 fucking pages overnight. Can both of you shut the fuck and stop having your pissing match for five fucking seconds?

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This is going to keep happening day 2, 3, etc until one of is is lynched. If you’re fine with it, so am I.

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Wimpy has really pushed some of my buttons

I’ll give you the same advice somebody gave me. If you can’t handle somebody scum reading you, mafia probably isn’t your game. Calling you scum and trying to get you lynched is the only button I pushed.

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I’ll give you all individually 5 bucks if you switch to gobble

$20?

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You’re literally not lynching me and I’ve demonstrated more than enough that I’m town. The fact that you are ok voting for me when DDL has done cluckall the entire game is positive scum equity.

I don’t know if you have demonstrated that.

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Wimpy has really pushed some of my buttons

I’ll give you the same advice somebody gave me. If you can’t handle somebody scum reading you, mafia probably isn’t your game. Calling you scum and trying to get you lynched is the only button I pushed.

Oh look, you're still an asshole.

Like why? I even asked nicely

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Btw. Chamber has made 43 posts and has yet to “engage with the scum finding of the game”

So if making 3 is scummy. 43 has to be like really really scummy

I disagree with this assessment. Chamber had the most early game scum hunting of anyone. Has only fallen off recently but not worth noting IMO.

Pushing somebody without placing a vote isn’t really scum hunting imo.

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Especially when the argument he made fits his own actions.

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It was early. He had an rvs vote down. If he truly believed slimer’s actions scummy he should have voted. That’s like one of the reasons I’m scum reading him. He appeared to be productive but didn’t want to put a vote in play. Aka appearing to do something but not actually doing anything.

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My vote was serious as I've previously stated. Slimer was already getting a lot of pressure. At one point me voting for him would have been a hammer.

You can say that now after the fact but as I said there is no indication at the time it was serious and since we were in rvs, it’s considered rvs

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Wimpy continues to misrep multiple players and I’m not liking it.

I don’t believe I have misrepped anyone.

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So you don’t agree with my opinions. It was also 2 am
And I was beyond tired.

One this is fact though. Since chamber didn’t vote slimer, that doesn’t appear to be genuine scum hunting which means he has gone this far, with so many posts, and hasn’t scum hunted.

He is also guilty of the very thing he accused slimer of.

He can swear up and down after the fact his rvs vote was serious, but he didn’t say so at the time and it was rvs so it clearly wasn’t.

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You didn't contend with my assertion that I had a read on you when I mentioned it here. What read did you think I was talking about if not a serious vote on you?

I honestly didn’t think you scum read me from your first post of the game. When you made that post, I assumed you had started to scum read me because I wasn’t posting and I voted you. See how I said my vote was serious?

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Is it just slimer and wimpy?

Or how about this even earlier (though admittedly more flippant) post.

All of my play is consistent with it being a serious vote on you because it was a serious vote on you.

You can keep trying all you want. I honestly didn’t think that was serious either. I thought you were just kicking tires like a lot of players do, myself included.

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Look who else has voted in rvs without making it clear it was a serious vote until after the fact. But I guess he forgot that in the last 2 months.

Your first post of the game vs my 5/6th? You’re cute but it’s not the same. I’m not saying you always have to say your vote is serious but when you do if your first post of the game is a vote.

Did you think Doolittle’s vote on you was serious? That was rhetorical. No you didn’t.

Also if you haven’t noticed, I like to wagon early on. That game you posted I was 2nd vote. This game my vote on you was 2nd vote. I also put slimmer to l-1.

You’re grasping at straws which is typically a scum tactic

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Found this rich from him too.

I’ve never told anyone how to play so now you’re just flinging whatever shit you can.

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The only way I’d believe your first vote was serious, is when you die and actually flip town. Since we aren’t in an alternative universe, that’ll never happen cause you won’t flip town.

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dude shut up (this is coming from me)

No. I’m playing the game. You want me to shut up. Lynch me. Until that happens. I won’t be silenced.

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And of course it was kicking tires, what else is a first post scum read. I would rarely expect to carry such things past the first several pages, them being weak is different from them being arbitrary)

See this to me is you admitting your read wasn’t serious. Thanks for around the bout way admitting I was right.

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I do just have you by the balls with those quotes though. Don't care if it makes other people think you're town, it emblemises how you're a giant hypocrite or scum.

All you have is a handful of straws. You’re trying to compare apples to oranges.

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You mean you'll admit it post game after you flip scum? cool.

Again we aren’t in an alternative universe so I won’t flip scum cause my role pm says I’m town.

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I SWEAR TO GOD IF I WAKE UP TO YOU TWO GOING ON FOR 5 PAGES OVERNIGHT AGAIN IMMA LOSE IT

I’m going to be earlier tonight so don’t worry.

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Please focus on the actual game. Thanks.

I am actually. I’m trying to lynch scum while everyone else is trying to lynch a lurker.

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Me saying its weak but not arbitrary/random is the same as it being random? News to me.

I never said your vote was random. I said it wasn’t serious. You saying it was weak/arbitrary and that you would eventually move on means it wasn’t serious

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Then policy lynch me. I got run out of two games because of bullying. I’m not going to stand down anymore.

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Don’t make me compromise my own gameplay because you won’t shut the hell up and comment on anything else going on in the game

What am I supposed to comment on exactly?

It’s me vs chamber, a bunch of people vs a lurker.

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Oh for crying out loud.

Random Voting Stage

2010 called. It says that actual definition died years ago. People vote in rvs for non random reasons now. It’s been that way since even before I left the first time.

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Then policy lynch me. I got run out of two games because of bullying. I’m not going to stand down anymore.

But here’s the thing.

You’re the bully.

How so? I haven’t bullied anyone. Chamber has. Bug spray has. You just did.

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Chamber is my scum read. I’m trying to lynch him. That’s the point of the game last I checked.

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Oh for crying out loud.

Random Voting Stage

2010 called. It says that actual definition died years ago. People vote in rvs for non random reasons now. It’s been that way since even before I left the first time.

EXACTLY LIKE MY REASON FOR VOTING FOR YOU AND SUSPECTING SLIMER YOU MEAN? THIS IS AN ADMISSION THAT YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT.

Except those votes aren’t usually serious. You claimed yours was so I’m not full of shit

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rather than advance it.

I can’t advance the game until my scum read is dead.

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Once he’s dead I’ll find his partner.

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A serious vote means serious scum read.

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Point blank refusal to advance the gamestate

I haven’t done this though.

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A serious vote means serious scum read.

A serious vote means not random or arbitrary. Based on some game relevant reason.

I just explained what a serious vote is. I don’t agree with your definition

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That is literally not how this game works. It is a team game.

When the “team” wants to lynch a lurker for no reason at all. I can’t I’m good faith vote with them. I don’t condone actually policy lynching a lurker.

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in good faith*

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Me? Bully you?

Threatening to policy lynching me is bullying. It’s a threat made towards me to play how you want or else. You’re a bully

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No one is policy lynching DDL for lurking. We think he is scum.

Yet not a single person has posted an actual reason for why he is scum.

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Wimpy, is DDL town?

I don’t know. He’s lurking and hasn’t posted enough. I don’t see how anyone could town or scum read him and nobody has provided reason for why he’s scum.

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Well based on my definition you’re a liar. So what was the point of that? I don’t trust you or your definitions

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SHUT THE FUCK UP WIMPY.

No

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You’re basing your read on meta? Meta doesn’t work on me.

What has he done this game that points to scum?

He claims he is busy irl. That could be why he isn’t playing the same. You don’t know

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I haven’t done anything bam worthy actually. Chamber has but he used to be a mod or something so I’m sure he won’t either.

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ban*

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I haven’t done anything bam worthy actually. Chamber has but he used to be a mod or something so I’m sure he won’t either.

Yeah but youre instigating it so you can go first.

Me responding to posts directed about or towards me isn’t instigating.

People telling me to fuck off, tossing insults, threatening to policy lynch Me, or telling me to shut up are the ones instigating. I’m playing the game as it’s intended.

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I actually am half flipping DDL in hopes he flips red so I can get support for a slimer lynch. Just being honest.

You just said “we” think he is scum. This doesn’t sound like you are convinced he is.

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Thinking somebody is scum isn’t the same as hoping.

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Ddl should be given until Tuesday for his thing to be over. He isn’t being given a fair chance to play and if he flips town cause town didn’t want to wait a couple of days, that’s just terrible.

As I was reminded unnecessarily, this is a team game and if he is town, the team didn’t care enough to honor his request.

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which you are refusing to do. So no you aren’t.

I’m not refusing to work as a team though. I just don’t agree with a ddl lynch. No convincing argument has been made. Disagreement isn’t refusal

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More semantics. I think he has a higher than random chance of flipping red which is pretty good for a day 1 lynch. I am compromising to further the game and achieve my goals, which is something you should learn.

Based on what? He’s a lurker who hasn’t posted much. Why does that make him scum? This is what I don’t understand. Sal is the only one I can remember who provided a reason and I’m not convinced by his reason. 2/3 others are sheeping and I believe you will also if you hammer.

Compromising with 11 days left? Why are we in a rush?

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Gobble votes ddl earlier as what I perceived as pressure. He even said he needs to increase substance. I don’t really see him add anything other than he Poe’s him.

Bug and looker basically sheeled sal


Sal is mostly meta based


Does this really look like a convincing wagon to you? It doesn’t to me.

If that makes me guilty of not playing as part of a team, I guess I’m ok with that.

I need better reason to vote somebody. I’m not a sheep. I think I provided better reasons than sal and I don’t follow
Him just cause he’s Ic.

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stupid typos.

Maybe everyone can take a step back and some people can start scum hunting instead of letting one man strong arm a lurker lynch based on meta

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You don’t have to lynch DDL to work as a team. Already this conversation is 100x more productive.

That’s basically what you implied earlier though. “We think he is scum” and you’re working against us

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If chamber and I keep argue, I can’t be productive. That’s why I said it’s better for the game if one of us are lynched today. I will not vote anyone else especially after he crossed the line.

I’m going to bed.

I don’t agree with. Ddl wagon because there isn’t anything convincing for why it exsists. As far as I can tell he’s busy irl and that’s why his play isn’t any good.

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No. I said you clogging up the thread misrepping Chamber

But I don’t believe I have misrepped him. Every post he makes about me, I’m going to respond to it. Any “game relevant” post anyone makes about me, I’m going to respond to it also. I won’t comment on alt or gender cause none of that has relevance.

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in response to you saying that people are policy lynching a lurker, which is false.

I’m sure I stand alone I’m thinking it’s a PL but he claims he is busy irl. Him being busy is an explanation as to why his play isn’t any good.

Now we all have to decide if we believe him or we don’t. I believe him so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. I’m willing to wait until Thursday to see if his play improves.

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The way sal is using his IC status to strong arm a lynch really leaves a bad taste in my mouth but he’s town so I can’t really do anything about it but ignore him until he provides something more valuable than his current reasons.

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As am I but that doesn’t mean I can’t apply pressure and see what shakes out.

You declared intent. If you apply pressure he’s dead.

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I’ll do my best to ignore chamber but I can’t ignore posts he makes about me.

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Declaring intent is applying pressure.

Declaring intent on Saturday when he’s asked until Tuesday sort of does one of two things. It either stalls the game or it ends in him being lynched before Tuesday.

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wimpy you sound like a reddit atheist who posts on t_d

Still don’t know what this means. I assume it’s an insult

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Maybe I'm am idiot but I'm not conceited and insecure.

No I’m not conceited or insecure.

Ok maybe a little insecure but not conceited. I don’t think I’m better than anyone. I’m just hard headed and unwilling to compromise.

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Even though it's my fault can we blame wimpy

No you can’t. I didn’t do a damn thing and to be force replaced for reporting rule violations is probably the worst thing that could happen. I’ve notified moth cause both molla and the list mod need reprimanded for that.

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damn thing wrong*