TM2020 - Large Theme - Gay Mafia IV: TOWN WIN

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GIF's avi made me think RC was in this game, and it obviously confused chenn too.

So, are we not RVS'ing?? I am torn between voting DEB (my newest auto-SR default target), Maria (my traditional auto-SR default target) or FL (I'm gonna SR him at some point, so better get it off the way)/ GIF? Hus team is supposed to carry ours, so that's an auto-TR read.

VOTE: DEB

P-edit:

VOTE: GIF

Asks if Ank is Town, and when she confirms he still finds a reason to vote her. I mean, it's not the vote, but the theatrical foreplay for it. Why couldn't you just post #13 as your first post?

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And there was I thinking I will be relaxed for the opening 72 hours!

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VOTE: RC

@mod v/la weekends

at arcade with friends. will reply when not there.

@GIF: FGS; get another avatar. EVERYONE thinks you're RC at first glance.

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Do people actually randomize alignment for hoods? I hear that said a lot, but know of absolutely no proof that shows that

You haven't states what you are in that post. Should I worry?

Actually, in this players list I would rather try to sort a limited number of players then sheep them to victory. (I won't mention who these players are because then I'd have to respond to the inevitable question "why these names in particular?" which I'd rather not at this time).

@Farkran: Do I know you by any other name?

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Oh, kuribo's here.

OK, my hood (which I'm not outing) is ALL TOWN. Fight me! @kuribo

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@a50 what do you think of anka rn?

Why Ank in particular? And why ask

ME

about her (and in page 4???)

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Stopping @EoP 14

I still want to know if I know Farkan at all (I don;'t even think I have a finished game with any of his team members).

So far I have no confident reads, but -gun to my head- I'd say FL is town (for not showing malicious/manipulative behaviour so far).
I also don't think GIF posts that much is he was scum (for fear of slipping, which he is bound to if he was Scum).

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Starting early today (Top of page 15). Let's hope I can be fully caught up in the next 3 hrs

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Call me a fool (or scum if you like) but after page 15 I'm locking FL as town and betting the game on it.

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EoP 16, and I really hope that was the end of that FL-Volpe interaction. (I skimmed p16, obviously)

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This game gives me headache so I'm just gonna start walking away from it and honestly maybe it's not all that bad I'm getting SR because it means I probably don't die during nights.

[Volpe] - town
[Elem] - likely town
[Fark, Espresso, GiF] - nulltown
[everyone else] - null
[Nomnom, Chennis, Ank, Vex, MariaR] - nullscum

I don't really care that much anymore, any doubt on my reads ask and I reply when I check-in or something. Don't ask for explanations for all them though, that would be too bothersome right now.

I was coming around Ank/Vex/MariaR as making sense but Chennis/Nom gives me some creepy vibes. Maybe FL.

Out of the null slots, maybe I like DV the most but I'm weak on that.

I am not going to engage you about thus read list, mainly because I don't get ANY of your reads, and also because I don't want to be tied in a long "You. No, You." type of argument. I just want to say I expect to soon be added to the nullscum pool because I gave FL an explicit TR (and because of this post too)

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EoP 19. and that duel isn't over yet. Guys, this is TEAM MAFIA. If I was playing solo I would have just turned on my trolling ability or sat back an didn't five a fuck. But I have a team that put their faith in me to try and win this thing (i.e. this is one of the rare occasions where winning is >>>> having fun for me)

@gooey: What exactly don't/didn't you like about my posting, considering I hadn't exactly said anything at that point?

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I think Volpe just has Flavor Fever. He’s

heard of my scum game

, and is just

hyper paranoid

.

Wouldn't that make him town by definition?

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Ok I don't have much time atm but basically our group as a collective thinks that volpe is town and lynching our townread is very bad idea.

My team hasn't said much about the main thread yet, but I am leaning thus way too. Volpe is too "out there" for him to be Scum in this players list.

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Skitter has to kill me as soon as I replaced in without me having even doing anything earlier this year.

Fun fact: this happened to me recently. I tried to sub into a game

during the night phase

and -according to the mod- scum went "WTF! This has to die!" just 5 minutes later after it was announced I was taking the slot over. Needless to say TOWN WON! (That's MY effect)

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It had quite a lot of frustation on it but I really I'm coming to terms with one of FL/nomnom just being actual scum.

I don't have a read on nomnom as of yet

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And for the most part, any game that people say I did lol bad as town in...I win essentially every single one of those games

remind me to say that about you in the open when we roll Masons together? (Or if I'm Cop and for a clear on you.. you know what I mean)

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don't forget to choose between me and FL

No deal. So far I think you're both Town. (Now had it been BINGLE... )

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I also doubt that FL/Volpe engages in scum theater this way, so one of you are town at least

OK. AT LEAST one is Town is a good start. Now how would you rate the chances of TvS as opposed to TvT? Which is more likely? And why?

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I think you're just scum but trying to explain it in a level headed way to people is less effective than just actually keep high-lightining it.

That’s how you know I’m town.

Go look at Mafia a la mode. I’m not level headed like that.

Now go look at any of my arguments with RC. I’m always completely level headed town, at least for the first 35 pages of it.

I’m just a level headed.

Stop fucking meta'ing your bloody self. It makes me want to demote my read on you already. I guess I've seen (and been scum with) FL once too many that this shit ain't gonna fly on me.

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Btw I think Gammagooey is a pretty towny slot

I wish people would state some kind of

reasoning

when they stated their reads. (This way it may help someone else see it their way, or point out what they thought was wrong in it).

FTR, I have no read on gooey yet

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Trying to throw other stuff out there so this day doesn't become a circlejerk

I mean, don't get me wrong.. I appreciate the notion. I just need some more details attached to the read so I can evaluate the situation and decide how much I agree.

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Trying to throw other stuff out there so this day doesn't become a circlejerk

Well to be honest I am waiting for the reaction of some slots to this whole discussion before making my next move.

that's wise and it may get you a town point, but I still don't trust you. Is that bad?

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Btw I think Gammagooey is a pretty towny slot

I feel this

OK, so it's me that's being blind to the light. I had better go ask skitter/jjh/Amrun if they have any reliable tells on gooey.

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@FL why did you jump from FoS on chenn to a hard attack on someone who voted him?

Ok I can't resist:

He has a red role pm.

Hey, man. Take a deep breath and say "Woosah!". 'K? You cool? Now imagine a hypothetical world where you and FL both had received GREEN role PMs. Are you with me? Now WHO is SCUM? Who is taking advantage of the situation? Who is trying to hide> Who is fence-sitting this? Who is trying to pour more fuel on the fire?

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I'm kinda.. not liking davesaz so far. Something doesn't feel right. I have yet to put my hand on it though.

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Also EoP 22 amd I'm kinda gonna take it a bit slower here (doing other stuff IRL)

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Oh, I think I got it. I am seeing posts from dave more often than I'm used to. None of them is scummy by itself, but overall it all feels like "hiding behind someone else" rather than doing his own push/analysis. Still not a strong lead, but a lead none-the-less.

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I don't think you get what I say.
Implications aside, I confirmed my existence in the hood because it had to be confirmed to show that what you just did was something only scum would do.

One question: How do you team members feel about this? Do they SR nomnom too?

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I also believe it's healthy to lynch nomnom because of that if anyone is wondering.

She like, clearly knew the implication but still tried to shade it.

I really think it's something scum!nomnom would do.

Actually, same question to you, but I don't know who your team is (I'll check later).

And the reason I ask is because your teams should know more here than us, since you probably tell them what exactly is happening in the hood too, with timestamps and all.

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They think it’s Nomnom and myself.

Oh. I guess I didn't get to that point yet then

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@Skitter’s teammate - Ask them off this is true or not.

You really think I need to ask skitter about you???

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and I'm not convinced people haven't been scumreading farkran because of playstyle

Which reminds me: Where did he go? Did he post anything in the 30yish pages?? Remains to be seen

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and I'm not convinced people haven't been scumreading farkran because of playstyle

Farkran is hard town for us.

I know I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but WHY?

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I'd like some pressure applied to DEB. That slot has no mention in anyone's readlist. Not ONE.

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I don't think you get what I say.
Implications aside, I confirmed my existence in the hood because it had to be confirmed to show that what you just did was something only scum would do.

and if there's scum in it, then it's gif*

Actually, I am with chenn on this one. If there's scum in Volp/FL/nom I'd say it's nom. If there's scum in GIF/Volpe/nom it'd still be nom. That is not saying I have a confident SR on nom, but I TR the other 3 more.

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Why is 606 even there????

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I don't think you get what I say.
Implications aside, I confirmed my existence in the hood because it had to be confirmed to show that what you just did was something only scum would do.

You know what? By the end of page 36 U have Volpe and chenn added to the solid TRs list that I'd be willing to be the game on.

Reminder: That lost only had FL's name on it previously. Now it's of 3.

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OK.. this is weird!

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Wow! I read 22 pages!!!

I will no take a break & come back to start at the top of page 38

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Glad we got some content of maria which looks of value so far.

Maria/A50/gammagoey/anyone else, can you talk more about daves? I notice that he is building up wagon potential, but i fail to see why. Can you read first paragraph of 834 and tell me why i am wrong? So far it looks like all your daves reads are gutbased, but when more than 4 people are gut-scumreading someone that i don't, i get the feeling i am either missing something or dealing with scum.

First and foremost: WHAT'S WITH POST 606 GETTING AUTOMATICALLY QUOTED IN MY POSTS? I've had to remove the quote for the 4th/5th time now!

As for 834, the post you are referencing (by dave) is totally NAI. It could easily have come from Scum!him trying to sling mud at Town!FL all the same. Like, that's EXACTLY what I'm saying. He is NOT making stances, but is rather using pointers and testing the waters to see where he should be pushing.

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Like, I'm not positive or even close, but usually when dave is town I feel it early enough and I defend him it sometimes looks suspicious.

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I don't think you get what I say.
Implications aside, I confirmed my existence in the hood because it had to be confirmed to show that what you just did was something only scum would do.

A50 what's your history with reading Flavor.

How many times you've correctly or incorrectly read scum him? (I don't really care that much about how you read town flavor)

That's the problem. I usually end up SRing FL (or at least paranoid about him) regardless of his alignment. So, when I say I'm not ponged by him here it really is an exception to mist -if not all- our previous encounters (except for that one time we actually rolled Masons. I didn't SR him there!)

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@GIF: Lay off with that 606 of yours!

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um. no shit sherlock? he's got 3 posts that say nothing game-related. of course nobody has a read on him yet. if it was a real life week into the game then yeah that'd be shitty but we're two days in and two people spamposted for 13 pages in a day. also technically Deas mentioned him but it's probably after where you had read up to at the time.

Do you know DEB? No? Then SHUT UP, and let me do my play.

Note: If DEB flips red gooey is 95% his partner. I'm shitting you NOT. Eventually, gooey's even going to BUS the shit out of DEB if they're scum together, so DO NOT FALL FOR IT.

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Actually,

VOTE: DEB

Let's see what Mr shitpants has to say about it.

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but also you mentioned you were townreading FL - do you also townread volpe? Or are you just trying to get him to think in a similar headspace you're in regarding FL-town? (or did you ask this for another reason I'm not thinking of)

"Talk to the hand" is all I'm going to say here. You read my ISO and you make whatever conclusions you want to make out of it. Just don't talk to me directly for the rest of the game.

FTR: I hate old-fart semi-retired players coming out from their tombs and trying to impose their outdated measures from whatever prehistorical era they've lived in on our modern game. It's smug and arrogant to say the very least, and I don't want to get banned over it, so park your vote on me but don't talk to me.

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Why do you believe there's scum in that hood

This goes with the "mathematics" in my last post.
I'm intentionally limiting the knowledge of the math I'm using to those who already know it, which may or may not include scum but certainly is a subset of the player list as long as nobody goes flapping their gums about it.

Sp. you're playing a cautious game not to let scum take advantage? I could buy that!

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I just don't know if it helps scum more than town to go into this. Scum already know the actual distribution. It might help town to know the theoretical limits of the distribution but explaining it might give scum a roadmap on how to fake their way around it. I tend to err on the side of caution in these circumstances. If we know a hood, and there is scum in that hood, it's mathematically superior to lynch that scum than it is to lynch an unknown from an unknown hood. Notice the conditionals there. This principle applies only if we know the hood members, and only if one of them is scum. Any town lynch from any hood containing scum harms us badly. Mislynches are extremely bad unless scum started out insanely weak.

I would need to look back to see if I screwed up what I wrote when I said I'd like to lynch scum from that hood, or if the conditionals didn't stick.

Pedit: Oh, a shot at bragging rights. Fine, I'm not being obtuse, I really am a computer scientist / mathematician with more than 50 patents (rough equivalent to about 3 dissertations worth of stuff though I haven't bothered to get the pretty heavy degree).

Again, you could've tried to explain that earlier so that guys like myself -who falsely pretend to know you well enough- would not be taken aback with the sudden change of posting style.

OK, dave might be town after all.

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A counter argument though: Scum already knowing the distribution (and abilities of their own hoods) are going to either wipe out the other hoods or gain control of the important abilities of hoods they're in. You're not exactly denying them much with your approach, and it could result in the loss of 3 townies (id they all are) while Scum still take advantage of their knowledge elsewhere.

But, that's just me brainfarting towards my sleeping time, so don't mind me.

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@gooey: I'm sorry I blasted, but I did indeed take that "no shit. Sherlock" as an insult. It felt as if you were mocking me for bringing up DEB's non-existence (and I know he can be more than chatty if he wanted to).

As for Velxen, Elements (and others) they

have been

mentioned in some readlists. I may not agree with the reads themselves, but the fact someone got a read on the slot is good enough at this point. DEB on the other hand is the only slot nobody's talking to/about at all.

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Also, tyhanks to gooey/dave. The 606 quote seems to have vanished.. for now

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@gooey: Since you're at it. could you please explain -in more details- wjat it is exactly that you don't like about my posts? I am puzzled, because the first mention of it came at a time I wasn't even posting for real yet, and it was carried out to when I started posting and providing reads.

I currently have Volpe, chenn & FL as strong TRs, but I also have TRs on Ank, Deasvail, GIF, and -most recently added- davesaz.

Everyone else I am not yet sure of, some due to lack of enough content to judge by, some die to paranoia (prime example: Maria), and some due to not knowing them to begin with (You know, sometimes what is a scumtell for one person is actually a towntell for another).

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Pedit: I believe I said that I had noticed DEB's absence. I haven't given a readslist...

Yup. That's what I'm saying. Not a single

read

on the slot. Someone said Volxen was Town, and I didn't know why, but that's a start. Nobody said DEB was anything. Hence the poke.

Also worth noting (after I finally decided to check) that nobody on Volxen's team is a Scum genius. Nancy, Auro & Aris are all better Town players (well, Aris is better 3P, but still..) which means we -at least- don't need to worry about his team coaching him. DEB has Titus in his team. Enough said.

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@gooey: Since you're at it. could you please explain -in more details- wjat it is exactly that you don't like about my posts? I am puzzled, because the first mention of it came at a time I wasn't even posting for real yet, and it was carried out to when I started posting and providing reads.

I didn't really like your opening to the game - your #15 (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11477725) has you voting GIF for a semi-serious reason that I have a hard time parsing whether it's just supposed to be a funny RVS poke or as close to a 'real' reason to vote someone as you're gonna find on page 1, and your other two posts (thinking the game would be relaxed and complaining to GIF to change his avatar) seem like they're bouncing between unserious and serious in a way that just doesn't feel super natural to me.

More recently, I don't like that you seem really hesitant when mentioning scumreads - your #1010 mentioning dave is qualified with it being a 'lead' instead of more plainly stating that you think the feeling you get from him of "hiding behind someone else" is scummy and your nom scumread is only in comparison to other people involved in the conversation/neighborhood in your #1093 (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11484825).
Like it is still early game to be fair but it feels like what I expect lurky scum to do - to not make big waves by scumreading people and pushing them (since they'd have to start posting a lot more if they got pushback on it and step up a bit into the spotlight) and just bring up townreads instead.

1- Has it ever occurred to you that I am Town!hunting instead of Scum!hunting? This maybe the reason why you think my SRs are "hesitant" because I am mainly poking and observing certain slots to see if I can trust them.

2- Please go read any 3 games of mine (just pick 3 random games) and see how I start the game. My start here is totally NAI regardless of my role, my alignment, or even the players list.

3- Another point that bugs me is I feel you are trying to shut me off. Silence me. You accused me of being a lurker/not posting enough, but when I started posting you still attacked me and

ignored the other lurking slots

, and even defended one (DEB).

4- "it feels like what I expect lurky scum to do". Now tell me why DEb ot Volxen or <insert a name of a low poster of your choice> is NOT what you expect lurky scum to do.

5- And this is in no way a defence, but you really don't want me to spam, and I had decided not to on TM. If I wanted to be trolly, I probably would have had like 100+ posts by now, and 80% of them would have been sarcasm and/or playing with words. That would not have created a healthy environment for this game, so I decided to tone it down and be a bit more serious. (Just ask the people who know me how I can be a pain when I want to "have fun". But I already stated Winning >>> Having fun in the competition). Afain, you can ifnore this point if you decide to respond as it's not directly game-related, but more of a "personality introduction".

Also, one of my TRs in compromised (due to team feedback) but I won't say who or why at this point.

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Spoiler: Totally irrelevant

Just tried to see which teams have members that can read me to any degree of accuracy. I am going to use the player's name in this game rather than the official team name for ease.

Ank: claims to have a higher than average knowledge of my play. Also tw cna read me, although he tends to Sr me, but I'll take it.

DEB: None of his team can really read me to any degree of precision.

FL: Although ALL of them know me well enough, FL himself knows me the best, so he doesn't even need to consult them.

dave: dave knows me. EJ knows me. But Gamma Emerald knows me the best.

chenn: I think chenn is the best of his team at reading me.

Volxen: Nancy is the one who knows me best. I am sure -if she is reading this- she's already wondering why I haven't crumbed, and why am I not posting images and videos for memes.

nomnom: I dunno if modding me gave non any clue. Other than that I don't think that team knows how to read my play.

Maria: Oh, my beloved Maria. Her and Dunn will SR me by default, but I think she learnt to control it some. (I also Sr them both be default if I am not approaching them with utmost care)

Gammagooey: None of his team knows me. I suspect hito & Kitty never even heard of me.

DeasVail: Ceph will give you a SR on me first, then will think about it.

kuribo: Gun to my head I'd say Xtoxm is the one who knows me best (although mastina will always try to argue against that)

GIF: It used to be RC could rad me like the palm of his hand, nut not anymore. I'd say NSG knows me well, except it has been ages since we last played intensively together (we did play once of late, but it helped I was already being myself even from before she replaced in. I even had crumbed my role as a VT in that game, which is something only I would do.. I think.

Elements: Nobody there knows me well enough

Volpe: ofrhz & PK know me, I think. Not sure about teacher.

EP: Surprisingly, I played more often with the members of this team of late, but I don't think any of them can read me well enough. Maybe bob, but don't quote me on it

Farkran: I don't even know anyone form that team. I haven't had the pleasure of having any finished games with any of them (not sure about Dongempire, but I only recall the name but not a game)

So, why am I doing this? I already told you it was totally irrelevant. I am just a bit bored waiting on family to drop by for dinner, and -also- watching a football game where we are losing after having taken the lead, so just killing time + letting off some anexiety.

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Update: vex, fl, and nom, and maybe elements are all trs (by skitter)

My comment: Gosh, I must be blind. I dunno why non or elements are town here, but I trust skitter. Vex is a weak TR of mine. Like, very weak. FL is the only one I trust to be town on that list.

@Gooey: The dave progression read is already documented in my most recent posts. Ank because she's being vocal and has the guts to oppose others reads with some confidence. Deas I recall liking one of his earlier partial readlists. (769). There are also some reads that maybe influenced by (a) something a teammate of mine said in the TM PT, or (b) a consensus of my stronger TRs in the game.

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My team might not know you well enough, but we are all experienced stalkers.

You bloody reading a spoiler that's marked TOTALLY IRRELEVANT proves you are closely following the game, so why are you not responding to anything else or trying to poke anyone?? I find it hard got someone who claims not to be reading the game to go .. "This is totally irrelevant. COOL.. Let me read it AND comment on it".

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Ehh people jumping on nomnom is giving me the creeps bois

I told you this yesterday.

People are waiting for one person to jump in, then scums will profit to pile on and I will be history in a few posts. That's always how it goes. I did tell you that the fact that nobody voted me back then is weird, and that's why.

I am a mislynch bait in this gamestate and you should know this already.

Who are you calling scum that are piking on you specifically?

Note: The reason I'm not voting you myself is skitt's read on you. I am leaning Scum on you, but she is leaning Town. On D1 I will trust skitter's reads over my own. She only got to page 20 or so though.

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I still want to poke the lower posters sooner than later. It is usually the case that some scum are active and blending, while some take a back seat and watch while the more active layers tear each other apart. Usually the active scums are the ones with character and can produce content and even take some pressure without falling apart. The silent ones are the ones more prone to slip or break under pressure, so safer to keep quiet for as long as they can.

We can always come back to where each of us is right now in like 96 hours, but for the duration of those 96 hours we should all be trying to force the low posters to come play the game so we have a better idea on the whole thing not just the players in the spotlight.

Now can we build wagons on the silent ones with the threat that a wagon may actually lead to a lynch if they don't provide a good reason not to?

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Elements wagon is right there so...???

I don't mind that

VOTE: Elements

Although I beg to differ on the scumminess level. My Scum-o-eter explided already when I tried to gauge DEB's scumminess.

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Elements: When/If I ever have the time, I think I'm going to make a study on your playing style. I never understand you, man.

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kuribo -

3rd Party

???

Do we even know there is a 3P aligned slot in this game? And even if we do.. how can you tell this is it on D1?

OK, that was rhetoric. I know it won't get responded to in a way that my monkey brain can handle, but I think you can -at least- tell us if this is your own readlist or if you got help from your team.

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It's my birthday tomorrow so I'm quite excitable atm

OK, happy birthday. I'll let you be for the next 24 hours (but only because it's not nice to ruin a guy's birthday)

VOTE: DEB

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I have played two games with chenn as town, that I remember at least which could mean I've played 9 with him who knows. The first was undertale where he went full on try hard as town leader controlling the game state etc. and haunted house when he didn't post as much and was more of a reactive player. This game fits neither of those.

You just told us he has different playing styles as the same alignment. Why can't this be town him playing in a different style you didn't see before?

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A50 you're cute

Thanks (I think 30 years ago that could've made me blush, but when was the last time you saw a 52 y.o. blush??)

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@Monkey: There are a few things happening right now why are you voting DEB out of all people?

I was on Elements, but it's his birthday, so I went back to my self-proclaimed DEB push. Do you have better ideas as of whom to vote

right now

?

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@A50 while you are here can you answer me about why skitter townreads nom?

She didn't elaborate, but I can tell you all of her TRs (on nom, FL, Vex & Elements) are conditional. I don't think it's in town's best interest to state the condition at this time, but it will probably be exposed before D1 is over.

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This is a more eloquent and wordy way of saying we should lynch the lurkers.

I didn't say that though. I said pressure them under the threat that if they don't come play properly they would be lynched. It's far too early to decide on a lynch and end the day still.

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Ok I'm amusing myself at this point but if it's the case it's still true

Well, she only read up to page 20, and yes it's you. She says you're acting much like C9++ when you were hard pocketing tw. I don't necessarily agree, but -as I said- I trust her reads over mine early game, so I kinda decided I don't want to lynch in your hood today.

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I'm kind of confused why Dave has really only received flak from me and Volpe, really.

Guys over 50 tend to stick together.

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May I remind everybody that this is a game of 4-headed hydras in spirit? The way I look at TM is several games (5 this year) going on with 4-geaded hydras playing them, but only one head is allowed to post.

What this means is I would request each and every one of us to consult their teammates and give us their input (more eyes/opinions should increase our chances to win. You can fool me, but you can't fool skitts, jjh & Amrun too simultaneously).

If course, you would still be the one to make the final decision, but -even if you go against what your teammates advise you to- the rest of us are blessed with the knowledge of "someone outside the game's opinion". Someone outside the game also usually can see things we miss because they're looking at the bigger picture, and not as emotionally compromised.

Seems like a given, but I think it needed to be mentioned. I/we need to know what the others 54 players are thinking here (or at least those of them who care to play TEAM Mafia)

P.S. Volpe's avi now looking close to Chara's is getting to me. Are you trying to subconsciously pocket me, lad??

[Almost50]

commute
is
scum
sided

I agree in essence, but I also think what the last standing <flavor> gets is more important here. (Not fishing for info, so NOBODY out their hood's last standing member utility)

[Almost50]

I’m pretty good at smash.

You're even better at trolling (Now, don't get me wrong.. I still adore you, but do you have any solid reads or views on this game to share yet?)

[Almost50]

If any of the voters has a guilty, please say so. Otherwise, I don't really agree on any of them 3.

I think the Farkran kill was made for the last standing player utility, which means one of the two living players is Scum.

Vex scumleaning me here doesn't make sense to me at all. (Actually, most of his reads don't make sense to me).

My own current read list looks something like this:

Town: FL - nom - dave - kuribo - chenn - Ank

Scum (at least 3 of them): Volxen - gooey - EP - DEB

The remaining 5 are "different shades of grey". (Actually, 4 are. I have given up on truing to read Maria).

P-edit: I'll take that Vex clear from Maria with a grain of salt, provided they were not neighbors with Farkan.

[Almost50]

I think the Farkran kill was made for the last standing player utility, which means one of the two living players is Scum.

What makes you say that?

Why else would they kill Farkran over at least half of the players list? It's not like he a reputation for catching, and his team isn't the most experienced either.

[Almost50]

With that said if you're in Farkran's hood and you feel your hood's ability is very strong then out yourself.

I mean, this "could" be interpreted as fishing for info, but I'm TRing you (and so so the members if my team that cared to take a peak on this game), so I will respond with: Don't you think I would have outed already if that was the case? I mean, I think he was likely killed over an ability, and I know I'm town, so the natural thing to deduce would be that my living neighbor is Scum and I would be voting them AND out the ability.

Short answer: I am not in Farkan's hood.

[Almost50]

@nom: Oh, OK. Let's not forget English is my second language so I may misunderstand from time to time.

Btw, skitter still insists Volpe is the Scum in your hood (if her reads mean anything at all to you), nut I won't be defending GIF as I have no confident read on either of them, tbh.

[Almost50]

skitter references Open 768 and notes Volpe's play is similar to his here. She is like 80% confident he flips red here.

[Almost50]

You do as you will. I can hardly stay focused reading 2 pages of the game I'm in, then I start skimming. (Sad, because it used to be that I could read novels in one session without losing my focus.. a few decades ago)

[Almost50]

Fair enough. And I will trust your view on it.

[Almost50]

Why do you think that I'd "surely" listen to my teammates? Do I strike you like that type of a player? I mean you saw me from atop (as a mod) and I don't listen to anyone but myself.

But Volpe is in my null pile precisely because skitter is SRing him. I was TRing him before. In fact, I had edited him out from all possible teams in my spreadsheet and then had to reedit him back when she sounded so confident.

[Almost50]

Still haven't heard reasons why Espresso is town. Hint hint

You sure won't be hearing them from me. (I want to say +1 for you, but hey.. that'd ruin the long-standing |love to hate you, hate to love you" affair between us two, so I'll just nod).

[Almost50]

@Maria:

@nom:

Guys, this is TEAM MAFIA. If I was playing solo I would have just turned on my trolling ability or sat back an didn't give a fuck. But I have a team that put their faith in me to try and win this thing (i.e. this is one of the rare occasions where winning is >>>> having fun for me)

[Almost50]

Actually, let’s just have everyone vote for their preference. 1st preference, gets 1 point, 2nd 2, 3rd preference gets 3. Whoever has the least points at the end we lynch.

Commuter Lynch Preference

Flavor: Volpe, GIF, NomNom

Surprisingly, I mirror this.

[Almost50]

@FL: Why do you think Farkran was the NK?

[Almost50]

Also we have to consider that Leading Actors are still standing up despite Elements having been killed so the chance that the 2 people remaining in that hood are town or both scum are higher.

Or they don't want to risk confscumming one of them

+1

[Almost50]

Also we have to consider that Leading Actors are still standing up despite Elements having been killed so the chance that the 2 people remaining in that hood are town or both scum are higher.

Or they don't want to risk confscumming one of them

Heh sure. WIFOM though.

It's a but WIFOMY, yes.. but think about it: Elements gets modkilled on D1 and on N1 FL dies. Knowing that they were in the same hood and knowing their third is EP, who would you be moist suspicious of? Who would you want to claim both abilities? (The hood ability and the last standing player's)

Also, it could very well be that the latter isn't as important to Scum as the one from the Composers hood, so -at least- be a bit conservative handing out confident TRs based on that alone.

[Almost50]

Do you have other reasons to make you lean Town on EP/FL?

[Almost50]

Oh god NKA
someone shoot me.

You know I would have if I rolled Scum, SK or Vig.

[Almost50]

NKA ranks right down there with tea leaves

Did you mean FLAVOR leaves?

[Almost50]

or who they're really scared of.

Now THAT was my point. Farkran is

good

apparently, but does not have that resume someone like FL or kuribo gave, nor does his team has that reputation of being dangerous town players either. I mean, don't get me wrong.. it's like Leo DiCap before he made Titanic. Lots of promise but not yet actually proven. Now WHO would be afraid of him? So I guess there has to be some other motive for that specific kill.

[Almost50]

This concerns me

Tell me what doesn't and I'll post accordingly. I aim to please

precisely DV and company

[Almost50]

My townlist btw is pretty much as follows.

Pretty confident:

Davesaz
chennisden
Volpe14
Vex Vience
MariaR
kuribo

Not as confident:

Flavor Leaf
Gammagooey
Ankamius
GuyInFreezer
Volxen

(nomnomnom) - this one requires more thought before I can commit to a townread but it could end up getting there.

And then there's everyone else. None of whom I feel especially passionate about.

I want to scumread Almost50 but there's an element of oddness to his posting that gives me second thoughts. I want to scumready Espresso, but that just feels... insubstantial...

Not to be an arse, but this is literally the whole players list (still alive) minus you and DEB. Are you saying you have no SRs at all? Don't you think you

must

be doing something wrong? Should I be concerned??

[Almost50]

@a50 ill explain my reads in a bit if you want. my notes were written primarily for me to be able to make sense of the game and explain my thought process, with everyone else being able to discern something closely behind.

Still waiting for this, btw. I need to know

if you're the Cult Leader

where you're coming from

[Almost50]

In a lot of ways I do feel like A50 is an active linesman.

Great! Now take my word for it: You are on the OFFside.

[Almost50]

^This means you need to reposition yourself soon, if you are Town.

[Almost50]

what incentive does scum have to shoot the all-town hoods, knowing it’ll give them their last-man standing? wouldn’t scum want to shoot into their own hoods for it?

BINGO! Now THAT is what I'm saying about the Farkran kill. (Yes, I am nitpicking to highlight my line of thought is in there buried at the back of your minds, so I need to bring it forward for all to see it's there)

[Almost50]

i dont think scum forgets they have a factional chat.

When was the last game you played where Scum did NOT have a factional chat?? Do you think a designer would go and make a game where Scum only know their partners but can't talk to them AT ALL???

I think this whole proposition is Scum-driven because, EVEN if Scum know of -say- a list of 6 townies divided into 2 all-town hoods, they still don't know which distribution, so they still could be shooting twice in the same hood giving the last standing townie in it their standing utility.

Like, the ONLY reason I see for Scum to be shooting in an all-town hood is precisely to out the hood's utilities, and letting Scum know the distribution keeps them from shooting in that same hood tonight.

On the other hand, if I'm right about there being a Scum player in the Composers then we probably need them to out still, because that doesn't give Scum any additional info.

Now WHO is to say whether the two living composers are both Town or not? I guess THEY should be the judges on that, and they take full responsibility for it post-game (credit or disgrace).

[Almost50]

Btw my scumdar is pinging and it is pointing to volxen

Are yuou reading MY team's PT???

[Almost50]

Scum just doesn't know the distribution.

Exactly. Now let's keep it this way, I say.

[Almost50]

Actually, fuck it:

VOTE: EP

My most confident SR at the moment, and I think if you reread his posts of today you'd deduce there are exactly 4 scums (i.e. we have TWO all-town hoods).

I was lowkey considering there might be 5 with nerfed powers, but if that was the case then Scum already know ALL the hoods from the start. Now it's 4 (or maybe 3 with real power to them).

Note: Nobody tell me the scum team can't be of only 3 in a game this size. FG's Detective Penguin was a 17-players game with a 3-members Scum team

and no 3P

[Almost50]

I don't like the whole "We should just out all the group stuff." Fun Fact, in two of the three previous Gay Mafia games, the scumteam had most of the town's claims by Day 2 because town just kept blurting them out like dummies.

this is why kuribo is Town, btw. I do not exactly agree with many of his stances, but they seem to come from a townie-mindser never-the-less. This one I do agree with.

[Almost50]

i spent all of day one half-asleep and high on cough syrup while seriously considering asking my team to replace me

i'd have been really really surprised if I'd been NK'd

Mate, if I was Scum that's all the more reason to off you before you get rolling. It would be a low-info kill that cannot be traced to anyone in particular, and it takes out one of the "Old Guards" and their team.

[Almost50]

looks like I sacred everyone away. OK.. I'll shut up. Please post your views.

[Almost50]

This isn’t helpful. It never will be helpful. What exactly is the goal of this vote? To commute scum? Hint: Scum won’t do the kill with any of their scum teammates in this list. To protect a player? Hint: Scum won’t kill anyone in it either. Like, this is just taking a power and making it useless when the best way to use this is to shut up and do it silently. If scum is in the hood oh well the power is pretty useless already. If not you’re making it useless.

You are indeed reading your on game. It says right there it's a Commuters LYNCH vote. We are voting WHO TO LYNCH from that pool, not whom to commute! Also, they can't self-target.

[Almost50]

Hot take: Maria is TOWN (but I'll deny I ever said that if asked for an official statement)

[Almost50]

I get that you think I'm scum, but can you pretend I'm town for a moment and walk me through your reasoning?

If there were 5 scums then you already know who the 3 players in the all-town hood are. I did reconsider 4 though and said there may only be 3 scums with lots of power based on a recent game I was in.

The thing is Town does NOT benefit AT ALL from outing the distribution of the hoods. Like, what would it change for you -assuming you're town like you requested- to know X, Y & Z are grouped together? Would it make any of them look townier/scummier to you? I don't think it would. It just gives scum a missing part of the puzzle they're not yet privy to. At least that's the way I see it.

So, basically: You argue that scum already know and I argue they probably don't. You argue that it doesn't hurt the town and I say it doesn't benefit the town.

[Almost50]

I think you might be assuming a max of 1 scum can be in any given hood.

I am fairly confident of it, and I have my reasons:

1- I was in a game that was close enough to this design recently.
2- Putting 2 scums in a 3-players hood with a "last standing man ability" sounds a bit silly. It's as if the designer wanted to reward scum for busing (or compensate them if one of them got lynched). "Hey, you lost a comrade, so take this ability to compensate for it".
3- Also 2 scums in a hood makes it an all-scum hood in practice. The hood's ability is decided by voting, so scum will always have the majority in said hood (and will never need to kill their town neighbor unless one of them got lynched/vigged)

Consider #3 for the outed abilities: 2 scums would be able to make a 3rd scum (not in their hood) untargetable, or they would make a townie that's likely to vote one of them voteless. See why it's an absurd proposition to have a 2s-1t hood in this setup?

Unless -if course- we are being trolled and there is an all-scum hood + 1 scum in one of the other 5 hoods, in which case your proposition to out the distribution becomes even more destructive to town.

[Almost50]

In a 1t2s hood if scum use the ability unwisely in a way the town can detect, it's at least one guilty. So strategy is non-obvious even in the stacked scum hood.

What if they killed their Town Neighbor on N1??

[Almost50]

anyway let's talk about anything that's not outing hoods

such as the weather, what you had for breakfast, etc etc

Weather is cold, and I can't be bothered to try and remember what I ate for breakfast.

[Almost50]

So I feel scum are scum reading EP so they can kill me tonight, and get rid of that Last Man Standing

1- If EP is Town then Scum don't know what the Last Man Standing power of your hood is
2- You do realize there's a hood that can make you a COMMUTER, eight?

Next

[Almost50]

it's obvious Fakran died for a reason

Was it a gunshot, perhaps?

[Almost50]

they called me a punk in there and I didn’t like it and it hurt my feelings.

Is this the important information...?

Very much so.

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

Smart design would say that a hood has 2 scums.

But I'm not the one that designed this so...

You're not by any chance trying to imply that you're smart, are you? (Just a friendly poke, no offense)

News Flash: skitter is doing against me in the PT, as she thinks EP is Town. And now I dunno whether I should trust in me or in her.

[Almost50]

Just checking...

Yup. It's the same shitfest I was expecting to come to..

Carry on

[Almost50]

Let's take a closer look on some slots (and -of course- skitter is helping a LOT with meta reads):

Volxen is SCUM

: According to skitter; Scum!Volxen pops in and makes tangentially related posts that really have very little to do with the meat of the game. He doesn't really know how to keep up or engage in real time or like follow-through with anything.

Town!him doesn't do that, and he's doing just that in this game.

EP is still a TR for skitter (I still hard disagree, nut I've got to be a team player and -at least- convey the message).

Volpe is still scummy, and she noted that in post #249 Elements naked voted Volpe, and Volpe immediately started pocketing Elements (#250 & #253). Elements appears to be pocketed in #255 and is asking Volpe whom to vote for, but instead of leading; Volpe waits for Elements to vote Farkran (#262) to immediately sheep (#264). and proceed to make Elements his top TR (#265)

Accordingly, I am going to park my vote on Volxen for todaym as he;s the one both I and skitter do agree on. EP I SR and she TRs, and Volpe she SRs and I have a Town lean on still.

Catching up slowly as we speak (really slow internet here now. Almost as slow as the dial-up connection used to be)

[Almost50]

Did I really fucking post all that shit and forget to actually vote Volxen????

VOTE: Volxen

[Almost50]

Spoiler: A message to NOM from skitter

skitter says to to look at good jams mafia (where she was a jk and you were scum). She says to specifically read wobat's posts by the Volxen head, and how skitter reacted to them all.

skitter is also baffled Ank is not seeing/pushing this,

[Almost50]

Volxen is SCUM: According to skitter; Scum!Volxen pops in and makes tangentially related posts that really have very little to do with the meat of the game. He doesn't really know how to keep up or engage in real time or like follow-through with anything. Town!him doesn't do that, and he's doing just that in this game.

This makes me believe that your slot is town. Even though Skitter's conclusion is incorrect, I can see why she would arrive at that conclusion based on Good Jams Mafia, where she played against scum!me. She is correct in that I struggled with keeping up and engaging in real time in that game. What her read isn't taking into account is that that has also been in the case in multiple town games where I got mislynched for similar reasons. But that isn't something that I would expect Skitter to know as she hasn't been in any on my town games where I got mislynched. Her experience with me has been primarily Good Jams Mafia (where I was scum) and 911: What's Your Emergency? (where I was town), and based on that I can see this as being a thought process that town!Skitter would have.

OK, I am now exclusively a mailman between skitter and some of you (I will be back in 48 hrs max).

skitter said to tell you she was referring to skygazer's pokemon game where she was scum with you, and you posted less than a handful of posts (she's unsure if she was your scum p or you hydra p)

She also asks why is it that you only talk about how people are reading you and nothing else? She wants a readlist from you for starters.

[Almost50]

VOTE: nomnomnom

Stop! Just stop right there. Vote Volxen with us. Be productive. If not, then at least don't be the throne in my side.

I have been fighting tooth and nail to sway skitter away from you for a while now, but with your actions and their justifications I am afraid I am losing that debate real bad right now.

Listen, we are NOT lynching in that hood today. Period. Ig you are Scum and want nomnom dead soon you'd have to shoot her at night. (And the same applies to nom if she wants Ank dead soon enough).

And since I'm at it: nom is starting to come out a winner in this face-off between her and Ank. At least nom is playing ball and trying to work with other players in the game, not to derail any collective group effort by going against the grain just to appear like she has a different opinion. (Sorry if that sounds harsh, but really.. be a team player or go sit on the sidelines).

Thank you

[Almost50]

VOTE: nomnomnom

Let's do it!

VOTE: nomnomnom

Please don't add more fuel to the fire. I mean, I still somehow have a Town Lean on you (despite the fact having too many TRs is usually a scumtell, because scum struggle to find fake reasons to SR/suspect someone they know is Town, are too afraid to go out of their way and move into the center of the stage, and they want to buddy-buddy with everyone so as not to have as many foes). I say, despite all that I still SOMEHOW lean Town on you, so please don't trigger my paranoia (which usually gets triggered when we run in circles and have no red flips).

[Almost50]

I don't think nomnom/volxen is SvS therefore if volxen is ever the scum slot in that duality, I don't want to get it wrong because I feel like today lynch is going to determine a lot of what happens in day 3. I want the replacement to actually play the game. Replace him with someone that can be minimally active at least, we've enough low posters in this large game.

I like your talk more than your action!! If you truly believe in what you say above, then why the hell are you voting nomnom already? Has the replacement for Colxen even been introduced yet, let alone post?? Have you decided that when they do step in they're going to be townie enough for you to decide nom is the scum of the two? I don't get the vote AND the talk in the very same post!!

[Almost50]

@Ank:

I don't see anyone else asking what my post meant, so I guess it's you and your team that have a problem there.

Fortunately for you, I'm in a relatively good mood, so I'll be kind and explain it as if you were 4 years, 11 months and 29 days old!

We had a wagon building up on Volxen. One that has been pocking up momentum. One that has been mainly advised by skitter who also put the blame on you for not pushing that.

And -all of a sudden- your high school crush on nomnom is back in town and you have all the hots for it once more.

In other words, the timing of you reigniting your love-hate affair with nom doesn't bode well with me. It looks very much like a deliberate attempt to suck the power from the Volxen wagon and redirect it to a nomnom wagon instead. It feels like you are shielding Volxen by pushing nom again at this precise time.

Now if you still don't get it, I'd probably still could try to target your brain at a lower age..

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

Why are we talking about my discussion with Ank like it's a lesbian porn scene about to blow up wtf a50

Hold on hold on hold on... I better go slip into my AP suit if I'm gonna be watching this.

[Almost50]

Towns are too timid these days. That's why bad scum players win games despite being flagrant.

In my day I'd hammer a null read without warning before the mod could replace him and the town would cheer

Personally, I blame it on the political correctness BS!

[Almost50]

There's no reason to start with volxen instead of starting with us and resolving this tension first. It would let the game flow a lot better.

Don't worry. As soon as the night begins, I'm going to roll back to a game where I actually rolled Vig or SK, and I'm going to "murderize your ass" (said in a Bambi Jay accent). Just vote Volxen and regardless of his flip I will relief you from your pain real soon.

[Almost50]

<skim.. skim.. skip.. skip.. skip... HOLD> That's a gammagooey post. OK.. let me get back to reading

[Almost50]

Volpe14 | Nicki Minaj |

Town Leading Actress

| Forced Out of Contention for the Job (Killed) N2

There's your fucking proof nomnom is Town. (You know who you are). nom would have NEVER made that kill given the current fame state.

[Almost50]

If you sons of bitches think making me voteless is gonna shut me up after I got 3P blood on my hands, y'all don't know kuribo




I told you that shit wasn't town, kiss the fuckin ring

I'm with you.

VOTE: Ank

I told Ank and chenn that if they silence you that I'm outing my hood. We are the hood that got it's abilities exposed at the start of D2. The last standing ability is obviously the Vigilante, so THAT (and tbh ONLY THAT) is what made me think this had to be an all-Town hood, because I didn't see the Mods giving Scum an extra kill when they manage to kill/lynch 2 Townies.

ALSO, Ank was furious and and accused me to have redirected the lynch off -my scum p- nom. I told her skitter's read was still valid as Creature (Volxen) flipped NOT Town, and she said she didn't care.

chenn on the other hand has been looking for any reason at all to call me scum. I think he is Town still (stupid, but Town), but it got me furious I told them I won't be posting in the hood anymore unless it was to say who I was voting to become voteless (btw, I submitted Ank's name as I told her I would). They both opted to silence kuribo, and I lowkey think Ank wanted to get him mad to obfuscate the game status more. She explicitly said she was silencing him so he doesn't go after her. What intrigues me is why chenn seemed to agree.

As I said, I told them both that if kuribo was silenced then I'd be outing the hood, and -again- the stupid Townie of the two said it was OK because I was scum anyway.

I would lynch Ank today, and if either I/chenn got killed at any point the other should be lynched the very next day.

[Almost50]

the hood i am in, volpe said chennisden is lock town and to lynch nom/kuribo/FL if volpe died.

and volpe died. what does it mean?

Obviously that YOU are the Scum of the 3. How does nom even think of killing Volpe if he said to lynch her if he died? How would she even consider killing him when half the players already wanted her head anyway, while the other half were either unsure or saying it's Volpe who was scum? Does she give the half that SRs more motive to come after her and the other half proof Volpe wasn't scum????

[Almost50]

Nomnom or FB should be the lynch today.

If not either of them, let’s go Chennis.

FL, are you scum? I mean, if you are I white flag. I know I won't be able to lynch you.

If you're Town though, tell me how chenn looks worse than Ank here. Also tell me what the fuck was nom thinking killing Volpe of all people, and especially so when he had said to lynch her next if he died in the PT they both sharem which FB has just reported?

I mean, judging by THIS GAME I could see GIF/FB as a scum slot, but the NSG flip makes it a bit less likely. I mean, how likely is it for a team to roll 2 scum roles anyway? What's the probability?

[Almost50]

I’ve kind of semi put together who is in this neighborhood, so they took your vote away which is also kind of town indicative on your slot.

I knew most people would have thought that, but did you not notice none of the other hoods abilities has been outed by the mod? It was the doing of someone (probably a 1-shot though because I'll be damned if the Mods gave scum the power to out ALL hoods publicly).

Btw, U posted something about Farkan in this thread, and chenn misread it and asked why I was pretending Farkan was in our hood. On the other hand I posted something else (I don't even remember which post) and Ank said that was giving away that we share a hood (I didn't see how that could be, and I still don't)

Also, EP was the one who appeared to have totally believed that was Farkan's hood exposed (and now FL) so if either is Scum then the action/ability that caused the exposure isn't targeted (i.e. didn't target any particular player).

[Almost50]

VOTE: Firebringer

Convenient time to disappear.

I like this vote. (But I still want to work out the probability of one team rolling 2 scum roles).

[Almost50]

My group targeted GIF slot last night.

Nothing else to be said on that.

Considering we don't even know what your hood does I don't see the point of you saying that at all.

[Almost50]

Oh and btw a big reason I townread Ank was ~hood stuff~

What bloody hood stuff?

Here are the contents of our hood:

Spoiler: Every single detail from our hood paraphrased

Ank:

greetings

chenn:

greetings

A50:

which of you is scum?

chenn:

is the power of the hood compulsive? If so I want you to declare who you are using it on

A50:

It isn't, but if one of us votes then that's it. The role PM says we can abstain, but we have to all do that so there won't be a pool for the mod to randomize from.

chenn:

I thought he would randomize from the living players if we all abstain

A50:

It says from the voted players

Ank:

I rolled scum. But I really think we are all town because if the Vig ability

chenn:

...

chenn:

it's likely we're all town

A50:

good point @Ank

A50:

Where is the main thread?

chenn:

we should treat this hood as a masonry

Ank:

I intend to post more in the hood and in my team's pt than in the actual game thread

chenn:

getting wagoned

Ank:

up your game

chenn:

half the player list saw me last as scum

chenn:

I changed my avi out of boredom

Ank:

I like mine

chenn:

more about avi ,, what next.. no I'll keep this.. etc.

chenn:

not outing this hood

chenn:

Volpe is likely scum, but U am not confident

A50:

25 pages in the main thread already??

A50:

If you can read kuribo please do and let me know. Also Ank should read Maria for me because I always SR her

Ank:

I'll give it a shot

chenn:

we should silence a lurker, probably the one with the least post count

Ank:

I wanted Maria for a neighbor. It would have been easier to sort her.

A50:

(relaying a message from jjh) chenn is a fool to have assumed the wordings of all role PMs are similar and outing his. He is also likely Town. Ank though should try to provide keywords from hers to verify she got the same format

A50:

so far skitter/Amrun have not even read anything from this game

chenn:

I think the same format is a given so we can't catch scum on a technicality

chenn:

I like my avi

chenn:

more talk about the avi

Ank:

I'll do the keywords when I'm on a PC

chenn:

This may be against the rules

A50:

Ok, NVM.

A50:

skitter suspects Volpe for playing similar to our recent game where he was scum (link provided)

chenn:

I don't think this is scum Volpe

Ank:

his case is bad

chenn:

I want dave over Volpe/nom

Ank:

I no longer SR Volpe

chenn:

the players don't mesh together well in this game

Ank:

maybe that's why I can't find my tune into the game

chenn:

I like my avi

A50:

dave is a town lean because I now know where he's coming from. I am leaning nom scum, but skitter says Volpe is, but I don't want to lynch in that hood because they can make someone totally untargetable, so it's dangerous to randomize it if we mislynch

A50:

I want to push DEB and maybe Volxen for content. I know it's early but I would not oppose the lynch of Volxen/Maria/kuribo/Elements/Espresso/gooey/DEB unless new content changes that

chenn:

I am skeptical of you, A50. You are correct but only id you are town

A50:

you always suspect me, so what's new?

A50:

Did you see the subtle shade on my slot by EP?

A50:

DEB/EP/gooey is my current scum pool. Maria/Volxen/kuribo are my nulls. I still suspect nom but with no confidence

A50:

Elements is not group scum, and is probably town

chenn:

I'll respond to you in a bit

chenn:

I didn't get any string feelings from EP's post. It feels he's taking the long route to say what he wants to say

Ank:

Why did EP ask for my best games when Menalque is on his team?

A50:

skitter has a confident TR on Vex

chenn:

this game sucks. I am voting DEB to be voteless. Also the Elements mod-kill says Ank should not provide keywords from her role PM

chenn:

I am no counting this game towards my stats

chenn:

I am not yet convinced dave is town, but I am not as hard SRing him anymore

chenn:

message for dave to read post-game

chenn:

my team is upset and wants my attention on other games

editorial note: [p[s was on chenn's team and flipped red

chenn:

my team is debating what anime to watch

chenn:

if I'm the NK I have a message for you to deliver

(then 3 posts I could not comprehend)

Ank:

Farkan is annoying me, so I will also concentrate on other games

chenn:

pops SRs Volpe

Ank:

I'd be surprised if he is scum

A50:

I had no internet since I last posted in the main thread, so I was lucky that mod-kill happened at that time.

A50:

skitter is confident Volxen is scum, and the Elements flip only served to increase her suspicion of Volpe

A50:

I will also silence DEB

A50:

if pops also SRs Vople then the last standing one of us should probably shoot him?

chenn:

Who is Ank voting to become voteless?

Ank:

Farkan (to confirm myself)

A50:

Huh? It's 2 votes on DEB so he is the one to be voteless

Ank:

I though each of us silences a player. still voting Farkan

A50:

skitter is referencing good jams mafia for her SR on Volxen

A50:

btw I have yet to read any posts from other games, so maybe it's time to offer my team some help

chenn:

I think Volxen is busy IRL

chenn:

I can see Volxen greaking out to see he was scum though

chenn:

why are you implying Fark is in this hood @50

A50:

I am not. I said he was killed for his hood's ability, but it's also good that people are thinking that was his hood, because, I am sure scum would want to shoot the Vig

Ank:

this is bad. I only have 6 players I dunno what hoods they are in

Ank:

Vig has +ve utility since scum are lurking, but I still think we are all town here

Ank:

tw is reading but nobody else is. Eddie hoped I was the NK on N1

chenn:

my team is overwhelmed with a Volpe SR and that's it. That's Ali & pops, as lyam is busy

Ank:

I don't want to effort because my reads are against the main stream

chenn:

we should have muted Volxen

chenn:

is it bad I get angry for outing hoods?

A50:

I say you're the one sane voice in a world of lunatics

chenn:

I lost motivation because I know we're going to lose this

chenn:

@50 I think you let me silence DEB because you're his scum buddy

A50:

if I'm scum with DEB I would either bus him or replace out

chenn:

I don't like the fact Ank was first to say we are all town in this hood, but I don't think you could both be scum

chenn:

I actually think we're all town

editorial note: I can see chenn being scum from the green stuff.

Ank:

am I pocketing you both? because otherwise I can't be scum

Ank:

I have no way to get the Vig to myself because I'd be outed if I didn't die the very next night

chenn:

fair enough. you play like you did in gay mafia so I TR you

Ank:

Eddie's asking how much did CT read from this game? He has a weak town read on you

chenn:

I will ask her

Ank:

I told my team to ignore they know we are neighbors

chenn:

CT answered the question

Ank:

@A50 tell skitter I am not pushing Volxen because I don't think anyone will listen

editorial note: so why was she against his lynch if she believed him to be scum? And why is she sus of me when she thought the read had merit?

chenn:

important question coming

chenn:

should I use this avi?

(the one he is currently using)

chenn:

no chance in hell I'm using pichu again

Ank:

I challenge you to

chenn:

ok. done deal

A50:

@chenn (joke about my other 2 alts)

Ank:

post #2875 hints we are neighbors

(can someone explain this now?)

A50:

how so?

chenn:

response to my joke

chenn:

I don't care who you vote (to mute)

chenn:

I can mute myself

chenn:

I think it's a good think for town if I'm voteless

chenn:

not a bad flip

Ank:

should I be TRing you after that flip? @50

Ank:

I think you redirected the wagon off nom

A50:

IMHO that was the best flip I could have hoped for for chenn's sake, and Volxen was NOT TOWN

A50:

actually I don't like being SR'd for no good reason, so I;m going to stop talking to you both here. I'll just announce my votes for the mute and that's it.

Ank:

it doesn't matter he was 3P. It still wasn't a scum flip. nom should have been the lynch

A50:

nom is town, and the flip does matter. skitter said he wasn't playing to his town meta. It's not like we could have guessed he was non-killing 3P from that

Ank:

I was exclaiming about the timing of the wagon, not you

chenn:

I feel exactly like Ank does

chenn:

survivor is a bad role to rand

Ank:

my brain is farting

chenn:

I have no brain

chenn:

we should silence someone on the Volxen wagon because it was scum driven

Ank:

silence kuribo for the fun of it

chenn:

I will laugh so hard if nom or kuribo try to use the Volx was not town argument

chenn:

let's silence kuribo

Ank:

I'll do it because he'll be funny when he finds out he's voteless

chenn:

I also don't want him/nom pushing me

chenn:

A50's explanation (about the Volxen flip) is weird

A50:

if you mute kuribo I'm outing the hood. You want to do some monkey business? Well, I am the Monkey King!

chenn:

It's OK you're just scum

chenn:

it's kuribo/nom/A50 the scum team

Ank:

fine. out it

chenn:

@A50 you were worried about how people read you and you didn't care we didn't lynch scum

chenn:

add A50 to scum and Ank to town in the image posted (that said nom+kuribo+FL are scum)

Thanks for making me reread the entirety of the hood posts, chenn.

[Almost50]

never

VOTE: FB

Not lynching in your hood. If either of you is NK'd the other is turbo lynched the next day (before they could use the last standing player's ability.)

[Almost50]

what does your team think atm a50

This is MY game now. I will listen to their reads/advice and will discuss in the PT, but I am not sharing the source of anything I say anymore.

[Almost50]

I think it's would be FUNNY for me that way.

[Almost50]

if you're going to be like that a50 then I'm just going to assume everything you say is you and just ignore it

ty

That's OK. Just look at where my vote['s at!

[Almost50]

Not that anybody cares, but did you know that both NK'd players had ANK as a STRING SCUM READ? Like, Farkan had both Ank & chenn as explicit SRs, while Volpe had nomnom & Ank at his likely scum tier which was his lowest rank.

Interestingly, Elements had both nom & chenn as scum (only 2 explicit SRs) but had Ank as Town. But then Elements was not NK'd so..

I know, I know.. they're dead so they have no say and their reads mean shit because we know better (and we being still alive proves it. Right?)

[Almost50]

[Volpe] - Town
[A50, GiF, Chennis] - Likely town
[Vex, Fark, Dave, Espresso, DeasVail, Dr EB] - nulltown
[Gamma, Volxen] - null
[Kuribo, Flavor, MariaR] - nullscum
[nomnom, Ank, Elems] - likely scum

---------
For some internal reason I wanted to put Fark one bracket below.

This is more like, considering all possibilties readlist, I don't think the last bracket is the exact scum team or something. I just think there's scum among them the most in any kind of alternative universe.

I was referring to this readlist. It's not like I am going to write down everything someone says. I just cope the complete readlist under their name and move on.

HOWEVER, I've just found a more recent readlist in which he moved you way up, so my bad.

[Volpe] - Town
[A50, GiF, Ank??] - Likely town
[Vex, Chennis, Dave, Espresso, DeasVail, Dr EB] - nulltown
[Gamma, Volxen, Fark] - null
[Kuribo, Flavor, MariaR] - nullscum
[nomnom, Elems] - likely scum

Fark is on null now. I'm starting to get into this game again.

[Almost50]

the posts I quoted are far more recent than either of those

Do they include VOTELISTS? Because THOSE are the ones I save to my files. If I took note of every single read someone threw out in a separate post and then changed their mind about it 2 minutes later I might as well hire a fulltime secretary exclusively to manage my MafiaScum library!

[Almost50]

Maria, Dave, Kuribo, Pant, DV

Also means there’s likely a scum in this.

I "think" (but not sure) someone mentioned Maria/Vex (not Pant) in the same hood, so that makes kuribo/dave/DV the last hood. (Unless you made a mistake and one of them is with gooey/DEB or I made a faulty assumption and one is the third of Maria/Pant, or I dreamt the Maria/Pant thing in my sleep and saved it into my file while I was sleepwalking)

[Almost50]

Well, it's way past my bed time (it's actually 12 noon here, but when did I ever have a fixed time to call it "bedtime"?? Makes you wonder how I even keep track of what day it is.. well.. I DON'T!! )

[Almost50]

You're cutting us off from information for no reason. Why not share it?

Same reason Ank "claims" to have silenced kuribo. (i.e. I don't care about the game. I'm egocentric enough to think about own urges and having fun and the rest of you can [redacted]).

Now I say she "claims" because that's what she says she did it for (which is silly enough a reason, don't you agree?), but I already explained I suspect it was done to provoke kuribo's anger to obfuscate the game status further.

Also, how am I denying you info when I said I'd be telling what the views are, just not telling who said it? How is "skitter thinks X" any different than "Amrun thinks X", "jjh thinks X" or "I think X" to you?

[Almost50]

my name has literal fire in it.

this is an outrage.

But you didn't start the fire, Ryan did.

Actually

it was always burning Since the world's been turning

. (Or are you calling Billy Joel a Liar??)

[Almost50]

Does anyone know why Chennisden could not be targeted either night?

I hope I didn't miss something, but are you saying you/your hood tried to target chenn 2 nights in a row and your action failed?? (If that's the case, then we should ask nom/DB for who they Commuted on both nights)

[Almost50]

Chenn irritates the hell out of me between calling me scum for reporting elements and calling me scum for lynching what turned out to be a third party especially after dropping the hammer himself. If y'all killed off either of them, I wouldn't mourn for two seconds.

That's chenn for you. I mean, I am not 100% confident he is Town, but that's all he does to me whenever we play together. He starts the game with an "A50 is Scum" mindset, and then he tries to find a reason for it, be that I woke up late, I'm watching TV, I'm having dinner, or I'm doing none of all that.

[Almost50]

In the meantime
VOTE: Dr Easy Bake

I'd lynch this (although I know someone's going to derail the lynch because DEB "hasn't posted anything

game-related

scummy!)

VOTE: DEB

[Almost50]

Mafia is supposed to be fun first and like challenging/skill/effort second

It's supposed to be fun

because

it's a challenge of skill. If someone wants to

exclusively

troll and tell jokes they should try standup comedy instead.

[Almost50]

I'm very scared people are townreading me to the extent they are and I think it's probably strategic

Yes! We're ALL Scum setting you up!

[Almost50]

Dann is starting to get into the game a bit, he has a reads list:

TOWN

ankamius(/volpe/farkran/elements)
chennisden/firebringer/almost50/gammagooey
mariar/panthaleon/davesaz
kuribo/flavor leaf(/volxen) [---NULL LINE---]
dreasybake\deasvail
nomnomnom/espressopatronum

SCUM

Talk to me about chennisden yeah, because I think he has scum equity

[Almost50]

or all his posts are heavily coached

I feel like this is kinda possible considering who his teammates are

I'd oink, except I don't know if it has the same meaning in your culture.

P-edit: Oh, my! FL is here and I'm going to click submit for at least 10 times to post this. (Already failed 4 times)

[Almost50]

Yaay! Only FIVE attempts. I must've got faster.

[Almost50]

That applies both ways

And this is why we do NOT lynch in nom/FB today, Einstein! There are other fish in the sea, but you're acting like an eyeless shrimp.

[Almost50]

I've got a good theory. Why volpe was nightkilled is to set up this situation of today which naturally lends into a 1v1. Maybe in that scenario FB and me are town and we're getting into a deadly 1v1 that fucks town up again. The reason this is done is to not only get rid of a commuter hood which can be problematic to deal with for scums but also make sure our last standing ability cannot be used properly as we would die instantly upon getting it. That's one of my theories.

And how would they have known it's a day ability (as you have been hinting today) if both you and FB are Town????

[Almost50]

Nonetheless, I am fairly confident in these people being town:

davesaz
chennisden
panthaleon (he didn't respond to my greeting though :'( )
Gammagooey
Almost50

Ankamius and MariaR are almost there for me I think.

That leaves DEB, FL, kuribo, Espresso, Firebringer, nom

I don't want to lynch FL today.

But apart from that I don't have super strong feelings personally.

Those reads are a bunch of horseshit and completely contradict what you said previously.

You're playing according to where others want to lynch and trying to get by.
VOTE: DV

Help me see the contradiction(s)

My townlist btw is pretty much as follows.

Pretty confident:

Davesaz
chennisden
Volpe14
Vex Vience
MariaR
kuribo

Not as confident:

Flavor Leaf
Gammagooey
Ankamius
GuyInFreezer
Volxen

(nomnomnom) - this one requires more thought before I can commit to a townread but it could end up getting there.

And then there's everyone else. None of whom I feel especially passionate about.

I want to scumread Almost50 but there's an element of oddness to his posting that gives me second thoughts. I want to scumready Espresso, but that just feels... insubstantial...

[Almost50]

Everyone has posted, and I'm reasonably certain they all posted after my info request.
It's probably scum in my hood. I hope there is a doc.
VOTE: DeasVail

Mindmeld.

I left a note in my hood, but it seems it was either ignored or not read.

I want both nom and FB to explicitly state whom they voted to commute on N1 and on N2.

@dave: Who first suggested targeting chenn on N1? And who suggested retargeting him on N2?

[Almost50]

Also, if anybody still wonders why I hard TR dave.. it's stuff like this. dave is not the kind of player that let's everything he thinks show in public. Instead, he sits and observes.. quietly, and out the info/thought when he deems the time is right. He doesn't like to appear to be changing his mind a lot, so he waits until he is confident enough to make the push.

P-edit: I do have a specific reason, and I think it's very important to know who y4ou voted each night. Thank you.

[Almost50]

@A50 I fell on the spoilered notes about people

I also don't understand this, but it's probably because I've just woken up and my mind isn't working on it's full capacity. You can make my life easier if you want to (by rephrasing) or you can wait on me to sober up (not sure if that's the correct term to use, since I mean from sleep and not the effect of alcohol)

[Almost50]

I would rather not out this, unless you state your reason

Well, my reason is I will change my mind and lynch both of you if you don't out (both you and FB). I do agree with dave though, and I need to decide for myself if your hood had anything to do with it.

Note: I am not asking you to state who you're commuting beforehand. I am asking for information about a previ9ous action/submission, so I fail to understand why you would want to keep that a secret.

P-edit: Oh, ok. Thanks for explaining

[Almost50]

Alright. I decided to commute Ank and FL. In that order.

Volpe commuted Ank both nights.

GIF stated that he was commuting DV, and that's it. Don't know the n2 target.

So, as I said, this had nothing to do with what Dave was saying earlier.

Thank you!

Now -to the best of your knowledge- was GIF even available during N2 to submit a vote, or do you think it more likely he didn't?

[Almost50]

I'm gonna guess he didn't have the time to do it considered he got replaced. So I think it's only our two votes here.

That would be my guess too. Thanks.

Now, if any town player has anything to add/contribut9e to this subject please come forward ASAP with your info/speculation.

[Almost50]

At this time I will not be revealing who the other members of my Neighborhood are,

Does it matter?? because maria already outed she was your neighbor, and the other one is already dead (Farkan or Creature). *Shrug*

[Almost50]

Anyway, there you go, dave.

@Panth: Could you please answer why dave? Who in your hood suggested dave first? Where there any other candidates on the table to choose from?

[Almost50]

At this time I will not be revealing who the other members of my Neighborhood are,

Does it matter?? because maria already outed she was your neighbor, and the other one is already dead (Farkan or Creature). *Shrug*

Where do you get that from

Maria said she was neighbors with pantha already, then we have the other outed hoods and flips.

A50+chenn+Ank is a hood
FL+EP+Elements (deceased) is another
nom+FB+Volpe (deceased) is a third
dave+DV+kuribo is the fourth (not sure about you being there, so THAT maybe where I went wrong. Is it?)
Maria+pantha+?? is a hood
gooey+DEB+?? is the last hood

No 2 flipped player shared the same hood, so the last 2 hoods should have had one flipped player each (namely Creature/Farkan)

Now if you are not with the Cops, then place yourself in the correct hood and put Creature/Farkan in the Cops in your stead (You don't have to say it aloud. I don't need to know which hood YOU are in because I hard TR you anyway).

[Almost50]

Now if you are not with the Cops, then place yourself in the correct hood and put Creature/Farkan in the Cops in your stead (You don't have to say it aloud. I don't need to know which hood YOU are in because I hard TR you anyway).

Where did you get this from? I looked just now to see if somebody claimed a Cop hood and couldn’t find it.

What ability do you think dave was referring to? Hint: It's an ability that returns a result, so they can tell id their action had gone through or failed.

[Almost50]

I'm grouped with pant and Maria

My bad then. So the Investigative Hood has only dave/DV alive in it. I would strongly lean DV is the Scum of the two, and it makes even more sense now that he is trying to lynch you. Your hood has Scum in it, and DV is also Scum, and they're setting up "pairs" so they can sweep the game with the last-man-standing abilities.

WAIT A MINUTE! Is one of them like.. skipping a day (double night) kind of thing?? (A50 moon!lLogic trademark. All rights reserved)

But we have to take into account who was NK'd (because that was pure Scum doing) over who was lynched (because that had to have Town's support to go through)

Sp, FB/nom has 1 scum and whichever of dave/DV & DEB/gooey had Farkan as their third also has 1 scum in that pair.

This does not mean I'm clearing the other pair

though. I'm just saying I'd be more confident one scum is in the hood Farkan was in.

[Almost50]

Should also be worth noting that as of the beginning of day 3, I've expressed intent to roleblock that voteless bullshit instead

Wise move tbh. Despite the fact I'm back to thinking it's an all Town hood (Just look at the other hoods powers. It's the same as the previous game we played together. Our hood's ability is SHIT, and the LMS is too powerful to dall into Scum hands), I say despite that I don't see the benefit of us silencing anyone, even Scum. Scum show their intent with the movement (or lack thereof) of their vote. We are actually a negative utility regardless of whether we silenve Town or Scum.

[Almost50]

I townread gamma and have no problem with him having an LMS ability

+1

[Almost50]

As for massclaiming, our hood is the only one with known LMS. Gammagooy's is the only one with unknown hood power. All other 4 we know the hood power but not LMS.

[Almost50]

btw anyone know offhand who was scumreading volpe throughout d1-d2?

that's something I want to investigate into

Off the top of my head, EP had him as a scum lean at one point, but it was my slot (influenced by skitter) that probably made most of the fuss about him.

[Almost50]

Gamma's hood must have something to do with power and LMS reveals.

No other hood power explains the Breitbart leak from N1.

Again, that was probably a 1-shot individual thing that exposes a hood's abilities at random. I can't even begin to imagine that (a) It was targeted, so Scum already knew at least one member of the hood, and (b) They have more shots to reveal all hoods abilities. That would be much too powerful a utility.

[Almost50]

If it's antitown enough for you to ask to be roleblocked, it's antitown enough for y'all to just

not use.[/]

I will abstain if chenn & Ank agree to it. On N1 I had to use it because DEB was mine and chenn's choice, while Ank wanted Farkan. If I didn't submit a choice it would have been randomized between the two, and I didn't ant Farkan silenced (well, he did get silenced for good)

[Almost50]

Well now I REALLY want to know what DV's hood was lol.

Same as dave.

[Almost50]

vengeful isn't that op. why we freaking out about it?

Your LMS is Vengful?? That's it????

[Almost50]

Its probably compulsive

This is a lie and we have already discussed this in the thread. Ot says we can abstain (on our role PM) and that if it's a tie it will rand between the VOTED players. You said you thought if we all abstain it will rand between all living players and I told you in that case they were not voted.

Now if you want to be obtuse about it, be ny guest, but don't mislead the whole town with a lie that you invented yourself.

AGAIN: My Role PM says I can abstain. It also says if there's a tie it will be randomized between the voted players. I don't know why I get to be in a hood with two people who either don't read their Role PMs or can't comprehend what they read. Ank thought it was "each of us" (i.e. we could make THREE people voteless!!) and chenn insists it's compulsory and will rand between all players! And then they both get mad when I lose my temper.

[Almost50]

Also Chenn you're a loud voice that people will listen to over me. Help me get Fire lynched thanks

DEB today. FB tomorrow (or the day after). Thanks

[Almost50]

We should remember to still bully DEB

Not tomorrow, not when FB is lynched or something, but NOW

At least we agree on something!

[Almost50]

@kuribo: I am starting to feel apathetic about this game (and the whole tournament. tbh), so I', willing to make you a deal. How about you use ME to vote whomever you want? I am your proxy vote today.

[Almost50]

@kuribo: So you want to vote DV or DEB? I know you're votelss (obviously) but you can still type Vote: X in bod (or use the tags). It won't count, but I can quote it and vote there, so effectively it'd be your vote and I'd be the voteless one.

[Almost50]

@kuribo: So you want to vote DV or DEB? I know you're votelss (obviously) but you can still type Vote: X in bod (or use the tags). It won't count, but I can quote it and vote there, so effectively it'd be your vote and I'd be the voteless one.

It's the weekend, so I'm double shifts as usual but

Vote: DeasVail

DEB's posting has mostly been fine the last few pages and if they're both scum, I see DV as a way way bigger threat at endgame.

VOTE: DeasVail

[Almost50]

Maria’s probably a deepwolf

If I had money for everytime that was said.

Maria’s probably a deepwolf
Maria’s probably a deepwolf
Maria’s probably a deepwolf
Maria’s probably a deepwolf
Maria’s probably a deepwolf
Maria’s probably a deepwolf

Now don't get me wrong. I'm just setting her up to become independently wealthy.

[Almost50]

I was holding off with voting until we finished the mass claim. Now that we're done with that,...

We did?? What's the LMS for the Movie Studio CEOs?

[Almost50]

@gooey/@EP: That's OK. I just got worried I was skimming too hard that I missed something. It's cool.

[Almost50]

^voting your TR is a bad move, trust me. Not "scummy", but bad in the sense that you are giving in to the wrong side. I did it most recently and it almost cost us the game (but PP was nice enough to scum claim as the last scum and thus save the town from itself)

[Almost50]

Hey almost, you're townreading nom right? I skimmed your iso a bit and saw it seemed like it was mostly from the volpe nightkill - can you explain that for me or if you've got other reasons for it lay that out for me? I'd agree that volpe isn't likely what nom-scum would want if you ignored the rest of a scumteam existing, but he was also one of the more highly townread people in the game at the time too.

Well, by tone.. by stances.. by her anger.. I mean, everything points to her being town here. I even searched her previous games and linked a scum game in our PT, and asked Ank to show me what similarities she sees in nom's play here to that game, and I don't think I got an answer from Ank.

Game I linked

Can someone please show me similarities to nom's play in that game and her play in this game?

[Almost50]

^voting your TR is a bad move, trust me. Not "scummy", but bad in the sense that you are giving in to the wrong side. I did it most recently and it almost cost us the game (but PP was nice enough to scum claim as the last scum and thus save the town from itself)

What exactly do you think we should do then? People are you gonna hide behind Nom scumreads the whole game when we have people like FL/DEB who need to go. I don't know how I feel about DV enough to lynch him and we got a few days left.

1- We lynch DEB. We lynch bloody DEB. We don't lynch nom to get a DEB lynch in the future!!!

2- You don't know how you feel about DV, so you vote nom whom you do know how you feel about??????

[Almost50]

FB I'm not wagonning DEB here no way

Then I won't be defending you anymore, tbh. It's your own head and you're still adamant not to vote someone galf the game is scum reading and the other is undecided on him?? Like, the only TR I saw on DEB came from FL, and you claim to be SRing FL. WTF?

[Almost50]

I am mostly disinterested in meta data because I play this game once every several months when someone asks me to help them out.

Specifically though nothing nom had some had been useful, and I don't foresee them suddenly becoming useful once they get to live another day. They have articulated a disinterest in being helpful and I don't see their reads and activity improving.

They should accept their played scummy, leave a list of reads for the town, and then eat the rope like a helpful VT.

This is a scum claim by any measure you ant to gauge it with.

1- NOWHERE in the while post do you even question nom's alignment. And don't you tell me you made a case on her before. I am talking about this post and how it reflects what you think of her, which is "eat the rope like a helpful VT".

2- You are disregarding that DEB is even less useful ny all measures. If you truly want to lynch someone useless you should be pushing DEB over nom.

3- The whole mindset of that post is "I don't give a rat's fart about Town winning", and considering this is not just another game, but one in TM where bragging rights are at stake for whole teams; I can't even begin to imagine you received a green role PM.

In short, you are asking TOWN!nom to give up and accept being today's mislynch (and when we have yet to flip a single member of the Scum team no less!)

[Almost50]

Neat. Maybe if you demonstrate some of those skills now, I'll sixteen my position

How about you do? Tell us who is SCUM (i.e. NIT who "should accept their played scummy, leave a list of reads for the town, and then eat the rope like a helpful VT")

[Almost50]

A50 What’s Ank been saying in the neighborhood?

Nothing much of late. In fact, the hood is almost dead now.

[Almost50]

Fuck, I’m tinfoiling an A50/Panth team now

And why exactly are you still alive if I'm scum??

[Almost50]

EC is on board with a50/FL/EP as scum

But you said he had a HARD TOWN READ on me earlier. Now what exactly has changed in "less than one complete cycle"?

[Almost50]

I shat my thought process all over the discord

At least you acknowledge it's it's a shit thought process. Carry on.

[Almost50]

That's a buzz word. You can literally call anyone in this playerlist a 'deep wolf' without context on why that's just useless shading. If you think I'm a deep wolf case why I'm scum.

I couldn't help but
Are you telling me I can call any of (EP - nomnom - panthaleon - Fb - DV - DEB) a "deep wolf"??
Like, what is your definition of a deep wolf? because my definition is someone who looks town to the majority of the players. One that is not being pushed or is being pushed by 1-2 slots and nobody else is interested. Hell, I could even add Ank and chenn to that list, as they both have been openly FoS'd by more than 2 slots at one point of the game.

[Almost50]

YOU MEAN THE GAMESTATE THAT MADE US LYNCH ONLY TOWN AND WE WERE ABOUT TO LYNCH A THIRD

This is a FALSE statement. This town has yet to make a single mislynch. We only lynched 3P on D2 and D1 ended with a NL because of the modkill.

[Almost50]

Ank is talking like she knows how to play Mafia. Ank is also ignoring the fact that I am ignoring her and everything she says and will continue doing so for the foreseen future. I even told Ank that I wasn't going to talk in that PT. I said it in a different context but that's ultimately what I was getting at.

[Almost50]

<Insert some meaningless comment on a ramdon post here>