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[volxen]

HEAL: Chennisden

[volxen]

VOTE: EspressoPatronum

[volxen]

VOTE: EspressoPatronum

Oh yah?

Starscream > Dinobot.

There, I said it. You forced my hand.

You are lockscum for saying that.

[volxen]

Tempted to townread Volpe and Farkran

Leaning town on Espresso Gif and maybe Vex

I think EP is actually a really easy lynch and might not be scum at this point

Why are you leaning town on Espresso? Aside from the fact that you think he might be lynchbait.

[volxen]

i feel dave is scum; although, im personally fine with lynching elsewhere. atm, i feel gif v nom is pretty solidly tvs, and flipping one will confirm the other.

Going by your hand-written notes, I take it your scumread of Nom is primarily centered around Nom's reaction to GIF’s outing of their hood and your belief that Nom's frustration/anger posts were faked, yes? I initially had Nom as a scumread during my read through of the game, however I think this post in particular would be difficult to fake as scum:

1674 is gamethrowing as town

The sooner you realize it, the better. Take your time.

Yeah no townies has ever displayed sarcasm or has gotten fed up with a game because of 3 idiots pulling reads out of their asses right

I guess all these town games where I did the same thing doesn't matter either let's listen to Mr. Logic with logic that doesn't even make fucking sense from a team of nonames where I've only played with Kerset before and I don't even remember that game so that's to say how many nonames are on your team.

I don't think that scum!Nom would think to lash out at Farkran and call his team "no names" during their back-and-forth, especially since this post was one of several that were made by Nom in quick succession (1670, 1673, etc.) when she was lashing out at Farkran and other people. I will grant you that some of her previous anger/frustration posts wouldn't be difficult to fake as scum, but I think the way that she attacked not only Farkran but his entire team in that post is much more likely to come from "pissed off" town than from scum calculating how to maximize AtE for their benefit. Especially considering that post from Nom came only one minute after the post from Farkran that Nom was responding to -- I don't think that scum!Nom would think to fake the "no names" thing that quickly. And as Farkran pointed out (1748), Nom's anger/frustration escalated as the exchange continued, which I think is somewhat town-indicative as well.

It's not a locktown read but I do think that Nom is town now.

[volxen]

volxen looks townier as scum

Voting to pressure me is one thing, but where is this coming from? We've played four games together: Nomination Mafia, Chain of Command 1 (where I hydra'd with Nancy), Chain of Command 2 (where I hydra'd with Nancy and Auro), and Micro 889 -- Good James Mafia (where I hydra'd with Chennisden). I'm not counting Vengeful Ghosts since I didn't really post in that game. In NM I was town and you were scum, and by the end of the game I was widely townread. In COC1 we were both town, and you and Krazy had me/Nancy as a top townread very early on in the game. Granted Nancy's posting had a lot to do with your townread on our slot in that game, but you and Krazy also picked up on individual towntells from both Nancy and I in that game. In COC2 and GJM I was scum and you were town; in COC2 you were mostly null on my posting, but you immediately started to scumread me in GJM once I started posting. I wasn't really townread in either of those scum games, whereas my slot was widely townread in NM and COC1.

So saying that I look townier as scum doesn't make sense even if we are just going by the four games that you and I have played together.

[volxen]

Some of Chenn’s posts from day one seem off/exaggerated.

I also doubt scum Ank fakes being in a bad headspace for this game

Do you think that scum!Ank would have all the usual sass/drive that town!Ank has and begin to limit her lynch pool/lynch possibilities in the game if she was content with gamestate?

Like, if we consider now town!nomnom getting wagoned, scum!Ank couldn't jump on her because nomnom would get sus, so throwing a TR and being lukewarm on it would be a good play to let town eat itself and...

exactly what happened??????

Honestly I'm dropping my confidence on you being town because you seem trying to justify why ank is town here rather than approaching this from a "is ank town or scum?"

The last sentence is extremely scummy

Am I overprojecting my confidence on this read? Probably

But that's because your scumreads on Ank are really weird from my POV

And the "I'm dropping my confidence on you being town" is really really obviously manipulative. You're trying to strongarm me into publicly taking a worse position on Ank

First you called Volpe’s last sentence in post 1331 (about him dropping his confidence on you being town) “extremely scummy”, then you called it “really really obviously manipulative”. How is it manipulative in particular? Volpe wasn’t calling you scum here, he was saying that he was less confident on you being town, his reasoning being (as far as I can tell) that he felt that you weren’t taking the sorting of Ank’s slot seriously. Even if you completely disagreed with Volpe’s reasons for scumreading Ank, why is the act of Volpe dropping his confidence on you being town scummy/manipulative? If Volpe was townreading you and scumreading Ank, and he doesn’t understand why you were hard pushing Ank as town, then doesn’t it make sense that that might affect his read of your slot as well? With respect to your read of Volpe, your issue seems to be much more about the fact that he dropped his confidence on you being town, rather than you taking issue with him scumreading Ank for what you consider to be bad reasons. Yes, you previously challenged Volpe on his scumread of Ank prior to that post, but you didn’t call him scummy in that exchange until he said that he was less certain about you being town. I don’t see how this was scummy on Volpe’s behalf.

Calling the last sentence of Volpe’s post “really really obviously manipulative” and saying that he was trying to publicly strongarm you into taking a worse position on Ank feels like a highly exaggerated response based on the back-and-forth that the two of you had around post 1331.

[volxen]

that is a really, really off post volxen.

i dont know what to do and i went "ick" so i guess i'll kill the thing that made me go ick

VOTE: volxen

You're not even going to respond to anything I brought up in that post, or try to engage with me at all? I don't believe that town!you would write me off as scum so easily given our history together.

[volxen]

Chenn I think that's really a stretch with respect to Kuribo. It's pretty clear from the way Kuribo responded to Elements' trust-telling that he is vehemently opposed to it, so there's no reason to believe that Kuribo would be more likely to report it as scum compared to town. Even if Kuribo and Elements were scum together I think that Kuribo would have handled it the same way, because it's a matter of preserving the integrity of the game -- in that case he wouldn't want to get an unfair advantage from Elements fake trust-telling. Same idea if Kuribo and Elements were masons together.

I don't think that there is anything AI in the way Kuribo responded to Elements or in the fact that he reported the trust-telling to the mods.

[volxen]

One thing I will note is that I helped mod starcraft 3, which you were scum in and got townread until lategame
I spectated BoP2, where you were townread for your posting as scum
I somewhat kept an eye on that newbie outside the newbie forum thing, where you were considered scummy and ended up lynched as town

I'm aware of your general reputation of looking bad as town on day one and improving in readability over time and cam believe that to be the case by what I've seen. I think I've been able to read you fine because I take that into account when I try to read you, so I can prepare for it.

Yes, these are fair points. If we include games that you’ve spectated or modded then you’ve seen a fair amount of me as both alignments. Which is why I don’t get why you said “Volxen is always going to scumping me regardless I think” (1815) when you’ve been able to correctly townread me before. I don’t see the point in preemptively saying that you are most likely going to scumread me regardless of what I do before I’ve even really gotten into the game.

With respect to your read on my slot, you haven’t really said much about your scumread on me other than that you believe most/all of the scumteam has been playing from the sidelines (2378 etc.). Is your scumread on me based primarily on my activity? Is it because you don’t believe that my townread on Nom is genuine? Both?

[volxen]

Volxen is SCUM: According to skitter; Scum!Volxen pops in and makes tangentially related posts that really have very little to do with the meat of the game. He doesn't really know how to keep up or engage in real time or like follow-through with anything. Town!him doesn't do that, and he's doing just that in this game.

This makes me believe that your slot is town. Even though Skitter's conclusion is incorrect, I can see why she would arrive at that conclusion based on Good Jams Mafia, where she played against scum!me. She is correct in that I struggled with keeping up and engaging in real time in that game. What her read isn't taking into account is that that has also been in the case in multiple town games where I got mislynched for similar reasons. But that isn't something that I would expect Skitter to know as she hasn't been in any on my town games where I got mislynched. Her experience with me has been primarily Good Jams Mafia (where I was scum) and 911: What's Your Emergency? (where I was town), and based on that I can see this as being a thought process that town!Skitter would have.