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[joges]

Last one to post their first post gets my vote

What if the last person never posts?

[joges]

I’m Boonskiies.

I’m Salamence20

I am Batman

VOTE: Wimpy

Lynch all liars.

[joges]

I’m Boonskiies.

I’m Salamence20

I am Batman

VOTE: Wimpy

Lynch all liars.

can you prove I’m lying?

My statement is:

You are not Batman.


Which means:

If you are not Batman, you can't prove I'm wrong.
If you are Batman, you won't prove I'm wrong.


In conclusion:

You are not Batman.

[joges]

Everyone lurks.

This site is dying

VOTE: Salamence

Seems a good way to make town not care about the game is to lull them to depression with negative insight.

Honestly, this is a stretch, but nothing else has stood out.

Concerning the self vote, it's RVS. And no amount of making it anything more than that will make it more than that.

[joges]

Self voting does not equal scum tell...

It should though.

VOTE: Wimpy

VOTE: Non
UNVOTE:

p-edit
I don't know what's going on anymore
this game is ruined.

p-p-edit
VOTE: Boon
Now who's up for pressuring this slot some more

p-p-p-edit
.

6 pages in and this is your iso. Do you have any thoughts about anything yet or just want to continue to have more votes than posts?

[joges]

joges' read sure is weird though, people come up with the craziest ideas of how scum are doing crazy strats like "making town not care about the game to lull them to depression with negative insight." when in reality scum are just trying to appear not scummy 95% of the time

This feels misreppy.. Like you want to distance yourself from my read by saying something I already said when I made the vote. Like you just wanted to make sure the same words were in your ISO.

[joges]

Everyone lurks.

This site is dying

VOTE: Salamence

Seems a good way to make town not care about the game is to lull them to depression with negative insight.

Honestly, this is a stretch, but nothing else has stood out.

Concerning the self vote, it's RVS. And no amount of making it anything more than that will make it more than that.

joges' read sure is weird though, people come up with the craziest ideas of how scum are doing crazy strats like "making town not care about the game to lull them to depression with negative insight." when in reality scum are just trying to appear not scummy 95% of the time

VOTE: Salamence his ISO is sludgy

(note this is not an OMGUS, i actually intuitively townread people who vote me by default)

joges' read sure is weird though, people come up with the craziest ideas of how scum are doing crazy strats like "making town not care about the game to lull them to depression with negative insight." when in reality scum are just trying to appear not scummy 95% of the time

This feels misreppy.. Like you want to distance yourself from my read by saying something I already said when I made the vote. Like you just wanted to make sure the same words were in your ISO.

what what what? i was disagreeing with your read and basically calling it reaching actually

122 - I vote Sala, and mention it's a stretch for my reason but it's all that stood out.

149 - You call my already self-proclaimed shaky read "weird"

152 - 3 posts later you vote for Sala.

173 - you claim to disagree with my read, while voting my read, and yet I'm supposed to think you're "disagreeing with me"?

[joges]

I think Nicholai is town. That's the vibe I get while reading his posts.

[joges]

I'm not a heavy poster.

[joges]

VOTE: FlavourLeaf

I will take the bait. Bring it.

[joges]

Are we getting close to the deadline?

[joges]

Joges is probably scum for his vote on me after taking time to sink it in like that.

VOTE: Joges

Let’s kill this and go to day 2 peepies.

So your bait was to both town and scum read me?

[joges]

I’ve thought about that, and you’re probably right.

Joges isn’t town cleared by voting me there, though. And I believe that was a solid place to go to get this game moving.

I was trying to Daniel Craig from Knives Out this, but nobody’s giving me anything

i mean yeah, he obviously shouldn't be. i'm inclined to agree with you on none of the active posters being scum. i'm liking Kanna and Wimpo and liking you more now

@joges: what your reads looking like, my man?

I've said before I like you for town, but I'm pretty inclined to believe you're the only person in the game, myself included, to have any substance to your posts to develop a decent read.

Although FL is acting too stupid to be scum right now. Not stupid in the hurtful way, but the way you're playing just doesn't seem calculated enough to be scum. St

My scum read on Sala literally came from my last game where I used the same reasoning and found the first scum. It was always a shot in the dark. But that slot has disappeared so I don't really have a read on that.

That leaves everyone else, and it's a lot of null to me. Seems like a lot of people waiting for something to happen. Wimpy is the only other person I can say would stand out to me as trying. But I really feel like, at least their interactions with me, have been clapping their hands at me trying to get me to do stuff and not really trying to ask me anything. And that doesn't tell me they're town or scum.

Not a dig at the mods, but a lack of VCs has probably kept people quiet and it would be nice to just start creeping people towards L1 at this point to get them talking.

[joges]

Joges is probably scum for his vote on me after taking time to sink it in like that.

VOTE: Joges

Let’s kill this and go to day 2 peepies.

So your bait was to both town and scum read me?

Told you; I’m a master at baiting

Flavor Leaf, Master Baiter Extraordinaire.

[joges]

I’ve thought about that, and you’re probably right.

Joges isn’t town cleared by voting me there, though. And I believe that was a solid place to go to get this game moving.

I was trying to Daniel Craig from Knives Out this, but nobody’s giving me anything

i mean yeah, he obviously shouldn't be. i'm inclined to agree with you on none of the active posters being scum. i'm liking Kanna and Wimpo and liking you more now

@joges: what your reads looking like, my man?

I've said before I like you for town, but I'm pretty inclined to believe you're the only person in the game, myself included, to have any substance to your posts to develop a decent read.

Although FL is acting too stupid to be scum right now. Not stupid in the hurtful way, but the way you're playing just doesn't seem calculated enough to be scum

. St

My scum read on Sala literally came from my last game where I used the same reasoning and found the first scum. It was always a shot in the dark. But that slot has disappeared so I don't really have a read on that.

That leaves everyone else, and it's a lot of null to me. Seems like a lot of people waiting for something to happen. Wimpy is the only other person I can say would stand out to me as trying. But I really feel like, at least their interactions with me, have been clapping their hands at me trying to get me to do stuff and not really trying to ask me anything. And that doesn't tell me they're town or scum.

Not a dig at the mods, but a lack of VCs has probably kept people quiet and it would be nice to just start creeping people towards L1 at this point to get them talking.

Thanks, I think......Not sure what to think about being called stupid. Kind of a backhanded compliment. I get what you are trying to say though


@ Looker
The choices you made seem random, both in the people you asked about and the people you asked. Any method to your madness?

@ Flavor
Oh look who decided to join the party..... Is there anything specific about PC that gave you a bad feeling. What about him leaving made you think he was scum..as both stown and scum leave the game earl sometimes. What about Lookers entrance gave you scum vibes?

Lucky for you, I was talking about Flavor Leaf.

[joges]

Wimpo, that seems like a massive overreaction? why did you claim when there's basically no pressure on you? and have you not noticed people like Kanna and i defending you? i mean come on, bro

By my count 4 idiots voting me cause I prefer to mislynch day 1 and others willing to. This game requires the ability to work together and based on their stupidity and the others lurking, I’ve decided I’m in a battle I don’t care to fight.

I’ve been bullied out of two games and force replaced for reporting somebody who broke site rules. My desire to fight is gone. I’m not replacing out anymore either. So I’ll park my vote on scum and just stop caring anymore. Nobody else seems to so I’ll join them.

How is your woe is me attitude any smarter than the people you're calling stupid? I think your definition of "working with one another" is "everyone agree with me" because you seem very abrasive.

[joges]

You don't think he is being abrasive by calling people "idiots"? Or what about mentioning their "stupidity"?

[joges]

Wimpo, that seems like a massive overreaction? why did you claim when there's basically no pressure on you? and have you not noticed people like Kanna and i defending you? i mean come on, bro

By my count 4 idiots voting me cause I prefer to mislynch day 1 and others willing to. This game requires the ability to work together and based on their stupidity and the others lurking, I’ve decided I’m in a battle I don’t care to fight.

I’ve been bullied out of two games and force replaced for reporting somebody who broke site rules. My desire to fight is gone. I’m not replacing out anymore either. So I’ll park my vote on scum and just stop caring anymore. Nobody else seems to so I’ll join them.

How is your woe is me attitude any smarter than the people you're calling stupid? I think your definition of "working with one another" is "everyone agree with me" because you seem very abrasive.

Bad post imo. Where are you seeing abrasiveness? Also why is that your first reaction as opposed to him being genuinely upset?

If Wimpy has decided that on D1 of a game of mafia that he wants to throw a fit because no one here is ever going to work with him ever then let him just go to the null corner and sit. He is welcomed back whenever he wants to put his toys back in his pram.

[joges]

Oh that’s kinda true. But still, I think the initial push on him was stupid too. Do you think the push was justified?/Do you think there’s no reason for him to be frustrated? Also again why is that your first reaction vs him being genuine?

On D1 everyone is frustrated to some degree. We are forced to sit here until a time limit, or until we can come to some consensus on who to lynch, with absolutely no information. Being frustrated is being town, this is not a secret. So when people are frustrated, it's null to me.

[joges]

Hey joges. At least I played the game. You can’t make that claim

I will give you this one. But anymore digs at me and you're going to have a bad time.

[joges]

I like Wimpy.
Wimpy thinks it's joges or Rex.
I think it's Invisibility or Rex.
Kanna voted Rex.
Kanna is smarter then me so
VOTE: Rex
I is smrt
~kbye~

So you town read Kanna?

[joges]

He just said hed perfer to mislynch D1.

Wheres the town motivation. Hmm? HMMM?

Yeah that’s misrep VOTE: Salamence20

Mislynch day 1 is actually preferable

Kanna why did Sala get your vote here, and why did you call it a misrep when it's pretty obviously not a misrep, and then why did you not vote or call out Looker for going the same route and voting Wimpy for the same thing?

I'm a girl, but VOTE: Wimpy.

You've had the most interaction, and, even if you're town...

Mislynch day 1 is actually preferable

Here we go again

[joges]

tbf though, I'm wondering if I was wrong about it being a scummy push because a lot of people have been bringing it up that way so maybe it's a misunderstanding. It's still a bad push though and with how much you guys are targeting Wimpy, he's probably town.

How do you feel about the inverse of Nicholai being universally town read?

[joges]

Oh that’s kinda true. But still, I think the initial push on him was stupid too. Do you think the push was justified?/Do you think there’s no reason for him to be frustrated? Also again why is that your first reaction vs him being genuine?

On D1 everyone is frustrated to some degree. We are forced to sit here until a time limit, or until we can come to some consensus on who to lynch, with absolutely no information. Being frustrated is being town, this is not a secret. So when people are frustrated, it's null to me.

Like what?

So you're saying he's perfectly justified to be frustrated even without the bad push? + frustration is townie but it's also null? (doesn't make sense btw)

Then why did you criticise him on it? Also you still didn't answer my question

You need to read slower. Because I said that town are naturally frustrated at this game, and since that is common knowledge it's something I don't use to determine who is what alignment. Because since it's common knowledge, what keeps all scum from just acting frustrated? That's why it is null to me.

[joges]

lastly just because a player is universally TR means that they are town....

Is this worded correctly?

[joges]

What motivation would ScumWimpy have to pick a fight with everyone?

[joges]

lastly just because a player is universally TR means that they are town....

Is this worded correctly?

So you mean to say "Just because a player is universally TR DOESN'T mean that they are town", right?

[joges]

I would've thought you would have already checked their ISO when you took over. It's not a stupid question, but then if your Scum you wouldn't need to I guess as you would know who is Town and can just call it your own reads

Here's a theory. This is a scum point of view. Why would a town player need to read what their replacement has done? I would think scum replacing in would want to see what kind of BS the previous player in their slot has posted or thought. People lying will care what their spot has said, people not lying will just start from their entrance and go.

Gjt asking this makes me think they have a scum point of view as I feel only scum would want to read the previous player said.

VOTE: Gjt

[joges]

prodge

Also, I'm off all day tomorrow with very little interruptions, so if you'd like to schedule a conversation now is your chance.

[joges]

Jorge
ok but you cant judge guilt of someone else by what you would do or not do. This is fuzzy logic and only i can have fuzzy logic

What I do as town, and how I act as town, and what I expect of town is exactly what I should, and you should (and everyone else should), base their reads off of. ESPECIALLY D1. I mean, what else am I supposed to go off of?

[joges]

this should be a fun time

I can't wait to hear why people scumread this slot

I wonder if it would be possible to somehow show at the top of a post that "x player replaced in for y player" I always forget who they replaced and have to go look it up.

Ank, are you town?

[joges]

Agree Gjt's vote was bad but jojes vote was opportunistic uhhh

Which vote?

[joges]

VOTE: Non

Start talking. If your town we need to see content so we can deduce that. Otherwise you become a player town simply cant afford to take to lylo

I don't like this interaction. We are a long way off of a LyLo, and you're already thinking about the set up of it. I'm fine with you voting him, but I'm not okay with your reasons for it. Especially the "if you're town" part. I would think you would need to see content so you can decide their alignment, but you're suggesting they only post if they're town. Seems weird.

[joges]

Ahh sorry it's Joges and I'm p sure I've been spelling it wrong this whole game. In my head, I'm pronouncing it, but Joges and Jojes sound the same

I think I'm the only one with a name that starts with a J here, so I think it's fine.

[joges]

me first me first

sorry, all booked up

[joges]

Jorge
ok but you cant judge guilt of someone else by what you would do or not do. This is fuzzy logic and only i can have fuzzy logic

What I do as town, and how I act as town, and what I expect of town is exactly what I should, and you should (and everyone else should), base their reads off of. ESPECIALLY D1. I mean, what else am I supposed to go off of?

But not everyone is...you? People can have different thought processes and that still be valid

Pedit: I’ll try and remember Joges from now on :>

Well, for me then, I look at people from the concept of "Would I say/do/act/react (and whatever else) like that, if I were them, and town". That's where I start. -shrug-

[joges]

Agree Gjt's vote was bad but jojes vote was opportunistic uhhh

Which vote?

This one. Kinda ties into what I said earlier; I personally don’t agree with Gjt vote/logic at all but it could still be a genuine thought process. The fact you’re voting him cause he looked bad was kinda opportunistic

I would've thought you would have already checked their ISO when you took over. It's not a stupid question, but then if your Scum you wouldn't need to I guess as you would know who is Town and can just call it your own reads

Here's a theory. This is a scum point of view. Why would a town player need to read what their replacement has done? I would think scum replacing in would want to see what kind of BS the previous player in their slot has posted or thought. People lying will care what their spot has said, people not lying will just start from their entrance and go.

Gjt asking this makes me think they have a scum point of view as I feel only scum would want to read the previous player said.

VOTE: Gjt

I don't see how starting a wagon on someone is opportunistic. Being the second vote, or putting someone on L1, is more of where I would check my "Is this opportunistic?" meter. I don't see how explaining my theory/reasoning behind my action can be deemed as opportunistic. I really feel like you're trying to say "scum hunting is opportunistic"...

[joges]

this should be a fun time

I can't wait to hear why people scumread this slot

I wonder if it would be possible to somehow show at the top of a post that "x player replaced in for y player" I always forget who they replaced and have to go look it up.

Ank, are you town?

Idk am I?

Well the odds are in your favour currently. It's D1 and games start with more town than scum. So... Probably?

[joges]

Agree Gjt's vote was bad but jojes vote was opportunistic uhhh

Which vote?

This one. Kinda ties into what I said earlier; I personally don’t agree with Gjt vote/logic at all but it could still be a genuine thought process. The fact you’re voting him cause he looked bad was kinda opportunistic

I would've thought you would have already checked their ISO when you took over. It's not a stupid question, but then if your Scum you wouldn't need to I guess as you would know who is Town and can just call it your own reads

Here's a theory. This is a scum point of view. Why would a town player need to read what their replacement has done? I would think scum replacing in would want to see what kind of BS the previous player in their slot has posted or thought. People lying will care what their spot has said, people not lying will just start from their entrance and go.

Gjt asking this makes me think they have a scum point of view as I feel only scum would want to read the previous player said.

VOTE: Gjt

I don't see how starting a wagon on someone is opportunistic. Being the second vote, or putting someone on L1, is more of where I would check my "Is this opportunistic?" meter. I don't see how explaining my theory/reasoning behind my action can be deemed as opportunistic. I really feel like you're trying to say "scum hunting is opportunistic"...

You know I’m not saying “scumhunting is opportunistic”. What I’m saying is at that moment, Gjt looked kinda bad and nomnomnom could potentially be open to voting him so you jumped in first.

Well let me just sit back and wait for someone to get to L1 and I'll hammer them. I won't bother you with any more of my input or decision making.

[joges]

Jorge
ok but you cant judge guilt of someone else by what you would do or not do. This is fuzzy logic and only i can have fuzzy logic

What I do as town, and how I act as town, and what I expect of town is exactly what I should, and you should (and everyone else should), base their reads off of. ESPECIALLY D1. I mean, what else am I supposed to go off of?

But not everyone is...you? People can have different thought processes and that still be valid

Pedit: I’ll try and remember Joges from now on :>

So how would you describe your own thought process.

I do find it bad to approach every player with cookie cutter mindset.

You need to know there own thought process

so you can tell if there actions match a town mind set. As each player will be different

Sorry, but I am not paying the fee required to become a mind reader. I would NEVER try to act like I know someone else's thought process. That is an exercise in futility. I just play from my own head.

[joges]

Agree Gjt's vote was bad but jojes vote was opportunistic uhhh

Which vote?

This one. Kinda ties into what I said earlier; I personally don’t agree with Gjt vote/logic at all but it could still be a genuine thought process. The fact you’re voting him cause he looked bad was kinda opportunistic

I would've thought you would have already checked their ISO when you took over. It's not a stupid question, but then if your Scum you wouldn't need to I guess as you would know who is Town and can just call it your own reads

Here's a theory. This is a scum point of view. Why would a town player need to read what their replacement has done? I would think scum replacing in would want to see what kind of BS the previous player in their slot has posted or thought. People lying will care what their spot has said, people not lying will just start from their entrance and go.

Gjt asking this makes me think they have a scum point of view as I feel only scum would want to read the previous player said.

VOTE: Gjt

I don't see how starting a wagon on someone is opportunistic. Being the second vote, or putting someone on L1, is more of where I would check my "Is this opportunistic?" meter. I don't see how explaining my theory/reasoning behind my action can be deemed as opportunistic. I really feel like you're trying to say "scum hunting is opportunistic"...

You know I’m not saying “scumhunting is opportunistic”. What I’m saying is at that moment, Gjt looked kinda bad and nomnomnom could potentially be open to voting him so you jumped in first.

Well let me just sit back and wait for someone to get to L1 and I'll hammer them. I won't bother you with any more of my input or decision making.

This isn’t a great reply. Jones could have said anything that would have made him seem more towny: scum!Joges doesn’t want to be lynched, town!Jojes doesn’t want to be mislynched. It wasn’t good logic for Jojes to reply this way, as all it does is makes him seem angry and unable to listen to reason.

There was no reason given other than my theory was opportunistic. Essentially, based on Kanna's thought process with me, you now look scummy because you pointed it out after she said it looked bad.

[joges]

There's also only 3 days left; what is everyone thinking?

This game right now reminds me of:



Has there even been a decent wagon yet?

[joges]

Less than three days before deadline and the biggest wagon is on "Not Voting"

[joges]

What's the VC?

[joges]

i'm behind and vla until tomorrow at the earliest, tuesday evening at the latest

[joges]

Can someone just point me to the point where MB became scum? I'm short on time and if I try to catch up I'll just run out of it before the deadline. Which is probably more like tonight before I go to bed for me.

[joges]

do not like

town

full claiming unless they have to

This is where you are misreading

Yoooooo, you aren't suspicious about Fuzzy (i mean i know you're voting but you haven't mentioned this little tidbit) that they just spoke in a definite?

[joges]

VOTE: invis

[joges]

do not like

town

full claiming unless they have to

This is where you are misreading

Yoooooo, you aren't suspicious about Fuzzy (i mean i know you're voting but you haven't mentioned this little tidbit) that they just spoke in a definite?

VOTE: joges Do you think that bob3141 is town?

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I don't remember anyone doing anything D1 singlehandedly.

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@bob3141

: Do you believe that joges is town?

Spoiler:

(2) invisibility

- flavor leaf, thefuzzylogic99

(1) joges

- looker

(1) flavor leaf

- gjt

not voting (7) - invisibility, ankamius, SausasaurusRex, kanna, joges, bob3141, non lmh

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

Why are you voting me? Only Bob's 760 stands out to me from his posts. I think others are more likely scum before Bob though. Like invis, because obviously FL is smarter than me so I'm just going to do what he wants.

[joges]

What's the likelihood of a scum neighborizer?

As with everything, it's 50/50. You never answered me btw.

[joges]

You never answered me either

You don't consider 1358 an answer?

[joges]

VOTE: looker

[joges]

This is a prodge. I'm off work next three days. See you all during that time.