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[Wimpy]

Good morning.

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Self voting does not equal scum tell...

It should though.

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Voting for yourself makes zero sense so I guess we’ve got something in common

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I’m Boonskiies.

I’m Salamence20

I am Batman

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I’m Boonskiies.

I’m Salamence20

I am Batman

VOTE: Wimpy

Lynch all liars.

can you prove I’m lying?

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i don’t think that’s how it works. I claimed I am Batman. You say I’m lying. You don’t know I am. The burden is on you to prove I’m lying which you can’t.

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you don’t know if I am*

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Self voting does not equal scum tell...

It should though.

VOTE: Wimpy

Why is that vote worthy?

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Who is that directed at?

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You haven’t seen combative yet.

I was just curious why a factual statement received a vote.

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Why did you think that was combative?

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why does it matter?

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what does this mean?

it means he is the backup mod for this game and he is making a post so it appears in his post list.

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why is self-voting scum-indicative out of interest?

It isn't scum indicative, but it should be.

if in response to my question, voting progresses the game in rvs while saying hi does not

I don't have the same opinion about rvs as most people do so I typically don't vote in rvs.

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based on what? unless you are an alt, you have no game experience with kanna

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ah ok

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Well kanna has only 1 completed game and a skim of that game, I don't see early obv towning. i can't comment on ongoing games so I don't believe you.

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I didn't call you scum for it though, not sure why you thought that.

It's weird for you to lie about as any alignment, if you were referring to an ongoing game which it seems you were, then I can't comment on that.

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I agree with rex about meta

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not sure why Wimpy became so defensive

I wasn't being defensive, i was just joking around.

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This site is dying

been dead imo. nobody cares and now the site has killed me too. only on this site can the innocent be prosecuted and the guilty treated like a king.

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yeah, I am just here to kill time like everyone else.

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VOTE: Salamence his ISO is sludgy

(note this is not an OMGUS, i actually intuitively townread people who vote me by default)

What does sludgy mean in this context?

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This is probscum.

Why?

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163 is a bad post
UNVOTE:

anyway you can tag or quote going forward? easier to see what you're talking about when I am on a mobile. if not that's ok.

Thanks

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nope nothing to add. can't quite figure out who i want to vote yet.

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I don't really like Sal's answer to my question and kind of irritated nicholai ignored mine. neither of these are good enough reason to vote.

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Mislynch day 1 is actually preferable

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Ok thanks

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Mislynch day 1 is actually preferable

i've heard that's true because associatives are king, but i doubt lynching scum day 1 has a lower win rate than lynching scum day 2

or does it?

I don't really know if anyone has analyzed the data but this game - https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81277 ended up being a town loss.

I have played others where lylo could have gone either way.

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skimming other games really isn't that effective a strategy. That's like less reliable than actually having meta which isn't a good strategy either.

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Mislynch day 1 is actually preferable

I actualy dont get why if your town, that you woudl think this. As scum lynchs are always preferable to mislynches. Especially day one scum lynches as the scum are put on the back foot very early. If as town we lynch one of their number

Just sort of talked about why so I don’t see why you’d post it considering you did just read what my thought process was.

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I mean I always am happy when scum is lynched, it just in my experience it makes the game harder and i hate losing.

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but like D1 scum lynch, Day 2-5 townies lynched or D1 townie lynched, Day 2-5 maybe one more lynched (or the final 2)

I will take the 2nd scenario. I have seen the first happen too many times. it's all just personal preference

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What is obvious to one isn’t obvious to another. With two dead it’s much easier. With a 2 man team though it’s harder.

Also people tend to hold their existing reads in lylo. They don’t truly reevaluate.

There is a reason why townies are left to lylo. They aren’t very good or they are scummy.

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Mislynch day 1 is actually preferable

no

Yes

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He just said hed perfer to mislynch D1.

Wheres the town motivation. Hmm? HMMM?

where is the town motivation for an easier path to town victory?

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For worrying about mislynching

Except I’m not worrying about it

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...right Wimpy? don't make me look like a fool here man

I mean not going to lie it’s not a good reason go vote and I don’t like his previous answer to my question but I just don’t see anything alignment indicative from it.

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Wimpy, if you were a one-shot cop who could investigate pregame, and you had a night 0 investigative guilty on joges let's say, would you out to have joges lynched at any point today? or let a mislynch happen instead?

I’d death tunnel him to oblivion.

But day 1 we aren’t going to know for sure.

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Can you please stop buddying me. Let me play my way. I’ll vote who I want and when I’m ready to vote. I don’t scum read sal so I’m not going to vote sal.

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Like I’m not going to say somebody is town and vote them. I’m still going to try and lynch who I think is scum. I just won’t get upset if I’m wrong.

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He’s null. I am having trouble seeing why scum sal would play like he is. I just don’t see why town sal would either.

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VOTE: joges

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Cause reasons.

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I do. Well actually I consider it something else but we’ll go with nai cause it’s easier.

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Pm sent.

no actual pm was sent as it’s against the rules

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Pm sent.

no actual pm was sent as it’s against the rules

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I mean technically there is no rule against me PM’ing somebody in this game for non game related reasons. Telling somebody who my main is isn’t a game related reason

That said if I wanted people to know who I was, I wouldn’t have created a new account.

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also, it's pretty obvious who you are Wimpy, no PM needed. same goes for you posskop, i'd recognise that majestic snake anywhere

Darn. Back to the grass for me I guess

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Wimpy youre pretty cool when youre not a petty sumbitch

Gee thanks Wally. I think you’re pretty swell yourself.

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I’m really not liking what Winpy’s saying

Geeze. I don’t like what you’re saying but you don’t see me voting you. How rude

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What about what I’m saying don’t you like and why does that make me scum? Don’t be vague

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I think Nicholai is town now

Also please explain the weird 180

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This stood out as scummy to me over all other posts

why is it scummy though? just cause you don't agree with me doesn't make it scummy.

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This argument was used by Salamence, and was called misrepresentation. I don't see how this is misrepresentation, as it is a direct quote, and so cannot be misrepresented.

i think the misrepresentation comes because sal said I am worried about it. that is a misrep cause it's just not even true nor is it what i said. why don't you see that sal did misrep me?

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I also explained my logic behind it. you didn't comment on that at all. you didn't try to point out where my logic is flawed. You say you want somebody to explain the logic, but that has been done already.

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the funny thing all of this was explained and talked about before you actually voted me and you act like you didn't see any of it.

I don't know if you are scum or not but you are on the ignore/don't want to work with list. You are either scum or being super lazy

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I’m not voting him. That’s me cutting him some slack. Being new doesn’t excuse his behavior. It doesn’t excuse him for ignoring pages of posts/discussions about the very thing he voted me for. He asks for my logic to be explained but it’s already been explained.

What kills me is he said if somebody provides good logic he’ll unvote. Good logic is subjective. The logic good or bad has been provided. If somebody doesn’t agree with it, that’s fine but just cause you don’t agree doesn’t make me scum.

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reading rex's iso. he has a lot of nerve accusing two people of not contributing to discussion considering he is just as guilty of it himself. i am not fan of hypocrites. If he is town, he definitely needs to step up his game.

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I think Nicholai is town. That's the vibe I get while reading his posts.

and why does he leave joges off?

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I could really convince myself rex is scum here but I am trying not to. I don't want to repeat of my past games.

I feel like this is just bad town.

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also rex basically copies joge's statement about nicholai. it's weird they both just do 180s

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I'm still a newb, so I'm milking the status for all it's worth. 5 complete games, that's the goal rn, leave me be.

since bob is commenting on non's post. this right here irks me. Nobody should leave you alone. you have more than 2 completed games, you aren't a n00b anymore. Even if you were, you don't get a free pass for being a n00b

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that one made me laugh.

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Wimpy
what do you make of Nicholai defense maybe even white knighting of you?

Not a fan tbh. But at least two people did a 180 on him without any logical reason so that scares me more rn

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fuzzy, it's less about defending Wimpo and more about pointing out bad arguments, hence why Salsa and Dino are my bottom reads right now. that's some fuzzy logic you get there

Yeah I don’t have an issue with people doing that. Anyone who voted me for my personal opinion has questionable judgement

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I don’t understand why you quoted those together.

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is it your playstyle to make as little sense as possible or is it just this game?

p.edit @ invisivbility

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he's saying you said you don't link me defending you, but at the same time like me pointing out arguments which you agree are bad.

I never said that though.

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Yes that’s what I’m saying. The disconnect is I can be fine with issue you (or anyone) doing that and still not town read you (them).

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Edit fail lol

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I don’t really consider him calling out bad votes for bad reasons a defense but I forgot I’m dealing with people who can’t think outside of the box.

So no I don’t see his “defense” of me as bad but I’m suspect of the obvious buddying of me he’s been doing. Regardless of his alignment he’s right in calling out people voting me for my opinion on day 1. It’s not AI and anyone who suggests it is is just wrong. (I’ll keep my true opinions to myself).

That’s why I questioned the weird 180 that actually two people have done. I really don’t see anything he’s done that’s obvious town.

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Rex has voted the same as sal twice. Not sure if that means anything but note worthy

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reading rex's iso. he has a lot of nerve accusing two people of not contributing to discussion considering he is just as guilty of it himself. i am not fan of hypocrites. If he is town, he definitely needs to step up his game.

That’s sort of what I was getting at here. Rex hasn’t had an original push or thought yet

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The amount of people not contributing is sort of proving sal’s statement correct

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Everyone lurks.

This site is dying

VOTE: Salamence

Seems a good way to make town not care about the game is to lull them to depression with negative insight.

Honestly, this is a stretch, but nothing else has stood out.

Concerning the self vote, it's RVS. And no amount of making it anything more than that will make it more than that.

Which makes this vote kind of bad. Joges is either scum or town proving sal correct.

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Joges, Rex, non, kop, invisible and flavor all could do more.

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Joges takes offense to what sal said meanwhile joges is lurking thus proving sal’s point

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But skitter. She’s the worst. Do something;)

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We could use a VC

Esp here: Give me like three hours.

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mod I tend to be v/la on weekends.

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joges and rex both logged on since their last posts and nothing here. tinfoil hat, what if they were talking in their scum chat

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I'm not a heavy poster.

it's fine if you aren't a heavy poster but you aren't even a middle of the road poster. You are a lurker. You voted sal for saying something and you have essentially proved him right. That's a problem for me.

You don't really explain why you did a 180, you aren't really trying to find scum, you aren't making any game advancing posts.

Like it's fine to be a low poster, if the posts you do make actually have content in them and right now they don't.

I think you are scum because of all of this. if you are town, prove me wrong. Do something.

if you are town, you are not helping right now.


sorry for the harshness but it's the truth.

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What bait? If somebody votes you it’s completely justified. You can’t claim you’re intentionally lurking until somebody votes you and then expect us to believe you when you call them scum

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Whoever you’re baiting. You’re going to have trouble convincing people

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Whoever you’re baiting. You’re going to have trouble convincing people

I’m quite persuasive.

I’ve heard. You’ve pretty much lost me though. Maybe some others

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Still think that’s a bad reason but maybe it’s common to take it that way?^

It is a bad reason. Everyone who used it is an idiot. So that’s like half the game. So I’m fine being the mislynch. This is supposed to be a team game but there’s like 4/5 people who I won’t be able to work with so me dying is better than me being frustrated.

I at least called it. Flavor did exactly what I said he was going to do. At first he didn’t but that was for show since I called him out on it.

@flavor. I didn’t try to discredit you btw. I merely spoke the truth. Truth hurts sometimes but that’s your own fault.

Joges or Rex are who I think are scum. I’m vt.

Good luck town.

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Wimpo, that seems like a massive overreaction? why did you claim when there's basically no pressure on you? and have you not noticed people like Kanna and i defending you? i mean come on, bro

By my count 4 idiots voting me cause I prefer to mislynch day 1 and others willing to. This game requires the ability to work together and based on their stupidity and the others lurking, I’ve decided I’m in a battle I don’t care to fight.

I’ve been bullied out of two games and force replaced for reporting somebody who broke site rules. My desire to fight is gone. I’m not replacing out anymore either. So I’ll park my vote on scum and just stop caring anymore. Nobody else seems to so I’ll join them.

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all it needs is.a self vote amirite

I’d never do that. Only scum and idiots do that.

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By my count 4 idiots voting me

Was 4.

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i'm disappointed, Wimpo. trying to figure out if this is just you or this is scum. it just feels... really premature for scum to do this though, weigh in for me here, Kanna. Rex is still suspect numero uno at the moment though

I’m disappointed also. This is me. This isn’t some scum ploy. If people want to scum read me for my personal belief, that’s cool. I just am unable to work with them which means I have no chance of actually getting anyone I want lynched, lynched.

If you’re town, thanks for being cool. If you’re scum nice job buddying me.

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Hey joges. At least I played the game. You can’t make that claim

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I say I prefer a mislynch. OMG SCUM!!

flavor advocates one. Crickets

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VOTE: rex

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Kana starting to see joges is scum.

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@bob unfortunately in my sig I say I won’t be doing it anymore but there is plenty in my iso to make you consider why rex is scummy and possibly scum.

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I came in this game planning not to care. I started to care. I regret caring. I don’t care anymore.

I’m just here cause I’m bored

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And I don’t know why there’s is a debate still about did or didn’t sal misrep me. It was already proven he did.

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VOTE: Wimpy

For worrying about mislynching

Misrep

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Now we can end that stupid discussion

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And nobody should be town reading flavor. Aside from his earlier lurking. He’s too experienced to believe we should just give up day 1 once somebody claims VT.

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Ok boomer

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You come off as a person who over inflates his accomplishments. Think you’re gods gift to the game. You may fool others but from what I’ve seen you aren’t doing anything impressive. You did exactly what I said you’d do. You also stopped lurking when I decided to make it a bigger issue.

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Both of their reason to jump on the wagon are bad

What is my reason?

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Thoughts
not sure why Wimpy became so defensive over something so pointless as an obvious fake claim. Everyone knows there is no Batman role so to get all twisted makes zero sense. The question is this a town response or a scum response.

You can’t call me bad after making this post btw. You interpreted an obvious joke as serious.

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And if you think I’m scum. Vote me. Get others to vote me. Vote parking on somebody who is universally town read isn’t progressing the game state

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It feels like it is possible that Non lmh or Wimpy might be scum jumping on the popular wagon.

I had rex as a scum read before Kanna voted rex and this is quite evident in my post history so twisting me joining the wagon when the only two viable wagons atm are myself and Rex is very scummy. If you are town you seriously need to start paying attention and not misrep people.

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You read my iso and you think that’s the reason why I’m voting him? There is way more in my iso. If I was going to vote somebody for misrepping me I would have voted sal who was the one who misrepped me not rex.


The timing of my vote came after we actually had a vote count and I noticed one of the two people I thought was scum, actually had votes on him and the other person I think is scum didn’t. My god dude if you are town pay attention please.

Correct. Just cause somebody is universally townread doesn’t mean they are town but nobody is going to lynch that person until evidence is provided to suggest he is scum. You haven’t provided anything to suggest it. Your vote is being wasted. Much like my joges vote was.

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I never once said Rex misrepped me fwiw. So you’re just speaking out of your ass.

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In the game of mafia though you’re a boomer.

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I’m not discrediting you.

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I’m not even picking a fight with anyone. Why do you think that?

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@flavor. People who brag about their accomplishments is boomer like. millenials tend to be modest. You aren’t modest. If you take offense to that’s, I’m sorry but I take offense to you bragging about past games while doing nothing this game.

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Discredit discredit discredit, Jogey bear.

It establishes a voice to not allow players to gain momentum.

That’s a load of crap

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If anything. Scum has more motivation to call everything negative about them Discrediting. Look at president scum. Anyone say anything about him and they are wrong or fake news. You prevent people from being able to come after you.

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I’m super modest.

This is actually a thing I’ve done on multiple occasions, and multiple occasions it has caught scum.

Doesn’t sound like it to me

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You’re creating a false narrative to better your positioning against me

Yeah that will never happen. People will scum read me even more cause I dare challenge you. I’ve already got one foot out the door. I don’t care about my position in this game. I don’t ever want anyone to wonder what I’m thinking. I don’t hold my cards close to my chest. I’m all in

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I’ve also done more than the majority of players in this game, and have been a focus even when I’m not playing, so that’s another false narrative you’re pushing, which is the exact point of pushing a surface level lurker play.

This is a lie.

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You’ve done absolutely nothing.

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I’m also the 3rd highest poster, even before this little spat of posts

Yet you’ve done no scum hunting. Congrats for being a spam poster n

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Scum can’t come after me without being ready to take me on.

And you discourage town from doing it. That’s a lousy way to play

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Then check yo hearing.

Bragging isn’t being modest. Sorry you can keep spewing that lie but I know the truth.

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I’ve done town hunting.

Like I said. You’ve done nothing

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I’m not arguing with an arrogant player who bullies his way thorough games. It’s not worth my time or energy.

I’m just going to ignore you.

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Wimpy
The only other thing I can find is that he was online and did post anything.

Please read the game. Or damn iso me and search rex.

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You can go ahead and push your hate. Whatever it is you’re going through in real life, I hope it gets better soon.

This is uncalled for and I’m reporting you. No need to make things personal.

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You can go ahead and push your hate. Whatever it is you’re going through in real life, I hope it gets better soon.

This is uncalled for and I’m reporting you. No need to make things personal.

I was just being genuine and reaching out whole heartedly towards you in a caring way, I won’t bring it up on a personal level again.

No. You crossed a line. Just cause I don’t like you bragging in this game doesn’t mean I have issues in real life.

You’re a disgusting human being for even implying such a thing.

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Nobody came at you with unwarranted hate.

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To make it personal like that is inexcusable.

I called out your lurking. That’s justified.

I took offense to you bragging while contributing nothing useful this game. That’s justifed.

That isn’t personal hatred. That’s game play my man. I’m playing the game. You made it personal. It’s unnecessary, unappreciated, and against the rules.

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I’m not rb.

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Whatever happens. My scum reads are joges and rex.

Fuzzy could be because he accused me of having bad reasons but didn’t even know what they are. He also thinks it’s ok to vote park on a universally town read player and thinks it’s scummy to vote somebody who I have thought was scum before a wagon formed on him and now one is forming I want to be a part of it.

Flavor will hopefully be gone. If not he should be lynched ASAP. It’s clear he wants to fight anyone who says anything negative about him and that is detrimental to the game.

Goodnight

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The fact you think this has something to do with outside influences just shows you’re either scum or completely out of touch. This has nothing to do with anything outside of 2114.

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I’ve actively not fought with you.

Yes you have. Taking the game outside of the game proves it. Personally insulting me and now trying to accuse me of coming after you for non game reasons just proves it.

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Goodnight. I will just Prod dodge from here on out.