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[Egix96]

VOTE: JT Bartholomew

Stay outta my cabbage patch, or else you'll be eating slugs.

[Egix96]

i'm not sure this discussion is the greatest way to start the game. Wimpy gave his answer, Alch acknowledge it, and if Wimpy felt attacked/uncomfortable with the question that's on him to communicate.

what does your own post want to accomplish besides continuing a likely uncomfortable thread of discussion? let's stick to the game here.

VOTE: profii

pedit: my post definitely seems unnecessary now, but i'll leave it in. i personally found Wimpy's posts on the subject useful for the general mindset thing i mentioned earlier.

I'm a sad person trying not to be quite so sad

mood

VOTE: profii

Quick post before I head to sleep: Where did these votes come from?

[Egix96]

why ask about those votes in particular?

I was curious as to why you had voted profii when (afaict) your only prior mention of him was you +1'ing one of his posts. Now I get that just because you agree with someone on something doesn't mean you have to TR them, but to me your vote still seemed like it was coming out of left field.

As for insom, I found it strange that he was seemingly sheeping a vote with little basis, but I do find his explanation:

For Ame, I had an initial scum read on profii, nothing too strong, just a gut feeling upon seeing his first vote. I never decided to chase that read but now that Chara voted I thought they had the same idea of scum reading Profii so I decided to vote as well.

... to be adequate.

[Egix96]

I'm almost ready; I promise. Do I go after

the Pokemon

or the demon slayer? These games take too long to start. The Mad Prince or the cute guy with the glasses...? Post restrictions? No...

My head, it is a-shaking.

I do not recognise who could be a killer of devils, or an insane son of a king. Would it be possible to identify them in some other manner, mayhaps?

[Egix96]

i voted profii for 10, mainly.

For the same reason as Insom? Huh. I genuinely had no issue with it.

[Egix96]

Pokemon = Egix
Demon slayer = Ame
Mad Prince = Luca
Glasses = JT

@Egix: Do you have any thoughts on JT

Thanks. I only needed the middle two though, I had already figured out the others

As for your question: No, I really don't have much to say about what he's written so far. I would rather wait for him to have more posts first.

[Egix96]

I kind of agree with you on profii. Last game I played with him he felt pretty obviously town. Granted I was scum in that game so I didn't exactly have to read him too much but I could never push him either. Not quite getting the same vibes from him here as he's been mostly under the radar.

Imagine for a moment that profii is someone you've never played a game with before - what do you think of him now?

[Egix96]

Okay, I think I'm here now. First, the simple approach.

@Ame / JTheophrastus Bartholomew / Luca Blight / Egix96 / profii:

Who among you is town? I don't really expect any of you to know, but it's good for managing consistency in the future. I personally have no idea.

VOTE: Luca Blight Votes keep the game moving

I think that profii is town. I'm also at null-town on Ame because I agree with Chara's reasoning in 164.

One thing I find interesting about this wagon is that no one has really jumped to profii's defense. Most people seem to have him as a scumread and/or are voting him right now. Is anybody townreading him right now? If so why?

I am, and it's for something similar to what you've pointed out here - I think that he's been under too much suspicion for too little reasoning (or, to put it another way, I see people voting him but I don't find the reasoning to be all that compelling). I would be very surprised if he flipped red.

[Egix96]

Okay, I think I'm here now. First, the simple approach.

@Ame / JTheophrastus Bartholomew / Luca Blight / Egix96 / profii:

Who among you is town? I don't really expect any of you to know, but it's good for managing consistency in the future. I personally have no idea.

VOTE: Luca Blight Votes keep the game moving

Why did you pick these names for this question. Why did you vote Luca out of all of them?

I don't like the direction you're taking with this question. Hopefully I should not be needing to elaborate.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Alchemist

[Egix96]

So your read on profii is town because our reasoning for accusing him is lackluster? That makes him an auto town?

That's basically it yeah.

[Egix96]

Hopefully I should not be needing to elaborate.

Please do.

Spoiler:

[Egix96]

Yes you need to elaborate, because this looks like you’re just making an easy jump onto my wagon.

Ah, but then it would be too soon...

[Egix96]

Egix:
- disagreeing with reasons to scumread someone should be a null read.
- unless you're scumreading the players on profii?

(Bulletting added by me)
- I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.
- If I had to call one of the profii voters scum, I would probably say you, but I really don't feel strongly about that.

[Egix96]

Other parts of the case brought against the Chimera are not valid! However!

One-eye's reduction of the events that have transpired is suspicious!

Doom!

VOTE: Chara

I'm confused, where has Chara done that?

[Egix96]

One thing I find interesting about this wagon is that no one has really jumped to profii's defense. Most people seem to have him as a scumread and/or are voting him right now. Is anybody townreading him right now? If so why?

I am, and it's for something similar to what you've pointed out here - I think that he's been under too much suspicion for too little reasoning (or, to put it another way, I see people voting him but I don't find the reasoning to be all that compelling). I would be very surprised if he flipped red.

Are you townreading him regardless of the fact that his push has had no resistance? Like what are your thoughts on his posting right now?

Generally slight town vibes, nothing concrete I could point to tho.

[Egix96]

You might need to elaborate bc I'm not sure what you're getting at here

The problem is that I probably said too much.

[Egix96]

Lowkey tending to town read Eevee as well. Lurkers are usually under the mindset that they will lie somewhere in the PoE and will be a suspect regardless, so what I'm looking for here is some form of posting that speaks from the mindset of "Look, I might not be here a lot, but when I am I really do stuff", some form of self-awareness.

Eevee seems to be more like a town lurker, mainly because she (/he ?) doesn't care about what she posts when she comes in the thread. It's like, I see a post, I react to it, I pop out, shrug. There's not really an agenda of trying to look like she's doing too much work in order to get town read.

Hope that makes sense.

It does, yes.

[Egix96]

as for Looker, just an assumption that might be wrong, that's on me

Tbf, when I played a game with Looker before (Big Four) their pronoun changed a couple times iirc.

[Egix96]

You don't recall correctly.

Can you find the Town in the following line-up? { Luca Blight | JTheophrastus Bartholomew | AaronFrost | Chara }

Probably Luca if I had to guess, but that's only because he vibed to me as the townier of the two in the Luca/Aaron exchange.

[Egix96]

You might need to elaborate bc I'm not sure what you're getting at here

The problem is that I probably said too much.

And then there’s this. I really don’t get what your angle is here. How is it “saying too much” to say something about my post towards Looker?

You might need to elaborate bc I'm not sure what you're getting at here

The problem is that I probably said too much.

Quite the opposite actually.

I'm very confused by your play right now.

Okay, after some deliberation, I'm willing to say this much:

I think I know why Looker chose to include me, at least.

[Egix96]

Why is frost lolcatting?

[Egix96]

Oh, I see.

[Egix96]

You know you wanna hammer me

I'm willing to do the honours as long as everyone's ready.

[Egix96]

VOTE: Chara

Okay...

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Aaronfrost

I'm actually gonna have limited access this evening, so yeah someone else can hammer if they want.

[Egix96]

I’d rather get the confscum out of the way in case he’s a PR.

Ohhh, I thought this meant "... in case {Chara is} a (town) PR" at first.

Yeah, why didn't Aaron make any effort to try and cover up the slip? Something does seem off about that. I can imagine scumPR!Aaron not giving up so easily.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Chara

I'll take you up on this, Ame.

[Egix96]

Pretty sure egix hammered it.

Well I'm pretty sure Ame's vote was on Aaron before they voted Chara.

[Egix96]

oh shit I almost ruined that lol.

[Egix96]

Yes you need to elaborate, because this looks like you’re just making an easy jump onto my wagon.

Ah, but then it would be too soon...

were you going to elaborate on your Alch vote today?

No.

[Egix96]

One more point on Egix: He seems to think that Looker was target hunting for her PR or establishing a hypocop or something? Yet he brought attention to this in the most overt anti-town way possible. He attempted to make it look like he was protecting town secrets, but if he were genuinely doing so, the best thing to do would have to not say anything at all.

Thing is though, I did feel that Alchemist could be scum and I wished to make that known. But yes, I'll admit that I probably could have handled the situation differently.

and i like the Egix read. joining Ame on me was a gut-ping i was really unwilling to pursue due to both personal bias and that i was very distracted by the prospect of being lynched over confscum, but on ISOing Egix i'm reminded of 249, and then the comment about Frost lolcatting. going from that to "oh, i see" upon presumably seeing the slip is a bit if a strange reaction. why ask why Frost is lolcatting in the first place, and how do you notice what that looks like?

> I wake up
> I click to the latest post ITT and read backwards from there
> I see Aaron spamming YT vids and saying stuff like "Much wifom indeed", "Maybe that was my plan all along *wink*", "Pagetop motherf**kers" which I can only construe as scum memeing because they're outed
> But I'm confused because it's normally impossible for scum to be guiltied on Day 1, hence 495
> Then of course once I read back further I see what happened.

[Egix96]

let’s end the day? It feels like most of us are waiting for it.

Yeah I'm fine with it.

VOTE: AaronFrost

I have a feeling Ame might have hammered it with his vote, but just in case.

[Egix96]

oh shit I almost ruined that lol.

Almost ruined what?

I hadn't realised that Insom's 538 was a reaction test, and if I had posted before Chara it would have ruined the test.

[Egix96]

Ame is wolfy

how is he wolfy?

He's persistently insisted that his entire solve is within OS+Egix+Looker. Presented with new information (3-man hood) that both undermines parts of his reasoning (associatives/subtext of the pair) and strongly suggests his full solve is not correct he immediately doubles down on his push with 0 reexamination or questions for clarification. That's the opposite of a town reaction and outside my threshold of a town tunnel

Also his EoD posts yesterday were awful and I was only giving him a pass because of his tone today so this is now a pattern of open wolfing

No, I don't buy this, based on #827 Ame thinks Looker and I are town now. To me it reads like you're cornered scum who's scrambling to get Ame lynched instead.

VOTE: ObviousScum

[Egix96]

based on #827 Ame thinks Looker and I are town now.

So you are voting him because Ame thinks you guys are town? What do YOU think about looker?

On D1 I felt that Looker was town, but since Alch flipped town my read there has kinda reset

[Egix96]

srs talk tho, suggestions for what to replace for 'c---' in the copypasta?

'Nerds'

[Egix96]

What did you think Al was trying to do? Even with the neighborhood claim, I still don't get it.

I thought that Alch might be trying to rolefish Looker...
Yes, I realise this sounds lame in hindsight since there's a chance scum knew about the hood from the beginning, but that was the hunch I was operating on at the time.

In other news, I have no idea whether to believe the neapol claim or not. I ended up not seeing it until after I posted my vote and then spent 10+ minutes sat there with my head in my hands unable to decide.

[Egix96]

UNVOTE:

Sorry for being a total slowpoke, I'll look at this again in the morning

[Egix96]

In other news, I have no idea whether to believe the neapol claim or not. I ended up not seeing it until after I posted my vote and then spent 10+ minutes sat there with my head in my hands unable to decide.

okay then realize I'm town independently of the claim, you're voting me right now because you think I lied about thinking Ame's reaction to the hood claim was awful?

I thought that you were misrepping him in an effort to get gullible townies to swing the lynch the other way

[Egix96]

The Luca TR is also TMI. Luca's response to his copypasta is the exact sort of post I would make as scum. IC unwarranted. Obvs has shown to be too smart to make such a read.

(btw what does IC mean?)

IC = Innocent Child. Why are you saying it's "unwarranted" when you don't know what it means?

[Egix96]

Youre neighbours right? Just wanna confirm

Yes
Me/OS/Looker all neighbours

[Egix96]

Have yall discussed anything as a group or is it like every neighbour hood/masonry ive been in and dead silence with like one line all game

It's been mostly quiet in there.

[Egix96]

Been rereading the thread this afternoon. Here's what I've got so far:

Spoiler:

Macabre is town. This is a 100% serious read.

V/LA today. Be back tomorrow.

What has Macabre posted in here that he couldn’t post as scum as well?

Your read is awfully rushed. What’s the basis for your read?

VOTE: Aaron Frost

Personally I lean slightly towards Macabre being TMI'd town from this. As for insom's post, I think that it's bad scum play to bring attention to something a partner wrote this soon.

-snip-

What was the point of this post by the way? It made me sick to my stomach actually. It feels really weird and it's like against the grain with the thread state. What were you hoping to achieve with this? I get you know he replaced out of games, but what was this achieving? I felt it really unnecessary.

It's totally off-topic and I interpreted it as a personal attack rather than an attempt at figuring out anything.

What was the point of bringing attention to it?

I don't like how overexaggerated this post is.

It was just a simple question.

Looks like I found

my first serious scum read

this game.

VOTE: insomnia

Considering the reasoning that Aaron gives here, I honestly find it quite hard to see this as being SvS.

76 - "What was the reasoning behind your profii vote and your switch to Alchemist here? *votes profii*" Am I the only one who finds this a bit odd?

101 - Well, Alch did at least.

The Colonel is no Chimera: the Chimera is the one with two heads, not one, not three: exactly two. The one referred to by the scarf boy, in a manner most unclear, as being partners in crime with the sleepy boy! Illumination!

Wait a minute:

(p#29) isn't scummy, but it is a tad bit off, and gives me the impression that profii is anxious to establish rapport with somni.

Wouldn't this suggest profii scum -> insom town though?

Do not allow yourselves to be misled from the work of this scarf boy, or how the burger has voted the crow for casting a ballot for the same person the burger had. Distraction!

This feels like a misrep - as far as I can tell, Wimpy voted you because he couldn't stand the way you talk. The fact that you voted Alch after he did seems to have been irrelevant.

I have no idea what Macabre is trying to say but it's making me laugh my ass off

On the other hand, this seems to spew Macabre town. I'm thinking that Aaron would have seen Macabre in a more serious light if they were partners.

160 - Refer to my note on 127.

It wouldn’t call it a scum read but yes that was the reason. I don’t know why people are asking about it.

Just trying to figure out your reason behind the read to figure out if it's a genuine or fabricated read.

Your reasons feel pretty genuine to me.

Feels +town for Wimpy, especially {bolded}.

Permanent townread on the guy with the glasses - you make me feel comfortable. Beauty is really reassuring.

Feels kinda pockety towards JTB.

218 - I'm aware that this was a topic of discussion earlier. I'm of the opinion that it's +town for Ame, as it seems to have been quite a significant continuity error on Aaron's part, which scum would surely not have wished to draw attention to.

221 - On the other hand, it doesn't read to me like Aaron was particularly flustered by that question. This

could

mean that, in a world where Ame is scum with Aaron, they made sure Aaron had a suitable defence before Ame questioned him.

I think Ame is town fwiw.

@insomnia

- Do you recall why you thought this?

I've had egix in the obv town category since around his prodding into the profii votes. His posting style is so happy-go-lucky and lacks guilt / nervousness.

Well, this aged well! I actually find it quite astounding that you went from this to "remaining scums are Egix/JTB GG".

Please elaborate on your Wimpy Townread too.

It's a weak read mostly based on gut tbh but

he comes off as honest

if a little blunt.

More spew in Wimpy's favour.

Are you townreading him regardless of the fact that his push has had no resistance?

Looking at this post again... what's up with the logic here? Usually a push having no resistance ==> person being pushed on is town (conversely, resistance to a wagon implies that target is scum). It's not a matter of 'regardless' at all. Idk, does this spew profii town since Aaron was trying to use faulty logic to make me change my mind about him??

Actually no cuz like people will say it’s t/t if we go at each other

Even if the whole sequence that this line was part of was somehow scum theatre, then I would say that saying this out loud only defeats the purpose.

[Egix96]

VOTE: Looker

Fine with going here for now

See you guys in ~3 hours

[Egix96]

also adding the ELA question after the VC is just... idk weird. idk scummy but sometimes scum do 'just weird' stuff from cognitive load

Based on what little prior experience I have with Looker (Big Four) I think it's just something they do naturally.

Spoiler: OT

why do people keep linking posts that are not the post in the number lol

Maybe it's because people aren't realising that you can just do (post)###(/post) and the forum will automatically reformat it when you preview. No need to put the post ID in the opening tag.

I still think Aaron spews Mac town and given my lack of desire to reread Mac I am very tempted to just leave my read of him there tbh

Agreed.

Thinking about it, I'm down for this. It she's scum, she can only be scum with somni and he's doing a double bus.

If she flips scum, I can be vigged and town can lynch somni tomorrow.

If she flips town, we can vig somni and lynch Obvs tomorrow.

We are not killing insom.

Here Frost is walking Egix into defending Profii.

Thing is though, the way I see it, he was trying to make me doubt myself.

I actually think profii is town

If you do, then...

but I’m not really gonna fight against his lynch tbh

... I say you probably should though.

I actually think with vig still alive I should say I'm going to neap one out of wimpy or insomnia and ask the vig not to shoot either one

assuming there's the risk scum aims for vig and not me

doesn't make sense to gate the vig more than that I don't think

anyone disagree with that?

Seems good to me.

@Egix

If you agree with 1230 (especially point 4) let's do this.

Nah. Looker goes first imo.

[Egix96]

In post 241, insomnia wrote:
I think Ame is town fwiw.

@insomnia - Do you recall why you thought this?

from my spoiler post yesterday, in case you missed it.

[Egix96]

Okay that's fine

[Egix96]

So are we gonna lynch actual scum now?

Yes. Get Looker.

[Egix96]

The crimes of the hedgehog are now more apparent than ever, and the method of their execution will be the rope. Death!

VOTE: ObviousScum

You don't trust insom's read on him?

[Egix96]

Also, have you ever played with egix before? Specifically egix!scum

I rather famously have and I'm confident this is not scum egix outside of hood spec

Do you think egix would consecutively bus 2 of his pals ?

That's exactly what I did in the game he's linked there
Tbf I only did it because I needed to

[Egix96]

Mac how you feel about claiming?

VOTE: OS

stop trying to get people to claim ffs

It is my belief that we cannot have all the roles that we claim, therefore we must kill this hedgehog. To victory!

VOTE: ObviousScum

Let's not do this. I'm pretty damn sure that OS is town.

[Egix96]

- whats your criteria for needing to bus?
- Do you think scum #3 needed to bus Looker?

- When the team is in such a bind that you would be sacrificing your chance to win otherwise
- Honestly depends on who it is imo. Even then, if Looker saying they never checked into the scum PT is anything to go by, then Looker's buddy may have bussed them for being uncooperative anyway, whether it was necessary as part of their path to victory or not.

[Egix96]

VOTE: Macabre

L1

[Egix96]

like, tempting to hammer here just because I feel like it's still auto but I'd like to know why mac is scum if he is

Please don't, not until he speaks.
I just feel like everyone else is town.

[Egix96]

zzz
OS still town imo
zzz

[Egix96]

(expired on 2020-02-10 05:04:47)

Hmm. I have a theory. Will post tomorrow, bed time here right now

Maybe add a couple of hours, OS? I wanna see this first.

[Egix96]

It's also weird to fake crumb a pt cop guilty on someone you know claims neighbor just to sell a pr claim, that's why we moved off profii d2

*Alchemist in B4M flashbacks*

Don't get me wrong, this doesn't really affect my read on Prof, but yeah, just thought I would mention that I have seen something like that happen.

[Egix96]

Egix you still want mac today?

I guess so, yeah.
It's just that I'm feeling kinda pessimistic about how this game will turn out.
Like, what if we lynch both Cabre and Prof but still lose because of some bullshit that allows someone else to be scum
Idk I'm having trouble putting this into written words

[Egix96]

Hmm. If we lynch Profii and the game doesn’t end, that means it’s probably going to me, OS, and birdman. That would be hilarious

I doubt that vig shoots in {Me, Luca} while scum kills the other

===

It is with great reluctance that I do this, but since you guys asked for it...

VOTE: Profii

[Egix96]

Nono, you're supposed to say Egix was a 1-shot vig

We don't need to talk about the second shot

srsly tho GG!

Well

you

never mentioned that you were even night and not just N2

you know what's funny is I thought there was a subconscious connection here (this is the "too stupid to mention" reason I alluded to at one point--I thought that Profii's dog avi made Aaron feel more comfortable) but I never even connected that profii literally had not posted in the main game thread yet LOL

Tbf Aaron could've seen his pfp in the queue thread.

Anyway GG everyone. Wasn't expecting to wake up to the game being over, I had profii as town in my mind for virtually the whole game