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Post Post #1 (isolation #0) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:36 pm

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BUT I PUSHED A MISLYNCH
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #7 (isolation #1) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:05 pm

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oh noes, I wanted to target Sujimichi but I felt uncertain about whether he was team Stealth vs. has no stone.
I targeted Eve cause she seemed most likely to be Team Stealth
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #8 (isolation #2) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:07 pm

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In post 5, Pine wrote:Also, hi Pops :]

I always feel bad when I leverage our rapport to deceive you.
I can't remember what other instance is making this an "always" other than the invitational and there it's kinda sorta different. That game was special.
I'm not sure you would have made it to the completion of a LyLo lynch with this deception still ongoing and effective.

That may or may not be why I am dead.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #10 (isolation #3) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:28 pm

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ur partner doesn't shoot offwagon rest rest rest in pieces

Sujimichi is my emotionally unfettered townlet buddy who vigshotted u ^_^
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #11 (isolation #4) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:51 am

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khajit is in Eve's role name I shot correctly :D unless she's scum D:
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #17 (isolation #5) » Thu Feb 06, 2020 4:20 am

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I will help Pine out, Pine-kun Blatant Scum's flip was posted in the thread and it showed he is town-aligned so that means he cannot be a traitor.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #19 (isolation #6) » Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:34 am

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Blatant Scum are you made I wanted to lynch you day 1
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #21 (isolation #7) » Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:31 am

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You misjudge my interests.
Who is jjh927?
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #23 (isolation #8) » Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:39 am

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Show me your soul jjh
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Post Post #27 (isolation #9) » Fri Feb 07, 2020 3:42 pm

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Is pagetopping PTs a thing?
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #41 (isolation #10) » Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:35 am

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It's not a gambit if there's no upside. It's not strategically optimal to fakeclaim non-town as town. You make your slot fundamentally better to lynch than a slot that claims town, because the town thinks you're lying, but in the event they are wrong, they lynch third party, which is bad, but not as bad as lynching town. Compared to the next person they run up to L-1, when that person claims town, everyone thinks it's a lie, but in the event they are wrong, they lynch town, which is the worst possible outcome. So lynching the player who claimed third party and the player who claimed town has an identical best case of lying scum, but the worst worst-case scenario is the lynch on the player who claimed town.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #47 (isolation #11) » Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:38 pm

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Parity cop is really strong, is this thing a bonkers 3 scum + traitor?!
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Post Post #50 (isolation #12) » Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:32 pm

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I only read one post but I think S_S rolled scum
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Post Post #60 (isolation #13) » Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:41 am

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Suji is busted as hell and needs to be nerfed every patch
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Post Post #61 (isolation #14) » Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:42 am

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I correctly ascertained she was associated with the thief stone! I just didn't know her alignment yet hahaha
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Post Post #66 (isolation #15) » Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:45 am

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Suji is a skyrim character with all the skills set to level 100
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Post Post #72 (isolation #16) » Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:53 am

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Neighborhood membership setup spec in closeds makes me sad


I also think unlynchable scum is bastard and would probably be pissed off again like I was in StarCraft if I lived long enough to feel engaged by this game.
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Post Post #73 (isolation #17) » Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:54 am

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Also if the town just assumes it's 1-shot unlynchable and picks thief stone and lynches Eve they'll lose to a mechanic that's not really mafia.
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Post Post #75 (isolation #18) » Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:17 am

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My chief complaint with lynchproof scum is that it has the potential to function too similarly, or identically, to jester, which is one of the flagged roles as bastard enough to require disclosure. In Krazy's design, and assuming traitor is defined as usual also in your design, the lynchproof scum can't win alone, yet grants a boon to their team when lynched, so they can function like a jester against a town that is not on notice that a player might desire their own lynch. In a 3:2 LyLo with VT, VT, VT, Goon, Lynchproof Traitor, the scum are just as interested in a Lynchproof Traitor lynch as they are in a VT lynch. The Lynchproof Traitor can exploit play patterns
mirrorring ones explicitly excluded on the queue form
to ensure their own lynch more easily than they can push a mislynch. The Traitor can invert a professed townread they had on a VT all game and shitpush it in the ugliest fashion, and regardless of how easy it is to see through someone doing that with the express desire of getting voted, the town needs to at least be on notice that a Mafiosi could possibly crave that in an endgaming way (obviously I can't go as so far as saying a setup that incentivizes a Goon to dive into center stage to take attention off of a Godfather is bastard, but that's qualitatively different). Otherwise town has no chance of detecting they're dealing with a jester mechanic.
I appreciate that the mechanic can be balanced to 50% but "bastard" versus "nonbastard" is about expectations and what type of lynching goals can be allowed/not allowed. Allowed: somebody in the game who advances their wincon by lynching literally anybody (SK) Disallowed: Someone who advances their wincon if they manged to lynch a certain slot d1 but that same thing isn't true d2 (cult leader). Disallowed: Someone who advances their wincon by lynching themselves. A 99x multivoting jester who flips a coin to either succeed or lose all votes and reveal her role on lynch is balanced but fitting the pattern of what needs to be flagged.
In both games I've seen this it thankfully triggered before LyLo. If you can/could design the role in such a way that lynching the lynchproof scum makes progress towards the town wincon, even if it's considerably less progress than other scums, but unambiguously always progress, then I could be ok with it. At LyLo-x you have some information generated and also and extra NK so the tradeoff is unclear at various X whether it's good or bad. At LyLo it's always straight jester.

I will just, cede all points and resign the mechanics topic because I care much less. It is definitely not a point that's specific to traitors, it comes up with lots of theme game mechanics and I don't feel nearly as strongly about it.
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Post Post #80 (isolation #19) » Sat Feb 22, 2020 1:54 am

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Is there only 2 nontraitor scum because that's pretty absurd if that's the case
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Post Post #85 (isolation #20) » Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:34 am

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SUJIMICHI
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Post Post #86 (isolation #21) » Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:47 am

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I think this setup was at least a little townsided but it might be somewhere between where jjh thinks it is and where mastina thinks it is.
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Post Post #89 (isolation #22) » Sat Feb 22, 2020 10:49 am

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In post 88, jjh927 wrote:Yeah Eve got the nightkill for being last scum but not PT access
Ah ok particle of sanity there.
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Post Post #91 (isolation #23) » Sat Feb 22, 2020 1:26 pm

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Sujimichi you were my strongest townread this game
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Post Post #92 (isolation #24) » Sat Feb 22, 2020 1:27 pm

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Then I diededed and you started shooting people
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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