Micro 916: Medical Meme Mafia (Game Over!)

[Hectic]

I had no context and no reason to assume it was a joke!

I thought it sounded serious, and if there was some baggage between you two I think it'd be good to clear the air rather than dance around it.

Obum sounds very defensive here. I could see this being scum being caught out very early. Notice the spacing in his two sentences? If he was enraged and distraught as his exclamation mark suggests, he shouldn't have the damn time to separate his sentences like that. And the second sentence sounds a lot more composed than the first. Robot who can turn his emotions on and off on the flick of a switch? Or SCUM?
Scum is my conclusion - if that wasn't clear.

[Hectic]

VOTE: hectic

things are going to be

hectic

with you around

There's a number of reasons emps could post this. But my leading theory is that he knows I'm a big threat for scum!him this game. We have quite the history together, so I would expect him to know I'm town by now; especially given that Obum case I just posted which quite frankly makes me Obwn.
So for him to vote me regardless here? Busted, emps.

[Hectic]

You got me, I am obvious scum

Deflection and then

I'm leaning toward agreeing with massclaiming actions before night but I'm still not sure what ways town could be punished for it, I feel like there's the potential for a lot of confusion and a maximum potential of four possible deaths? Are we going to be able to make sense of night actions even with day 1 target claim?

straight to the safe topic of setup spec?

Not looking good for you, Obum my friend. Except I don't dabble in friendship with SCUM.

[Hectic]

No, I think that they're really an intelligent AI system that perfectly replicated how scum acts, but is actually a Quack Doctor. No wonder they seem crazy.

Huh, I hadn't actually considered that. Townie points to Jake for seeing that; I think it's a lot harder for scum to come to this conclusion given you need to be DEEP inside a townie mindset to see this.

[Hectic]

VOTE: Amrun

Hi Amrun!

I meant to read old runs of this setup and only got through one of them, but what are you all's thoughts on claiming targets in advance

Did you make that decision before or after receiving your role PM?

Guilty gives me a soothing feel, he's smiling and always has his hand in your pocket, letting you know he's there. It's quite comforting.

What troubles me is him asking for our opinion on claiming targets in advance, rather than giving his own. Given you read HALF a game through, I'd have thought you'd have some opinions of your own, right? I do love your fur though, so I hope we can still be acquainted.

VOTE: Obum

[Hectic]

VOTE: Hectic

Because these puns are gonna be

Hectic

Odd. I have some good cases out there; nothing to say about them,

George?

If that really is your name.

All of George's posts this game have been entirely focused on myself. It's scummy, and a little obsessive if I'm being honest.

[Hectic]

No, you just need to be a Quack Doctor who is also a Cannibal who just so happen to come across a townie.

...not that i happen to do that.

In any case, I want to know how we could try and solve what doctors we might be.

Claiming targets before end of night seems good. We should probably divide them among towniest players as to not give scum any guaranteed shots at towners.

Did your profile pic use to be red? I recall it being a lot more menacing before.

[Hectic]

Wow, Emps trying to drag me down with him when he inevitably flips scum. Dirty tactics. Check the PT if you have one, which I don't.

Looking over the setup again, we actually want to spread the checks out on suspects, 3 of them are good for targeting scum with (2 vig shots and a jailkeep).

[Hectic]

That'd be a really good idea if we could self-target.

[Hectic]

Lul.

[Hectic]

so hes not exactly
"trying hard"

also my pagetop hehe

I think you misunderstood the type of trying hard I was referring to

What are you referring to?

[Hectic]

Unfortunately, I don't have the memory of a goldfish, Obum.

[Hectic]

Whatever you say, Obum. Just know that I WILL spend a few weeks researching this. And if you're lying, you know how emps feels about LaL.

That meme is so bad it's good.

[Hectic]

I like her; came out guns blazing and her reasoning on you wasn't bad. What about you?

[Hectic]

What's wrong with her logic? I read her RVS vote as a joke, but perceiving that as real/joke isn't scum-indicative now that I think about it. It assumes you would lie about misinterpreting that post as scum, when there's really no reason to.

[Hectic]

I've changed my mind. VOTE: Jake

[Hectic]

actually now that i look at his posts they seem kinda akward/forced tbh

Mine? I'm not claiming there's method to my madness, but I've had some slow RVS starts recently, so kick starting the game with a lot of content (memery or not) was what I was going for.

[Hectic]

I've changed my mind. VOTE: Jake

Interesting. Care to elaborate, or are you testing for my reaction?

You haven't posted anything game related yet. Any thoughts?

[Hectic]

this is nagl

What's that?

[Hectic]

I've changed my mind. VOTE: Jake

wot

explain this one to me

Basically what I said in 66.

[Hectic]

actually now that i look at his posts they seem kinda akward/forced tbh

Why'd you take your vote off me after holding this opinion?

[Hectic]

VOTE: JakeThewolfie

I'm not liking your reaction to the wagon right now.

I hope my voting isn't too...

HECTIC

Spoiler:

ok ok i'll stop now

Do it again. I dare you.

[Hectic]

What's wrong with him being on L-1, George? If anyone hammers him knowing that this early, it's basically a scumclaim.

[Hectic]

If there is no good evidence, then why would you push for me being scum?

what do you suggest we do instead to try to sort people, especially in the early game?

Talk about who our potential targets for protection are.

You're playing significantly differently so far to this newbie game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 7&start=50
You're joking around early there too, but it was while pushing/sorting people, and asking people to elaborate on reads often. You had some nice thoughts in this post.

[Hectic]

Do you have thoughts on Amrun's early read on Obum, or his read on me for example?

[Hectic]

What's the fair point in 117? All he's saying is he's on L-1 and to back off; why do you read that as townie more than scum being afraid of being quicklynched?

Regarding claiming, I think we just spread targets out equally among everyone, with preference for the towniest players in the room targeting the scummiest players in the room (more likely they're actually doctors and we want an average doc to target a mafia).

[Hectic]

Is that all you gotta say, Jake?

Do you have thoughts on Amrun's early read on Obum, or his read on me for example?

What about this?

[Hectic]

VOTE: JakeThewolfie

I'm not liking your reaction to the wagon right now.

I hope my voting isn't too...

HECTIC

Spoiler:

ok ok i'll stop now

dont stop we must keep making the hectic puns

I'm gonna EMP your PC if you keep this up.

[Hectic]

Am running from Amrun because she seems kind scary - if I vote her, she'll probably rally 5 votes to quicklynch me in no time.

[Hectic]

will start playing tomorrow

outright claiming feels wrong for me but the setup is confusing me rn,, need more time

Do you mean outright claiming what kind of doctor you could be on D1?

[Hectic]

more specifically I'm thinking there's probably at least one scum in the {Jake/George/Obvious Scum/Non Imh} bloc that I don't feel has seriously tried to solve or towntell at all yet, but I don't have things that stand out that I want to ask them about

I think the most interesting thing recently, was the jake wagon. Do you think there was scum on it? I personally unvoted because I feel like it's way too unsafe to leave someone like that, when scum could just lolhammer. Even SAYING "lolhammers are scumtells" doesn't mean that person will get lynched the day. The L-1 was accidental, but his reaction was very interesting. I can't tell if Scum or Town would react like that.

Am running from Amrun because she seems kind scary

Pat

hectic

Am running from Amrun because she seems kind scary - if I vote her, she'll probably rally 5 votes to quicklynch me in no time.

yeah, if you mess with amrun things could get hectic.

[Hectic]

Hectic - do you think Jake refusing to give thoughts on these things moves the needle on his alignment?

I did meta-check him yesterday, and yeah, his play here does strike me as weird. Look here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11412103
There's a lot of early pushing for reads, and open thoughts/solving.

But him continuing to give no thoughts in his last couple of posts after knowing I've caught onto that is interesting - not sure yet if he's just taking a different approach this game or is doubling down as scum.

[Hectic]

To forge daily is insanity, but not putting your vote on anyone if you're afraid of Jake being on L-1? Now that kinda behaviour is straight up George Bailey. Explain yourself, good sir.

[Hectic]

I think you have the best odds of anyone here right now, but that isn't very high at this stage. Like 45% if you want an arbitrary percentage? Why do you ask?

[Hectic]

Are you suggesting your scum buddy would mention scum!you was on L-1? Gion was the only one to post in the short space of time between George's vote and you pointing it out.

[Hectic]

It's hypothetical, I was assuming you were using it as a "I'm not scum because it'd be harder for me to get to L-1 unannounced as scum, since I have my buddy looking out for me."

What are you suggesting then?

[Hectic]

Speak of the devil...

would you look at who it is.

[Hectic]

Did I mean the pagetop or the emps? The mystery grows.

[Hectic]

Did I mean the pagetop or the emps? The mystery grows.

Discuss.

[Hectic]

@MrPunGuyManSir

I'm suggesting that Since George didn't announce their L-1 vote, it paves the way for a scum claiming a pressure vote on me, which would be a very easy thing to pull off because "well no one CLAIMED L-1 on Jake"

Oh, you're saying you announcing yourself as L-1 isn't scum-indicative since scum could use it as an excuse to hammer you. I agree, you announcing that is NAI. That's not really what concerns me about you though.

[Hectic]

how are we gonna know what kind of doctor we might be on d1? yknow, before we have any night actions or any clues as to what our roles may be?

It was a gambit to check if Noni misunderstood how the Doctors worked. Not sure if that would be town or scum-indicative, but it was an ask-first and think later if it worked kinda thing.

[Hectic]

Pretty sure it'd be scum-indicative actually.

[Hectic]

Pretty sure it'd be scum-indicative actually.

non imh's reaction to ur "claim what kind of doctor wed be?" or the announcing that ur at l-1 thing

If she actually thought Doctors were told what kind they were. More likely she hasn't seen the doctor PM if that's the case.

[Hectic]

Why would you assume that only scum would hammer me?

I thought that's the point you were making when you said "it paves the way for a scum claiming a pressure vote on me, which would be a very easy thing to pull off because "well no one CLAIMED L-1 on Jake"", but yeah, accidental town hammers also happen obviously.

Do you think my progression/read on you so far is genuine or fabricated?

[Hectic]

i mean if doctors were told what role they were thatd kinda be like insane

we'd have a clearing role, 2 vigs, a jk, and a normal doc

and also a nurse that takes over whatever role dies

plus u basically cant get cced if u claim a specific sanity

itd actually be an autowin if we all knew our sanitys

Yeah, I know, but she's kinda new and her post gave me the impression she might not be aware. Was worth a shot lol

[Hectic]

Why would you assume that only scum would hammer me?

I thought that's the point you were making when you said "it paves the way for a scum claiming a pressure vote on me, which would be a very easy thing to pull off because "well no one CLAIMED L-1 on Jake"", but yeah, accidental town hammers also happen obviously.

Do you think my progression/read on you so far is genuine or fabricated?

Your reads on me feel as genuine as Faux News

Lul, why? Do you disagree that you've been acting differently to that newbie game I linked?

[Hectic]

Pretty sure it'd be scum-indicative actually.

non imh's reaction to ur "claim what kind of doctor wed be?" or the announcing that ur at l-1 thing

If she actually thought Doctors were told what kind they were. More likely she hasn't seen the doctor PM if that's the case.

Hectic is town. Take that to the bank.


Emps pretty town too.

Could you explain why you find me town off of this, Amrun?

[Hectic]

It was really none of this stuff. It was how he asked “do you think there’s scum on this wagon?” It sounds like he knows Jake is town.

It could be a classic perspective slip. He’s pretty new. This is a realistic possibility.

Is that your only reason for suspecting George?

Also, do you pronounce your name with a hard or soft 'u'? This will become important later.

[Hectic]

There's probably 1 scum in George/Jake, but feeling better about flipping Jake right now. He just seems to be focusing on all the wrong things in the questions he asks and his attempts to solve. Maybe you should hammer George, this might be your only chance to not be lynched today, Jake.

[Hectic]

What's your read on George then? How would you rate the quality of his puns?

[Hectic]

So you scumread me, George and GuiltyLion, correct?

[Hectic]

What's your read on George then? How would you rate the quality of his puns?

My point is that if you scumread all 3 of us, then how does people outside of that pool (emps and Obum?) defending GuiltyLion or questioning your vote on him make you more confident on your scumread on GuiltyLion?

Pedit: emps basically said it already

[Hectic]

im gonna be honest here, jake is kinda

wolfie

dont know how i didnt think of that earlier

Lul, I was saving that one for a special occasion.

[Hectic]

i mean idk if i cant get enough ppl to join on the jake wagon i might hammer george

We got 3 days, no rush, empy.

Pedit: Goddamit, does this count as abuse? Datisi, help, I'm pretty sure some rules are being broken here.

[Hectic]

wait a minute you basically said the exact same thing and it made me realize something

he said he has a PoE

its down to george/hectic/gl

2 ppl outside his PoE (aka people he should be townreading) just defended gl

how the fuck does that make him scumread gl???

Yeah, that's what I was getting at. Anyway, I'm off for the night. No one fire any dayvigs while I'm gone.

Pedit: Please try and explain your thought process regarding what emps and I are saying, Jake.

[Hectic]

Dayvig: Jake

Dayvig: Jake

grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble

[Hectic]

Maybe you should hammer George, this might be your only chance to not be lynched today, Jake.

this is just a weird thing to say IMO

if Hectic thinks Jake is scum, why is he coaching him to hammer another slot?
if Hectic thinks George is scum, why is he feeling better about flipping Jake first?

i assumed he knew it was l-2 for george and was trying to get jake to vote george in order to basically have him as 100% scum

^This

[Hectic]

and this might be venturing into 'confbias tunnel / reachiness' land but there's a looottt of interaction with George in his ISO that hasn't actually amounted to much pressure on George from him. He even defended him to Amrun in 269

That was more to understand Amrun's thought process since the scumread on George based on that single slip seems odd.

[Hectic]

Gion, you're saying Jake's more of an illogical town rather than scummy, but you're ignoring the fact he's playing differently this game; read the game I linked earlier.

Amrun, you're a notsure read right now; maybe I'll reread you later. What do you make of Jake's recent posting?

[Hectic]

Do you scumread George for any reason other than the fact you don't like his puns and he voted you at one point?

I just don't like that slot in general and want to see them flipped.

Why not? Also, what's your overall read on GuiltyLion now?

[Hectic]

Proposition if we lynch Jake:
Hectic targets Noni
Noni targets emps
emps targets George
George targets Obum
Obum targets Iconeum
Iconeum targets GuiltyLion
GuiltyLion targets Amrun
Amrun targets Hectic

Helps patch together the remains tomorrow if we follow something. I've tried to put townreads targeting potential scumreads for this list.

[Hectic]

Proposition if we lynch Jake:
Hectic targets Noni
Noni targets emps
emps targets George
George targets Obum
Obum targets Iconeum
Iconeum targets GuiltyLion
GuiltyLion targets Amrun
Amrun targets Hectic

Helps patch together the remains tomorrow if we follow something. I've tried to put townreads targeting potential scumreads for this list.

FOLLOW THIS LIST IF JAKE IS HAMMERED
Solving will ne so much easier tomorrow

[Hectic]

gg it was a valiant effort, Karnage

The memes were top draw quality, Datisi. PM me your sources pls.