Newbie 1982 | Cellular Automata | Over

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: bugspray

I dislike the RVS questions - they are unrelated to the game and therefore pointless, apart from question 3 which feels like role-fishing.

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I’m not trying to police your play - it’s called advancing the game. During RVS something has to act as the catalyst to move the game from meaningless to meaningful, and one way of doing that is by zoning in on things in order to create talking points.

That said, I am sincere in my view and have you as a slight scum read as things stand.

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Ok I think Bugs is Town, I like his thoughts above.

UNVOTE:

I agree that both George and TSE look scummy at the moment. The former for putting effort into answering the RVS questions and building rapport, and the latter for his ‘claim’.

VOTE: TSE

[Luca Blight]

An SE claiming masons on P2 in a newbie. If you think about it for a while you’ll probably see the potential scum motivation behind it.

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If TSE is indeed scum then it’s unlikely he claims Masons with his actual scum buddy there.

The purpose wouldn’t be to maintain the claim for the rest of the game, but to draw out claims from others in the games by how they react to it. When confronted, TSE can hide behind ‘I was just joking lol’, but it won’t wash here.

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If both scum hard claim masons D1 and stick to it, then they lose 100% of the time.

Yes Jackson probably would call him out on it, and in doing so might reveal something about his role, as might others in how they respond/comment on it. For example, if someone takes the claim as the truth then they obviously aren’t a pr, as we’re in a semi-open.

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Claiming Masons like that is sometimes done jokingly in closed setups, but here it’s completely inappropriate being a newbie and semi-open - it’s basically asking for roles to be revealed, and as an SE I suspect he knows what he’s doing.

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You’ve misunderstood just about every post you’ve quoted of mine, TSE.

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Claiming Masons like that is sometimes done jokingly in closed setups, but here it’s completely inappropriate being a newbie and semi-open - it’s basically asking for roles to be revealed, and as an SE I suspect he knows what he’s doing.

I am a SE too!
Congrats!
We know Terms!

I was referring to you, not me.

[Luca Blight]

'I am a SE too!'

Yes, I know. I was referring to you, not me.

[Luca Blight]

If you were a noob it would perhaps make it less likely to be scummy.

The fact you're an SE is why I feel you could be trying to draw out claims from the newer players.

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We're in a semi-open. If someone believes your claim, it means that player isn't a pr. If a player strongly opposes, it might mean they are a pr. It could also potentially lead to counter-claims, or just hints at what someone's role might be.

[Luca Blight]

Probably Town based on what?

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TSE always does this stuff as Town, it's NAI here so if you're pushing them just for that it's opportunistic and I will hunt your ass down

If it’s NAI then why are you Townreading him for it?

[Luca Blight]

Actually two people voted you for it; George was voting you before your claim.

I think it's natural to suspect potential role-fishing early in a newbie. Your votes were warranted; it does nothing to suggest you might be Town.

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Actually two people voted you for it; George was voting you before your claim.

I think it's natural to suspect potential role-fishing early in a newbie. Your votes were warranted; it does nothing to suggest you might be Town.

Then you might be going blind.
Bugs Unvoted me to GB then switched back to me after they voted you.
GB only voted me to sheep Bugs’s Meme vote on me.
(He even said “Choo Choo”)

Perhaps you're the one going blind, as you've misunderstood another post of mine.

You said three players voted you based on the claim, I said only two did (me and Bugs) and that George was already voting you from RVS.

And no-one voted me?

[Luca Blight]

@Luca
You wanna read my thread?

I had a little look but couldn't see what you were referring to, could you link the the relevant post?

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: Bugs

Yeah I’m not liking how your playing this game.
I wasn’t going to vote you just yet but when you say I’m lying about doing something on a link. That’s just scum tell.

This is a pretty blatant misrep btw.

Are you seriously SR'ing Bugs for that?

[Luca Blight]

It's good to have an attentive mod. I appreciate it

[Luca Blight]

TSE always does this stuff as Town, it's NAI here so if you're pushing them just for that it's opportunistic and I will hunt your ass down

If it’s NAI then why are you Townreading him for it?

I'm not town-reading them for that, I don't believe I ever said I was

You said you were TR’ing TSE based on meta, and later said that he ‘always does this stuff as town’, which clearly implies you’re TR’ing him for his claim?

If there’s something else about his play you’re TR’ing then feel free to share it.

[Luca Blight]

Apologising for making a wolfy entrance feels like a wolfy thing to do as well

Welcome, Volxen.

[Luca Blight]

Getting Town vibes from Chuck.

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Jackson, who is your biggest SR right now?

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Jackson, who is your biggest SR right now?

I mean I have a vote on someone nobody else does

I assumed it was an RVS vote. Was this not the case?

[Luca Blight]

Since you like hopping on wagons so much I’ll hop on yours

VOTE: bugspray

Let me ask you this.
Why shouldn’t I vote you?
I mean, your claiming me and Bugs are SvS.
So if Bugs flips Scum your trying to make it as if you are the Town and I could still easily be scum.
Here’s another good question.
What makes you more Town then me and Bugs?

Why are you assuming that someone having two scum reads on D1 means they must think they’re a scum team?

For example, I have a SR on you and to a lesser extent George, but do I consider you as a scumteam? I haven’t even begun to consider it. Why? Because it’s D1, and making associations pre-flip is rarely a productive thing to do.

The ‘why shouldn’t I vote you?’ line rubs me up the wrong way, feels like posturing.

And the last question isn’t good at all, it’s entirely pointless in fact. Since when does someone have to explain why they are more Town than someone in order to vote that person? Towncasing yourself is usually always pointless anyway.

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And considering TSE supposedly SR’s Bugs it really is a weird question indeed.

[Luca Blight]

Imagine

not

having 10 town reads rn.

I feel that out of you 3 who voted me I think your the most Town and Bugs is the most Scum.
Who out of the people who voted me do you think is scum?
TBH I’m not entirely sure myself.

This feels like buddying/walking George into starting conflict with either me or Bugs.

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Its not L-1 as Volxen unvoted.

Can’t say I really like this wagon tho. TSE looks much worse than Bugs from where I’m standing.

[Luca Blight]

I’m not a massive fan of Chaz’s Bugs vote, but generally I’m not getting many scum vibes from him.

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Although I don’t like Bugs’ vote on Chaz, either.

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I can kind of follow why he voted him, although I don’t agree with it. My feeling is that both of the main wagons atm are on Town.

My biggest scumread by far is still TSE.

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It really feels like TSE is gearing up to vote Chaz, but is using the whole ‘why shouldn’t I vote for you?’ line to seem as though he isn’t being opportunistic and is giving Chaz a chance to reply before voting, but these questions are designed for failure - nothing he could say in reply would reflect positively.

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Why does TSE keep emphasizing the fact he had three votes, as if it makes him less likely to be scum or something?

His two SR's both currently have 3 votes - does that make them less likely to be scum as well?

[Luca Blight]

I continue to dislike George's play. He spent the entire game posturing over TSE, and is currently coasting on the Chaz wagon despite not having much of a stance on him. George is being really cautious and it seems like he's waiting to see what happen before he commits himself.

The way he's acting around the TSE wagon leads me to believe they are either partners and he's excusing himself from TSE's wagon while avoiding openly defending him, or he's afraid of creating too much conflict with TSE.

[Luca Blight]

Second, the TSE wagon is stagnant, I haven't been a fan of TSE's recent response to his wagon (i'll get more into that tonight) But I think there should be a little mix-up. Chazary has been a bit under the radar.

VOTE: Chazary

He isn't a fan of TSE's response, but decides it isn't worth pursuing because the wagon is stagnant? Since when has a stagnant wagon been a reason not to pursue a scumread?

Voting someone for beging under the radar is the most excusable reason you could go for, and it isn't even really true - Chuck had already been questioning Chaz a fair bit by this stage. How did George feel about Chaz's posts/reaction to this pressure? He doesn't mention anything about it. Jumping on someone for being under the radar isn't acceptable when they have enough content on which to be judged, and when there are other players in the game more under the radar than him.

[Luca Blight]

I understand scumreading TSE for the Mason claim, (in a noob game, always follow poe's law), but I don't see many other reason to scumread him right now. And the way he reacted to it, didn't seem opportunistic. JacksonVirgo obviously knows him and said that's his style. (Oh god the Town Of Salem Forums look really bad though). TSE is still a scumlean but that's not a hard scumclaim.

George had just stated he didn't like TSE's reaction, but here he says there aren't many other reasons to SR him other than the claim? He's just contradicted what he said before: first George says he doesn't like his reaction, then he says the reaction wasn't opportunistic. For something pretty over-explained he ends up not really making sense, and it feels like a weird/insincere position to take over the wagon.

[Luca Blight]

Did anyone else notice that Jackson is simultaneously tactically distancing themselves from AND emotionally buddying with TSE? This is calculated behavior and I'm curious about the motivation behind it.

Jack and TSE do have good scum equity together. Or they could just be good friends that find it hard to distance during games.

And as someone mentioned before, this is just pure fence-sitting and adds nothing to the discussion.

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Why does TSE keep emphasizing the fact he had three votes, as if it makes him less likely to be scum or something?

His two SR's both currently have 3 votes - does that make them less likely to be scum as well?

When did I say Chaz was my Scum Read?
I said I’m considering him to be.

This is exactly what I meant earlier when I said you were posturing.

You said '

Why shouldn't I vote you

?' which massively implies (or threatens) a SR, but allows you the space to not commit to the read, which is what you're doing right now. You were testing the waters, and I find it scummy as f*ck.

[Luca Blight]

I continue to dislike George's play. He spent the entire game posturing over TSE, and is currently coasting on the Chaz wagon despite not having much of a stance on him. George is being really cautious and it seems like he's waiting to see what happen before he commits himself.

The way he's acting around the TSE wagon leads me to believe they are either partners and he's excusing himself from TSE's wagon while avoiding openly defending him, or he's afraid of creating too much conflict with TSE.

Who’s your strongest Town read?
Bugs and Chaz I’m assuming?

I'm TR'ing Chuck, Bugs and Chaz right now.

[Luca Blight]

Why does TSE keep emphasizing the fact he had three votes, as if it makes him less likely to be scum or something?

His two SR's both currently have 3 votes - does that make them less likely to be scum as well?

By all means you can view me as scum, but understand this. Your voting me for 2 Reasons. 1) The Mason Claim 2)Events that happened because of the fact you didn’t like the mason claim

What is the point of this comment? Are you trying to undermine my reasons for SR'ing you?

[Luca Blight]

@TSE, in case you missed this:

Why do you find George the most towny out of the three people that were on your wagon (George, Bugs, Luca)?

What are your thoughts on Luca? You’ve mainly focused on George and Bugs from your wagon.

I answered the first question before. If you are too lazy to read my ISO just ask me to repeat it.
As for the second question I think Luca is

my buddy

probably miss guided town or desperate scum.
Although out of the 3 of them their content is the best done. However I still think GB is most Town over them by their response to my wagon.

Please explain why I would be desperate scum in this scenario?

[Luca Blight]

I continue to dislike George's play. He spent the entire game posturing over TSE, and is currently coasting on the Chaz wagon despite not having much of a stance on him. George is being really cautious and it seems like he's waiting to see what happen before he commits himself.

The way he's acting around the TSE wagon leads me to believe they are either partners and he's excusing himself from TSE's wagon while avoiding openly defending him, or he's afraid of creating too much conflict with TSE.

Who’s your strongest Town read?
Bugs and Chaz I’m assuming?

I'm TR'ing Chuck, Bugs and Chaz right now.

Mhm
Of course you are.
I’m sure if Volxen and TLOK were in Top Wagons you’d Town read them too right?

Wtf is this misrep?

I've explained my reasons for all my reads. You're the one who seems like desperate scum right now.

[Luca Blight]

NGL If Luca was mod Confirmed Town I’d tell him and I’d vote GB just to show him that he’s wrong about all this.
Then again, that’ll probably be a miss lynch so that’s not a good thing.
But at least it’ll show Luca that he needs to re-evaluate me. (Assuming He’s Town)

This is hilarious. You're basically open-wolfing right now.

[Luca Blight]

@TSE, in case you missed this:

Why do you find George the most towny out of the three people that were on your wagon (George, Bugs, Luca)?

What are your thoughts on Luca? You’ve mainly focused on George and Bugs from your wagon.

I answered the first question before. If you are too lazy to read my ISO just ask me to repeat it.
As for the second question I think Luca is

my buddy

probably miss guided town or desperate scum.
Although out of the 3 of them their content is the best done. However I still think GB is most Town over them by their response to my wagon.

Please explain why I would be desperate scum in this scenario?

Using something like “Bad, You Mason Claim”
To desperately form the first wagon of the game.

Why would scum desperately want to form the first wagon of the game? How often is the first wagon immediately pushed through? Hardly ever.

You're trying to talk me round to TR'ing you while at the same time misrepping me/throwing shade in my direction in the event that I don't change my read on you (which I won't).

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I continue to dislike George's play. He spent the entire game posturing over TSE, and is currently coasting on the Chaz wagon despite not having much of a stance on him. George is being really cautious and it seems like he's waiting to see what happen before he commits himself.

The way he's acting around the TSE wagon leads me to believe they are either partners and he's excusing himself from TSE's wagon while avoiding openly defending him, or he's afraid of creating too much conflict with TSE.

Who’s your strongest Town read?
Bugs and Chaz I’m assuming?

I'm TR'ing Chuck, Bugs and Chaz right now.

Mhm
Of course you are.
I’m sure if Volxen and TLOK were in Top Wagons you’d Town read them too right?

I mean like this ^

I say I TR Bugs Chuck and Chaz (which if you look at my ISO you'll see is consistent with what I've said) but you try to paint it as insincere because two of them happen to be the top wagons? Why am I TR'ing Chuck, in that case?

It's a baseless insinuation, and only serves to try and discredit what I'm saying against you in an underhanded manner.

[Luca Blight]

Regarding the last line, you’d be surprised how much that happens.

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I can get why you SR Bugs, Chaz, but wagon-hopping isn’t that big of a scumtell. Posturing in the manner displayed by TSE is far more calculated and scummy, and I feel he is a much better lynch for today.

[Luca Blight]

Wagon-hopping early game is actually a pro-Town move most of the time, as it generates information. Scum are more likely to be hesitant in hopping to different wagons as they’re more self-conscious and don’t want to get called-out on it.

Obviously there are distinctions to this. For example, the manner of George’s hop onto the Chaz wagon felt a lot worse than Bugs’.

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I was referring to your interaction with Chaz, not the Mason claim.

[Luca Blight]

More unsubstantiated accusation.

Thunderdome means make it a 1v1 between two players, right? I have been doing the exact opposite: I TR the two current wagons, and only want you lynched today.

[Luca Blight]

Yes, I SR George as well, but TSE is my primary SR.

If you look back through my posts, TSE, you’ll see that I’ve made numerous arguments against George as well.

[Luca Blight]

I had been pushing George, but he hasn’t been posting. How can I continue to push someone who isn’t here?

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: George

L-2

[Luca Blight]

^ By that logic TSE is a better D1 lynch - a dubious slot with high scum equity who is unlikely to be a Town PR.

[Luca Blight]

He isn't a fan of TSE's response, but decides it isn't worth pursuing because the wagon is stagnant? Since when has a stagnant wagon been a reason not to pursue a scumread?

A stagnant wagon can mean one of two things: 1. It's a scum-driven wagon that's only gaining traction/being pushed by scum, or 2. We're hitting Scum and their partner is pushing a counter-wagon.

I don't 100% agree it's that black and white, but regardless it still isn't reason to stop pursuing a SR when, as you admitted, the reason the wagon is stagnant could be that the player you're voting is scum.

It's strange though how, in your possible scenarios above, you think if TSE is Town then scum must be driving the wagon, yet you don't vote either me or Bugs (the ones driving said wagon) but Chaz?

It's like '

Oh, maybe Luca/Bugs are scum driving this wagon, let me vote Chaz instead

'. I don't really get that mindset.

[Luca Blight]

So who are you SR'ing atm?

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That's fair. I still think TSE is the best bet though, tbh.

VOTE: TSE

[Luca Blight]

TSE isn't being lynched over a joke, though? Have you been reading?

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That last post by Jackson really pings me. He's blindly TR'ing TSE without following why he's being scumread (he thinks it's still because of the Mason claim). He isn't evaluating anyone else and is generally playing a really passive game. It's like the hard-defence of TSE is to compensate for his otherwise passive play.

VOTE: Jackson

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That last post by Jackson really pings me. He's blindly TR'ing TSE without following why he's being scumread (he thinks it's still because of the Mason claim). He isn't evaluating anyone else and is generally playing a really passive game. It's like the hard-defence of TSE is to compensate for his otherwise passive play.

VOTE: Jackson

Yeah okay whatever, do what you want.
I've explained everything, and why they're playing differently from their scum-meta but that shit doesn't matter right?

The only explanation you've given for your meta read is this:

From my experience,

they usually are more serious but not fully serious as scum

. Like it's a weird balance thing that I think they lean Town in this game. The Mason claim is NAI

So TSE is more serious but not fully serious as scum (which as about as uselessly vague as it gets), and his play this game couldn't possibly correspond to that general description?

Your stance on TSE reeks of TMI.

[Luca Blight]

I continue to dislike George's play. He spent the entire game posturing over TSE, and is currently coasting on the Chaz wagon despite not having much of a stance on him. George is being really cautious and it seems like he's waiting to see what happen before he commits himself.

The way he's acting around the TSE wagon leads me to believe they are either partners and he's excusing himself from TSE's wagon while avoiding openly defending him, or he's afraid of creating too much conflict with TSE.

Who’s your strongest Town read?
Bugs and Chaz I’m assuming?

I'm TR'ing Chuck, Bugs and Chaz right now.

Why the town reads here?

And where are you with volxen and DkKoba?

I TR Chuck for his line of questioning towards Chaz, and for 146 which was a decent point.

I liked Bugs' play from around the second page mark, but they have been underwhelming of late so it's no longer a strong read.

Chaz felt Town in their earlier interactions with TSE. I'm not really getting any bad vibes from them.

Right now none of them are really strong TR's, but slight TL's.

I have to review Volxen and Koba.

[Luca Blight]

I skimmed the game up until this point, and I have 2 points I want to make:
a) TSE comes off as town who made a really shit play
b) While this is a really hot take as an entrance on d1, volxen and bugspray is my top scumteam read right now

I'm skeptical of how anyone can TR TSE's play on pages 11/12.

Can you go into more detail on this read?

[Luca Blight]

Spoiler:

Aloratom replaces Chuck Shurley! Please welcome him!

Imagine

not

having 10 town reads rn.

I feel that out of you 3 who voted me I think your the most Town and Bugs is the most Scum.
Who out of the people who voted me do you think is scum?
TBH I’m not entirely sure myself.

Why do you find George the most towny out of the three people that were on your wagon (George, Bugs, Luca)? You previously said that you thought that George had the most believable reasons for scumreading you (141), and his reasons for scumreading you are centered around him not liking how you responded to your wagon because he thought that you were overly defensive (86, 151). Whereas Luca and Bugs mainly voted you over your claim. You claimed Mason in a semi-open newbie game. As Luca already pointed out, it’s highly questionable that mason!you would make that claim that early on (even jokingly) given that it… doesn’t really benefit mason!you to do so (if anything it would benefit you more if you were a VT trying to bait the nightkill via WIFOM). I think it’s natural for people to be suspicious of an SE claiming mason that early on, so I’m not seeing why George saying that you were overly defensive in how you responded to your wagon is a better or more believable reason to be scumreading you.

Also, consider the setup. If you are town and the setup is something from column A or column C, then scum has to consider the possibility that you are actually a mason since scum only knows what column the setup is but not which row. In that scenario I think that it’s highly unlikely that both scum would be bold enough to jump on you (meaning Luca and Bugs) in response to your mason claim, as you could always confirm yourself via your mason buddy, and they would potentially look bad for jumping on you back-to-back. Even in the scenario where you are town and the setup is something from column B and scum thus knows that you aren’t really a mason, I still think that it’s unlikely that both scum would jump on you back-to-back for the exact same reason (your mason claim).

With respect to your wagon I think that is highly indicative of at least one of {Luca, Bugs} being town. I think that it’s natural for town to be suspicious of your claim, and if you are town I think that scum would be cautious of how they play around your slot in response to your mason claim, even if they knew for a fact that you weren’t really a mason (i.e. if the setup is something from column B). From your wagon I’m townreading Luca in particular based on his overall play, and the fact that a lot of the points that he brought up with respect to your slot/claim are points that I would have brought up myself if I had been in the game at the time. What are your thoughts on Luca? You’ve mainly focused on George and Bugs from your wagon.

imma be a bit weird here but this entrance post after subbing in gives me weird vibes, like I see defusal here + with the lack of interaction with bare mentions of bugspray, and bugspray's similar avoidance of interacting with you + your slot having voted bugspray right away(not rly that big but small coincidences add up), I am semi confident about this, at the very least I think u 2 are the same alignment

I don't see how you came to the conclusion that if they're not scum then they are both Town?

And it feels weird in general how quickly you've come to this Bugs/Volxen team with such little evidence. I think most players haven't interacted with Volxen much yet as he hasn't had an awful lot of content, and from my perspective there have been bigger fish to fry.

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This is turning into one of those frustrating games where I SR half the playerlist.

It's telling how TSE has disappeared since the attention turned elsewhere. My gut is telling me he is scum, the only thing that's making me doubt it is the fact there are 3/4 other scummy slots also in this game.

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: TSE

That's L-2

[Luca Blight]

You're doing nothing to make me think you're Town.

What are your reads?

[Luca Blight]

I pushed others like you wanted, and what have you done in the meantime? Literally nothing, until I called you out on it.

Your flip solves a lot if you're scum. If you happen to be Town then it's still not the end of the world as you're a VT and a highly dubious slot.

[Luca Blight]

This is turning into one of those frustrating games where I SR half the playerlist.

It's telling how TSE has disappeared since the attention turned elsewhere. My gut is telling me he is scum, the only thing that's making me doubt it is the fact there are 3/4 other scummy slots also in this game.

Was at work and hanging with friends.
Please don’t use my inactivity as a reason to scum read me.
K Thx.

I'm not scumreading you for your activity, but you have clearly been active on the site and yet only pop your head in when I vote you again.

[Luca Blight]

oh im sorry i got so distracted, i can ACTUALLY respond now. Sorry I'm not so aggressive rn like I'd like to be, got hit with a bout of mild depression, but I'll try my best. The read I gave was sorta like a "gun to your head, which 2 would you choose to be scum" kinda thing based on what I read. It was by no means a gamesolve, merely an attempt at showcasing my thoughts.

But why if they're not scum partners do you think they are T/T?

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this is a bit frustrating bc i dont want to waste d1 on TSE bc I genuinely read them as of right now as dumb town, their play makes little sense from a scum pov. although theyve just given nooby vibes in general. TSE I want you to reexplain why you have done what you have done so far. Give us some insight into your intentions.

Why does it make little sense from a scum pov?

TSE is a SE btw, not a noob.

[Luca Blight]

Dang I thought I was gonna be able to play a proper game with TSE but they're just gonna die r.i.p
Maybe next game TSE

If it gets to L-1 I can hammer it because I see why people are scum-reading them and their flip will teach us a lot but like they're gonna flip town 90% of the time.

So why not push another lynch if you're so sure they're flipping Town?

[Luca Blight]

For the last time, I'm not voting you for your Mason claim.

What are your reads?

[Luca Blight]

I pushed others like you wanted, and what have you done in the meantime? Literally nothing, until I called you out on it.

Your flip solves a lot if you're scum. If you happen to be Town then it's still not the end of the world as you're a VT and a highly dubious slot.

Ok, explain how is solves allot if I’m scum.

Jackson was the one who claimed it teaches us a lot, so why are you directing this question to me?

But anyway, any scum flip naturally solves a lot - due to associations and the literal fact that half the game is solved before any Town blood is shed.

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Your play in general has been completely focused on self-preservation rather than trying to solve the game. If you're Town then saying 'I'm not scum', or words to that effect over and over isn't going to change my mind.

Right now you are objectively, from a Town standpoint of not knowing everyone's alignment, the best lynch. You are doing nothing to solve the game, are at best a distraction and will continue to be so, are never getting NK, and are at worst a VT. I don't mean to be harsh but this is simply the fact of the matter.

[Luca Blight]

TSE are you ok? I'm literally just trying to get u to be open about the actions youve done and why you did them

-Mason Claim
-Defending Myself
-Do my thing

Honestly, I wanted to start the game with a meme Claim. But people don’t like it here and think it’s scum motivated.
I remember Luca

“Oh they claim it to look PR so they don’t get lynched for today and earn Town credit”

Yeah sure whatever, I’m just a Town doing a simple fake claim but yeah sure I’m the god damn Godfather.

Where did I say this quote?

And for the love of God, please stop making out the only reason I SR you is for the Mason claim - that has nothing to do with it.

[Luca Blight]

UNVOTE:

Getting a bad feeling from those posts ^

[Luca Blight]

Like how do you go so quicky from

'TSE is Town, their play makes little sense as scum'

, to '

Ok TSE is sticking to their playstyle (which might be town btw) but I'll hammer them soon'.

There is something unnatural about this progression.

[Luca Blight]

UNVOTE:

Getting a bad feeling from those posts ^

Is TSE town now?

Why would you assume I think that simply based on an unvote?

The fact you're positioning yourself to hammer like that causes me to doubt your alignment, which in turn causes me to doubt whether my read on TSE is correct.

[Luca Blight]

So what was the whole Bugs/Volxen thing about? A misdirection?

Of course me unvoting TSE doesn't automatically mean I TR them - I just want to think more before the day is ended.

[Luca Blight]

Why did the stubborness force your hand, especially when you recognized yourself that this can be a Town trait?

And just to be clear, you never actually thought Bugs and Volxen are scum together - you just wanted to get a read on them (implying they're null)?

[Luca Blight]

I didn't like bugs' tone + volxen has been an inactive slot who I wanted to get more of a read on especially.
And TSE has just been consistently anti-town, I just can't deal with that. It's annoying and doesn't help us.
TSE's tone reads towny

but just I cant ignore how much their actions scream scum

.

Can you elaborate on this?

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: Koba

[Luca Blight]

I'm also pinged by how Volxen comes in and writes a wall post about two George posts from five pages ago, but doesn't comment on anything relevant going on right now.

[Luca Blight]

TSE, if you want to survive this day you'd better vote someone at the very least.

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: Koba

I assume you also see what I see, that's neat

I don't like their recent change of stance on TSE, and when I questioned him why TSE's actions scream scum in our real time conversation they suddenly disappeared, as if they don't know the answer.

[Luca Blight]

I didn't like bugs' tone + volxen has been an inactive slot who I wanted to get more of a read on especially.
And TSE has just been consistently anti-town, I just can't deal with that. It's annoying and doesn't help us.
TSE's tone reads towny but just I cant ignore how much their actions scream scum.

I didn't like bugs' tone + volxen has been an inactive slot who I wanted to get more of a read on especially.
And TSE has just been consistently anti-town, I just can't deal with that. It's annoying and doesn't help us.
TSE's tone reads towny

but just I cant ignore how much their actions scream scum

.

Can you elaborate on this?

These posts are just two minutes apart.

It could be an unfortunate coincidence that Koba suddenly had to go AFK in between their post and mine, but I would really have appreciated a timely answer to that question.

[Luca Blight]

I definitely want to see a lot more of Volxen before this day is out.

[Luca Blight]

Posting everything in walls can certainly be a scumtell; it allows players to hide easier.

The fact Volxen is not only posting in walls but also ignoring current events in favour of things that happened 5 pages ago pings me harder. It’s a way of looking productive without needing to take a stance on anything relevant.

[Luca Blight]

Luca can you give a readlist? I'm getting a wolfy vibe from you and your somrgasboard of scumtells

I think you’re exaggerating my scumtell usage, but I try to explain why certain things are scummy because we’re in a newbie and it’s useful for newer players to pick up on these things. I’ve seen many scum players hide behind walls in a similar manner. Some players have that style as both alignments, but Volxen’s pings me specifically for the reasons I mentioned.

Right now I scumread everyone to varying degrees except you, the Chuck slot, Chaz and George.

[Luca Blight]

I think I’ve explained how I feel about most, if not all, slots in the game.

Is there any read you want to know more about specifically?

[Luca Blight]

How do you feel about Volxen, Bugs?

[Luca Blight]

Koba has entirely dodged my question.

Why do TSE’s actions scream scum? Unless you can effectively answer this then my vote will remain.

[Luca Blight]

How do you feel about Volxen, Bugs?

he has good takes on gb and has effectively analysed the gamestate
nulltown i'd say

Can you give a specific example of this effective analysis?

It feels he’s been rehashing what I’ve said for the most part.

[Luca Blight]

No-one hammer yet, I still need more from Koba and Volxen.

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: TSE

VOTE: tsel-1

You two want to talk about this?

Do I even try at this point?
Koba flipping mafia at least indicates that Me and Luca are Town.
My lynch doesn’t do shit but gets rid of someone who’s the top scum read.
It’s best to do confirmability via lynch rather then PLing.

By the same token, you flipping scum would indicate me and Koba are Town.

[Luca Blight]

Lucas how about you stop attacking people and answer for yourself? Your own play seems to have been to only question others and the fact you are saying you have "multiple scumreads" is like you're setting up a lynch order.
You never gave me a solid answer on why you unvoted TSE nor answered why your read on them changed enough to go on me.
All that I've done so far is fish for reactions and tried to trick scum into participating more and help us gamesolve but instead you jump on a wagon?
I could just be lurky and not help town.
Why are you pushing the lynch off TSE Lucas?

I have multiple scumreads because there are multiple scummy slots. I am not setting up a lynch order - I am sorting as best I can today as I'm probably going to be dead Tomorrow.

I unvoted TSE because I wanted more time to think - I told you that already. I wasn't ready to end the day and still am not.

My read on TSE has nothing to do with my read on you.

I've explained why your change of stance on TSE seems calculated to me, and the fact you've avoided the vital question of '

why TSE's actions scream scum

' is a massive red flag against you. The answer to that question was essential to helping me understand if your reasons for switching were genuine or nor, but you a) Suddenly went offline when I asked the question and b) have continued to ignore it.

It reeks of delaying tactics.

[Luca Blight]

its possible he has been rehashing stuff you've said tbh

i'll go back and look

VOTE: tsel-1

Why the rush to put TSE at L-1 when we were considering Volxen?

Did you even go back and check like you said you would?

[Luca Blight]

I can see why volxen's inactivity and ignorance of recent events seems scummy,

but why would scum want to keep going back to questioning a similarly inactive player who now is kind of flying under the radar.

Yes if the biggest scumread in the game is their partner but then why not jump on a preexisting counterwagon like DkKoba. I think they're just not caught up yet and George is simply their biggest read still.

Because it's easy and makes them look busy without having to take a hard stance on any current events.

Why commit to a stance on TSE/Koba when he can just rest easy on his vanity wagon?

[Luca Blight]

Just unvote for the meantime, you can always re-vote later.

Kobe and Volxen really need assessing before this day is through.

[Luca Blight]

I'm thinking Bugs/Volxen could be a thing after all - Bugs' reaction to the Volxen pressure is weird.

[Luca Blight]

I've answered your question?

I want to know why TSE's actions scream scum. If your reasons for SR'ing him were genuine then surely you'd just answer this point, thus helping me read you correctly? And yet you keep stalling, what am I meant to think?

[Luca Blight]

Could you point me to the bugs volxen pressure, Luca?

No, you misunderstand.

I pressured Volxen (in so far as you can pressure an inactive player), and Bugs' reaction to my pressure was weird.

[Luca Blight]

Posting everything in walls can certainly be a scumtell; it allows players to hide easier.

The fact Volxen is not only posting in walls but also ignoring current events in favour of things that happened 5 pages ago pings me harder. It’s a way of looking productive without needing to take a stance on anything relevant.

Luca can you give a readlist? I'm getting a wolfy vibe from you and your somrgasboard of scumtells

The wolfy vibe is just the last few pages tbh

First it was here - I start to apply a little pressure to Volxen, and then Bugs' shades me for the first time this game, which felt like you were looking to undermine the point I was making.

Then you gave Volxen a vague null-town read while saying he had effectively analysed the game, and then switched the attention immediately back to TSE. Maybe this was a genuine reaction test (I dislike such tests btw) but it feels like you're unwilling to allow much attention to be focused on that slot.

[Luca Blight]

That's pretty much the same question as 'do you now TR TSE'?

My answer was that no, I don't TR them. The reason I don't want them immediately lynched is because I want to assess you and Volxen further before the day is over.

[Luca Blight]

Well, if Koba flipping scum makes you Town, surely the reverse is also true?

[Luca Blight]

If Koba continues to evade my question then I'll happily lynch them over TSE.

[Luca Blight]

Well, if Koba flipping scum makes you Town, surely the reverse is also true?

How does that work?

TSE's point was that if Koba flips scum then it indicates TSE is Town. Bascially meaning TSE and Koba isn't S/S.

Which means we recieve the same benefit from TSE flipping scum.

[Luca Blight]

As much as I dislike and SR TSE's play this game, I get the feeling from how everyone is reacting to the wagons that they're probably not scum.

I'm preferring a lynch in Koba/Volxen right now.

[Luca Blight]

Well, if Koba flipping scum makes you Town, surely the reverse is also true?

How does that work?

TSE's point was that if Koba flips scum then it indicates TSE is Town. Bascially meaning TSE and Koba isn't S/S.

Which means we recieve the same benefit from TSE flipping scum.

There's a difference between not being SvS and being SvT or TvT. If one flips Town it is not instantly confirmed the other is scum and you're an SE and should know that.

But neither TSE nor I mentioned a Town flip?

Read again.

[Luca Blight]

I think Volxen is a better lynch than Bugs - I think they are scummier and their flip would then in turn help to sort Bugs.

I do think Volxen/Bugs could be S/S. If Volxen flips Town then Bugs is more likely Town imo.

[Luca Blight]

Ok, so it seems Koba can't explain why TSE's actions scream scum.

I guess they will have to be lynched, then.

[Luca Blight]

I’m having the same problem, tom. I barely even skimmed that post tbh.

Based on play TSE has a great chance of flipping scum. The only thing that makes me doubt it is how everyone has reacted to his wagon.

[Luca Blight]

It’s pure deflection. Kobe has repeatedly avoided my question, so in return is making out I’ve avoided theirs which, as you can see from reading back, clearly isn’t the case.

[Luca Blight]

I didn't like bugs' tone + volxen has been an inactive slot who I wanted to get more of a read on especially.
And TSE has just been consistently anti-town, I just can't deal with that. It's annoying and doesn't help us.
TSE's tone reads towny

but just I cant ignore how much their actions scream scum

.

Can you elaborate on this?

This question was asked at the start of page 19 during a real-time conversation with Koba. They suddenly went offline, which could be a coincidence, but have since completely evaded this question and tried to deflect from it by making out I'm the one ignoring their question.

The implication here is that Koba's reasons for SR'ing TSE weren't genuine to begin with. If they were then Koba would have simply answered my question.

[Luca Blight]

Why are you pushing the lynch off TSE Lucas?

Why are you pushing the lynch off TSE Lucas?

Why are you pushing the lynch off TSE Lucas?

@Luca you never answered this

I'm not sure they quoted it thrice, but I answered their question no fewer than

four

times in total:

Spoiler: here

UNVOTE:

Getting a bad feeling from those posts ^

Is TSE town now?

Why would you assume I think that simply based on an unvote?

The fact you're positioning yourself to hammer like that causes me to doubt your alignment, which in turn causes me to doubt whether my read on TSE is correct.

Spoiler: here

So what was the whole Bugs/Volxen thing about? A misdirection?

Of course me unvoting TSE doesn't automatically mean I TR them - I just want to think more before the day is ended

.

Spoiler: here

Lucas how about you stop attacking people and answer for yourself? Your own play seems to have been to only question others and the fact you are saying you have "multiple scumreads" is like you're setting up a lynch order.
You never gave me a solid answer on why you unvoted TSE nor answered why your read on them changed enough to go on me.
All that I've done so far is fish for reactions and tried to trick scum into participating more and help us gamesolve but instead you jump on a wagon?
I could just be lurky and not help town.
Why are you pushing the lynch off TSE Lucas?

I have multiple scumreads because there are multiple scummy slots. I am not setting up a lynch order - I am sorting as best I can today as I'm probably going to be dead Tomorrow.

I unvoted TSE because I wanted more time to think - I told you that already. I wasn't ready to end the day and still am not.

My read on TSE has nothing to do with my read on you.

I've explained why your change of stance on TSE seems calculated to me, and the fact you've avoided the vital question of '

why TSE's actions scream scum

' is a massive red flag against you. The answer to that question was essential to helping me understand if your reasons for switching were genuine or nor, but you a) Suddenly went offline when I asked the question and b) have continued to ignore it.

It reeks of delaying tactics.

Spoiler: and here

That's pretty much the same question as 'do you now TR TSE'?

My answer was that no, I don't TR them. The reason I don't want them immediately lynched is because I want to assess you and Volxen further before the day is over.

And yet Koba continues to dodge my question on the grounds that I supposedly haven't answered their's, which as you can see is nonsense.

[Luca Blight]

I didn't like bugs' tone + volxen has been an inactive slot who I wanted to get more of a read on especially.
And TSE has just been consistently anti-town, I just can't deal with that. It's annoying and doesn't help us.
TSE's tone reads towny

but just I cant ignore how much their actions scream scum

.

Can you elaborate on this?

This question was asked at the start of page 19 during a real-time conversation with Koba. They suddenly went offline, which could be a coincidence, but have since completely evaded this question and tried to deflect from it by making out I'm the one ignoring their question.

The implication here is that Koba's reasons for SR'ing TSE weren't genuine to begin with. If they were then Koba would have simply answered my question.

you have read the game. you were more focused on how scum TSE was. stop with your dishonest as fuck intentions. Between the mason claim, the dodgy explanation, and then finally the wolfy vote onto me, and probably more that im forgetting, TSE has consistently shown scummy actions throughout the game. And yet now suddenly you are making an excuse to back off of them. You are hard focused on trying to get me as a "gotcha" for a stupid question like this. meanwhile you have STILL YET TO PROPERLY EXPLAIN why TSE is townier to you despite hard pushing them as scum.

How many times do I have to say that TSE is

NOT

townier to me.

My read on TSE is irrelevant to my read on you.

You cannot answer why TSE's actions scream scum - which makes your whole shift in stance look contrived. Therefore, I think you are scum and my vote will remain on you.

[Luca Blight]

How is my question '

fucking stupid

' when it's questioning the reason behind your change in stance?

That is as pertinent as any question you'll find in this game - scum invent such reasons, Town don't. The fact you can't answer the question to save your life means I don't believe your change in stance is genuine. If you want to convince me otherwise then answer my question.

[Luca Blight]

THERE WAS NO CHANGE IN STANCE YOU DUNCE I EXPLAINED IT WAS A FAKE READ TO GET THEM TO BE MORE COMFORTABLE TO MAKE THEM OUT MORE INFORMATION TO HELP GAMESOLVE

What an idiot you're making yourself look.

A stance is a position you take, whether fake or not it is still a stance. I'm questioning whether you are telling the truth or not, but the fact you can't answer the very simple question I asked pages ago shows that you are lying about it, and are therefore scum. There's no other explanation.

[Luca Blight]

if TSE is not townier then why won't you lynch them? why did you unvote them?

Do you have trouble with reading comprehension? I've answered this five times already. I unvoted them because I don't want the day to end yet - I want to assess you and Volxen further. I won't say this again.

I did finally answer and now YOU are ignoring it.

Show me where you answered it?

Now how about you answer why I am scum here over TSE? Why are you voting me specifically here over TSE, if as you claim, they are not townier?

I SR you both, but right now you have been caught unable to explain the reasons for your actions, and are a bigger SR. When you said Townier I assumed you meant townier than they were before, which is not the case. Are they townier than you right now? Less scummy is the term I'd use.

[Luca Blight]

Ok, I'm done trying to interact with you. You're incapable of answering the question, and are trying to accuse me of doing the same as what you're doing, even when I've proven I haven't dodged any of your questions. You're also being toxic.

My vote is locked in place.

[Luca Blight]

He said he explained it.
What didn’t he explain?

Koba never explained why your actions screamed scum.

I've asked them to show me where they explained it, but they can't, because it never happened. I'm done with this argument.

[Luca Blight]

Lynch Koba today and then Volxen needs seriously looking into on D2, regardless of the flip.

[Luca Blight]

I’m willing to cool this for now. The only reasons being that Koba gave a pretty full readslist which scum are usually reluctant to do when near being lynched, + I’m really curious about Volxen.

VOTE: Volxen

[Luca Blight]

The recent flame-war

erm....

I was going to say

The recent flame-war was HEATED and changed my read on Luca a bit. I still think Jackson is the best choice right now though.

Can you elaborate on why/how your read on me changed?

[Luca Blight]

Bugs, why are you voting me?

Volxen’s claim was unnecessary, I just wanted to probe him into some relevant content.

@Koba: I switched the focus to Volxen because he’s the only one that hasn’t been under the spotlight today, and I had a gut scumread on him based on his distant play.

If anyone has a cc then claim. Otherwise, I think TSE is the best lynch given the circumstances.

VOTE: TSE

[Luca Blight]

Bugspray's view on putting people at L-1 seems to change with the direction the wind is blowing. And the way they're cutesy playing games that give them chuckles are not help Town at all. Their play is erratic and seemingly only benefiting themself. I'm leaning toward lynching this slot or TSE today.

My pronouns are they them

I believe those are the pronouns that were used.

I’ve noticed a pattern - every time someone says something negative about Bugs they respond with complaints about their pronouns, and in this case even when they were used perfectly.

Is this some sort of defence mechanism?

[Luca Blight]

You’ve done it at least 3 times, Bugs, maybe 4. I’m on my phone atm so I’m not going to search through your posts to find them.

I noticed you dodged the question - why are you voting me?

[Luca Blight]

Bugs, why are you voting me?

Volxen’s claim was unnecessary, I just wanted to probe him into some relevant content.

@Koba: I switched the focus to Volxen because he’s the only one that hasn’t been under the spotlight today, and I had a gut scumread on him based on his distant play.

If anyone has a cc then claim. Otherwise, I think TSE is the best lynch given the circumstances.

VOTE: TSE

So I’m always the best lynch here?
Despite you suggesting we push the JK and I joined in hoping we would lynch scum today and not me.
I’m like 50/50 on you being Town based upon all this.

You’ve claimed VT, you’re as scummy as anyone in this game and are playing completely reactively. You are objectively the best lynch today.

[Luca Blight]

You’re lying, Bugs.

You voted me before the business regarding the pronouns and before your policy comment.

[Luca Blight]

luca is just so on the attack and when tse flips green luca will flip red

I’m sorting and being proactive. These are things Town players are supposed to be doing.

[Luca Blight]

If anyone is flipping red after a TSE green flip then it’s probably Bugs, given they seem to strongly believe TSE is flipping green despite the fact Bugs has been SR’ing them most of the game, which seems like TMI.

Bugs is the one on the attack - trying to tie a TSE green flip with me being scum, which is entirely baseless.

[Luca Blight]

I agree with that last post, TSE, but a) I don’t think there would be a consensus for a Bugs lynch and b) you’ve claimed VT which makes you a safer lynch with one pr already outed.

Plus is feels like you’ve been in full on survival mode for most of the game.

[Luca Blight]

luca is just so on the attack and when tse flips green luca will flip red

I’m sorting and being proactive. These are things Town players are supposed to be doing.

dae lamist

I’m pointing out that the reason you’re supposedly SR’ing me for isn’t scummy, but is actually what Town players should be doing.

Does it automatically mean I’m Town? No, as there are some great scum players out there (I’m not one of them) but it’s no reason to SR me.

[Luca Blight]

Jk bugs - they are the only conf non-Town pr.

[Luca Blight]

I am the

Town Tracker

.

Volxen visited Alora last night.

VOTE: Volxen

[Luca Blight]

I didn’t crumb, other than saying to jail Bugs as they aren’t a PR. If I’m lying then lynch me tomorrow.

Game is won.

[Luca Blight]

TSE could have been lying about his role and it was possible, although unlikely, that you were pulling some sort of Town gambit.

Basically there was no reason for me to reveal it at the end of D1, while there was the benefit of being able to prove that you were lying by not claiming until D2.

[Luca Blight]

This is no gambit.

There would be no reason for me to lie about this as scum, as it would mean a guaranteed loss. If Volxen flips town then lynch me tomorrow. Town has won this game regardless.

[Luca Blight]

Just vote Volxen so we can get this won.

Why would scum not kill the claimed JK? Why would scum not only not kill the JK but make up a Town Tracker claim at the start of D2, removing any possible chance of winning?

And even if, for some absurd reason, I am lying, you can just lynch me tomorrow to win the game anyway.

[Luca Blight]

Good game, everyone. Some heated moments but we got there in the end (and a perfect win too).