Newbie 1984 - Game Over

[DkKoba]

Hi, i have 4 years of chat mafia experience amd am slowly learning the meta on this site VOTE: Hectic

[DkKoba]

omgusing this early into the game? Bold strategy

[DkKoba]

Hey, does everyone mind asking some questions? I want to try RQS (Random Questioning Stage) this game for fun. It's some fun harmless questions which has potential to start discussion. Appreciate if everyone answers. I'm well-versed in Pikapika, so I can translate what Detective Pikachu says.

1) Do you prefer playing town or scum?
2) What is your experience with playing mafia?
3) If you could have a super power, what would you pick?
4) What is your ideal location to live in?
5) How excited are you to play this game?

1)scum, only slight preference, town it depends on if i roll pr or not
2) 4 years on epicmafia
3)ability to rewind time
4)by the ocean anywhere where its warm at least part of the year
5) im neutral

[DkKoba]

I'm on break so can't properly respond to anything but I'm already not a fan of DP's stupid gimmick

[DkKoba]

Woah woah we're at L-1 already and just woke up in the morning.
DP is obviously either scum or not a great player. This is probably the same with Hectic. The thing is they both seem so authentically mediocre that I would be impressed with any scum managing to fake play the way they do. I'm happy with policy lynches not on D1 and definitely not on the first day of D1. I also have reason to suspect at least one of the wagoners of being mafia. This is a very common tactic that mafia use - getting town to vote for the bad players instead of scum. Analysing the wagoners on Hectic.

Spoiler:

Actually, answer these instead please:

Hey, does everyone mind asking some questions? I want to try RQS (Random Questioning Stage) this game for fun. It's some fun harmless questions which has potential to start discussion. Appreciate if everyone answers. I'm well-versed in Pikapika, so I can translate what Detective Pikachu says.

0) Are you town or scum?
1) Do you prefer playing town or scum?
2) What is your experience with playing mafia?
3) If you could have a super power, what would you pick?
4) What is your ideal location to live in?
5) How excited are you to play this game?
6) If you could ask other players another question, what would that question be?

VOTE: Hectic
these never work and ur faking contribution
also
0) yes
1) 3p
2) alot, just alot
3) I wish for more wishes
4) Canada
5) idk, at least 6
6) can we lynch hectic already

@ROUND ONE, your post appears to be fairly non-suspect, you simply voted for him because you felt he was a bad player, although I personally wouldn't have gone so far as to vote for him.

this seems extremely disingenuous based on tone + timing, can you explain your intentions with this post?

[DkKoba]

actually just based on Hectic's tone post being pushed via the votes I want to put some pressure on Arthur VOTE: ArthurConyl

[DkKoba]

DP if you sr Artur why not vote them with me?

[DkKoba]

hey could be worse, they could be from epicmafia

[DkKoba]

What's your take on luca rn?

Was this directed at me? Because i really havent focused on luca thus far, mainly looking between hectic and the reactions to the wagon.

[DkKoba]

hey could be worse, they could be from epicmafia

I refuse to believe epicmafia is real despite being on it
there is worse
the worse mafia community ive ever seen is technically my fault
so thats fun

Was more of a self jab since thats where im from

[DkKoba]

Im waiting on arthur to wake up since the current actives i would consider already putting in a town block

[DkKoba]

Ha, but seeing the biggest egos clash together can be pretty funny as well. More painful when you have to pick up the pieces after the fallout though.

I can..arrange this...as an ego player

[DkKoba]

sorry xtowxm <3

Nice try

[DkKoba]

alright i want hectic, DP, and r1 in my townblocc, what do yall say to that

[DkKoba]

Tbh, this is half the reason I did: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11496942

But I've got some nice reads from it actually. Waiting on Luca and Arthur to answer (or refuse to) before I disclose them.

Townblock y/n?

[DkKoba]

The thing with the boon thing, is that those people do these dumb things as town so they can be metaread as NAI when they do them as scum. My method of curbing this was to assume is as scumplay and lynch them accordingly so it stops them from doing it

[DkKoba]

actually just based on Hectic's tone post being pushed via the votes I want to put some pressure on Arthur VOTE: ArthurConyl

He also doesn't have an avi which in my experience is 100% confirmation that someone is scum in this queue

not really game related but I have to agree, DP did make me roll on the floor laughing when I saw this, reminds me of "policy lynching" in Sandbox Lobby on Epicmafia

[DkKoba]

This is what I mean by ‘forced’ - your read on me feels entirely rushed and fabricated.

You say I’m scum for not answering RQS - I ask why is it scummy, you said because scum sometimes pick fights. I ask ‘was I picking a fight by not answering them’ you’re like ‘not really, but you’re scummy for no socializing and not laid back’.

So you’re moving the goalposts, can’t explain what you even mean by socializing in this context, and SR me for not being laid back, which is normal for someone who is being attacked?

I like my vote here for now.

VOTE: Pikachu

I read Pikachu's tone as town so I'm curious as to why you think it is scum?

[DkKoba]

I come back and see 3 votes on Artur but still not Artur, I feel scammed.
Also, I'm moving Luca into a townlean here.

[DkKoba]

speak of the devil

[DkKoba]

R1 sounds very innocent idk how to explain it but their tone is so pure i cant ever vote them here

[DkKoba]

I'm not used to being in the position of not being involved so i'm not sure how to insert myself here, I feel a bit awkward rn. I want to reread when I'm able to and assess properly while I think the value of getting pressure put on DP is valuabl eI still feel their tone is more town than scum so far.

[DkKoba]

Does anyone else feel like DP vs R1 is TvT

yes but I don't feel like my view is as meaningful here

[DkKoba]

Idk I just feel like not as important hjere I want to insert myself but I feel afraid to because itll feel unnatural or will defuse if u know ahta I mean

[DkKoba]

Were you also feeling like this at the beginning of the game, if not what changed?

I'm used to being either on the attack or on the defense and being like.. oin the sidelines is just not my style. As a newer player I feel even less comfortable in insterting myself. I have reads I just feel like I odnt matter as much here. Once im sober tomorrw I can give sober reads. but i still maintain that r1 is pure and innocent so far. Thats my hard townread .

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Natsu

[DkKoba]

I am drunk but I want natsu pushed bc they didnt join my townblocc earier

[DkKoba]

I have no idea who natsu's partner is, I kinda am dreaming I get nightkilled by the scum to shut me up but that's probably too optimistic given the wagon, but it'd be nice if we could get back on that

What happens to you if natsu is lynched and is green? Do you still die in the night? if you dont die in the night is it reasonable for me to vote you to start day 2?

what is this supposed to mean

[DkKoba]

I usually don't play ultimatums like that but honestly if natsu is town here my reads are probably so fucked I shouldn't be in lylo so sure

I don't like this line.

[DkKoba]

@dkkoba do you have any reads at all that aren't tone-based?

And I get that you're drunk and almost don't even want to reply to this, but your reasoning is dumb. You never even asked me to join your townblocc.

alright i want hectic, DP, and r1 in my townblocc, what do yall say to that

tone is always my best lead in early game. mafia will always do things differently timing wise, etc. later one and will tell on themselves through that.

[DkKoba]

hi I'm really sorry I forgot about mafiascum for the most part for the past like 24 hours or so, life's been super hectic.

[DkKoba]

my pronouns are they/them please

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Natsu

I am drunk but I want natsu pushed bc they didnt join my townblocc earier

He thinks that not wanting to work together with a town block but not attacking the inclusion of members directly is scummy. Effectively he was asking for your initial take on his reads and you came off as defensive, if I understand his reasoning. Now in this case you didn't understand the concept, but since you didn't react the way he expected town to act, isn't he justified from his point of view in suspecting you?

ok u actually kinda quantified my gut read into something tangible. I sorta tend to forget over time why i gut read someone as scummy but this was a reminder to that.

[DkKoba]

honestly i feel lost as fuck and dont have much hard confidence in any read right now. theres stuff thats like scummy and shit and like yeah i can see some people as being scum but nothing hardline.

[DkKoba]

this is not an easy d1 game,I regret not being aggressive this game

[DkKoba]

like I want to be sure of my push before I commit. for the record if u put a gun to my head and forced me to choose id lynch natsu right now for their reaction to the push on them

[DkKoba]

My reads on DkK and Luca is that they don't feel town aligned with their contributions.

Luca feels to be setting up a D1 mislynch, with purpose of pushing 72 D2. Am expecting today's lynch to be between Natsu and DkK, there'll be time to sort him come D2 (good investigation target).

DkK comes across as active lurking. His reasoning for Natsu vote is also inadequate imo (#652).

if you're going to accuse me of active lurking, you should have some quotes to back yourself up. also my pronouns are they/them, which you would have noticed had you actually really read me.
with a setup with 9 people, I don't find it productive to shout over people just to hear my voice heard unless I have a good read I want to push on.
And as for your expectations, I don't think that your sub in made you supreme town leader here. I have been busy IRL more as well as being busy running an offsite forum game, so yes my contributions are not as substantial or frequent as I'd like them to be, but other than the banter I've had with DP I have attempted to be open with my thought process and allow things to play out.

[DkKoba]

Skimmed through the thread, here are current reads;

{Pikachu}
{IMASPY, Natsu, Hectic}
{72, R1} - null
{DkK}
{Luca}

Will read through more thoroughly and give cases in a few.

@IMASPY, DkK, Pika, Luca, reasons for the Natsu wagon?

had you ISO'd me you would have seen my vote + the reasoning I gave for it

[DkKoba]

I kind of don't want to go to bed now because I am very much thinking offsuit is going to hammer without warning.

do you scumread offsuit? you know there's 2 ml? if they lolhammer you and you flip town they're almost guaranteed to get lunched d2 you know that right? this comes off as AtE to me to get votes off(it is similar to in epicmafia when someone unvotes because they are afraid of getting hammered suddenly, not fully AI depending on game context but yeah)

[DkKoba]

I have a theory on why luca has not pushed me harder and I don't wish to pursue it right now but it makes him town fwiw. this is based on our most recently completed game together where luca ended up flipping as PR.
I wouldn't lynch luca here without better evidence against them.

[DkKoba]

who the hell actually PR read IAMASPY

[DkKoba]

also DP nv

[DkKoba]

im roleswapping with pr right now no wifom

[DkKoba]

anyways I've been itching to discuss d1 flip and i'd like to say good work team

[DkKoba]

DP u werent supposed to leak our masonhood shhh

[DkKoba]

Also when im off work ill read into interactions around hectic to help find last scum. I think my early vote on them should show that i am pretty obviously not partners with them considering they flipped mafia pr.

[DkKoba]

oh sorry natsu*** not hectic

[DkKoba]

Dkkoba tmiing hectic as last scum

tmiing?

[DkKoba]

Bit early for discussing re possiblity of role claiming, i think everyone should post their thought Re who are possible scum before that

cop here inno dead

[DkKoba]

after work tomorrow i can properly play, my goal is to mindfuck scum rn

[DkKoba]

Ye the fizz has gone out of the game.
I was actually oddly disappointed when natsu flipped scum and roleblocker at that.

Is that bc you are solo scum? Because my mood is high since we have both prs alive rn and preserved 2 ml alongside lynching mafia PR

[DkKoba]

I tr R1 but i'll vote them since its auto. I hardclaim VT since it is autowin. VOTE: R1

[DkKoba]

Not DkKoba based on that post they made where they suggested someone was townreading them because they thought they were a PR, which made the other person town. Not John Marv based on Doro's play + replacing out.

Didn't think much further ahead of that. Just thought it was you, Luca or Pikachu.

My reaasoning for doing this was to get NK, its a strategy i've employed in chat mafia. My death rate after d1 with setups that dont involve d1 claims is very high as blue/VT

[DkKoba]

honestly R1 was my top townread i was never lynching them, id be surprised to see them flip scum. but auto is auto

[DkKoba]

I think the setup should have 8 people with 1 ML into a mylo

[DkKoba]

remove a VT