Titus v. Alisae (endgame)

[Pine]

"Died" with twelve pages in the first 18 hours or so...what the hell is this

[Pine]

OKAY HI

I AM AN ASCETIC ENABLER

WHILE I LIVE, THERE ARE MULTIPLE ASCETICS TO CONTEND WITH

I SHOULD PROBABLY DIE EARLY BECAUSE OF THIS

EVERYONE IN YOUR NEXT POST MUST CLAIM ASCETIC OR NON-ASCETIC

REFUSAL TO DO SO OR LATER LIES EXPOSED WILL BE TREATED AS A HARD SCUMCLAIM

[Pine]

non-ascetic but why

Because Ascetic is a pro-scum role. Multiple unprovoked claims means there's several, which mean we will have PRs failing left and right. Town PRs need to know who not to target, and we need to be able to spot later fakeclaims

[Pine]

Also, because I need to die early, I will be TRYHARDING this game. I am caught up. I will remain caught up. I will take at least one scum with me and give Titus (may she reign forever) the tools to eviscerate the rest

This is my first opportunity to be non-scum in one of these games and I will DO IT UP

[Pine]

But I like Alisae and have never smelled them. Scum!Alisae though, that beezy probably smells heinous.

Also we are ascetic, love you all, and are here to remind you that if you have NU and you do not claim that shit immediately we will ensure you are lynched when that shit comes out.

-Cerb

fuck dude all the pedits.

Acknowledged. Volunteering the information is +Townpoints

But I like Alisae and have never smelled them. Scum!Alisae though, that beezy probably smells heinous.

Also we are ascetic, love you all, and are here to remind you that if you have NU and you do not claim that shit immediately we will ensure you are lynched when that shit comes out.

-Cerb

fuck dude all the pedits.

I’m also ascetic. Interesting.

Acknowledged

ascetic scum claim tbh

Incorrect, but +++Townpoints. Scum have insight into setup and would not have gone out on this limb

Two people already claimed ascetic?

Okay in that case

Hardclaim town commuter

we're x-shot, not gonna say how many shots tho

-Sherlock

Extremely suspect!!!1! I don't think I buy Town Commuter in an Ascetic game, this is most likely Ascetic scum setting up to pass off why your targeted action failed

[Pine]

I would have claimed ascetic in my first post if I were ascetic

Therefore, I am not

Pine I am excited for you to try hard

Tell me who the scum are

I believe this post.

Current scumlist: Ankamius and Sherlock/Watson

Ank would have been VERY high on Ali's recruit list, probably #1

Ali never drafts FL or I

[Pine]

Is someone else making a list? Because this is the sort of shit I would normally make a list of, but low effort me is not going to make a list of it.

I highly recommend someone who is motivated make a list and post it for everyone.

Is there a universe where scum!Pine makes that claim? I don't think so? Like, if it's true then way to throw away a bunch of utility(though maybe there's other shit going on that outweighs a buncha ascetic stuff?)...and if it's fake umm...people just kill you.

Town pine=ascetic enabler=game balanced around mandatory mislynch?

-Cerb

I will summarize when everyone has responded or refused to do so

[Pine]

Also, before it matters, I am

not

solely an Enabler. I have a power role that is paired very nicely with that feature. I don't want to specify, but it gives me some power to detect lies on this account. I should probably be lynched day 3 or 4. Early enough so LYLO isn't a worry, late enough that I can use it a few times and give scum a chance to panic-waste their kill on me.

[Pine]

Just throwing it out there. Maybe Pine doesn't have to die.

+scumpoints

Yes I do

[Pine]

Espe is a pretty strong candidate for Alisae's deepwolf, now that I think about it

[Pine]

@M+K: Psychology. Ali, as much as I love eir, is headstrong and willful. E wants to win, badly, and while I respect that, it drives eir to recklessness. E wants to win, but e wants to win without "sharing" it with anyone who might take the spotlight. FL and I are regarded as among the top scum players on the site, and are especially known for our gifts with rallying scumteams. That's the role Ali is taking on here, and e wouldn't draft potential rivals. E's too much of an alpha for that.

PE: Espe, you do you. I don't know your role and can't be held responsible for fucking it up when you soft like that. You're +EV scum though, so fuck right off anyway
PE2: Ank, you're a Town goddess, but you're also an excellent scumzor. Stealing you from Town is a HUGE swing. You were high on MY recruit list, second only to Dann as (successful) deepwolf. Don't you dare underestimate yourself.

[Pine]

OK KIDS. SERIOUS TIME. I ENCOURAGE PINE TO STOP TRYING TO SOLVE THE GAME BECAUSE I AM GOING TO AND NEED ONE NIGHT PHASE AFTER THAT CONTINUE THIS AND DETERMINE THE WEIGHTING REQUIRED TO DETERMINE IF PINE HAS TO DIE YADA YADA

Thanks

Uhh, double fuck off mate.

I'll give you some slack and space, but I'm not going to just abdicate over here.

[Pine]

HEY WHAT HAPPENS IF I MAKE THE TEXT SIZE BIGGER. DOES THAT MEAN PEOPLE WILL LISTEN TO ME MORE

Sure.

By the way, for all you folks looking to interpret my WIFOM next time around, this is what a distraction tactic looks like. Ignore what Ali SAYS, and looks for the motives BEHIND what e's saying. The gamesolving is making eir panic a little.

[Pine]

No

Absolutely not

I will take masonfishing as a soft scumclaim

Masons - don't make yourself obvious. We don't need you to be heroes. We need you to be late-game hidden weapons. I nearly lost AVP because of the huge number of confirmed Town in the lategame. If the Masons had successfully remained hidden, we'd have been screwed.

[Pine]

Still waiting on Ascetic/Not responses from:

TSE
Flavor Leaf
Frozen Angel
AaronFrost
Turkey

To be fair, only FL has posted since I outed myself, and he was dicking around

[Pine]

VOTE: TSE

[Pine]

I would like more votes on Sherlock and Watson

Idk how many there are currently but I still want more

As much as I want to punish TSE's bad behavior, I think you're right.

VOTE: Sherlock and Watson

[Pine]

Anyone found later to have withheld an Ascetic claim will be turbolynched without mercy

[Pine]

They are welcome to try lying, but I haven’t revealed the second half of my role that lets me enforce this inquisition

[Pine]

Sorry, my internet was out all day yesterday and I’ve been working most of today. I’m present

[Pine]

Hi I'm not dead

I've had a day without internet, a couple of sad days, influenza A rampant at work, and a tired day. I should have declared V/LA

What did I miss?

[Pine]

Pine I have a special delivery for you

Spoiler: Pine

∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾ My dearest Pine I would like to invite you to the honor of a day one lynch on scum Dunnstra l! Would you like to vote Maki and Kaito? ∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾

-S

^Bussing

Hi I'm not dead

I've had a day without internet, a couple of sad days, influenza A rampant at work, and a tired day. I should have declared V/LA

What did I miss?

Gobble's being stubborn, Maki's being off from meta are the two big ones.

Titus I trust

VOTE: Maki and Kaito

[Pine]

Btw Gobble's refusing to claim ascetic or not until you explain it.

I've explained it as much as I'm going to.

FL's endorsement also makes me excited about this wagon.

[Pine]

-My role suggests there are several ascetics in the game
-It's a negative utility that needs to be declared so Town PRs don't waste their shot on ascetics
-Claiming this aspect limits fakeclaim options
-There is very likely exactly one scum ascetic, so identifying that subgroup gives us a lead, just like neighborhoods
-The Town IC saw the benefit immediately, so fucking do it now, bird

[Pine]

I have a (very) soft guilty on Amrun.

Spicy!

[Pine]

Wait no I don't. I forgot how my role worked for a sec.

Ignore me.

[Pine]

VOTE: OkaPoka

[Pine]

I feel like this game is in the bag. OkaPoka and the Ascetics is probably a solve.

[Pine]

Actually no - two Ascetics is probably too few - RR and Amrun both volunteered their modifiers. The scum ascetic likely didn’t claim.

Failed PR attempts against non-claimed targets should be treated as soft guilties

[Pine]

S+W and Ank remain top suspects to me

[Pine]

Nope

[Pine]

Two people already claimed ascetic?

Okay in that case

Hardclaim town commuter

we're x-shot, not gonna say how many shots tho

-Sherlock

I think this is a scum ascetic claim

[Pine]

PP and Krazy were both on the winning scumteam in AVP, they’d be nice recruits too

[Pine]

Yeah, mockery and blatant shade don’t work here

[Pine]

Further, as the only one with actual experience drafting a scumteam for one of these, there’s a REASON I picked the two of you, and getting both for one draft choice would make you especially attractive

[Pine]

Be kind, please. It’s not easy.

[Pine]

I'm kinda surprised pine still doesn't get how drafting works but pine's argument feels more vengeful-ghosts attacking krazy than micc's pokeman-attacking krazy at a glance

-S

...is this a joke?

Camn and I

designed

the drafting system, and then Ali and I improved on it, then Jingle and Ali and I refined it.

Gtfo

[Pine]

I'm kinda surprised pine still doesn't get how drafting works but pine's argument feels more vengeful-ghosts attacking krazy than micc's pokeman-attacking krazy at a glance

-S

...is this a joke?

Camn and I

designed

the drafting system, and then Ali and I improved on it, then Jingle and Ali and I refined it.

Gtfo

Ok

Then why do you think duckling doesn't pick both me+ank?

-S

Because Ali drafted first, gtfo

[Pine]

Yes Pine

Ali first picked Maria

Who do you think duckling counter-picked?

-S

Ali

says

e picked Maria first

Why the fuck would I believe that? Further, even if true, I don’t believe Ank+you are obligatory first picks for the mod. There are a lot of good choices

[Pine]

Yeah I'm not reading all of the last fifty pages or so either

[Pine]

I've got a rolecop on Espeonage.

Fullclaim in your next post.

[Pine]

Nah, I just got a No Result on Espeonage. I was thinking he was a lying Ascetic, but I may have missed something.

@Titus, need an impartial view here. Did I choose a shit target, is Espe just stonewalling to bluff me back, or did I get unlucky with targeting someone who was Aliened?

[Pine]

I'm not a rolecop, PS

[Pine]

No

[Pine]

Town Ascetic Enabler Ninja <Investigative type redacted>

[Pine]

non-ascetic

The fact that I have a failed action against Espe makes me highly suspicious.

I want an explanation.

[Pine]

Yo Pine


Why’d you lie about being an enabler

I didn’t. Perhaps you misunderstand what an enabler is

[Pine]

Successful action on Ank, by the way, with a positive result.

[Pine]

Err, negative result. Sorry. She is not what my role detects for. That is a positive thing, hence the mix up.

[Pine]

Targeted Amrun N1 and Espe N2, both actions failed.

N3 targeted Ank because she’s suspicious AF and I suspect an unclaimed Ascetic lurks in the scum

[Pine]

Amrun was, frankly, a mistake. I was running late in my target submission and didn’t have my notes in front of me, but thought Amrun had claimed non-ascetic. I have difficulty reading her, so I decided to use my power two ways - the traditional manner and also to see if people were lying about being Ascetic. That’s why I had the brief false guilty on Amrun, because I thought I’d found the hidden Ascetic. Then I checked my notes

Espe hardclaimed non-Ascetic in the initial round of claims. Combined with his insistence that he’ll be useful and continued lack in that capacity, I’d be willing to vote him today

[Pine]

Who do you want, then?

[Pine]

Why the fuck would I make that up? You also don't know the part I haven't revealed.

[Pine]

Pine, why are you scumreading me?

I'm not really anymore. My result is a (very) soft inno.

[Pine]

Because that guess is wrong.

[Pine]

Ali

Who should I vote for

[Pine]

Forget which thread you're in?

-S

No. I’m happy to engage eir in WIFOM. The record shows I’m better at it than e is.

Thanks, Turkey!

[Pine]

Oh, you get love for it
You get hate for it
You get nothing if you wait for it

A+ content

[Pine]

I’m 98% sure Alisae does not draft Flavor Leaf here.

[Pine]

Actually, while i have you, Pine, why did you advocate for a mass flavor claim in JJH's Skyrim uPick? That play looks eerily similar to what you did here.

Completely different, but okay. I pushed for it there because I was scum with an innocuous flavor, and I was rolefishing

[Pine]

I did confirm that, yes. I got a result on you that was consistent with claims you’ve made.

[Pine]

Pine should claim imo

No. I’ve claimed everything except what kind of investigative I am, I’ve claimed my results such as they are in a way where they’ll become obvious on my flip, and you don’t need to know more.

[Pine]

Wait a minute

You don't already know why I no actioned last night do you?

No

[Pine]

Tired...can’t read all that. Following Titus’s lead

VOTE: Hectic

[Pine]

We love you, Ali. Please talk to people outside the context of high-stakes, deception-based social games.

My DMs are always open to you.

[Pine]

Titus why does Hectic > Aaron?

[Pine]

@Titus I kind of want to lynch S+W. I have since D1, really

[Pine]

VOTE: AF

@S, Is AF a townread? Where's W?

Watson would lynch aaron as well as almost anything else you wanted

-S

Then put your vote where your mouth is

VOTE: AF

@S, Is AF a townread? Where's W?

You got it boss

VOTE: AaronFrost

[Pine]

Titus who should I investigate

[Pine]

I do have a result which I believe is a guilty.

Double-checking prior claims.

[Pine]

Okay, time to lay my cards on the table.

I am a vanilla cop. I investigated Sherlock + Watson because of their early suspicious Commuter claim turned Ascetic turned retraction. They're vanilla, and I think we pursue the fakeclaim.

VOTE: Sherlock + Watson

[Pine]

Look, maybe if you people didn't vomit 300 pages out, I'd be able to read everything.

[Pine]

No.

I do not believe Alisae recruits him. Ever.

[Pine]

Sw is confirmed town because chemist got blocked, aaronfrost couldnt block, sw is confirmed as a non blocker and town hasnt claimed a block on sw

Fair enough.

Shit that’s a good point

UNVOTE:

[Pine]

VOTE: TSE

If RR has bulletproof, then we're on evens, which is a net positive. If RR lacks his BP, we know something there too. I'm giving you not venting FL. I am not laying my cards on the table any further. I don't make deals that limit my discretion often. TSE into RR is the play. We lynch on even days. If we hit 5 alive, we no lynch.

I have been very patient Oka. Some cards I cannot lay out. We are using TSE's venge today.

VOTE: TSE

Who should I vanilla cop?

[Pine]

Always pick the deepwolf first. They’re the only one who matters. Everything else is distraction and buffer

[Pine]

Shouldn’t there only be one scum left (other than Ali)?

[Pine]

Also, if it would help sort me, I also have the Ninja modifier for some damn reason, and we already have a Mafia Ninja flip

[Pine]

Idk, honestly I mostly just find it amusing that this game is me trying to get into the game to get enough townreads to solve when both scum are just the two slots I can't get a solid townread on at all

Then wtf is Ank talking about here

[Pine]

Also, if it would help sort me, I also have the Ninja modifier for some damn reason, and we already have a Mafia Ninja flip

Your role is really, really weird.

Also, isn’t it explicitly not normal for town to have ninja modifier?

We're not in a Normal game?

I'm pretty sure my role was designed to be a negative utility/red herring machine.

[Pine]

I think Ank is saying the two slots she can’t get a townread contains the final scum.

And fair enough, could just be a wording issue.

[Pine]

Pine you are on flavor verbally confirm

What the actual fuck does this mean

[Pine]

Also, if it would help sort me, I also have the Ninja modifier for some damn reason, and we already have a Mafia Ninja flip

Your role is really, really weird.

Also, isn’t it explicitly not normal for town to have ninja modifier?

We're not in a Normal game?

I'm pretty sure my role was designed to be a negative utility/red herring machine.

The rules state that all roles not named Ali or Titus conform to normal guidelines.

Oh, well, I missed that. Ninja is Normal for any alignment.

I'll vanilla cop FL, yeah.

[Pine]

the two slots I'm referring to is Pine + AF

AF already flipped scum?

Oh, that would actually explain it. AF and I were the only ones she couldn't get TRs on, ergo last two scum.

Nah, Ank, you've got a deepwolf girl

[Pine]

[Pine]

Flavor Leaf is vanilla

[Pine]

Boom. Pagetop headshot

[Pine]

Hey Ali

Who's your partner?

[Pine]

Nah. Play my game, Ali.

Who's your partner?

[Pine]

I think you're nervous that I can actually counter-WIFOM you and get an actionable interpretation.

Spill.

[Pine]

nah
im not sayin a word
its late game
its time to get serious

Yeah, definitely struck a nerve there.