Titus v. Alisae (endgame)

[Ankamius]

Hello everyone.

VOTE: Okapoka

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[Ankamius]

is this going to be one of those games

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[Ankamius]

shit Ank rolled scum

well this is gonna be a lot less fun now

-S

Oh no! =(

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[Ankamius]

Alyssa!
Would you like a clown nose?

ehhhhhhhhhh sure

why not

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[Ankamius]

Fun fact if I was Ali I would have picked Spif, FL, Ank, and Hectic.

Survivability?

E wouldn't pick people that'd die early on imo.

Incorrect.

Drafting me as scum while Krazy is in the game and not also scum is suicidal.

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[Ankamius]

is this normal???

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[Ankamius]

Sigh. Let me know when there's something worthwhile to read. Until then, I'm lurking this game out.

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[Ankamius]

Sigh. Let me know when there's something worthwhile to read. Until then, I'm lurking this game out.

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There's something worthwile to read!

like what

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[Ankamius]

Sigh. Let me know when there's something worthwhile to read. Until then, I'm lurking this game out.

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There's something worthwile to read!

like what

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my posts

my posts are really spicy

of course they're spicy, you're the one writing them ;)

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[Ankamius]

why is Ankamius signing her posts with her avatar
is this a mason memo i didn't get

I don't mean to cause confusion, I'm just here to have fun! =)

I hope you're having fun too!

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[Ankamius]

Hello Pine. I am not an ascetic.

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[Ankamius]

I would have claimed ascetic in my first post if I were ascetic

Therefore, I am not

Pine I am excited for you to try hard

Tell me who the scum are

I believe this post.

Current scumlist: Ankamius and Sherlock/Watson

Ank would have been VERY high on Ali's recruit list, probably #1

Ali never drafts FL or I

I am very confused why I would be very high on Alisae's recruit list. The only thing I can think of is to stop me from being town, but that's not exactly a hard thing to fix considering e can just nightkill me night one.

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[Ankamius]

Fun fact if I was Ali I would have picked Spif, FL, Ank, and Hectic.

Survivability?

E wouldn't pick people that'd die early on imo.

Incorrect.

Drafting me as scum while Krazy is in the game and not also scum is suicidal.

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How about us?

what?

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[Ankamius]

Hello everybody. Does anybody have an idea of where to start to get reads in this game?

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[Ankamius]

Titus: I haven't played in like 2 years, of the people in this game who I don't know, whose opinions should I respect even if they don't actually give me a logical reason for their position?

I don't trust anyone. Not even my hypothetical masons.

Look at motivations, not logic. I expect Ali to fuck with pure logic because that's where my VCA comes from?

No no no, this isn't a trust question, you know me, I'm paranoid as fuck.

This is a "I do not know the players in this game, so I do not know who I should respect the "gut" feelings of." type of question.

Same question really goes out to Ank and FL tbh, but they're not the IC. :P

-Cerb

Interesting.

The players I would put in this category are Dunnstral, Frozen Angel, Krazy, and Spiffeh. Those three players specifically I've seen can have pretty solid gutreads. Players like Amrun, MariaR, and Pine are players that I don't quite fit this category in that they tend to flesh out their reads more and rely less on gut, but otherwise there is functionally no difference between the two categories. There might be overlap if my read on how they play aren't accurate, but this should be mostly accurate.

The rest of the players either have less of a body of work I'm aware of or have played with them in, are much less consistent, are players I can't get a solid playstyle read on, or have been unproven to have that capability to my knowledge thus far. I will not be categorizing the rest of the players within these groups.

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[Ankamius]

I'm still combing through the thread atm, so I won't have a whole lot to go over atm

honestly though, I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in my reads

I'm not entirely here and I probably won't be until tomorrow

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[Ankamius]

I'd like to reiterate what I've seen in the thread so far a few times that I would rather the day not end quickly

I'd like the opportunity to work with Titus this game and it's a lot more likely to happen if I have enough time and room to do what I need to do to make that happen

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[Ankamius]

this game feels like it should be easy and that makes me wonder how much of it is manipulated

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[Ankamius]

this game feels like it should be easy and that makes me wonder how much of it is manipulated

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Can you tell me your list?

I also agree with Cerb.

Gobble, why are you voting Pine?

Unfortunately, I got sidetracked while going through a deeper dive earlier. I am only going by baseline gut feelings from the most recent posts.

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[Ankamius]

I have an announcement to make!

I have formally reached the 1/3 point in the thread for analysis mode! =)

Yay!

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[Ankamius]

I would have claimed ascetic in my first post if I were ascetic

Therefore, I am not

Pine I am excited for you to try hard

Tell me who the scum are

I believe this post.

Current scumlist: Ankamius and Sherlock/Watson

Ank would have been VERY high on Ali's recruit list, probably #1

Ali never drafts FL or I

ftr

I just hit this post and I'd like to reiterate that it's literally impossible for S+W and me to be the same alignment because the duck will always immediately draft the other when alisae drafts one of us (and even if SS did the draft, I imagine they mindmelded on this beforehand and this would likely come up with how high profile we are and his general familiarity with us)

we've hydra'd so many times this past year that we are very familiar with each other's town games and it's a huge risk of having whoever is scum in this duo be caught near immediately

something to keep in mind

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[Ankamius]

yup

I think blake bled into that post

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[Ankamius]

What about our read on your slot?

I don't understand. It's suicidal coming from Krazy specifically because he understands my towngame better than any other player on the site, via having something around eight hydra games with me over the past year. Because of this, he is by far the most likely to tell when I'm simply not town. On top of that, he's very unlikely to ever let that go if he realizes that I'm scum, and is going to be endlessly pushing for votes or to have me slip in ways that other people are more likely to pick up on.

I don't believe you either have that same level of proficiency at reading me, nor are that strong of a pressure point when you do scumread me. MariaR does become a pressure point when she is scumreading me, but I suspect she's not disproportionately more likely to be able to read me accurately than I am her, and I've stated multiple times in the past that I don't understand her playstyle enough to be able to tell the difference between alignments consistently.

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[Ankamius]

boonskiies, aka flavor leaf

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[Ankamius]

Spiffeh
Bitmap
TrueSoulEnergy
Maki and Kaito
Chemist1422
Amrun
Hectic
Espeonage
Flavor Leaf
gobbledygook
Sherlock and Watson
Frozen Angel
Pine
OkaPoka
Reasonably Rational
AaronFrost

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

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[Ankamius]

Hi Ank I saw earlier you were having trouble gathering reads. Is that still the case?

No, it is not.

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[Ankamius]

Oof sorry Titus. I'm an idiot sometimes. The word "draft" made me think that you had a priority order on the people you submitted. But obviously (now that you explained and I carefully read the 2nd post) if it were that way you would know if someone was scum because your preference draft on them failed. Plz disregard earlier derpness.

~D

Apology accepted. You'll still have to accept some side eye based on burden of proficiency though. You claimed you weren't a mason in the public thread after all, despite our years of playing together. ;) You also claimed not to read for detail. Again, that's not you like.

I'll need you to tell me who is scum.

~Titus

I agree with this. I also believe they are a high likelihood to be a snipe by Alisae due to their raw proficiency in setup information. Alisae knows going into this game that there's going to be several strong town players that are unavoidably going to be town, so it's reasonably rational to pick up a powerhouse in mechanics to help prevent a disadvantage from forming via mechanics as well.

Considering that Cerberus is provably competent at using mechanics to his advantage to set himself up as very likely town via those methods, I don't believe he would be afraid of an ascetic claim making him lynchable early on in the game.

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[Ankamius]

VC 1.2 Baker

Reasonably Rational(4) - Amrun, AaronFrost, gobbledygook, Ankamius
Sherlock and Watson(3) - Spiffeh, Bitmap, Pine
OkaPoka(1) - Hectic
Bitmap(1) - Sherlock and Watson
Pine(1) - Maki and Kaito, TSE
Spiffeh(1) - OkaPoka
TSE(1) - Espeonage


Not voting (4)- Flavor Leaf, Frozen Angel, Chemist1422, Reasonably Rational

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.


Titus endorses: Whoever you want
Alisae endorses: Bitmap

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-02-17 09:30:00)

Mod notes: Frozen Angel v/la until 10/02/2020

Please let me know if the red bothers you. That will not be factored into sorting your alignment.

the red doesn't bother me but it would make my job slightly harder coloring VCs later on if I decided I wanted to look at VCs for whatever reason

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[Ankamius]

I agree with this. I also believe they are a high likelihood to be a snipe by Alisae due to their raw proficiency in setup information. Alisae knows going into this game that there's going to be several strong town players that are unavoidably going to be town, so it's reasonably rational to pick up a powerhouse in mechanics to help prevent a disadvantage from forming via mechanics as well.

Considering that Cerberus is provably competent at using mechanics to his advantage to set himself up as very likely town via those methods, I don't believe he would be afraid of an ascetic claim making him lynchable early on in the game.

And you think Cerb filters Drixx posting because?

I don't understand what this is referring to.

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[Ankamius]

Cerb also indicated that there's a second part to his role

he's done this slow rolling as scum before, which is why I referenced that claiming ascetic doesn't necessarily become bad just because it doesn't look town; all that truly matters is that whether he is lynched before being able to execute whatever he has planned for the second part of his role

Drixx, idk, I have less direct experience playing with him and I don't even think I've ever seen him be indignant like that before; I don't think I'd be able to parse that properly by itself with where we're at right now

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[Ankamius]

Why? This argument already assumes he's scum.

I was responding to this bit.

You're starting that Cerb would use mechanics to set himself up as town. Ok, theory granted but ascetic doesn't make anyone look town.

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[Ankamius]

Is it urgent? I don't believe so.

Is it the best option of those I can see right now? Yes.

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[Ankamius]

Cerb also indicated that there's a second part to his role

he's done this slow rolling as scum before, which is why I referenced that claiming ascetic doesn't necessarily become bad just because it doesn't look town; all that truly matters is that whether he is lynched before being able to execute whatever he has planned for the second part of his role

Drixx, idk, I have less direct experience playing with him and I don't even think I've ever seen him be indignant like that before; I don't think I'd be able to parse that properly by itself with where we're at right now

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Point of order, and about all I'll do in the way of spending my limited time defending myself at this juncture: I never indicated there was anything more to my role; that was all Drixx. Which sure, given we're a hydra doesn't remove the possibility of such risk-benefit analysis and a larger plan being in the works, but it's just a thing you're saying that's provably wrong about me and I figure you should know it. <3

Now I'm off to breakfast, then class, then the mountains. I'll try to get some work done on the game so there's at least some benefit if you end up continuing down this path during my mostly absence, but no guarantees until like 14 hours from now.

-Cerb

oh, you're right

now I understand what titus was getting at

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[Ankamius]

Ank why is Spiffeh your highest townread?

I don't see his general mindset this game coming from scum.

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[Ankamius]

Ank why is Spiffeh your highest townread?

I don't see his general mindset this game coming from scum.

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Go on. I'm not a fan of his RR vote

Hello Titus! =)

The RR vote didn't strike me the same way. More words added to that post would help make it look better!

The naked vote by itself indicates less interest in looking town, which is indicative when you're in bussing territory on the wagon! =)

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[Ankamius]

which gimmick?

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[Ankamius]

why am I scum

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[Ankamius]

am I a

d e e p w o l f

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[Ankamius]

According to the wheel Pine, Ank, Amrun and Frozen Angel are apparently the scum team.
I’m curious to see if this is true.

I wouldn't be as lethargic as this if I had these scummates

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[Ankamius]

VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy

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[Ankamius]

krazy do you have a read on me yet

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[Ankamius]

rude

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[Ankamius]

=)

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[Ankamius]

Why am I scum, TSE?

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[Ankamius]

alisae I'm blaming you for this

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[Ankamius]

Okay.

First, how do you know I haven't?
Second, I'm still blaming you for this regardless of how rational or irrational it is.
Third, posting in this game on my phone is a pain in the ass.
Fourth, who's scum?
Fifth, have you found the masons yet?
Seventh, can you ask krazy in the scum pt to out his read on me already?
Sixteenth, can you look at the meme I just posted in the scum pt? I need feedback on whether I'm getting better at it or not.

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[Ankamius]

Sherlock, where is Watson?

Ank, who will become unavoidably town in this playerlist? Why?

Flavor Leaf, why do you not feel memorable?

TSE, give me another shot of the wheel.

Are you asking about unavoidably town via draft, or via play?

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[Ankamius]

Ank, you seem stilted.

stilted how

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[Ankamius]

What can I say? I'm just that kind of gal.

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[Ankamius]

@Ank - By play, no one can by draft. Who becomes unavoidably town by play?

@Watson/TSE, Ty

dunnstral townslips hard when he's town pretty often, at least he did so twice in recent memory (starry night and open 770)
krazy should, over time, be obviously town to me if he's town

I don't think anybody else can necessarily be expected to be ambiguously town by my metrics; the above two players I would call scum-indicative for not being obvtown in my eyes but everybody else it depends

if you do mean specifically this game without past experience, then we'll know hopefully after we get a solid towncore built up

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[Ankamius]

if I really think about it, I've had good gut reads on bitmap lately

do you think I should double check to see if he's worth locking in, Titus?

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[Ankamius]

lololol

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[Ankamius]

That sure is a wagon! =)

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[Ankamius]

heeeeeeeeey ank-channnnnnn <3

-s

hiiiiiiiiii

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[Ankamius]

ank-samaaaa

how 2 red bitmap?

-s

ez

bitmap ish town

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[Ankamius]

okie dokie

who do we nuke? boon or dunn?

-s

boon

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[Ankamius]

VOTE: booneytunez

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[Ankamius]

I'm not actually as mad at you as you think I am. I don't hold grudges for very long.

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[Ankamius]

Also, if Bitmap ends up being town, it’s 100% confirmed not garbage and was a next level accurate read.

that's not how it works!

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[Ankamius]

yeah only half the playerlist has said that by this point

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[Ankamius]

I'd be very shocked if FL's idea of the drafting strategy was even close to what Alisae actually did.

And keep in mind that I have very recent experience as scum with Alisae, so I likely have among the most relevant experience here with how e handles scumteams.

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[Ankamius]

you all are underestimating how beneficial slots with erratic voting patterns are this game as scum picks

and ftr boon, Alisae was captaining when we were scum together

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[Ankamius]

I also don’t think Alisae thinks high enough of their own scum game to warrant them not picking one of the players I put in the 4.

The fact Ankamius pushes the idea that none of those 4 could be picked is extremely interesting to me.

Does Alisae have access to the Mafia PT and can talk in it?
In that scenario, If I had picked with this player list, I think I would go...

One of Krazy hydra/Ankamius, but exactly one of them.
AaronFrost
Hectic
One of Gobbledygook/RR


I’m too lazy to check if it’s 4 or 5 scum, but I think this is a 21 player?

I'm going to drop the act for one post just to address this.

First, Alisae thinks highly enough of eir own scumgame.
Second, look at the playerlist.

Pine has a strong enough scumgame that he's hard to lock as town.
Maki and Kaito have strong enough scumgames that they're hard to lock as town.
Frozen Angel has a strong scumgame.
Reasonably Rational has two players that have provably strong scum performances in the past as well as not being the easiest to read as town.
Flavor Leaf has a strong scumgame and a reputable enough towngame to justify not being paranoia lynched for it on day one.
Spiffeh had provably strong towngames (former Paragon), but he has played a lot less here lately.
Amrun had strong towngames and scumgames back before she quit the site originally, but has played less lately.
Krazy and PenguinPower have put up above average performances as both alignments.
I'm a slot that has had strong towngames and scumgames recently, and the general read rate of a lot of players on the site in either direction is on the low end.

Most of the other slots either are less difficult to lynch, have strong enough scumgames without the extra reputative clout, or are unknown enough to be wildcards.

It doesn't exactly take a whole lot to disrupt the potential strength of this town and its ability to work together, so I expect Alisae to predominantly look to disrupt potential townblocks from forming as well as disrupting Titus herself. So, I find it most likely that Alisae planned the following:

1. Decided who would be most disruptive when drafted as scum.
2. Decided, through #1 as well as game strategy and PR picks, who to focus on disrupting.
3. Decided, through who #2 does not disrupt, who are priority kills.

And then watch the chaos.

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[Ankamius]

you all are underestimating how beneficial slots with erratic voting patterns are this game as scum picks

and ftr boon, Alisae was captaining when we were scum together

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I would expect some erratic vote patterns this game, but that's to be tabled day 1.

Do you feel your wagon is town driven or scum driven?

scum are in the sheep if anywhere

ftr I'm starting what is very likely a 7+ day workweek so keep that in mind

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[Ankamius]

I'd have to double check the votes themselves

That will take me a while since I'm not at a comp for a while

Chill on the momentum enough that this doesn't go through within the next 24 hours at least please

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[Ankamius]

Espe you are qt

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[Ankamius]

I used to have a steam controller.

My dongle broke

FL you should probably see a doctor for that

[Ankamius]

Oh no D:

No modkill pleeeeeeeease ;_;

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[Ankamius]

why am I suddenly not scum

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[Ankamius]

I don't get those references either

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[Ankamius]

probably

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[Ankamius]

Titus, have you gotten what you needed from this wagon yet?

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[Ankamius]

I am aware, Spiffeh.

I'm attempting to gauge how much room I have.

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[Ankamius]

Sigh.

Fine, I'll go into what I'm trying to do here. Give me some time to get home first. I didn't expect a full wagon to suddenly pop up.


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[Ankamius]

I am aware, Spiffeh.

I'm attempting to gauge how much room I have.

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Look, if you're town, obvtown. You should know by now that thinking about how you feel comes off worse than falling flat on your face. I didn't directly say so in the beginning but I explicitly said out there reads are a-ok.

k

the fundamental thing is that my stated reads list was literally RNGed.

I'm purposely playing obtusely because what I posted earlier as Alisae's draft and play strategy is exactly what I would expect from em in this type of game, one with a lot of stronger town players with just as much paranoia potential. What I would do is plan around trying to maximize the paranoia and proactively shutting down as many avenues of town being able to properly find each other as possible, hence why I expect the general idea is that Alisae separated the playerlist into "Drafted", "Killed", and "Neutralized" lists.

I know that I wasn't picked to be scum, so I obviously wasn't put into that list. The interesting thing is that I can be put into either of the other two lists, since I both know that Alisae has the awareness of my threat level to want to have me killed in a lot of scenarios, and also know that e is aware that I have exploitable weaknesses (via my breakdowns in the YAYVIDEOGAMES hydra) that would push me into the "Neutralize" camp.

my hope was that I would be a general null scumread floating along on day one without giving away too many of my thoughts so that it would be all that more weird in the case I get nightkilled on N1 (since I'd expect that Alisae would already have a good idea of his first 2-3 kills in most scenarios)... which gives town some interesting information considering that I'm not a popular townread. Plus, in the case that I'm on the fence between the kill and neutralize list, or there are other players in the kill list that are higher priority right away, I'd get more content to work with and a nightkill that would help me narrow down what Alisae was thinking with eir draft order and general angle they're playing the game with.

buuuuuuut I was pressured several times into giving reads, so I'd hoped that the reads list I put out looked bad enough to get scrutiny I could analyze as well as stop me from being townread enough to be an obvious nightkill going into night one. I died night one in AvP and I can't be satisfied with my performance in that game, so it would be kinda nice to be able to play the mindgames with the scum treestump that I wasn't able to do in the last one. I wanted to get enough wiggle room to hopefully make an actual impact in the game before my inevitable death and now I'm not sure it's particularly avoidable anymore honestly

if it helps though, I have four slots I'm pretty certaint are town and four slots I'm scumreading. There's one slot I'm a lot more certain on than others, but I'm avoiding outing it at the moment because I haven't entirely ruled out them being a mason yet.

I'm not outing my reads at this point because I still see more value in watching the game unfold as an observer rather than an active participant.

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[Ankamius]

that's a balancing act I wish I could do but it never works sadly

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[Ankamius]

Ank, say your definitive scumread and why please. If they are a mason, then I'll protect them. I don't believe any reasonable player has a lead on my masons (no pun intended). If a mason does wind up getting wagoned, I'll cancel the wagon forcefully. So please don't attempt to use mason hunting as an excuse. If a slot is a vigilante, be damn sure you're not shooting a mason but beyond that... leave it to me.

I don't like your excuses not to give reads. I'm not a fan. Your rationale could apply to anyone. I get playing some cards close to the chest, so I only asked for one. If you're right, maybe we'll get a counter going.

VOTE: Hectic

[Ankamius]

@Ank:

I know you're voting for Boons but can you explain more about why he's scummy? I'll admit I'm mostly using game spec to conclude that Boons is probably town but I thought his catch up was pretty good.

that vote was a meme

[Ankamius]

my notes are very incomplete so I'll need a bit to double check

[Ankamius]

how common is asceticism?

the biggest thing that can probably get the point that I find his entire approach to the game very bizarre is this post.

Namely, look at that entire page and try to figure out where exactly this post came from.

As an addition, what I really don't like is that most of his ISO is shitposting and memes, and his content posts look like this:

why don't you be the change you want to see Ank?
give us something worthwhile

Reasonably rational town
don't really get what's going on with Espeonage/Pine

agree with Pine and FL
why is Espeonage announcing himself as the strongest town PR in the game?

@Titus: WHY ARE YOU STILL TALKING ABOUT MASONS????????

Titus stop.

over reaction
she was explaining how drafting works without listing any names
please enter the FoS (Field of Suspects)

isn't TSE being TOO dumb this game?
also for the record
Aaron Fucking Frost is town

Spoiler: Mason Eyes Only

What do you think of GG? Of the currently active posters he's the only one I'd consider for recruitment. What do you think?

-S

Spoiler: Masonry message

let's have a look through their ISO
the entrance calling Pine scum because town!Pine wouldn't claim. towny.
spammed a few too many questions without giving material. scummish.
trash talking Ali. townary?
refusing to claim ascetic without good reason. towning.
trying to solve TSE rather than deafult him as village idiot. town.
RR read is eh. meh.
reasons for killing Pine in 1031. town AFF.
1080 is odd, hope there's a reason for it. scummo.

they're townishread won't strongly advocate but won't veto either.
AFF you should chip in.

I'm not seeing consistent thought processes in any of his posts, which is rather interesting for somebody who has been engaged as heavily into the game as Hectic and with the amount of general 'content' he's posted in the game. I saw significantly more in the last time I've seen him in a game.

To make it worse, there actually is a thought process in his ISO, but, well, the process behind these posts are unnatural.

Does Alisae have access to the Mafia PT and can talk in it?

I'm like ready to town boon but I actually feel really surprised this is a question he is asking, almost too much?

idk maybe not

-S

My dumbness as scum comes off a lot more genuine than it does when I’m town.

Antihero commented one a dead thread once “if Boon is scum, that’s the best fake confusion I’ve ever seen”

When I’m town being dumb, I’m being a derp.

ScumDerp is like when I slip, but I cleverly figure out a way against it.

The masonry is outed?

this post following the first one is hilarious
Leafy's feeling obvtown
with the mason bloc slipping
and the "too lazy to go and check but it should be 4 or 5 scum this game"

Leafy, your logic for TSE regarding drafting is:
-Last person Ali would pick
-Therefore, raises his chance of being picked
-Which lowers the chance of him being picked
-Which puts him middle of the pack for picks

Your logic for yourself:
-Ali would never pick me
-Therefore, Ali would never pick me

why the difference?

Aaron and Hectic were lean towns for me from my read through, I commented on my AF read, so that’s good that my gut was right with them.

Pine being a mason actually helps a lot, and lowers a heavy pick.

hmmmmmmmmmm

I claim masons and Boon does not get the joke

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

HMMMMMMMM

hmmmm

nah not gonna think more about it right now

-S

I thought you said Hectic, Pine, AF were masons in your one post, so i thought you were just trollin

here Leafy thinks Sherlock's hmmming is regarding Sherlock himself claiming mason
still thinks Hectic AaronFF Pine are masons
that's some advanced confusion if scum

I didn't spoiler the above because somehow it ate my post when I tried last time. Sorry.

Anyways, I don't find it to be very natural to call a slot obvtown, then to ask them a question that normally would be used for sorting, and then to explain the read afterwards.

I also don't feel like the interaction with Spiffeh shortly afterwards was for any reason other than to force a random read on them either. It's so stilted of an engagement that it's hard to see it as genuine.

[Ankamius]

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[Ankamius]

ngl krazy, I think your reads are below average

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[Ankamius]

"feeling obvtown" is very different from "obvtown" and actually it makes a lot of sense to ask a question to solidify the "obvtown" feeling

-S

The Spiffeh questions are to double-check that there's no actually good arguments against my inclusion in his PoF

His process looks really townie and intuitive to me, sorry Ank but I think you're barking up the wrong tree personally

-S

are we even reading the same game?

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[Ankamius]

Very well. I will return to observing in the meantime.

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[Ankamius]

it's possible yeah

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[Ankamius]

I don't see a clown nose avi, Alisae.

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[Ankamius]

The RR scumread and vote were fake.

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[Ankamius]

I can't handle the hydra thing anymore

So much extra work zzz

[Ankamius]

I don't like any of these wagons

Back later

[Ankamius]

Not Kaito

[Ankamius]

Not kaito for thought process or tone?

-s

Not Kaito for Kaito

[Ankamius]

That was the consolation prize

The point was to not get killed

[Ankamius]

It was made up

[Ankamius]

It comes down to how horny he really is for his own self importance that he would actually ignore the basics of the game, which I think is in his personality range.

✔️

[Ankamius]

Ank will you ever read me like you read Kaito?

-S

???

where is this post coming from

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Sherlock and Watson

[Ankamius]

Titus, I'm giving you a freebie.

This is Dunnstral's obvtown game.

[Ankamius]

You're not stupid enough to believe that.

[Ankamius]

I will return when the clown brigade is done spamming.

[Ankamius]

RR is also ascetic

[Ankamius]

Yeah the solving in that game is waaaaaaaaay better than this game, it's night and day dude

Bitmap wanna play a game? Read 38 posts of starry night and tell me who dunn townreads. Now read his iso this this game and tell me who he townreads.

He's not solving this game basically at all lol. If you compare to starry night it could not be more different

-s

this is a really bad exercise

[Ankamius]

keep in mind that starry night had a focus on finding town

this game doesn't have a focus on finding town

dunn is focusing on finding scum instead of finding town

suddenly it doesn't matter if he isn't going into townreads!

[Ankamius]

bitmap I will give you all my reads if you neighborize me

[Ankamius]

You obviously

[Ankamius]

My vote is p righteous

[Ankamius]

This isn't town Krazy.

[Ankamius]

If I absolutely have to, I will vote gobble. I'd prefer this slot tho

[Ankamius]

funny thing

now that I think about it, it's entirely possible he's just being a massive troll with everything he's doing

and if that's the case, then frankly I'm good with just chainlynching the trolls

[Ankamius]

yeah now that I think about it, scum!krazy tries harder to make sense

VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy

[Ankamius]

thanks

I'm getting less interested in hunting at all by the post

[Ankamius]

I'm not lynching town

sorry

[Ankamius]

especially town that is bringing some much needed seriousness to this game

[Ankamius]

especially town that is bringing some much needed seriousness to this game

What did you think you were getting in a game where Alisae is a scum treestump? LOL

like this is why I think Kaito is scum, does he think I approach this game from the perspective "oh no, not gonna shitpost?" like REALLY???

-S

I don't see why that's a thought process that would be weird for him

[Ankamius]

Also Ank, word to the wise, if you want to talk down about seriousness, maybe don't open with a readslist based on random.org?

JUST SAYIN' :P You might have a bit more cred here if you weren't playing to deliberately obstruct cohesive reads of your alignment :3

-S

it's posts like this that make me want to flashlynch the fuck out of you

this is exactly how you treat me as scum.

[Ankamius]

what makes you think I was referring to you insulting my ability to read you?

[Ankamius]

gay dance???

[Ankamius]

and yes, I did RNG my public reads specifically to bait a general sense of "oh this isn't quite right" and to see what kind of reactions I'd get

I didn't expect a 5-person wagon to sprout up almost instantly with the fucking town stump egging it on and basically destroying any chance of me skating by without playing more of my cards than I ever wanted to on day one

if I'm going to get lynched for that, then whatever, it happens and fuck me for trying to increase my odds of being able to play more than a single day of one of these games I guess

[Ankamius]

that sounds angry

I'm not actually angry

[Ankamius]

my towncase for dunn is how are you even scumreading him???

[Ankamius]

Ank you're not getting lynched today, calm down bejeebus

If you wanna fight me on Dunn you're going to need a helluva better towncase though

-S

pedit: yes it did but I'm posting this anyway even though maybe it's pointless

idk dude

I'm at the verge of throwing the reads in my PT out for no other reason than there's too much shitposting today to make hunting a worthwhile activity

[Ankamius]

how is it even possible to have most of this game as hard town

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE:

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Sherlock and Watson

I'm just going to park here

see you d2

[Ankamius]

Amrun where are your reads even at atm

[Ankamius]

Quite interesting how Hectics demeanor changed and suddenly hes nowhere to be seen

Quite curious

[Ankamius]

Where were they posted

[Ankamius]

:wink: Throughout my ISO. I haven’t yet posted a reads list, not even an RNG one like yours.

I am still missing about 30 pages of content so I’ve been holding for that. But I’m still pretty clear on some major reads so I’m not sure at all why you act as if I don’t have any?

I don't like to iso for reads because people's thoughts change over time

Plus it's easier to engage in real time when I know what's on people's mind at that moment

[Ankamius]

Quite interesting how Hectics demeanor changed and suddenly hes nowhere to be seen

Quite curious

oh hey Ank
i like your other pfp better

Idk if this was snarky or not but I actually appreciate that you like my character more than fanart of a random one I found

[Ankamius]

Quite interesting how Hectics demeanor changed and suddenly hes nowhere to be seen

Quite curious

oh hey Ank
i like your other pfp better

Idk if this was snarky or not but I actually appreciate that you like my character more than fanart of a random one I found

wasn't snarky
character from what?

Ff14

[Ankamius]

Spiffeh what's your read on sherlock

[Ankamius]

Yay I like neighborhoods!

[Ankamius]

so Sherlock does feel a little off this game
mostly in tone more than anything
and i don't like how he's deflecting Ank's scumread on him like here:

Ank is voting me because she's frustrated that I'm continuing to push Dunn despite her townread on him and the vote is her way of letting me know

That or she believes I'm scummy but I think it's the first one :3

-S

how confident are you on Ank!town Sherlock?

I'm sort of in agreement about Sherlock here. I need to reread them, but I don't think their engagement with Ank has been in good faith.

I'm sort of with you on the mindmelding portion, but after their interactions with me wrt the Maki & Kaito read, I'm starting to feel like I've been pocketed by them.

Like 2274 especially where he's like, overly praising my rebuttal even though I basically rephrased what Ank said about Kaito reads super fake IMO.

They also claimed something weird but I can't remember what they claimed.

This is part of it!

[Ankamius]

Hey krazy

Why are you holding me at a distance like this?

[Ankamius]

Hey krazy

Why are you holding me at a distance like this?

Also I began the game like, deliberately trying to break you away from the thing where you always demand a read on you immediately because even though I often become certain of my read on you it is disruptive to my process to be forced to start there. That and since I had planned to be roleplaying a bit (kinda dropped it tho tbh) I imagined you were going to have a fucked up read of me at the start. Now that you've decided to townread Dunn for shitty reasons though I feel like I'm just running into classic Ank obstinance and if I make clear the extent of my townread on you you'll be even more disruptive to lynching scum day 1 :P

-S

Ok, so I was right that you're treating me like town.

I don't know what exactly you expect me to do when you just shut down any engagement and try to overpower me when I challenge you, and it doesn't sit right when you go out of your way to specifically shut that path down before I even interact with you along that same track of thought.

I'm headstrong and it bugs me that you're not realizing that when I comment saying that I'm townreading your scumread, it's a lot harder for me to take the engagement seriously when you immediately try to shut it down and railroad me along a question line that doesn't pertain to how I read that slot in the first place.

No shit I'm going to be obstinate.

[Ankamius]

I think I'm going to start actually reading on d2

My mindspace is fucked

[Ankamius]

FL

Why

Just why

[Ankamius]

I don't understand why you feel the need to make posts that are absolutely meaningless to everybody

You're really not helping the game be any more readable

[Ankamius]

I don't understand why you feel the need to make posts that are absolutely meaningless to everybody

You're really not helping the game be any more readable

Oh, it will...it will, shark bait hoo ha haw.

I've never seen this but I've seen you make games unreadable just as often now as you did like 3 years ago

[Ankamius]

do I even want to try to figure out what that even means

[Ankamius]

As tempting as that is, I annoyingly caught something that is like... highly town indicative

I'm not going to go into it because it reveals more than I want to go into, but I think he's just town and we need to just suck it up and hope it doesn't become something we regret

[Ankamius]

But I’m the one making this 100 page game unreadable even though this day phase should have ended prior to me even starting to play this game :roll:

Jfc dude I just want you to chill with the self meta

Even worst case scenario I get the impression your early game reads would improve if you learned to weaponize what you always claim instead of just saying it

[Ankamius]

VOTE: TSE

[Ankamius]

I need alcohol for this game

[Ankamius]

here's an idea

lets lynch not either of them!

[Ankamius]

Ank walk me through Oka town?

-S

As tempting as that is, I annoyingly caught something that is like... highly town indicative

I'm not going to go into it because it reveals more than I want to go into, but I think he's just town and we need to just suck it up and hope it doesn't become something we regret

same applies

[Ankamius]

here's an idea

lets lynch not either of them!

great idea
who do you propose?
is it Spiffeh?

idfk

gun to head I'd say gobble but I'm not exactly enthused by that one either

[Ankamius]

amrun

I'll iso her quick

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Amrun

I'm actually okay with wagoning her

[Ankamius]

here's an idea

lets lynch not either of them!

great idea
who do you propose?
is it Spiffeh?

idfk

gun to head I'd say gobble but I'm not exactly enthused by that one either

You have been holding onto this nagging scumread of me. Please substantiate it.

this is news to me

[Ankamius]

I think hell would freeze over before FL and I ever agree on a lynch target

[Ankamius]

I'm going to lose brain cells if this isn't a joke

[Ankamius]

yeah about that...
you should see how much Titus is flaming Leafy

LOL

fucking FL

[Ankamius]

Spoiler:

free drinks to whoever wants to go drinking with me and roll the roulette of figuring out at the same time as me how I act while drunk

[Ankamius]

amrun's locked in

see you all tomorrow

[Ankamius]

I have a hood with Ank.

Also,
VOTE: oka

Confirmed

[Ankamius]

I don't want a flash lynch so I'll wait on voting

[Ankamius]

Ank needs to be heavily reevaluated
i still don't understand the logic behind posting a completely RNGed reads list because she "doesn't want to give real reads and hoped that would satisfy people" (paraphrasing) but then doesn't expect people to question and ask specifics about her completely RNGed list, which would mean she would have to BS explanations.
think it's more likely it's a dumb gambit and scum!her expected to reveal it was a RNG list soon after posting it

Meanie

[Ankamius]

Hey cerb does anything strike you about the claims?

[Ankamius]

VOTE: AaronFrost

[Ankamius]

Another JoaT with rolecop

:thonk:

[Ankamius]

hey I don't remember signing an exclusivity contract

I demand my rights

[Ankamius]

why are we gladiating my neighbor

[Ankamius]

also can we not speed through day pls

[Ankamius]

Today is already proving to be a lot more readable than yesterday

[Ankamius]

yeeeeeeees sheeeeeeep meeeeeeeee

[Ankamius]

I wiped on a leveling dungeon

I'm bad

[Ankamius]

you're either 0/3 or 1/3

not very good options FL

[Ankamius]

imagine referencing posts from like 80 pages ago

[Ankamius]

lolllll

good luck ever catching scum!me then FL

[Ankamius]

that's not catching scum!me, that's getting lucky

[Ankamius]

we could flashlynch FL for lulz

[Ankamius]

Ank, when do you rise to the level of good scum hunter that I’ve heard so much about but have not witnessed with my own two eyes

because catching scum isn't my strongest point

it's catching town

[Ankamius]

ftr I think insomnia is town

[Ankamius]

Ank, when do you rise to the level of good scum hunter that I’ve heard so much about but have not witnessed with my own two eyes

because catching scum isn't my strongest point

it's catching town

Do you still scumread me?

my reads reset after d1

[Ankamius]

insomnia/bitmap are probably town slots

[Ankamius]

bitmap because of how he's posting in the neighborhood

insomnia because I'm getting flashes of recent town insomnia

[Ankamius]

both are my weaker townreads but it's enough I'd rather not have either of them die atm

[Ankamius]

uhhhhh

I don't have 5 locktown reads at this point, I'd have to double check why I was townreading who I was townreading when I went through the thread initially (up to p36)

I threw out all my d1 reads due to one of my stronger townreads flipping scum but I think there might be some stuff to salvage from them

[Ankamius]

(I'm not posting that full reads list anywhere btw, it doesn't try to adjust for mason reads)

[Ankamius]

I'm hard-vetoing an insomnia lynch for d2

[Ankamius]

so what I'm getting from this game is that I'm going to have to do a messy 1v1 with krazy to get anywhere in this game and idk if I feel like doing that

[Ankamius]

I'm hard-vetoing an insomnia lynch for d2

I know, you and Boon both

You two are gonna make me work for it

I wish I could say I'm looking forward to it but I'm trying to decide if I'll be able to be assed to push it through before marathon weekend is over so I guess you have a few days to fish for the other two scum

-S

[Ankamius]

oh you asked why, somehow I missed that

it's because this game is messy for me atm and I want to be able to get to a point where I can have a grasp on the game

and having an insomnia lynch is going to fuck with that enough where my main utility to the game is probably just going to end up just... eating a nightkill unless we get to like... day five

at that point I'd rather just play in my neighborhood and mostly ignore posting in the main thread for my own sanity

[Ankamius]

Ank: I need a list of 5 slots in this game that are 100% town to you, with reasons why. I agree that you're especially strong at identifying town, so go do it.

Hectic - I honestly don't see any universe where Hectic decides to fakeclaim what is essentially the same role as his recently deceased scumpartner... to do a gambit on a low quality mislynch that has an extreme amount of potential to backfire when he's already in a good spot in the game while the scumteam are already behind on people. This entire play just doesn't make any sense and I don't understand why Alisae would ever greenlight this and/or not have a general plan that the scumteam would agree with and abide by. None of it makes any sense, and his other content this day phase also needs tinfoil to pin down as coming from scum. There's way too many assumptions you have to make to reach him being scum and I simply don't see them ALL being true (or at least if they are, then it always gets found out before endgame and unravels the entire scumteam).

OkaPoka - I don't see: A) Alisae drafting a mafia goon unless it directly benefits one or both of the rules he put into the setup. B) OkaPoka responding to the Gunsmith claim with a VT counterclaim followed by a self-vote unless he's scum with Hectic (which by the way, I have to bend my mind pretty hard to see why he would just call me out like that when a PLAYER KNOWN FOR HAVING HIGH BOP ON ME has called me locktown... unless they're both scum together). C) OkaPoka specifically saying not to lynch Hectic after him... unless they're scum together, which runs into the same point above.

tl;dr: I don't see either of the above being scum unless the scumteam is EXACTLY Sherlock + Watson, Hectic, and OkaPoka. The loops you have to go through to justify any of this shit today for gains that are extremely low is too high to work, requires a lot of coordination and teamwork to pull off, and is not something I can see Alisae micromanaging to get it to work. It's fundamentally insane.

Sherlock and Watson - I think it's only possible for this slot to be scum if the Maki/Kaito lynch was a planned bus, and that's hard to believe where I'm standing right now. This read expires on day 4, so he's on the table for a lynch if he's still alive and I haven't given an updated read yet.

Flavor Leaf - He stumbled over a tell I find town indicative that I don't expect anybody would be convinced by. I don't feel like he's the kind of person to shade the d1 scumlynch like he did, followed by actually pushing that and then blatantly taking credit for it and blustering about his reads, followed... by nothing. He's not making any real pushes right now and I feel like he'd be pressing the momentum if he was scum. Shrug. Partially I just don't want to have to bother reading him so I'm just writing him off as town so I can avoid getting a migraine this game.

that's the best I have atm, I have a few townleans beyond that but none I would say are expressly 'under my protection' except for insomnia

[Ankamius]

ftr I'm townreading insomnia for sync mainly; it's a lazy read but one that I'm willing to stand by until I am reasonably sure whether I'm on the right track or not

it's more likely that we independently came to similar conclusions than I'm just lolwrong for the second time and he happens to be pushing along the same track. This generally happens when I have more sway in the thread and I blatantly didn't when he started pushing those slots.

[Ankamius]

I'm hard-vetoing an insomnia lynch for d2

Why should we care what you think when you did this with a scum JoAT?

you're welcome to lynch him anyways

I just won't be willing to try to work with the rest of the town later on if you do

[Ankamius]

oh you asked why, somehow I missed that

it's because this game is messy for me atm and I want to be able to get to a point where I can have a grasp on the game

and having an insomnia lynch is going to fuck with that enough where my main utility to the game is probably just going to end up just... eating a nightkill unless we get to like... day five

at that point I'd rather just play in my neighborhood and mostly ignore posting in the main thread for my own sanity

ftr I'm townreading insomnia for sync mainly; it's a lazy read but one that I'm willing to stand by until I am reasonably sure whether I'm on the right track or not

it's more likely that we independently came to similar conclusions than I'm just lolwrong for the second time and he happens to be pushing along the same track. This generally happens when I have more sway in the thread and I blatantly didn't when he started pushing those slots.

here you go

if this isn't enough then lynch him anyways

[Ankamius]

aaron's the type of player that can make posts look town as scum

I can tell just by seeing how he structures his posts

[Ankamius]

Aaron self admits he is bad as scum

that doesn't necessarily mean it isn't true

[Ankamius]

my neighborhood with bitmap is not even a full page long

and most of the posts are mine

[Ankamius]

oh I actually did say that

I completely forgot about it since that was before the big maki/kaito 1v1 thing

[Ankamius]

I mean, with RR, there's a general theme of not attempting to solve anyone and focusing on mechanical stuff. The only thing he spooled out was his Pine read which is more theory than actual solving.

Also, his questions aren't really helping him solve anyone.

he's also almost restricting himself from engaging other slots than he already knows which I currently read as a pretext for not spewing anyone else and keeping a narrowed focus.

the fact that he's doing this wouldn't be bothersome in and of itself, but he isn't even trying to sort those people (ank, FL, etc)

he's so reluctant on FL that at this point it's like he's attempting to fake solving and thinking about stuff on purpose and not just it being a lengthy process to finding FL's alignment out. like, even when I tackled him, he just went on that train of thought and didn't choose anything else out of FL's iso to sort.

meeeeh. i believe he believes in his pine read but i don't believe he's town for it.

RR are two mechanical players, focusing most of their time and energy on mechanical stuff is NAI for them

[Ankamius]

Cmon cerb :P

[Ankamius]

I really doubt Alisae did any rules that specific

[Ankamius]

I really doubt Alisae did any rules that specific

Anything you'd like to say about this Alisae?

[Ankamius]

Ok that fits my theory

Nice

[Ankamius]

I see a lot of shade on me while I was asleep

I'm very disappointed

[Ankamius]

AaronFrost wagon is all town

back later

[Ankamius]

the scumgame I actually won don corleone in in 2017 I won with MathBlade on my team.
i mean ofc I solo carried that game because I used to be good at mafia, but they were still on it and played their part perfectly

Oh hey I was in that game briefly

[Ankamius]

I'm going with a hard no on this exercise