Titus v. Alisae (endgame)

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Can I get an Alisae smells from everyone here?

I'll go first

Alisae smells

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ascetic scum claim tbh

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I have a gut feel that this is gonna be one of those games where I don’t actually do that much solving D1 but still get top townread for tone

gut tr post

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Mods, can I target Alisae with a night action?

No. Not a mod but we cannot be targeted.

r u sure because that makes my parity cop a lot weaker

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Hectic really gunning to be the designated lylo lynch

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Hectic really gunning to be the designated lylo lynch

jokes on you i die before lylo

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Hectic really gunning to be the designated lylo lynch

jokes on you i die before lylo

u win this time alisae

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how does parity cop even interact with ascetic

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VOTE: Reasonably Rational

Lets gooo

wow i really agree with the sentiments provided in this statement


VOTE: reasonably rational

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

Lets gooo

wow i really agree with the sentiments provided in this statement


VOTE: reasonably rational

go chicken little go!

trump-esque

[OkaPoka]

Two people already claimed ascetic?

Okay in that case

Hardclaim town commuter

we're x-shot, not gonna say how many shots tho

-Sherlock

which one is sherlock and which one is watson

[OkaPoka]

did titus just pick the hydra heads l o l

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Titus: I haven't played in like 2 years, of the people in this game who I don't know, whose opinions should I respect even if they don't actually give me a logical reason for their position?

I don't trust anyone. Not even my hypothetical masons.

Look at motivations, not logic. I expect Ali to fuck with pure logic because that's where my VCA comes from?

unfortunate i guess we have to put away your vca for this game

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This is a "I do not know the players in this game, so I do not know who I should respect the "gut" feelings of." type of question.

Since when do I trust gut players? But to not be a dick, players loosely divide into logic or emotion based players. Most here are logic based but a few notable one like FA are emotion based. I think everyone in this game is awesome. That's how it works with the Wisdom of the Treestumps. I'm not trying to be difficult.

out of curiosity which do I fit into

I'll demonstrate it.

Someone of an unknown alignment is confirmed to have a dayvig. They threaten to shoot you. What's your first response?

Same for you Amrun.

"you realize this is grey flag nightless right?"

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Anyone else see mafia games 2

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Tse this would be funny/ok if you were an established upstanding citizen that people trust but nobody does

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"Died" with twelve pages in the first 18 hours or so...what the hell is this

U can super speed skim if ur catching up

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Not ascetic

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Just be big brain and play this mountainous

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Just be big brain and play this mountainous

https://voca.ro/1ZkRqZEsZFJ

LOL

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Subject: EISAL v2 [21/21]

Regarding TSE's WOTM:

tl;dr - TSE is known to be toxic, and has been banned twice in the span of three weeks. I do not feel comfortable adding them to this game, especially when I am trying my hardest to ensure this doesn't become a re-run of EISAL v1. Although the playerbase wasn't toxic in that, the game itself was very poor overall, and I'm looking to change that this iteration. This game is meant to be very lighthearted and along the lines of outguess/out-shitpost the mod—and to allow me to really not have to moderate, except when I absolutely have to—and I don't feel TSE's personality meshes well with that. Not to mention I have gotten a few complaints about them joining.

Longer version one day... maybe.

That’s fine.
Although I’m not that much of an egotistical douchebag like I use to be.
I’ve decided to play more as a team.
So I’ll solve as a group then a 1 slot team that thinks he can single handily win the game but with realism realizes that OH WOW this is a majority game, I need to play as a team.
Don’t worry I’m not toxic anymore.

btw

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: gobbledy

algorithms

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VOTE: gobbledy

algorithms

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VOTE: aaronfrost

Using mech reasons to vote this early is kinda dodgy

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VOTE: aaronfrost

Using mech reasons to vote this early is kinda dodgy

I don't have solid enough reads to vote based off of non-mechanical reasons. I don't trust my D1 reads anyways.

bad post

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Share those notes hectic

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Uh oh hectic is scum

[OkaPoka]

Ur being too normal but ok that's a weirdly self aware comment

[OkaPoka]

huh
that is not the reason i was expecting

You were expecting me to sr you because of you townreading people you scumread etc?

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I mean hectic every game you've played you've had some sort of gimmick to push the envelope of the game along esp at the start

but this game you seem to be cognizant of your reads positionally which is just weird esp this early on in the game with literally zero reasons to go back and start from the beginning to see where the pieces fall

just dropping gutreads like you are doing is textbook ms play

[OkaPoka]

ive only rolled scum against chemist, flavor, pp, bitmap, dunn/maria in this plist so its best to start from there

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oh ank and

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The ones ive played with you

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Yes

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ive only rolled scum against chemist, flavor, pp, bitmap, dunn/maria in this plist so its best to start from there

I caught you, right?

That was my pool solve game, and I hard mislynched Penguin?

yes

Regarding hectic: so is you dropping reads like this carefree and being cognizant of placements at the start of d1 a norm?

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FoS (Field of Suspects):
Bitmap
OkaPoka
TSE

PoF (Pasture of Friends):
Sherlock
AaronFF
Pine
Reasonable Rational

if ur bored hectic could you fact check if these pasture of friends are scumreading you because i haven't even bothered researching that

[OkaPoka]

Dont really have anything significant other than espe is probably town?

[OkaPoka]

Not going to sell you on espe town when my reasons for tring him assume a trajectory if future play that hasnt happened

[OkaPoka]

Mmk

How you feel about chemist and m+k?

-s

im just going to let you know ahead of time that my readslist is entirely meaningless right now

however since you asked

chemist reads dne

i just dont like the style of mk posts in general

[OkaPoka]

as for alignment stance wise since you are probs interested in that

i have somewhat legitimate reasons personally maybe not to other people to sr

aaronfrost, gobble, hectic in that order

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as for alignment stance wise since you are probs interested in that

i have somewhat legitimate reasons personally maybe not to other people to sr

aaronfrost, gobble, hectic in that order

feel pretty good with my solves for H+A as town

can you go into your ~reasons~ for gobble sr? don't have to make sense if it's hard to explain but just so I know ballpark what we're talking about

-S

eli tell xd

[OkaPoka]

Oka
what's wrong with AFF?
i think the way he used the mech stuff is genuine

mech voting in semi rvs is unproductive

its like there is a need for a bit of a push for the game to get roaring and saying i have bad reads im going to surrender myself to boring and not arguable reasons is a good way to not get looked at in the formative stages of the game

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eli tell xd

like, a reverse ellitell? I feel like he's almost more active here than elsewhere?

-S

i used elitell when i did my "algorithms" post but in truth it was applicable a lot earlier its just i was doing a casual check up on every slot

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i have some other reasons to connect the elitell but i talking about site activity is a good way to get warned

maybe if im very much pushed i could give a general unrelated presentation on my opinions on scumplay with regards to posting and thing

[OkaPoka]

change your avatar to a cute anime girl and everyone will think you are funny, charismatic etc

[OkaPoka]

I think that the Ali pick statement is WIFOM but while we're at it, why would Ali pick someone that gets lynched as town on D1/D2?

could always be a bottom pick but this is wifom

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bitmap please change your avatar to the splatoon girl because you sound tonally different and i need to know if thats because your avi

[OkaPoka]

as bad as it is

bitmap realizing something is antitown but wanting to indulge in it anyways for el memes seems in personality and nai

[OkaPoka]

another game without rc another game about rc

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VOTE: spiffeh

down for this

jury is out on bitmap for me but

[OkaPoka]

i like sherlock

[OkaPoka]

isnt bitmaps reason to tr him based on wifom and likely not really that significant to him

[OkaPoka]

ok wait a moment at first i thought tse was using the wheel as a way to reveal true reads but since pine hasnt posted since tse's last wheel rounds

monkaS

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ok wait a moment at first i thought tse was using the wheel as a way to reveal true reads but since pine hasnt posted since tse's last wheel rounds

monkaS

I doubt this.
As I’ve stated who I’d really read.
RN I would normally watch you for a potential scum read on you but I’m not in charge.
The wheel decides things for me.

if you think about it

the wheel will be wrong more than its right

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so if you are using the wheel to make a point

let me show you a statistical argument of just sheeping someone

given a random slot, they have a 13/17 chance of rolling town

all you have to assume that they have an above 50% reads rate by lynch which is very much possible

therefore assume they are town and multiple the 50% reads rate minimum to have a 13/34 chance of hitting scum or ~38%

your wheel has a 4/17 or 23% chance of hitting scum

just moral of the story is go and research some players and auto sheep them

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its because tse is a naive mafiascum player who has probably lost to a deepwolf and has been permanently traumatized as a result

poor tse

send tse to the mountainous gulags to realize that townies can be good at the game

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VOTE: bitmap

the ppp has arrived again

unity comrades

unity

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i am a ppp member comrade

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wanna lynch flavor leaf

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VOTE: flavor

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what is wrong with RR?

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quote those posts bitmap

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not particularly alignment indicative without knowing more about the slots

which i do not have (at best i have like 5 year old meta on drixx that idr)

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i dont know how you draw the conclusion that you are wrong on RR with me saying that i dont know what to make of those posts

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ok why aren't you down to bury flavor leaf in an unmarked grave

[OkaPoka]

who do you want to noose up

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Anyone want to vote Ankamius with me?

sounds fun

[OkaPoka]

not really feeling it

ok sure

who do you want to noose up

Amrun would be a nice counter wagon.

at that point just lynch tse no?

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I think TSE is just being a VI at this point.

I'm not sure what to think of Ank atm.

and amrun is being a what ? a lurker no ? very much a policy lynch in which case there is a very nice policy lynch in tse who won't ever be nk'd and will always be lynched this game


its inevitable

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does town ank ever vote tse thats like the opposite of ank's style of lynch picking

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I don’t think it makes sense for town!Ankamius to have me as her highest town read at this point.

I have a history of reading Ank well in the past (to be fair this was like a few years ago) and her putting me at the top of her readslist makes me anxious that she’s cozying up to me, and her stated reasoning doesn’t really cut it.

VOTE: Ankamius

mmh yes well thought out

VOTE: ank

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u think fl is town?

[OkaPoka]

This vote isn’t decided by the wheel but makes the most sense to do.

welp reported

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amruns going to get prodded ! hmm :suspicious:

[OkaPoka]

ms boomers dont like playing scum xd

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my desire to eliminate flavor leaf is very high

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pine notty

amrun more notty

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At least I explained myself more extensively than your reads. So yes, I think my reads hold merit.

You said RR was scum for PoEing Boon and Esp when your reasons for townreading Boon is 100% pick spec and your reasons for townreading Esp is because he's posting

-S

I feel this isn’t fair. Most of my posts this game prior to today had literally been directed towards Bitmap, and Titus, Bitmap, Alisae, Math, and Chkflip just met up like a week and a half ago, so there’s momentum from that.

I think it’s more than just pick spec as you mentioned. I think Bitmap’s read and the fact that he is having trouble expressing it completely in the first part is incredibly townie.

this is just garbage

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wow nobody else thinks that flavor leaf's entire string of postings recently are just all

bad?

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like its almost entirely meaningless and he's engaging in early draft spec and trying to categorize scumteams based on exactly zero flips and is doing "gamestate" reads which he isn't really elaborating more on

its just going to lead to more chaos and confusion but it sounds smart

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example

You can essentially boil it down to basics.

Mr. Fantastic, the logical thinker, strategist, captain, run the day to day, keeps the scum thread informed of everything going on, and doing way too much work

Invisible Woman, usually the deepwolf type, not posting heavily, but expected to be able to carry a scum win if Mr. Fantastic goes down, and can easily shift into the gamestate leader in place of the Mr. Fantastic, but stays under the radar enough and can disappear.

The Thing, can be a powerhouse and distraction for scum, straight up makes a lot of noise, and destroys things. Doesn’t really have associations or sly maneuvers, they just react react react.

Human Torch, kind of trolly, think Elsa Jay scum. They can be a force to be reckoned with, more of a High Risk High Reward type of play. I’m definitely a combination of HT and Mr. Fantastic.

And like I said, you can switch, but I think most people tend to naturally play in a specific type of playstyle as scum.

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example

You can essentially boil it down to basics.

Mr. Fantastic, the logical thinker, strategist, captain, run the day to day, keeps the scum thread informed of everything going on, and doing way too much work

Invisible Woman, usually the deepwolf type, not posting heavily, but expected to be able to carry a scum win if Mr. Fantastic goes down, and can easily shift into the gamestate leader in place of the Mr. Fantastic, but stays under the radar enough and can disappear.

The Thing, can be a powerhouse and distraction for scum, straight up makes a lot of noise, and destroys things. Doesn’t really have associations or sly maneuvers, they just react react react.

Human Torch, kind of trolly, think Elsa Jay scum. They can be a force to be reckoned with, more of a High Risk High Reward type of play. I’m definitely a combination of HT and Mr. Fantastic.

And like I said, you can switch, but I think most people tend to naturally play in a specific type of playstyle as scum.

I asked for that post Oka. It helps frame his other thinking.

Its irrelevant somebody was going to ask him and he was going to answer

Its a baitt

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A little disingenuous to imply im omgusing you there

[OkaPoka]

Especially since you consciously flipped from having me as town to scum as a result of me shading you

[OkaPoka]

Ank ill vote flavor if you are down to party

[OkaPoka]

Titus will you consider endorsing a flavor lynch

[OkaPoka]

please go into great detail working out how i fit into this gamestate

[OkaPoka]

Who are you scumreading Oka?

flavor > ank > amrun > gobble

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these r bad classifications flavor that dont have any grounds but please go on about how scum me fits this gamestate

gobble what are you curious about

[OkaPoka]

So he also named the mislynch they want to get, and knocked down someone town reading me and that I’m high town reading

yes i predicted who you would townread and who townreads you and ank is def going to 100% die here yes

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Your scum reads and your reasoning behind them, Oka.

which of the reads are you curious about because i have posted about all of them

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Your scum reads and your reasoning behind them, Oka.

which of the reads are you curious about because i have posted about all of them

Can you list which posts you have talked about them

u can iso me but heres a very quick summary

flavor - walls of confusion
ank - sub-ankimal votes
amrun - lurker + eli
gobble - eli mainly

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I think amrun is pretty caught up with her childcare issues, that being said we do need more content from her before the end of the day for her to be readable. she's fine in the poe but I'm not betting on her flipping red

-S

u see but eli

[OkaPoka]

im aware certain people are available on certain times but

eli

[OkaPoka]

because otherwise id have pine in my slots too

[OkaPoka]

hectic is just weird like he's posting in a creature-esque fashion but im use to him being more of a firebringer-esque player

[OkaPoka]

at first i think it was scum indicative but i dont know if its ai atp

[OkaPoka]

amrun wanna lynch flavor

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: flavor leaf

leaf 2020 a brighter future

[OkaPoka]

hey espeonage

wanna party

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Just vote me already aaron i know you are heading that way

[OkaPoka]

hey espeonage

wanna party

what do you have in mind?

Oh shit, btw you are perfectly placed to understand why I am so excited about my role I just realised. You can stick around.

you should vote flavor wow

i also have no idea what you are talking about but ok thank you

[OkaPoka]

sherlock want to come and vote flavor leaf

[OkaPoka]

bitmap rc would vote flavor here :3

[OkaPoka]

booo

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if im lynched today and i flip town can i count on you to kill flavor for me titus

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Wow literally nobody wants flavor ok

[OkaPoka]

Who would like to be a doublevoter this phase

[OkaPoka]

me!

Scum arent human

[OkaPoka]

me!

Scum arent human

LOL

Wrong.
The proper answer was

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Wow absolutely no surprises scum would go after me, i used some machine learning blockchain cloud analysis parsing the big data of the game state just wow

[OkaPoka]

I see flavor leaf managed to hide his secret scumread of me in his first 10 posts and lied about townreading me for his 1000 iq play very good thing he had gone through and explained this transition very clearly without any random meaningless metaphors so we can all believe him

[OkaPoka]

Oh then how did you push me before i voted you or shaded you

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I guess when i asked to lynch flavor what i really meant was im psychicand know flavor is going to push me since im a time traveller so i attacked you preemptively but in reality if you unloop the time loop you pushed me first i see wow very clear

[OkaPoka]

wanna lynch flavor leaf

VOTE: flavor

Maybe post numbers are a lie and go in descending order idk

[OkaPoka]

At least I explained myself more extensively than your reads. So yes, I think my reads hold merit.

You said RR was scum for PoEing Boon and Esp when your reasons for townreading Boon is 100% pick spec and your reasons for townreading Esp is because he's posting

-S

I feel this isn’t fair. Most of my posts this game prior to today had literally been directed towards Bitmap, and Titus, Bitmap, Alisae, Math, and Chkflip just met up like a week and a half ago, so there’s momentum from that.

I think it’s more than just pick spec as you mentioned. I think Bitmap’s read and the fact that he is having trouble expressing it completely in the first part is incredibly townie.

this is just garbage

Another evidence of me time travelling since flavor pushed me first yes

[OkaPoka]

But since i can time travel then you are playing into my hand since i know how this unfolds

[OkaPoka]

But if i can time travel does that really mean flavor pushed me first oh know barry youve done it again

[OkaPoka]

Inb4 the comment about how scum flavor wouldnt have derped here because scum flavor accounts for time travel

[OkaPoka]

See proof im a time traveller kiddos

And you might as well sheep me because I'll catch scum everytime as town and if im scum ill hit reset

[OkaPoka]

Flavor is furiously pouring over his iso and my iso to find a post that is somewhat ambiguous

[OkaPoka]

Alisae you must be sweating i can time travel

[OkaPoka]

Its ok

If you subscribe to the many worlds interpretation you still have a chance to win in this timeline

[OkaPoka]

Alisae you need to stop being such a helicopter parent, flavor leaf can bail himself out

[OkaPoka]

You seemed like you were i mean you were just looking through your old posts and actively responding to me with them

[OkaPoka]

Deflection is the most interesting way to play

[OkaPoka]

I’m siding with FL here. What even is life

How do you even ok

[OkaPoka]

I mean id still like a response to my earlier stuff but lets talk about this too

[OkaPoka]

Wow absolutely no surprises scum would go after me, i used some machine learning blockchain cloud analysis parsing the big data of the game state just wow

Been going after even before your fake push

I will remind everyone of this post

[OkaPoka]

Because this is how flavor leaf wants everyone to view the game even though its FALSE

[OkaPoka]

Please explain how you pushed me before i pushed you flavor


Please

[OkaPoka]

Also explain that gamestate reason of how.me going after you is a gamestate scumread for me please

[OkaPoka]

So if i had a real push...

Then why does that mean this push is fake lmao

Especially since well is said your new post was garbage before you sr me lmAo

You gave me zero reason to change my read on you

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Okay what about lying about the history to create a false gamestate premise

[OkaPoka]

Okay what about lying about the history to create a false gamestate premise

No, you’re the one lying. I split your push into pre flavor being here and after. You’re one after i showed up is fake

You JUST qualified your claim

[OkaPoka]

Yeah and we let you go to lylo for a reason

[OkaPoka]

Yeah and we let you go to lylo for a reason

Dude, trust me and stop the spam.

Not like anyone else is doing much tbh

[OkaPoka]

Yeah and we let you go to lylo for a reason

This is a TMI post.


Ring this up. This is what I was looking for

PLEASE elaborate

[OkaPoka]

Not feeling a tse lynch right now because there exists better lynches

But I don't oppose policy lynching ftr

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: maki and kaito

[OkaPoka]

Yeah and we let you go to lylo for a reason

This is a TMI post.


Ring this up. This is what I was looking for

PLEASE elaborate

[OkaPoka]

Okay what about lying about the history to create a false gamestate premise

No, you’re the one lying. I split your push into pre flavor being here and after. You’re one after i showed up is fake

Okay what about lying about the history to create a false gamestate premise

No, you’re the one lying. I split your push into pre flavor being here and after. You’re one after i showed up is fake

You JUST qualified your claim

[OkaPoka]

At least I explained myself more extensively than your reads. So yes, I think my reads hold merit.

You said RR was scum for PoEing Boon and Esp when your reasons for townreading Boon is 100% pick spec and your reasons for townreading Esp is because he's posting

-S

I feel this isn’t fair. Most of my posts this game prior to today had literally been directed towards Bitmap, and Titus, Bitmap, Alisae, Math, and Chkflip just met up like a week and a half ago, so there’s momentum from that.

I think it’s more than just pick spec as you mentioned. I think Bitmap’s read and the fact that he is having trouble expressing it completely in the first part is incredibly townie.

this is just garbage

[OkaPoka]

Explain to me, please, why TSE as town; decides to purposefully engage with Ali repeatedly, doesn't listen to Titus, refuses to work with town, rejects options presented logically to mitigate his play style and give him an out that is helpful to town, and lastly, why does he even begin the game with randomness in a game where the entire scum premise is obfuscation and building artificial density in the thread.

at least tse is being blatant about obfuscation and artificial density

on the other hand

[OkaPoka]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[OkaPoka]

What does town krazy look like

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: tse
Let me know if you want to make me happy :[

[OkaPoka]

Id lynch ank and mako too tbh

[OkaPoka]

Id lynch ank and mako too tbh

Can you vote Mako then?

Thing is i isod them and they might vote flavor so actually what i mean is there are things that ping me but im willing to play the long way to lynch flavor

[OkaPoka]

Plus maybe if i help espeonage lynch tse he'll help me lynch flavor in the future

[OkaPoka]

*happy noises*

[OkaPoka]

TSE is playing to make a post modernist point about the meaningless and emptiness of mafia or something

[OkaPoka]

Wanna wagon amrun

[OkaPoka]

Someone notice me please

[OkaPoka]

If you guys are all scum just claim now and ill join your team

[OkaPoka]

I forgot fa was playing

[OkaPoka]

Why would alisae choose to make an ascetic enabler tho

[OkaPoka]

What if we played some mountainous mafia with pine as an ic

[OkaPoka]

so sherlock you are townreading flavor?

[OkaPoka]

YO KAITO (i think) WANNA LYNCH FLAVOR

[OkaPoka]

so sherlock you are townreading flavor?

If Boon is scum he's done a pretty good job at

emulating his town thought processes so far.

That being said mind-melding with him on certain reads makes me very nervous because that almost never happens and I don't know what it means. I'm not going to scumread him for agreeing with me but I will say having almost entirely overlapping PoEs is a wholly new experience and we've played a fair number of games together

-S

ELABORATE?

[OkaPoka]

Actually I regret posting 2354, I don't really care to push that right now

We're fine voting pine obviously, and Sherlock. Flavor is annoying, not sure if scum. Tse same deal.

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why pine i dont see

[OkaPoka]

Still unsure Titus.

Pine has softed positive utility while alive with regards to ascetics. So that's a thing.

Neighbourizer makes a lot of sense in a ascetic game.

I'm not sure it's that nuts honestly.

Gonna take a risk here bc I feel like I have done enough work to potentially be a target anyway.

I'm also Ascetic and a PR.

Who claimed neighborizor?

Also, acknowledging your claim here

Actually I regret posting 2354, I don't really care to push that right now

We're fine voting pine obviously, and Sherlock. Flavor is annoying, not sure if scum. Tse same deal.

why pine i dont see

Look in our iso, but tldr: Maki cased him as scum and he hasn't responded to us

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ok ill let pine respond to your casework before i address it as well

[OkaPoka]

Chemist/Amrun/TSE - are lean towns based on what I said earlier. TSE even moreso.

Gobbledygook/Bitmap are town reads of mine based on their play and posts, and position in the gamestate.

Spiffeh/Espeonage/Frozen Angel I think probably have scum in them based on their place in this game mixed with the drafting process and my other reads.

Okapoka’s probably just scum, especially if Krazy is town.

RR, idk, null.

OkaPoka/Maki/Espeonage is my way too early scum team, with probably like Spiffeh/FA.

I guess if you wanted the long and short of it, this post specifically doesn't look like a scum boon post to me, particularly for early day 1 briefly after a catchup

I would have liked more from Boon before he went deep into the pick spec stuff so I didn't get like, the full town boon experience, but I got like a decently sized sampler plate that's enough for me to have no interest in him this dayphase

-S

You think this one post disqualifies the fact that he immediately flopped on me as soon as I called him out on a bad post and continues to misrepresent the game?

[OkaPoka]

You think this one post disqualifies the fact that he immediately flopped on me as soon as I called him out on a bad post and continues to misrepresent the game?

Hate to say it but him flipping his read on you at the drop of a hat ranges from NAI to town indicative?

That being said I still need the full town boon experience. Don't deadsheep this read in lylo

-S

I am curious, if you do feel this way about flavor and I ~why did you basically ignore Flavor vs Me?

[OkaPoka]

It's bad for my hairline to interrupt Boon while he is in the middle of his process.

-S

I'm saying the recent 1v1, where it was pretty clear that both of us stopped

pedit: yeah i know why didn't you say something along the lines of wow flavor townier i think

[OkaPoka]

At least I explained myself more extensively than your reads. So yes, I think my reads hold merit.

You said RR was scum for PoEing Boon and Esp when your reasons for townreading Boon is 100% pick spec and your reasons for townreading Esp is because he's posting

-S

I feel this isn’t fair. Most of my posts this game prior to today had literally been directed towards Bitmap, and Titus, Bitmap, Alisae, Math, and Chkflip just met up like a week and a half ago, so there’s momentum from that.

I think it’s more than just pick spec as you mentioned. I think Bitmap’s read and the fact that he is having trouble expressing it completely in the first part is incredibly townie.

this is just garbage

can you find a post before this post

[OkaPoka]

Because this is I think the second time you've accused me of misrepping you and whenever I point out that post you just don't ever respond

[OkaPoka]

Thus far OkaPoka/Sherlock through their comments towards me are town indicative.

Nope, but i found this post.

I also went on to call Sherlock scum right after too.

Yes and you flipped on me after I made my post calling your post garbage I mean you acknowledge that in your reads flip which makes it all the more puzzling why you keep claiming that I'm misrepping you.

Like in your own analysis you say me coming after you makes me scum. But like now you are arguing that me coming after you came after your reads flip? Which doesn't make sense because its what lead to your read flip.

[OkaPoka]

Spoiler: Timeline of quotes

wanna lynch flavor leaf

VOTE: flavor

Thus far OkaPoka/Sherlock through their comments towards me are town indicative.

At least I explained myself more extensively than your reads. So yes, I think my reads hold merit.

You said RR was scum for PoEing Boon and Esp when your reasons for townreading Boon is 100% pick spec and your reasons for townreading Esp is because he's posting

-S

I feel this isn’t fair. Most of my posts this game prior to today had literally been directed towards Bitmap, and Titus, Bitmap, Alisae, Math, and Chkflip just met up like a week and a half ago, so there’s momentum from that.

I think it’s more than just pick spec as you mentioned. I think Bitmap’s read and the fact that he is having trouble expressing it completely in the first part is incredibly townie.

this is just garbage

One of Krazy hydra/Ankamius, but exactly one of them.

You're kinda looking at this the wrong way though

Duck and SS get to pick

If Ali goes first and does a top priority heavy that isn't Ank, then Duck could very easily double on us for town

Which is precisely why you're basically just looking at the pick logic totally wrong, you're over-prioritizing what is actually an incredibly difficult puzzle to analyze. Focus on play, Boon, before you actually make me want to policy lynch you for real Like half of what you've said since you stopped actually solving is like pure cancer

-S

So? I post a lot. It’s not like I don’t analyze play whilst all this.

I also think my posting is fantastic for reactions.

We’ll see.

If I’m right, like I usually am when people push at me, at least 2/3 partially, you can ask PenguinPower on my solve capabilities at the expense of some minor casualties.

And this is a solid base of the puzzle. I found a good amount of puzzle pieces, and looking at em all before I start trying to piece it together.

I think one of the people who have posted against me tonight is scum, and almost exactly one of them.

I no longer town read OkaPoka either. Maki/Oka/Krazy slot have probably 1 maybe 2 scum within them, but more likely 1.

Wow absolutely no surprises scum would go after me, i used some machine learning blockchain cloud analysis parsing the big data of the game state just wow

Been going after even before your fake push

Wow absolutely no surprises scum would go after me, i used some machine learning blockchain cloud analysis parsing the big data of the game state just wow

Been going after even before your

fake

push

Your real push happened before mine, your fake push happened after

Okay what about lying about the history to create a false gamestate premise

No, you’re the one lying. I split your push into pre flavor being here and after. You’re one after i showed up is fake

Nah, i chang3d my mind on you before you were ever interactin with me, don’t misrep.

Like the above is an extremely condensed timeline of posts, there are a lot more relevant scum indcative posts of flavor but for all of your sakes I just quoted some important timeline events to make the conversation easier.

I think its pretty clear that

a) Flavor townread me at one point or the other
b) I shaded Flavor after his townread of me
c) He flipped his read on me after I shaded him, he acknowledges it here:

I think one of the people who have posted against me tonight is scum, and almost exactly one of them.

Like he has this idea bouncing around in his head that I'm targetting him because of his ability to draft speculate, which I mean I guess is fair? I did originally shade his draft speculation as garbage, but we can well -establish the fact that Flavor Leaf has in fact, flipped his read on me partially due to me shading him. This is self-evident.

So well, game moves on, and Flavor makes some interesting comments where suddenly he paints this picture ~a picture mind you where it looks like I'm pushing him reactively, it's the implication of a chainsaw defense, omgus push you name it. Which I find strange and lacking of, well consistency? Like we can acknowledge town are hypocrites and fickle, but when a decent portion of your read flip is a result of something happen, its awfully confusing and weird to suddenly misremember that detail isn't it? I mean sure, its perfectly possible for Flavor to have "gamestate" reasons to continue scumreading me, but what lead him there is exactly my shade on his draft spec, he

LITERALLY

acknowledges this and now he acts like I'm just simply acting in response to everything?

Which makes this even more strange, because Flavor Leaf, after being pressed on it, clarifies that I indeed had two pushes this game. A real push first, and a fake push. Which is weird because he never at first acknowledges the legitimacy of my first push until after he is pressed about it, and does so now in order to self-rationalize some sort of internal consistency. Like he continues to try and qualify and muddle his claim of how events transpire when its pretty clear that the start of his scumread on me is very much diametrically opposed to how he's trying to push me now. He's pushing me based on the implication that I'm omgusing, let's be honest. Since he hasn't really mentioned whatever that draft spec was nor is he really willing to elaborate much on his gamestate read. But that's just something townies don't do is it? You see townies add on their case constantly and let it evolve, but the core of the scumread isn't just something town forget in what? ~span of 24 hours?

idk dude maybe I'm just rambling but I figured making a post like this would be helpful since I appear not to be in the minority, but literally the sole person here who sees this.

[OkaPoka]

i didn't proofread that but also i figured maybe when i wake up later today

VOTE: flavorleaf

this can happen

if it doesnt ill just find someone cute to hang out with

[OkaPoka]

And you think ScumFL, year of 2019 alone won 10 scum games, would be that obvious about flip flopping?

I mean comments like these, which I can probably find at least one more in your iso and many of your games are extremely effective and well - manipulative, though probably not AI so its best I don't case them up because you will do stuff like this on both sides.

I just want to make sure everyone here doesn't just buy into comments like these as evidence why Flavor Leaf is town.

Because if you break it down, it just leads to a bit of weird logic where nothing can really be incriminating to Flavor Leaf because Flavor Leaf wouldn't be this obvious, right? Like operating under this assumption just leads to WIFOM and self doubt because well, its like the RC argument where nothing is really incriminating to RC because scum!RC would've done x,y,z and won the game already. Like nothing can really stick to Flavor Leaf being scum because Flavor Leaf wouldn't be this obvious! Is the conclusion that would be drawn from this every time.

It's annoying and it works but before you go on and tell me why something like flip flopping is a special case that makes sense I'd like to tell you that as town Flavor Leaf has done this and it worked decently well where he was able to dodge lynches since he went back to the scum!Flavor isn't this obvious right. And Flavor as either alignment can pick that up and use it for future games so its not really AI.

There are perfectly legitimate reasons as to why a scum!Flavor just would've messed up here, or did a calculated play. I mean results-based analysis is the devil and all, but nobody is really considering him to be scum from these flops, I mean you have people townreading him for it and you even have people like AaronFrost who literally want me to go point out why flip flopping and wifom logic is scum motivated. Well, flip flopping by itself isn't really that scum motivated, its a lot more contextual than just saying Flavor Leaf flip flopped so he must be scum -that isn't what I'm arguing here, flip flopping isn't AI. Its the fact that he is conveniently leaving out details to push me in a way that contradicts his flip flop is what, in my eyes, so damning. You can of course tack on the whole chaos and confusion argument as well here, but that's a different premise as to why Flavor is scum that isn't going to be explored here. I want to just focus on this aspect of Flavor's game here, and why you shouldn't just buy into this crap, it works, he knows it works, and he's re-labelling my argument and boiling it down into a slightly morphed argument that is more easily defended against.

[OkaPoka]

reeeee

[OkaPoka]

Highly prefer flavor or ank

VOTE: maki

[OkaPoka]

Or Amrun not ank oop

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: sherlock

[OkaPoka]

flavor > amrun > ank > rr > chemist

[OkaPoka]

im kinda done with this dayphase and im not a massive fan of any wagon and but i also dont like townread any of them either so

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: sherlock

I was about to say "I'm offended" but then realized you were just voting Sherlock.

<3

doing u a favor here gotta remove the head of the hydra that is consuming all the calories

[OkaPoka]

Why'd you decide to swap onto us when you were previously voting with us?

~W

it was tied before but now you have more votes so might as well speed this along

also if you guys die then thats one less person who has me in their poe wow xd

pedit: yes you both were tied but if i switch it is no longer tied

[OkaPoka]

Damn

~W

just convince some more people to vote dunn and maria and ill swap back

[OkaPoka]

I will vote any wagon that has an equal amount of votes to the wagon i am currently on

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: mako kaito

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: mako kaito

Why do I feel like you're trying to appease Titus with this vote?

Bc i want to

[OkaPoka]

Who are you scumreading Oka?

flavor > ank > amrun > gobble

Oka why did your scumread of me disappear?

Go read my iso i explained this already

[OkaPoka]

Congratulations

[OkaPoka]

All you have to do is see the next post

[OkaPoka]

Spoiler: Timeline of quotes

wanna lynch flavor leaf

VOTE: flavor

Thus far OkaPoka/Sherlock through their comments towards me are town indicative.

At least I explained myself more extensively than your reads. So yes, I think my reads hold merit.

You said RR was scum for PoEing Boon and Esp when your reasons for townreading Boon is 100% pick spec and your reasons for townreading Esp is because he's posting

-S

I feel this isn’t fair. Most of my posts this game prior to today had literally been directed towards Bitmap, and Titus, Bitmap, Alisae, Math, and Chkflip just met up like a week and a half ago, so there’s momentum from that.

I think it’s more than just pick spec as you mentioned. I think Bitmap’s read and the fact that he is having trouble expressing it completely in the first part is incredibly townie.

this is just garbage

One of Krazy hydra/Ankamius, but exactly one of them.

You're kinda looking at this the wrong way though

Duck and SS get to pick

If Ali goes first and does a top priority heavy that isn't Ank, then Duck could very easily double on us for town

Which is precisely why you're basically just looking at the pick logic totally wrong, you're over-prioritizing what is actually an incredibly difficult puzzle to analyze. Focus on play, Boon, before you actually make me want to policy lynch you for real Like half of what you've said since you stopped actually solving is like pure cancer

-S

So? I post a lot. It’s not like I don’t analyze play whilst all this.

I also think my posting is fantastic for reactions.

We’ll see.

If I’m right, like I usually am when people push at me, at least 2/3 partially, you can ask PenguinPower on my solve capabilities at the expense of some minor casualties.

And this is a solid base of the puzzle. I found a good amount of puzzle pieces, and looking at em all before I start trying to piece it together.

I think one of the people who have posted against me tonight is scum, and almost exactly one of them.

I no longer town read OkaPoka either. Maki/Oka/Krazy slot have probably 1 maybe 2 scum within them, but more likely 1.

Wow absolutely no surprises scum would go after me, i used some machine learning blockchain cloud analysis parsing the big data of the game state just wow

Been going after even before your fake push

Wow absolutely no surprises scum would go after me, i used some machine learning blockchain cloud analysis parsing the big data of the game state just wow

Been going after even before your

fake

push

Your real push happened before mine, your fake push happened after

Okay what about lying about the history to create a false gamestate premise

No, you’re the one lying. I split your push into pre flavor being here and after. You’re one after i showed up is fake

Nah, i chang3d my mind on you before you were ever interactin with me, don’t misrep.

Like the above is an extremely condensed timeline of posts, there are a lot more relevant scum indcative posts of flavor but for all of your sakes I just quoted some important timeline events to make the conversation easier.

I think its pretty clear that

a) Flavor townread me at one point or the other
b) I shaded Flavor after his townread of me
c) He flipped his read on me after I shaded him, he acknowledges it here:

I think one of the people who have posted against me tonight is scum, and almost exactly one of them.

Like he has this idea bouncing around in his head that I'm targetting him because of his ability to draft speculate, which I mean I guess is fair? I did originally shade his draft speculation as garbage, but we can well -establish the fact that Flavor Leaf has in fact, flipped his read on me partially due to me shading him. This is self-evident.

So well, game moves on, and Flavor makes some interesting comments where suddenly he paints this picture ~a picture mind you where it looks like I'm pushing him reactively, it's the implication of a chainsaw defense, omgus push you name it. Which I find strange and lacking of, well consistency? Like we can acknowledge town are hypocrites and fickle, but when a decent portion of your read flip is a result of something happen, its awfully confusing and weird to suddenly misremember that detail isn't it? I mean sure, its perfectly possible for Flavor to have "gamestate" reasons to continue scumreading me, but what lead him there is exactly my shade on his draft spec, he

LITERALLY

acknowledges this and now he acts like I'm just simply acting in response to everything?

Which makes this even more strange, because Flavor Leaf, after being pressed on it, clarifies that I indeed had two pushes this game. A real push first, and a fake push. Which is weird because he never at first acknowledges the legitimacy of my first push until after he is pressed about it, and does so now in order to self-rationalize some sort of internal consistency. Like he continues to try and qualify and muddle his claim of how events transpire when its pretty clear that the start of his scumread on me is very much diametrically opposed to how he's trying to push me now. He's pushing me based on the implication that I'm omgusing, let's be honest. Since he hasn't really mentioned whatever that draft spec was nor is he really willing to elaborate much on his gamestate read. But that's just something townies don't do is it? You see townies add on their case constantly and let it evolve, but the core of the scumread isn't just something town forget in what? ~span of 24 hours?

idk dude maybe I'm just rambling but I figured making a post like this would be helpful since I appear not to be in the minority, but literally the sole person here who sees this.

And you think ScumFL, year of 2019 alone won 10 scum games, would be that obvious about flip flopping?

I mean comments like these, which I can probably find at least one more in your iso and many of your games are extremely effective and well - manipulative, though probably not AI so its best I don't case them up because you will do stuff like this on both sides.

I just want to make sure everyone here doesn't just buy into comments like these as evidence why Flavor Leaf is town.

Because if you break it down, it just leads to a bit of weird logic where nothing can really be incriminating to Flavor Leaf because Flavor Leaf wouldn't be this obvious, right? Like operating under this assumption just leads to WIFOM and self doubt because well, its like the RC argument where nothing is really incriminating to RC because scum!RC would've done x,y,z and won the game already. Like nothing can really stick to Flavor Leaf being scum because Flavor Leaf wouldn't be this obvious! Is the conclusion that would be drawn from this every time.

It's annoying and it works but before you go on and tell me why something like flip flopping is a special case that makes sense I'd like to tell you that as town Flavor Leaf has done this and it worked decently well where he was able to dodge lynches since he went back to the scum!Flavor isn't this obvious right. And Flavor as either alignment can pick that up and use it for future games so its not really AI.

There are perfectly legitimate reasons as to why a scum!Flavor just would've messed up here, or did a calculated play. I mean results-based analysis is the devil and all, but nobody is really considering him to be scum from these flops, I mean you have people townreading him for it and you even have people like AaronFrost who literally want me to go point out why flip flopping and wifom logic is scum motivated. Well, flip flopping by itself isn't really that scum motivated, its a lot more contextual than just saying Flavor Leaf flip flopped so he must be scum -that isn't what I'm arguing here, flip flopping isn't AI. Its the fact that he is conveniently leaving out details to push me in a way that contradicts his flip flop is what, in my eyes, so damning. You can of course tack on the whole chaos and confusion argument as well here, but that's a different premise as to why Flavor is scum that isn't going to be explored here. I want to just focus on this aspect of Flavor's game here, and why you shouldn't just buy into this crap, it works, he knows it works, and he's re-labelling my argument and boiling it down into a slightly morphed argument that is more easily defended against.

@hectic if you read these posts carefully i also explain stuff wrt you i promise

[OkaPoka]

Hey ank wanna you know

[OkaPoka]

Vote flavor please i beg you

Pedit: omg hectic is the second person to have acknowledged i made those posts

[OkaPoka]

Me writing wallposts is me from 2015

[OkaPoka]

You are right that i havent wallposted in a while and i dont like it because very few people read it but i figured if nobody else is acknowledging whats wrong then i have to

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: sherlock

[OkaPoka]

hectic acknowleding my posts <3 i have been buddied

[OkaPoka]

lets lynch aaron frost tbh he's probably the deep wolf

[OkaPoka]

any takers on a flash wagon on

flavor, amrun, aaronfrost ???

[OkaPoka]

any takers on a flash wagon on

flavor, amrun, aaronfrost ???

Mako is good.

how important is it i just follow your bidding

[OkaPoka]

Ankamius is avoiding the main wagons, just saying

i will wagon ank