Titus v. Alisae (endgame)

[Sherlock and Watson]

Two people already claimed ascetic?

Okay in that case

Hardclaim town commuter

we're x-shot, not gonna say how many shots tho

-Sherlock

[Sherlock and Watson]

Don't mind this

Spoiler:

Masonry: Maki

Townbin:

Townlean: RR, Amrun, Hectic, Espeonage

[Read reserved for (expired on 2020-02-11 19:53:24) - Ankamius]

[Quarantine]

Sorting Pool: TSE, Pine, OkaPoka, FA, Chemist, Aaron, GG

Scumlean: Spiffeh

Scumbin: Flavor Leaf, Bitmap, Kaito

Kill with fire:

Notes: page 3 can be skipped on rereads
Notes: Krazy is Sherlock and Penguin is Watson

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

-Sherlock

[Sherlock and Watson]

shit Ank rolled scum

well this is gonna be a lot less fun now

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

[Sherlock and Watson]

Would Ali draft Ank ever?

VOTE: Bitmap

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Fun fact if I was Ali I would have picked Spif, FL, Ank, and Hectic.

2/4
you're half right!

so Spiffeh's town then?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Fun fact if I was Ali I would have picked Spif, FL, Ank, and Hectic.

2/4
you're half right!

How about RR Amrun and Sherlock?

Titus you're not supposed to make our mason theater so obvious

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

~Doctor John H. Watson

[Sherlock and Watson]

Bargain: Quadruple Dayvig

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Forum tree is currently in the process of being fixed...even if it doesn't look like it.

~W

[Sherlock and Watson]

Sounds like about how these games usually go

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

These first twelve pages are content-rich and I have lots of really strong reads :kappa

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

why is Ankamius signing her posts with her avatar
is this a mason memo i didn't get

Why not?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

This sherlock pics are disgusting

[Sherlock and Watson]

why is Ankamius signing her posts with her avatar
is this a mason memo i didn't get

I don't mean to cause confusion, I'm just here to have fun! =)

I hope you're having fun too!

---

Spoiler:

[Sherlock and Watson]

Oooh nice does this mean I can change my claim back to ascetic instead of commuter? That's what I was originally going to go with

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

what are you talking about hectic?

why I feel like it was just yesterday I rolled masons with you in https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=82018

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Good ole ascetic commuting mason

really the best role there is I think

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

*Ascetic commuting mason with factional nightkill of course

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Shit Pine's figured us out!

Dayvig: Pine

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Ali never drafts FL or I

Boon confirmed scum

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

K&M did you two switch heads for this game?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Ali don't, thanks

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

@mod please update op on rules for acceptable font sizes

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

I THINK I MIGHT POST LIKE THIS FOR THE REST OF THE GAME, I'M SURE THE PLAYERLIST WOULD LOVE THAT!

~W

[Sherlock and Watson]

I thought you talked slightly above average frequency when we played lol that one time

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

I nearly just snorted my margarita lol

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

this is a crumb which no one will see until i point it out later
i am a mason with Sherlock but not Watson

~W

[Sherlock and Watson]

I nearly lost AVP

[Sherlock and Watson]

~W

[Sherlock and Watson]

Don't mind this

Spoiler:

Masonry: Hectic

Townbin: RR

Townlean: Amrun, Espeonage, Pine, Maki & Kaito

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[Quarantine]

Sorting Pool: OkaPoka, FA, Aaron, GG

???: Chemist

Scumlean: TSE, Spiffeh

Scumbin: FlavorLeaf, Bitmap

Kill with fire:

-Sherlock

[Sherlock and Watson]

Maybe need to quarantine K&M until day 2

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Don't mind this

Spoiler:

Masonry: Hectic

Townbin: RR

Townlean: Amrun, Pine

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Sorting Pool: OkaPoka, FA, GG, AaronFrost

Re-evaluation Pool: Maki & Kaito, TrueSoulEnergy

???: Chemist

Scumlean: Spiffeh, Espeonage

Scumbin: FlavorLeaf, Bitmap

Kill with fire:

-Sherlock

[Sherlock and Watson]

Do you think you should be townread for your Pine vote?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

It gave me some doubts yeah

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

I'm not really trying to be town leader this game tbh, doesn't mean I'm "nothing posting" tho, what's with the neg?

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

sounds like a plan

Recruit AaronFrost

Our masonry shall blot out the sun!

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Brief cooldown on recruitment, let me know if you think we recruit pine once the cooldown wears off

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

What is your wholistic read of bitmap?

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

Anyone have a ballpark sense of how well ali knows spiffeh?

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

Yeah but I'd like you to put meta aside and just read bitmap's posts when you can, maki. I think I'm more interested in your non meta read than dunn's meta read atm

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

*kaito's

Or do you gaf if I'm consistent on the rping?

[Sherlock and Watson]

Sherlock is Krazy and Watson is PP

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

Although tbh it may be more accurate to say that Sherlock is Sherlock

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

In my mind bitmap should be the day 1 lynch and I wanted to see if you'd reach that conclusion as well before meta was involved

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

Spiffeh how many games have you played with Ali?

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

Don't mind this

Spoiler:

Masonry: Hectic, AaronFrost, Pine

Townbin: RR

Townlean: Amrun

Town side of null: GG, TrueSoulEnergy, Maki & Kaito

[Read reserved for (expired on 2020-02-11 19:53:24) - Ankamius]

Sorting Pool: OkaPoka, FA

???: Chemist

Scumlean: Spiffeh, Espeonage

Scumbin: FlavorLeaf

Kill with fire:Bitmap

Cooldown's up

HEAL: Pine

-Sherlock

[Sherlock and Watson]

Anyone have an above rand rate on reading oka? I think he defaults to town here but he's kinda last to be solved for me

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

Spoiler: For Mason Eyes Only

I kinda think TSE might be town

how to read chemist???

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Oka what's your reads of boon, bitmap, esp?

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

Dont really have anything significant other than espe is probably town?

Sell me on espe town? I had him as town at first but then he made like 4 posts I didn't like

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

Mmk

How you feel about chemist and m+k?

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

as for alignment stance wise since you are probs interested in that

i have somewhat legitimate reasons personally maybe not to other people to sr

aaronfrost, gobble, hectic in that order

feel pretty good with my solves for H+A as town

can you go into your ~reasons~ for gobble sr? don't have to make sense if it's hard to explain but just so I know ballpark what we're talking about

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Hectic have you ever played with Auro? You remind me of him like, a lot

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

I kinda feel like you both look at things people do in a game and if it really stands out, you're like, "I wanna try that"

like you see choices in mafia as like a sampler plate at a buffet

it's hard to explain but it's really wholesome LOL

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

eli tell xd

like, a reverse ellitell? I feel like he's almost more active here than elsewhere?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

eli tell xd

what's that?

It's an activity tell, where you compare activity in current game vs. sitewide activity

It's hard to discuss clearly because obviously no specific other game can be discussed, only 'sitewide activity'

It's also, historically, really hit or miss imo

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Spoiler: Scumteam

AND THIS NAME IS JOHN CENA, DODODODO DODODODO

I hope your drafting skills are better than your meme skills.

I know anything toward Ali is like the easiest possible theater but I did like this for town tho, just because it's such a good burn

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

I dont understand. Is eli tell actually AI?

I've only seen lurker town Chemist. Should I scum read Chemist then?

Ellitell is sometimes AI and sometimes isn't. Is it above rand as a tell? I think it depends on the person

What's funny about your chemist question though is that Watson literally asked that same question in our PT, that's why I've been asking for better metrics to read him by since that seems like an anti-fun argument lol

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Spoiler: probably incoherent for anyone but me

Scum replace-in chemist, does nothing, immediately dies: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Scum Chemist Hydra -- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

What was my read? I had no read of him, so I wasn't technically wrong

Town chemist -- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Subject: Mini Theme 2083 - Vengeful Ghosts Endgame

There is definitely scum inside mastina, chemist, and Cheeky and we should continue to finish mass claim.

My read: PoE but no FoS

Subject: Mini Theme 2083 - Vengeful Ghosts Endgame

Pine CFD isn't off limits, might take that over a chemist lynch even though I think my chemist read is not hydra-consensus... in fact I think Harley is fine with Chemist and Poison Ivy is fine with Chemist if my PT notes are up to date. So if we need to do chemist we can but, Katwoman isn't super in love with Chemist going today. In fact Harley specifically wanted Chemist over Pine ughh... annoying having Harley be out of town at EoD.

I was only one in my hydra to not strongly incorrectly scumread him? uh go me I guess

Subject: Mini Theme 2083 - Vengeful Ghosts Endgame

Ost Locktown
mastina leantown, chemist leantown

dude I got there but I don't remember how now LOL

Chemist scum: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

huh I seemed to get here this time too

Subject: Mini 2084: Pokemon Ruby Mafia - Game Over

There's two votes on him right now so

VOTE: chemist should be l-3

idk if we need l-2 to get more pressure right now or not

Subject: Mini 2084: Pokemon Ruby Mafia - Game Over

Yeah prolly, which we doing first? Maybe better for game if we go Gamma first but I'm pretty okay with Chemistry going today too if we're struggling to get the consensus there

so it seems like I usually end up being right on chemist, I never feel really strongly about him one way or the other, but he has tended to end up in the right side of my poe, but I don't remember *why* I end up thinking that way any game I'm in with him because I never feel particularly strongly about it

I feel like one of those amnesiac MCs who has the power to find the secret answer but it's trapped in some ancient memories LOLOLOL

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

Sherlock, do you have a problem with my playstyle in a NAI sort of way? Is it my avatar?

Not really, although you generally match what I expect scum to be doing in the game, you seem like someone Ali would be likely to pick, and I dislike six different posts you've made this game which makes you far and away my strongest scumread

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

After carefully reviewing my notes, rereading, and thinking carefully, I've decided I have no idea what the F chemist's alignment is

I might just save him for tomorrow or hope mech solves him somehow

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

It's not a *reason* to scumread you, it's more a prerequisite I guess you could say

like for Spiffeh my main thought was "would ali actually pick spiffeh if they haven't played together" but then spiffeh said they had in old-timeys so maybe ali would want to do a throwback

that's more like, if I thought ali wouldn't pick you, I would say that's a reason not to do you day 1

if that makes sense

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Spoiler: wifom for ali

I kinda want to ask if you didn't pick me because of Ali v Pine but it's probably too early, would seem wifomy, and I'm not sure I'd ever get a straight answer anyway. but I am kinda curious cause I thought I was like above rand for a pick here?

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

I still think there's a low chance for Ali to pick FL and Pine though.

agree on Pine, but why not FL?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Bitmap

This is six different reasons I scumread you

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

I don't get it.

click each different letter of your name and you get a different reason I scumread you

my reads and reasoning aren't secret at all, I feel like I've been super transparent about them lol

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

FL is known to be a strong player and has strong relations with Alisae. I know this sounds WIFOM but there's a good chance Ali might opt to not pick FL because e thinks FL is an easy mislynch as a result. Does this mean it's confirmed that Ali didn't pick FL? No. But I'm willing to give FL a pass today and see how he plays out in D1/D2 because if he's town, he's a viable asset and I think can help us lynch scum.

okay so putting alisae pick wifom aside how is this not Boon playing his scumgame to a T?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Yeah, and while there's one scenario where I'm wrong on him, I feel like he's pretty transparently scum

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Bitmap

This is six different reasons I scumread you

-S

These are six links to the following posts:

Towny bucket: Esp, Pine, FL

I don't think MariaR has ever read me right since Starry Night unless she was scum and I was town. I think it's better to defer to Dunns.

Scum in: {TSE, FL, FA, Espe, S&W} <--- they all have at least weak evidence in my thoughts so far. Generally takes more than that plus Cerb poking logic before I'm more certain though, and it's still pretty early his time.

~D

This is a horrible scum list.

FL is not scum. Espe is not scum. And TSE is just a village idiot with a high chance of being town but annoying.

Would Ali draft Ank ever?

Looks like it wants me to vote FL.
VOTE: FL

You had a scum read on Pine but you vote FL???????

Ok just carry me in main thread.

All of which I find scummy

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Why is wanting to sheep a strong town player who is identified to have a high chance of being considered scummy? Sherlock we have played before right?

who are you sheeping in those posts? I'm confused

also, were you in a hydra in magical girls or something? I think we were technically in that game but I wouldn't honestly call that playing together

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Yeah in AU-P:HoS I observed your 1v1 with Gamma was a boring TvT and I think that's the last thought I put into the game

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

pain in the ass to find completed game threads anymore really

what the fuck did they DO to the forum hierarchy

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Ok so your Boon read was based on Ali spec (but you were really confident in?) but anyway, why were you so confident in Esp town?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Vote: TSE

I am pretty certain I never voted for FL.

But your town though.

Oh shit is this a slip.

Hey Titus, I am just curious, mostly bc I wasn't picked by either of you. But I have no idea if you rate me a player as either scum or town? I have a theory on why you both avoided me but I won't go in to it. I am just super curious.

Hey Bitmap, do you want to be in a voting bloc with me? I want to invite pine and Tse in to it.

I worried about the relative lack of content from a few slots that have been active.

Which ones?

Hectic is the biggest offender.

S and W as well.

M&K and Pine are gonna wish they had both shut up when I inevitably flip n2.

I find all these posts concerning

not enough to put Esp below boon for me rn

but enough that my initial townlean dissolved pretty much entirely

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

yo krazy
how can he be confident in something like that when he's never even played with boon?

I literally wrote "do you kiss your mother with that mouth? because if that's a compliment then I'd hate to see an insult"

but I don't really feel the need to start even more shit with RC or his fanboys

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

So far I don't really feel compelled to re-evaluate anything in my solve? Probably should just take a break and let the offline people have less to process catching up

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Probably not flawless but Bit->Boon->Esp->Spiff probably hits 2+?

if I'm 1/4 I'm not entirely sure I'd probably go back to second-guessing myself on M+K maybe before chemistry, also wild card chance FA forgot to notify ali she was going to be busy before he dubbed her scum but there's no particularly reason to think that above the people who are posting and scummy

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

I think esp has some concerning stuff, but there's nothing wrong with post 440 - You were demonstrably in the thread and talking about off topic things, I'm not sure why you're so opposed to the idea of this, I linked the posts back.

I also had multiple iterations of a tiered readslist with notes so arguing my early game content was bad feels disingenuous

I get people are lazy and I was deliberately not trying to make the thread visually bloated with unspoilered reads lists but acting as though I wasn't solving strikes me as superficial at best and bad faith at worst

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

@S&W: If you don't want to re-evaluate that's fine but don't get mad at me being a fanboy when I give you an honest and upfront answer as to why I read someone a certain way.

did I get mad? confused by this. I restrained myself from a direct pot shot at RC but I didn't really knock your reasoning on Esp even if it doesn't give me much reason to reevaluate

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

haven't mentioned them

I just mentioned Boon was playing to scum meta like... a page ago?

And Spiffeh gives me 0 townpings in 22 posts, probably least confident on that read but I feel like I have a decent number of townreads at this point so PoE nudges me there

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

You had a tiered read list but no explanations

explanations are in the list...

also, why do you think it feels forced? I honestly don't get how you'd feel that at all

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Here, let me point you to the Boon posts I dislike this game:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Your tone feels really fucking weird this game Dunn, btw

like do you need me to wallposts shit or what? the posts are scummy, if you don't find them scummy then I can say what I find scummy about them but asking me to explain why a bunch of scummy shit is scummy is dumb and you know better

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Ok

Take what you just said

Boon is at best null; ok

So why are you more concerned with me sring him than bitmap emphatically saying he's not scum?

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

You wanna know who Ali would never draft.

ME!

Self serving

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

I believe it. And we finally get to play a game together, Bitmap.

Pockety

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

Yeah, just trying to get why dunn is nagging me simultaneously for too little content while recognizing some slots aren't readable without meta or bullshit

Boon feels like scum because he should be town by now

And instead all his posts look like scum boon

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

I wonder if whiny dunn is scum dunn

He was kinda whiny in excal but at the time he was also siding with me on mech so it was diff

Idk, now he'll apparently be pinged because I'm still thinking about him

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

I don't appreciate being discredited as "whiny" - I believe I've made good points and you've been trying to brush me aside by pointing to things that are only kind of related, like saying "then why aren't you going after bitmap"

I think I've brushed more of your points aside because I know you're basically competent and I don't really feel like I should have to explain why scummy posts are scummy to you. It feels like you're nagging me for explanations rather than really trying to solve me atm, or for that matter solve with me, like you're not really trying to get a better read of the people I'm talking about but rather just sort of complaining that I'm not doing things the way you think I should be doing them. You're like "explain this and explain this and explain this" but your own reads seem pretty meh and you're basically arguing I shouldn't be scumreading people you have as null because my gut sense is different than your gut sense.

What's your read on Espe, Bitmap, Spiffeh, Chemist? With explanations, please

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

send tse to the mountainous gulags to realize that townies can be good at the game

this is actually a pretty good metaphor, kudos

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

See - you listed them both as scum without explanation, but in order for this to be pocketing they can't both be scum, and you seem to primarily be scumreading bitmap, but you're simultaneously pushing flavor leaf and using this as reasoning, which leaves me wondering where your head is really at.

I'm almost inclined to say that this is too superficial to come from town Dunn. I'm working on a PoE and I have two people as scumreads, I'm not preflipping either as scum even if I don't hate my solve. I don't really see this as an inconsistency given how fluid the gamestate is, and I'm not assuming I'm 4/4 right now, in fact I just indicated I'm at this point hoping to be at least 2+

this feels more like "nagging" and "whiny" rather than something to actually complain about from a town POV? or is this what you're saying is a "legitimate concern"?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

After carefully reviewing my notes, rereading, and thinking carefully, I've decided I have no idea what the F chemist's alignment is

I might just save him for tomorrow or hope mech solves him somehow

-S

Oof this is bad. Chemist is the easiest read in the thread right now. Please elaborate on how you came to that conclusion.

~D

What's your metric to reading town chem?

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

ank you don't think alisae favors day play? I would be really surprised if e picked someone for mech play tbh

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

lmao

I don't need someone for mechanical play
I am the mechanical carry xD

I believe this tbh

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

I'm digging your new gimmick, Ank :3

<3

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Oh, I dunno =)

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

I think I’d rather remove Ank over Chemist as Chemist should be more solvable for you guys to figure out.

Anyway the wheel decided that I have a Town Read.
Let’s see who it is.

OkaPoka is my Town Read.

OkaPoka is my Town Read.

Why?

Mafiascum 2020 everyone!

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Why did you feel the need to answer for him, Krazy?

Why are you asking questions that are answered in the post right before the one you were asking about?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Do you think that’s scum indicative that I asked questions that have immediate answers?

I think it suggests you're not really paying that much attention. For some people that can be scum indicative but I haven't played with you enough to know if it is for you. Mostly I just thought it was a depressing sign for this forum since I've been seeing really lazy questions like that a lot lately

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

I wouldn't be as lethargic as this if I had these scummates

why not? would Amrun get you FIRED UP?



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[Sherlock and Watson]

Statistically the wheel should have a 33% hit rate, which would imply 1 of the 4 should be scum and maybe one of the others, on average.

Strictly speaking the wheel's read of FA for instance is probably no better or worse than anyone else's right now

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

I liked Dunn's posts from last night. owo

What did you like about them?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Bad. Get back on the RR wagon.

What is the source of your confidence in RR wagon?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

I don't mind RR but I think Sherlock and Watson have above rand chance of being scum.

Why, on both counts?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

You could of just given a one liner to elaborate more but you sort of blew up on him and I think you were being overly defensive.

I did give one liners to elaborate more and then he accused me of being inconsistent because part of my scumread for Boon was that he might be pocketing another person I scumread. That's a really dumb argument for Dunn to make and I wasn't being 'overly defensive' when Dunn is not someone who I expect to make superficial or dumb arguments.

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

I don’t understand their incongruent play. RR is touted as being good, to the point that Titus should first pick them as mason, and then outs that they were not first picked as mason.

Seems... deliberately ignorant of the implications that has on the game state. Unless it is all a ploy between Titus and RR.

Why do you scumread Bitmap?

So your entire problem with RR is based on pick spec?

I think I dislike every position Bitmap has taken at every point this game and some of his posts seem to advance a scum agenda or to try to position himself as town in a scummy manner.

That being said I didn't hate every part of our conversation last night, but he still vibed me briefly in the way someone like nomnom plays scum so even if he occasionally feels tonally town the way he responded to push felt ~not great.

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

See? Is it this hard to give explanations on reads when you're asked about them?

I've been pretty happy to answer questions about reads when I feel the question is being asked in good faith

Also, speaking of overreactions, they seemed to really overreact to me moving them from "townlean" to "reevaluating"

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Bitmap

This is six different reasons I scumread you

-S

I don't get it.

bitmap please change your avatar to the splatoon girl because you sound tonally different and i need to know if thats because your avi

I might do Touhou. Lemme think about it.

I don't get it.

click each different letter of your name and you get a different reason I scumread you

my reads and reasoning aren't secret at all, I feel like I've been super transparent about them lol

-s

I still don't get it.

FL is known to be a strong player and has strong relations with Alisae. I know this sounds WIFOM but there's a good chance Ali might opt to not pick FL because e thinks FL is an easy mislynch as a result. Does this mean it's confirmed that Ali didn't pick FL? No. But I'm willing to give FL a pass today and see how he plays out in D1/D2 because if he's town, he's a viable asset and I think can help us lynch scum.

okay so putting alisae pick wifom aside how is this not Boon playing his scumgame to a T?

-S

I've never played with FL. I know from word of mouth that he's supposedly pretty good. And I met Ali and FL in a Cali meet which is why I said "strong relations". As I said in my post, I think for now FL is probably leaning town.

Do you know FL pretty well?

I still don't get it tbh.

I would add these to the reasons I want to lynch bitmap, bringing the total number of posts I want to lynch him for up to 9 total.

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

What do you mean by pick spec? I’m scumreading them for their reaction.

oh okay, which post(s) specifically, I'll reread

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[Sherlock and Watson]

like I am having a really hard time trying to get through all of this

so why are you watching it?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Here's my suggestion

Spoiler:

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[Sherlock and Watson]

I kinda buy that Drixx joined the game thinking he would not have to effort about his own alignment and now is annoyed that he's not a mason?

Also thinking there's scum inside Boon/FA/Espe seems both reasonable and intuitive given the gamestate at the time the reads were given?

The only scummy thing in that group is Bitmap arguing, totally without justification, that there is NOT scum inside Boon or Espe, which he only later explains is due to wifomy pick spec that seems unconvincing. I don't see why he was so confident in rejecting Drixx's PoE there.

I'd say it'll be easier to read RR in time but I know from experience that doesn't tend to be true, they tend to be a slot I second guess myself on a lot but if I was going to scumread them it wouldn't be for any of those tbh.

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Kill Pine to make people not ascetic. We have already had one ascetic claim that he was a powerful role, so to allow a protective to cover that role, Pine needs to go.

Moreover, so other roles can investigate them.

I mean, perhaps, but we don't know if the town even has direct investigatives

maybe it's ALL MASONS and then 3 vigs!

I mean probably not but saying we should lynch a slot off day 1 setup spec seems weaksauce

for all we know scum have 3 different roleblockers and people are ascetic so that they can have night action results

like we can't just presume that the ascetic enabler is exclusively pro-scum based on day 1 setup info

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

I guess that's a fair tonal reaction, I just disagree. If you want to push them off that I'll be curious to see who agrees with you.

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Spoiler: Reading is Tech

Bitmap

This is six different reasons I scumread you

-S

These are six links to the following posts:

Towny bucket: Esp, Pine, FL

I don't think MariaR has ever read me right since Starry Night unless she was scum and I was town. I think it's better to defer to Dunns.

Scum in: {TSE, FL, FA, Espe, S&W} <--- they all have at least weak evidence in my thoughts so far. Generally takes more than that plus Cerb poking logic before I'm more certain though, and it's still pretty early his time.

~D

This is a horrible scum list.

FL is not scum. Espe is not scum. And TSE is just a village idiot with a high chance of being town but annoying.

Would Ali draft Ank ever?

Looks like it wants me to vote FL.
VOTE: FL

You had a scum read on Pine but you vote FL???????

Ok just carry me in main thread.

All of which I find scummy

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Actually Sherlock, I know for a fact that you've seen players that have been even more overtly confident than me in their reads this early on in other games that ended up being town (RE: Magical Girls).

So I think your reasoning is kind of bad.

I'm not critiquing you for confidence, I'm critiquing you for confidence *on those slots*, which consists of almost half my PoE. That makes it feel like you're not so much in "bad reads" territory as "scum agenda" territory but who knows, it's still early

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Also I think I've been clear that I did not actually read the vast majority of HoS nor do I care to reread it so not sure why you're saying I should remember something from it

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

I'm not saying my reads are better than Drixx, I feel like I agree with Drixx, and you going after Drixx's reads with weird confidence seems sus

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

So your vote from page 4 came from a single post that Bitmap made, and you’ve barely advocated for more support for his lynch. I don’t like the looks of that.

So you're just not reading the thread at all then?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

[Read reserved for 3 days, 4 hours, 54 minutes - Ankamius]

[Sherlock and Watson]

ank you don't think alisae favors day play? I would be really surprised if e picked someone for mech play tbh

-s

lmao

I don't need someone for mechanical play
I am the mechanical carry xD

I believe this tbh

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Not really? I think my reads are better kappa.

that would make sense if your reads made sense

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

In my mind bitmap should be the day 1 lynch and I wanted to see if you'd reach that conclusion as well before meta was involved

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

Where have you asked for people to vote Bitmap with you?

it's also just way too early in the game to bother cheerleading votes, right now the priority is solving so this is a really bad argument

I don't hate my solve but the game is not by definition solvable yet

FA still hasn't posted, I've been asking people on how to solve chemist, M+K is a problem slot, and I need to decide whether TSE is a quarantine read or a townread

I'm not ready for the day to end yet and even if I was I wouldn't be cheerleading votes

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

At least I explained myself more extensively than your reads. So yes, I think my reads hold merit.

You said RR was scum for PoEing Boon and Esp when your reasons for townreading Boon is 100% pick spec and your reasons for townreading Esp is because he's posting

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Oh okay so now we're just complaining about playstyle

okay I'll be back when there's a conversation worth having in this thread

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Sherlock, where is Watson?

With my daughter at basketball/dance/dinner until later tonight.

~W

[Sherlock and Watson]

VOTE: bitmap

the ppp has arrived again

unity comrades

unity

Long live the PPP!

Sherlock, of course, has been invited to join despite lacking in avian heritage.

~W

[Sherlock and Watson]

Can we maybe not do nazi jokes tho

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

Wouldn't that be 'The Party' then?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

VOTE: Boon

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Don't mind this

Spoiler:

Masonry: Hectic, AaronFrost, Pine

Townbin: RR

Townlean: OkaPoka, GG, TrueSoulEnergy

Town side of null: Amrun

[Read reserved for (expired on 2020-02-11 19:53:24) - Ankamius]

Sorting Pool: FA

Null: Chemist, Spiffeh

Re-evaluate: Espeonage

Scumlean: Maki & Kaito

Scumbin: FlavorLeaf, Bitmap

Kill with fire:

-Sherlock

[Sherlock and Watson]

Spoiler: Mason Eyes Only

What do you think of GG? Of the currently active posters he's the only one I'd consider for recruitment. What do you think?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

@Sherlock: If I can't say the "r" german word, can you stop listing people under "Masonry"?

but if I backpedal that language now scum might be convinced that I am not a commuting mason in a PT with Hectic and AaronFrost, and we don't want them to think that now do we?

If you prefer you can replace it with 'townblock' in your mind but calling it 'masonry' in a game with a confirmed masonry is way spicier

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

but the boon wagon is so young, you want to suffocate it in its crib already?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

amrun is definitely the weaker of the ascetic ccs but I feel like we're not likely to get a spicy reaction from her when she's totally absent from the thread

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

I meant to quote this post but forum derped.

and say what about it? confused

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

does town ank ever

yes

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

[Sherlock and Watson]

I like your other head since I'm more on the same page with that head tbh.

what's the Watson head posted that you like?

This is actually a good question unless you can read Sherlock's and my discussions.

[Sherlock and Watson]

I like your other head since I'm more on the same page with that head tbh.

what's the Watson head posted that you like?

This is actually a good question unless you can read Sherlock's and my discussions.

Oh poo.

~W

[Sherlock and Watson]

We had similar thoughts regarding Chemist.

Ah - Sherlock shared my thoughts there.

~W

[Sherlock and Watson]

Which were? I keep seeing Chemist's name pop up but as if he's already been sorted.

Oh - he hasn't been sorted definitively, but my experience with town!Chemist is he has his current number of posts at endgame as town.

[Sherlock and Watson]

Which were? I keep seeing Chemist's name pop up but as if he's already been sorted.

Oh - he hasn't been sorted definitively, but my experience with town!Chemist is he has his current number of posts at endgame as town.

~W

signing is hard

[Sherlock and Watson]

Just copy/paste:
Flavor Leaf

then highlight the text and click the "vote" button

ezpz

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

So tell us about your relationship with Alisae. How long have you two been seeing each other?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

"Do we vote people in this game???????"

Love it FL!

this can be s/s

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Ali did you take my advice?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Wat now

did u red a buk?

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

Prodding Amrun & Pine.

ahh shit I better not be wrong in the masonry

Pine do I need to go over there and spank you bruddah?

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

heeeeeeeeey ank-channnnnnn <3

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

ank-samaaaa

how 2 red bitmap?

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

okie dokie

who do we nuke? boon or dunn?

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

she has spoken

VOTE: BOON

BOON FOR THE BOON GODS!

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

speak the words boon

you know you want to

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

BOON FOR THE BOON GODS!

Say it boon!

You know you want to lynch scum this game!

Join us in the greatest of all wagons!

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

YESSS! FUEL FOR THE BOON FIRES!

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

You wanna know who Ali would never draft.

ME!

Secretly though Boon, you must be scum

You see, I am a night 0 disloyal Beer Vendor, and here you are acknowledging receipt of the beer, a "draft"

we gotcha boon, you can't deny it, it's right there

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

I feel this isn’t fair. Most of my posts this game prior to today had literally been directed towards Bitmap, and Titus, Bitmap, Alisae, Math, and Chkflip just met up like a week and a half ago, so there’s momentum from that.

I think it’s more than just pick spec as you mentioned. I think Bitmap’s read and the fact that he is having trouble expressing it completely in the first part is incredibly townie.

I feel like I don't totally understand what you mean here. You think Bitmap is keeping you out of the poe because there was a group meetup and he doesn't want to lynch people from the meetup? or if not I don't know what you're saying here

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

townTurkeyBacon.

TurkeyBacon = bitmap?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Let me know when you have reads of Espe + Maki/Kaito

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

I don’t know if I’m scum reading it per say, because I expected town to come to me eventually, but idk. However, I do think the Turkey is town based on the posts I saw around this, and just in general, I think the headspace is coming from townTurkeyBacon.

oh okay these are just general notes for page 42

it's kinda hard to follow your catchup when you do it like that lol

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Is this a MariaR and Dunnstral hydra?

Yes
Maki=Maria
Kaito=Dunnstral

[Sherlock and Watson]

Also, RadiantCowbells (town) vs Flavor Leaf (scum) should be next.

that might be nice if each had a hard mechanical cap of like at most 50 posts per dayphase in the main thread

(cough cough)

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

I say that as I might actually catch Alisae somehow

and this on the account where I usually plan to actually be less present but somehow I get dragged into the shit every time

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

I wanna say that TSE is really strong at reading the gamestate in an extremely wide surface level kind of way, which I believe is extremely helpful in specific ways.

what game makes you say this?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Damn it Maki are you sure you're the same alignment as Kaito?

Every time you post I'm like, aww it's Makiiiiii

Every time Kaito posts I want to burn your slot down LOL

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Watson is PENGIIIII and he's been busy with family stuff

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Pine did not answer me so my want to kill him and confusion for why he is tr is still high. Oka and Bitmap are also people I want dead atm. Any takers? No? Good because that would require me to read more of the game.
Pedit: What exactly do you sr Kaito for?

He was like nitpicking the fact that I thought bitmap was scum but also scumread boon for making a post that seemed to be pocketing bitmap (which sure, would seem to imply bitmap town, but this is boon we're talking about) but he didn't like, actually push me for it so I didn't really get the point of what he was doing was other than just sort of pointlessly shading me and nagging me about not over-explaining reads

And yeah I disagree with almost every position Bitmap has taken but when I checked in with Watson he was a bit less interested in nuking that slot now than he was before so trying to decide if I should actually re-evaluate.

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

I want you to find 1 scum game by me where this is transparently scum me prior to my posting this night.

Keep in mind, I had 12 posts by page 48 -ish.

Go find 1 scum game where it’s like that, and you can say it’s transparently my scum game.

VOTE: Sherlock

Being forgettable is kinda what I remember about you from EICN which is probably the most significant scum game I've played with you where I was town

Your catchup is a bit better though tbh

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Oh yeah, you had a slow start in OK2 as well so I think both times I was town and you were scum you began the game feeling kinda meh

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

You still haven't given me a read of Kaito btw, can you get on that before you play the change-your-read-of-me game for like 2 pages

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

I had 400+ posts in EICN

yeah at the end of the game but the beginning of your iso is pretty much all blahhhhh + pockety posts with minimal solving/spice

anyway, kaito read plz

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

What other takes do you have for me?

idk if you + boon are town then I guess I'd go back to bitmap but I feel like I have 0 momentum there

I probably have to do a hard reset on this game

I feel like Alisae almost by definition had to pick someone inside {bitmap, espeonage, boon, you} but I'm already second-guessing everything about each of those slots lol

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

so you’re saying I was forgettable here, right?

you were non-existent lol

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Pedit: You should explain why those 4 to the public. I already know the answer, but I wanna hear it .

presumably cause Ali wants to win? LOL

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Why did you not request me to come post or talk to me.

The way your schedule works I don't feel like asking you to post more has ever actually caused you to post more and often causes you to post less?

I feel like you're at least marginally more readable when you just do stuff at your own pace. That and while we've played a lot I feel like my overall track record on reading you is ~meh

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

And that’s AI?

I don’t do solvey/analysis posts as scum?

I think there's noticeable differences in the way you solve the game as town vs. scum, yeah. Or at least there have been in the games I've played vs. you

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

OkaPoka
Espeonage
Bitmap

you don't see any of these three as heavies from Alisae's POV?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Why would Ali not pick Amrun? Isn't Amrun pretty well regarded?

And why is Oka "under the radar"?

Your characterizations of people seems kinda?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

If this is the topic of conversation for the evening I'm tagging in Kaito and going to bed.

yeah the way he's doing it seems kinda passive-aggressive and uncool

I didn't realize boon was gonna neg half the player list when I poked the boon fire

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Not in the same sense. I don’t see them as Captain running the town kind of scum, if that makes sense.

They’re more deepwolf, really strong scum for the late game side of things whilst being able to backup the scum being at the forefront.

Oka isn't captain but is instead deepwolf...?

Like I don't even scumread Oka but that just is not how I view his range at all, he's definitely a very strong player and definitely capable of Captaining stuff

I don't really think this is a particularly productive approach the gamestate. You can't just read Dunn's iso and tell me why I'm wrong and he's actually town?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

I have no idea what Ali's relationship to everyone is like, I kinda liked the way Amrun claimed and now I'm more just waiting for her to return to the thread, so I haven't put almost any thought into whether Ali would or wouldn't pick her. Like if I already have a scumread on someone then I might consider that, but I think it's super unhealthy for the game to start with that as the main question tbh, I think you should stop

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

And what did you expect by poking the Boon Fire?

I was expecting you to become readable and/or start solving the game, so it basically worked, I just wasn't expecting the extra dose of condescension toward half the playerlist tbh

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Don't mind this

Spoiler:

Masonry: Hectic, AaronFrost, Pine

Townbin: RR

Townlean: OkaPoka, GG, TrueSoulEnergy, Flavor
Leaf

Town side of null: Amrun

[Read reserved for (expired on 2020-02-11 19:53:24) - Ankamius]

Sorting Pool: FA

Null: Chemist, Spiffeh

Re-evaluate: Espeonage

Scumlean: Maki & Kaito

Scumbin: Bitmap

Kill with fire:

I don't really love my poe right now UNVOTE:

gonna probably have to refresh tomorrow after some sleep

Kinda like Maki's tone here but not sure enough to undo the damage Dunn did to my read there earlier

Watson doesn't want to nuke Bitmap last I checked

reads are fucked lolololol good night

-Sherlock

[Sherlock and Watson]

Does Alisae have access to the Mafia PT and can talk in it?

I'm like ready to town boon but I actually feel really surprised this is a question he is asking, almost too much?

idk maybe not

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

One of Krazy hydra/Ankamius, but exactly one of them.

You're kinda looking at this the wrong way though

Duck and SS get to pick

If Ali goes first and does a top priority heavy that isn't Ank, then Duck could very easily double on us for town

Which is precisely why you're basically just looking at the pick logic totally wrong, you're over-prioritizing what is actually an incredibly difficult puzzle to analyze. Focus on play, Boon, before you actually make me want to policy lynch you for real Like half of what you've said since you stopped actually solving is like pure cancer

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

The masonry is outed?

Yeah I'm masons with Hectic and Aaron

:3

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

You say this without reading, Oka, right?

Like can you put a marker in for where you start actually reading isos and stuff again because your reads when you start trying to solve the game without reading it tend to be pretty bad.

If you've actually read Oka's iso (not that long) then maybe you can expand on your experience with him and your typical readrate?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Aaron and Hectic were lean towns for me from my read through, I commented on my AF read, so that’s good that my gut was right with them.

Pine being a mason actually helps a lot, and lowers a heavy pick.

hmmmmmmmmmm

I claim masons and Boon does not get the joke

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

HMMMMMMMM

hmmmm

nah not gonna think more about it right now

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Aaron and Hectic were lean towns for me from my read through, I commented on my AF read, so that’s good that my gut was right with them.

Pine being a mason actually helps a lot, and lowers a heavy pick.

Maki/Krazy-PP/Ank is a semi POE.

Like you believe me when I say I'm masons with Hectic and Aaron, but then simultaneously believe I'm in your PoE?

Boon do you need some sleep?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Wait, was I not getting the counter-joke? Shit did I ruin it?

Ah well I already knew I needed sleep

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

There's no actual masons claimed that was just me posting my townblock, just so this doesn't actually get stupid

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

But I kinda believe you... so in a world where you're scum I kinda believe you're not scum with Aaron/Hectic/Pine

But that doesn't help much since you're probably not scum at this point

ah well

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

ali if I masonize 8 people and they're all town would you concede the game?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

[Sherlock and Watson]

[Sherlock and Watson]

Tse, boon, hectic, gg

You might be right on aaron
I think i was right on pine but need more now tbh

I'm like two locktowns from this game being auto if we can shore up pine and aaron reads

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

This question is within your interests tho
When the fuck you coming back to the bay

Current plan is may unless certain work things happen

-s