Titus v. Alisae [dead & spec thread]

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Wait what? RR is scum?

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The venge didn't work... on RR... because of the ascetic... not because RR is bulletproof?

That literally makes no sense.

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The venge didn't work... on RR... because of the ascetic... not because RR is bulletproof?

That literally makes no sense.

no. it failed because of the bulletproof.

What is RR's role and alignment?

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I'm literally so confused.

If RR is the last scum with ascetic bulletproof, or honestly even just bulletproof, I will save my comments for endgame because they are not nice.

Otherwise, last scum is within {Hectic, Ank, FL} just by nature of the night actions.

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WOW.

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WOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooW.

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Walking away from the computer.

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Literally how do you think that's balanced...?

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Spoiler:

You realize that Alisae chose the scum roles, not us, right?

Spoiler: uh...

and you gave us nothing to deal with the scum roles... so thanks?

The fact that we have to KILL a town role to be able to deal with RR's role is ????? levels of bad design.

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The fact that we have to kill pretty much our only GOOD investigative to deal with one of the scum is... just... like... so terrible.

So.
So.
Terrible.

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It's not as if town has a god-given right to guilty every scum

quoted for immense truth

Fundamentally disagree with this as a premise.

one ROLE shouldn't be able to guilty every scum.
Heck two roles shouldn't be able to guilty every scum.

But, every scum should be guiltyable.

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I find it odd that Ali chose RR in the first place. Seems like a missed opportunity on e's part.

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1. point remains: the role is guiltiable. 2. there are hints in the setup that there is a scum ascetic. 3. there are ways to remove ascetic and deal with the role.

1. Ok.
2. Ok.

That's fine, I agree with you there.

3. I feel like you are really underestimating how detrimental it is to remove town's most powerful role to remove scum's most powerful role.

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I think the fact that I did not know RR is why I found them so blatantly scummy. They have 0 pedigree or weight in my mind, so them not doing anything isn't like RC or Ank trying to hatch a plan, it just looks scummy to me.

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1. point remains: the role is guiltiable. 2. there are hints in the setup that there is a scum ascetic. 3. there are ways to remove ascetic and deal with the role.

1. Ok.
2. Ok.

That's fine, I agree with you there.

3. I feel like you are really underestimating how detrimental it is to remove town's most powerful role to remove scum's most powerful role.

3 is actually worse in my mind because a very real world exists where we lose the Enabler Flavor Cop + another power role (Amrun's role/Mason) just to have a CHANCE to deal with scum's most powerful role lol

I dunno. If the enabler had been separate from flavor cop I wouldn't be upset I think. The fact that it's joined... is just like so much ugh from my perspective. Seems like you are cutting off your arm to save the body, but I feel like that punishes town disproportionately than scum.

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It's ok. The logic is still there though that the last scum HAS to be a joat, so hopefully they can burn through those lynches and still win. I just hate that my last comments in the masonry are that RR is town because "that role makes 0 sense to be scum!" because objectively it does make 0 sense to be scum lmao

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But when I made those comments I did forget that Ali could design the roles entirely

Oh well

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I was actually really surprised Ali drafted me bc the only game I played with em previously was Mainstream Mafia II. E did invite me to play though.

You were totally a deepwolf draft

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I knew Ali was trying to pull some wool with the reveal of the hoods. At least my analysis about Ali trying to conf the remaining person in the {Chemist, AF, RR} hood seems to be true.

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I was actually really surprised Ali drafted me bc the only game I played with em previously was Mainstream Mafia II. E did invite me to play though.

You were totally a deepwolf draft

there was a list of ~4 people ali was looking for a deepwolf in; e went for aaron there. i probably would've gone for chemist in the same group.
ss and i were pretty defensive with drafting

What was your draft? Spiffeh Ank 1/2?

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I was so sad when Spiffeh died N1. He was a great mason partner! Very methodical and thorough.
I was quite frankly shocked when MK flipped scum day 1, but I tend to inherently scumread Maria.

When did the scum realize I was a mason?

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ugh ali you suck for bp ascetic ub

what kind of nonsense is that

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I take back what I said about the design being "WTF ANGER BAD" and think the only misstep is putting the cop on the Enabler. Any other iteration with the enabler on something else and I think this is balanced well enough

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Now I see what you mean by defensive

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ya exactly
i was anxious about picking FL/FA there because they're both fucking huge wildcards but ali went sideways with the bitmap pick for synergy with M&K

i think in retrospect this worked out better for us than em but in another universe, they could've pulled some wicked stuff off.

Yeah I think Bitmap there is a stretch cause he could have gotten him at the AF level most likely. Was unfortunate the whole scumteam was pretty heavily suspected day 1 and 2 though. Wasn't much wiggle room to work with

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Well, this game was fun! Honestly did not expect to be drafted by either team, let alone as a mason for Titus. Curious to read the pts when they thought I was mason. I felt like Titus kinda blew my cover when she crumbed to Amrun.

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Spoiler: Town

1. Spiffeh
2. Sherlock and Watson
3. Maki and Kaito
4. Amrun
5. OkaPoka
6. Chemist
7. Ankamius
8. Pine
9. Reasonably Rational
10. Flavor Leaf
11. Bitmap
12. Hectic
13. Espeonage
14. AaronFrost
15. TrueSoulEnergy
16. Frozen Angel
17. gobbledygook

Spoiler: Scum

1. Ankamius
2. Flavor Leaf
3. OkaPoka
4. Frozen Angel
5. Amrun
6. Hectic
7. Maiki and Kaito
8. Spiffeh
9. Espeonage
10. TrueSoulEnergy

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Just like reading the last two pages of the mason pt is so tragic because I forgot that Ali could design the roles

lel

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They are all onto RR. I hope that Titus relents on her friendship with them

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Damn RR really mirrored their town game in the eventuality someone would check em out, I actually have mad respect for that.

#fuck meta

That’s a terrible meta if true