Mini Normal 2118: Boon Gets Pretentious - [Day 4]

[Karnage]

Going to start reading tonight. Hope to be caught up tomorrow morning. Anything I should know?

[Karnage]

Read through real quick but will have to go back and take a closer look at a couple things

I'd be down with an ame lynch right now. not a fan of insomnia either. Wouldn't be upset by a clidd or djstr lynch either

[Karnage]

VOTE: Karnage

I think Wimpy was BSing. He's stubborn but not unreasonable. If someone makes a point to change what he dislikes, I think he would adjust his perspective on them accordingly. I had completely retracted my low post reasoning on him once I realized he was V/LA, but he kept ignoring that and speaking as if it weren't the case. He also made it seem like he didn't know what I meant about him emulating himself, then perfectly explained it to insomnia later on. The replace out is NAI.

Nah I think I'm right here.

TRing Flippy

I feel better about Aaron from this last page. I still want an answer to my question though Aaron, it wasn't rhetorical!

Pedit: VOTE: Luca

Nope!

Ame, can you walk me through these posts? what happened to your scum read on me?

[Karnage]

Sorry replaced in and some IRL stuff came up. Will try to be around tomorrow

Feel free to lynch ame until then

[Karnage]

@karnage– got any reads?

Still think ame is scum. Spent the end of day 1 trying to deflect votes off of insomnia. I'm not convinced scum wouldn't have been on the insomnia wagon

[Karnage]

It's not the preferred situation for him, but there was about 12 hours left on the deadline when he was put at L-1. It would've been nearly impossible for him to turn the target on someone else, especially after the mason claims.

But what's the advantage of hammering?

That's what I'm trying to figure out

if the lynch is inevitable self hammer is the right move. it denies town the chance to learn more about who else could be scum

[Karnage]

if Karnage comes back and tries to defend Somni, that incriminates him.

Defend him how? He's confirmed scum. I've already given my thoughts on scum self hammering

[Karnage]

Where you at right now for Somni's partner?

I still don't like ame but maybe its confirmation bias? idk

I have trouble seeing any sort of logical progression in their voting

[Karnage]

@insomnia why the lurk mode?

INSOMNIA WHY ARE YOU LURKING

No survivors

lol

I guess we can try insomnia

VOTE: Insomnia

L2

@PRETENTIOUS, Luca is voting Insomnia

post 878

Willing to bet that this sequence is ame trying to get his scum partner to get into the game and then giving up at the end of the day and hoping for town cred by being on the lynch

[Karnage]

Would like to see a shotgun reafs list from both Aaron and Karnage. Explanations aren't necessary but would be helpful; just want to see where they are for reads.

Ame > Dsjstr > AaronFrost > Hectic = clidd

That's the order I'd lynch in. Emperor flippyNips is confirmed town

The neighborhood thing is interesting. I don't have much experience with them. Is there any trend as far as them being town/town or town/scum?

[Karnage]

dsj wasn't online to vote neither was Karnage. If you could have convinced me to switch back to Karnage

Somni would have been saved

this is a fucking scum claim lol

[Karnage]

VOTE: ame

I don't think I ever actually voted him

[Karnage]

dsj wasn't online to vote neither was Karnage. If you could have convinced me to switch back to Karnage

Somni would have been saved

this is a fucking scum claim lol

@ame, why use "saved" here?

[Karnage]

Hectic was trying to save Somni with that last minute case on you. He thought he could convince me to switch back to you. And had I did, either you would have been lynched or it would have been a NL (probably not though as Luca and flippy would switch over as well to avoid it)

Why did you switch from me to insomnia?

[Karnage]

After Luca started to really push for insomnia you (ame) obviously wanted anybody but him lynched:

I don't think there's anything to gain from a Somni town flip

either.

I don't think he lied, I think it's a misunderstanding. I do see why you think he's scum, but I think you should make an attempt at reading it from a townSomni perspective. I agree with him that backed down and falling under pressure are similar enough concepts to be used interchangeably.

No worries, feel better!

(

And join me on Karnage when you come back online!

)

Hectic I'm thinking about Clidd

@Clidd, now that you know flippy is mason, shouldn't the game be solved for you as dsjstr and hectic?

Ok well vote Karnage then. You're voting the only person that doesn't help you figure out the game.

and this is probably the point you gave up:

No survivors

lol

I guess we can try insomnia

VOTE: Insomnia

[Karnage]

it will only quote that part!

you have my eternal gratitude! never knew that

[Karnage]

I think we should mass claim. We can survive one more mislynch and I think we want to make sure there is as much info as possible for lylo

[Karnage]

VT, I guess only clidd is left?

[Karnage]

Karnage, give me some thoughts please. You've had no reaction to your top scumread flipping town. Like, what's changed for you?

You said this earlier: Ame > Dsjstr > AaronFrost > Hectic = clidd

Is this still the case with Ame cut out, and then why Doro next?

I think dsjstr=scum is the most likely solve right now. its more like a coin toss between aaron and clidd now

[Karnage]

I am regular neighbor and

how do we know there is not a mafia cop?

where does this come from?

[Karnage]

Still feels like it's Karnage, he's just not doing enough and kinda feels like semi-defeated scum right now. I've played with town!Karnage once before and he did more than this, though his tone was similar in the way he just feels apathetic I guess. But in addition to the weird hard tunnel from Wimpo which he actually talked about being one of his go to scum strats in another game means this is the best vote right now.

VOTE: Karnage

This is fair. I've been having trouble getting into this game. I really thought ame was scum (especially after the insomnia flip) and now I'm kind of at a loss. We have a lynch to spare so if my mislynch is what's needed for town to sort things out I won't oppose it.

I will try and take some time today to devote to the game in the meantime.

[Karnage]

I can't see a scenario where scum is first to vote their partner then the partner self hammers. That makes me think clidd is likely town. Hectic feels like a solid town read so it leaves djstr and aaron.

[Karnage]

This + insomnia's tone in general is pretty townie

I think insomnia is town actually.

Still like my insomnia read.

\The close-mindedness of Insomnia’s Luca/Flips push is so lazy and terrible that he’s probably scum.

This is the kind of statement that I almost never expect to come from town!Luca nor was insomnia pushing a Luca/flippynips team. He said it was a TMI read which implies that you both can't be scum together.

I still think insomnia is town honestly.

I don't think scum gets that deathtunneled on a slot he knows to be town. I have my reservations about whether the mason claim could be faked, but that feels like a big risk to take even in a closed setup.

Lot strong town reads and some defense of scum!insomnia

And I gave my reasons for 'slapping a TR on him'.

This feels just like in the last game where I suspected you, and you tried to deflect from it by suspecting me in return.

Why didn't you mention any of this before I called you out?

I was catching up from like page 15 or so last night and the posts that I'm scumreading you for happened after that point. I was going to call you out for them, but you called me out before I got the chance.

And like, think about it, would scumme seriously try the same deflection tactic on the same person two games in a row? I think you and I are both smart enough at this game to know that I wouldn't do that.

I think Frost would try to improve as scum and don’t see anything in this game he couldn’t have faked so far. We could go in circles here.

Yeah of course I would try to improve, but you're molding your read on me under that assumption instead of actually evaluating my play here.

So IF I am scum trying to improve my play here, then WHY would I attempt the same deflection tactic that I did on you in Mini 2115 in this game with a similar playerlist AND knowing that it didn't work? That makes no fucking sense.

This meta defense (which I guess is what you would call it) leaves a bad taste in my mouth

[Karnage]

Well it's obvious to me that he was trying to pocket me and he did a pretty good job of that honestly.

Scum don't have daytalk (

unless they have an encrypter that we don't know about

) so if that's the case then scum!Hectic wouldn't be able to say to his buddy "hey don't self-hammer"

If Hectic's most recent scumgame is anything to go off of, he likes to distance from his partners and avoid drawing associations.

Wouldn't your argument about your own meta apply here?

- insomnia pressured myself and Ame early on. I think in a setup with no daychat, it's possible that scum would fake pressure on their partner if they disapproved of their posting. This is something that should be discussed imo.
- He later turned the reads on both of us into townreads. Read into this how you will, but I'm trying to figure scum!somni's motivation for turning his reads around like that.

I think he was trying to pocket me

, but could his turn around on Ame indicate partnership?
-

If he was distancing, it might have been with Wimpy. His play around the Wimpy slot feels like he was trying to avoid tunneling him.

Could be that he disapproved of Ame's tunnel as well, but I think the way Wimpy played around him though doesn't indicate partnership.
-

clidd insistence that insomnia is town is suspicious

as well and he doesn't do much to support that read.
- dsj follow somni onto flippy. I could see scum!dsj voting with his buddy here/trying to protect him. Definitely looks buddyish.
- Hectic barely interacted with somni early in Day 1 which is weird, but the scum!Hectic I just witnessed in Micro 920 interacted with his buddies quite a bit so eh it's probably nothing.
- Gonna be upset is Ame was also trying to pocket me when I was getting pressured by Luca but I think her defense of me was genuine there.
- Luca/Ame/insomnia/me goes on for a literal eternity. Skimmed most of those pages on a reread.
- clidd voted insomnia even though he thought he was town what? I think Ame is town for the hop on in 1004, think she'd be a little more hesitant to vote him there is she was scum with him. Hectic's vote on Karnage after that was bleh as well.

Scumpool right now is {Hectic, dsj, clidd}, if this isn't right then throw Ame in there.

Karnage I don't think is scum simply because of Wimpy's play around somni

, and flippy is obviously conf town.

Shotgun reads from most likely town to least likely town

flippynips (conf town) > Ame > Karnage > Hectic> clidd > dsjstr

I have yet to read most of Day 2 I'll be doing that shortly.

little bit hypocritical to call out clidd for their "insistance" that insomnia is town. Also the town read on me doesn't jive with your thoughts about insomnia distancing from wimpy

Vanilla Townie. Popcorn Hectic

First to claim makes it harder for him to fakeclaim. Curious why you chose hectic to claim instead of clidd who was lower on your list.

Like how likely is it that we have two town masons and two town neighbors?

Scum would have to have like a PT cop or a traffic analyst to counter that

.

dsj are you just a town neighbor or are you something else on top of that?

theres a slot of speculation about scum roles. not sure if its indicative of anything but it stood out to me

[Karnage]

It could be clidd/Insomnnia Hectic/Insomnia, I think we just have to lynch Insomnia

One game, he knew the three mafia on page 7 out of 21.

That's a quick turn around from clidd could be scum to we should trust clidd's reads

@dsjstr

It could be clidd/Insomnnia Hectic/Insomnia, I think we just have to lynch Insomnia

(1) Can you explain how you came to the conclusion that it was Insomnia here? Why was Karnage and Aaron out of the running for you? You had previously stated suspicions on Aaron.
(2) Why didn't you vote Insomnia?
(3) Why would Luca not dying warrant neighbors claiming?
(4) Why do

you

think Somni self-hammered?

1. I put Hectic because of his voting pattern, at the time it made sense to have clidd as a partner don't remember exactly what I was thinking.

2. I was willing to place a vote on clidd at the time

3. Then it would be 4-3 conftown and

an unavoidable town win

.

4. Hide the other scum in the pack of people off the lynch or its Clidd

re: #1 but weren't you voting luca at the time?
re: #2 you said "we just have to lynch insomnia", what does being willing to vote clidd have to do with it?
re: #3 i don't like the phrasing "unavoidable town win"

If everyone thinks that clidd is cleared then this game is still an

unavoidable town win

.

there it is again

Well Hectic avoided going for Insomnia and opted to vote for clidd, with the little vocal support that had it could have been an attempt to get as many people off the insomnia wagon. I had said that clidd could have put his partner in the conftown if clidd was mafia, that was the whole argument for it. I felt insomnia had shown pockety behavior towards me, and based on the interaction between him and Luca he was caught red handed.

At the time I had no reason to think it was not another team.

If I did I would not have had a reason other than a gut feeling. Was not a reason, which is why I never placed that vote on clidd.

I was also not 100% sure it was insomnia

and if I had chosen to switch to insomnia that would have made me seem like I was being opportunistic.

If Luca/Flippy was alive then the game would have been solved. Do you think I would kill Luca because I told you this?

I can tell you I had no idea that heighbors could be mafia, let me check the VC so I don't accidentally hammer you.

so you did think it was another team? then why didn't you unvote luca and vote clidd/insomnia/or hectic? Feels like you are trying to create justification for a shoddy voting progression.

UNVOTE:

Thank you for showing me the truth

Generally I'm ok with the neighbor/mason mixup but this unvote doesn't sit well with me

[Karnage]

The entire day I was either on flippy or Not voting, I never once placed a vote on Luca

gotcha, I guess when you said not voting a mason claim I was thinking luca

You don't like that I unvoted off of a mason claim?

I didn't like when you unvoted ame.

[Karnage]

Could you explain why you think that?

I went back and re-read it with ame's ISO included and I wasn't getting an accurate feel for it.

When I originally read I took the "thanks for showing me the truth" as being sarcastic which is why I thought the unvote was weird. Looking back I don't think that's the case

[Karnage]

Karnage do you have any response to 1,542

Before I hammer you

revoting doesn't make a difference, in fact it makes the unvote even stranger.