Mini Normal 2118: Boon Gets Pretentious - [Day 4]

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VOTE: clidd

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VOTE: ame

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Welcome dsjstr, but damn I’m disappointed creative left. Was looking forward to playing with them.

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Early good feels from dsjstr and Flips, bad feels from Ame and Hectic.

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Their post is so inoffensive and nice, it feels like they’re trying to get on people’s good sides.

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VOTE: Clidd

I don’t like how he’s ignoring this game.

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So far, yes. Not sure I like Luca's clidd vote though.

I have reason to believe Clidd doesn’t like playing as scum, and he’s ignoring this game while being active on site.

I hate making reads on stuff like this, but it is what it is.

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I’ll get to this tomorrow, but does anyone else think Ame’s entrance post was very nice/inoffensive?

That’s certainly the feeling I got from it, so their denying it seems strange to me.

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I also don’t get was unnatural about my ‘unvote’ (which was actually a change in vote) Ame, so perhaps you could elaborate on that.

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So far, yes. Not sure I like Luca's clidd vote though.

I have reason to believe Clidd doesn’t like playing as scum, and he’s ignoring this game while being active on site.

I hate making reads on stuff like this, but it is what it is.

What happened to your Ame read then? No interest in pursuing that further?

Just noticed this.

Nothing happened to my Ame read, but I got pinged by Clidd for the reasons mentioned. I’ve been in two game with him, he was scum in both and did the same thing - posted a couple of times then replaced out, while remaining active onsite. I can conclude from this that he simply hates playing as scum, and my vote will remain on this slot until he starts contributing.

My SR on Ame has since become stronger, however, for reasons I’ve already alluded to and will expand more on soon.

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Spoiler:

Town
AaronFrost

Leaning Town
insomnia
dsjstr
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Hectic

Leaning Scum
Wimpy
clidd
Emperor flippyNips

VOTE: ame

Yeah I didn’t like their opening post either & im liking Aaron rn

Liar.

Early good feels from dsjstr and Flips, bad feels from Ame and Hectic.

Why do you have bad feels on ame.? I get the hectic one

Vote: flippyNips

This is bad - why are you assuming Flips lied, and did not simply agree with my reasoning?

I notice you changed me to a SR from a TR shortly after this post despite the fact I hadn’t posted in between. Should I assume your initial TR was a lie as well?

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In general maybe, but I think in this context it’s justified.

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I’m not bothered about haters, I’m just asking to work out how Ame arrived at that opinion.

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I already think scum is in Ame, Clidd, Hectic.

Ame, Clidd being the most likely pairing atm.

I need to see something from that Clidd slot before I even consider hammering, though.

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What’s the VC?

I’m gonna get caught up in a couple of hours.

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Hectic, unvote Flips please. I want to catch up without worrying about a lolhammer.

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Just catching up now...

Yes!

Vote: flippy

Also thank you for the quotes. I had actually completely missed that you had already started to consider town Aaron before you logged off.

Why did you wait for Insomnia to get on-board with your Flippy SR before voting yourself?

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Somni is currently my town axiom, essentially playing the game on the assumption they are town. they remain this way until/unless the game becomes inconsistent with this assumption. Also my initial impression of their interaction with you is someone trying to scum hunt with scare resources

The first part of that made me ask myself whether you have read any of my posts but I guess you skimmed some of em.

My question was if you town read me on auto and didn't try to read my posts because that's what scum often do to me, they town read me asap and don't want to deal with me.

If so, you jumping the gun on Wimpy's point seemed opportunistic because you left from the premise of I'm town, you didn't read my posts and then at the first sight you vote me. Especially when your slot was quite under some scrutiny.

So, is your town read on me any serious or where are you at wrt my slot?

I like this thought-process.

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I’ll get to this tomorrow, but does anyone else think Ame’s entrance post was very nice/inoffensive?

That’s certainly the feeling I got from it, so their denying it seems strange to me.

What about it gave you that impression? The only person I addressed in a forward-looking manner was creative. The other portions were a silly Sci-Fi opening, the expression of a null read, and a joke about flippy's GIFs. As for Creative, I mentioned elsewhere that I'm a cooperative player that likes to bounce things off of my town reads. Creative mentioned this same process in his opening post, which is I why I felt we'd get along well.

It seemed as though you were trying really hard to be likeable with the jokes. The Creative comment, and the comments towards Flips and Insomnia looked as though you were trying to build rapport.

It was certainly nice and inoffensive imo, which isn't necessarily scummy in itself, but the fact you've not only tried to deny being nice but also make out you were being mean in said post is puzzling to me, as I really got the opposite impression.

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I also don’t get was unnatural about my ‘unvote’ (which was actually a change in vote) Ame, so perhaps you could elaborate on that.

You unvoted an active slot that was under pressure in favor of an inactive slot. It didn't seem like a natural switch.

Do you still feel it was unnatural, given the context I provided?

I also felt a little better by your 84, until I realised you weren't joking when you said you were being mean in your entrance post.

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Oh, so you were joking about it.

Nice and friendly, yeah. Is there a different meaning to the word 'nice' I was unaware of?

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@Luca

can you link me to the games where clidd replaced out as scum? I do want more from that slot so hopefully they either post some reads soon or get replaced.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=81952

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=81816

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Are y'all just like coldhearted mafia consumers? To me, mafia is a social game, and I enjoy making friends in the process.

No, but being overly friendly/nice/inoffensive, especially early on, is something I always look out for as I believe it comes more often from scum than Town.

Creative's was pretty friendly as well, but I got a townie vibe from it which I didn't from yours.

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Her progression on you was really town and can be followed through easily, it’s too complex to even be prepared in advance / damage controlled (as in lying after being caught , not pre-planning)

I disagree that the progression was necessarily Town; I could see scum making a similar progression and trying to undo the damage.

I think Wimpy is Town atm.

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Your reading of the Ame situation seems to reflect my own.

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250 - I don't really get why Clidd has me as lock town for the posts he linked. Why would you TR someone for common sense?

And how is the post below common sense or even town-indicative?

Welcome dsjstr, but damn I’m disappointed creative left. Was looking forward to playing with them.

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I also don't get what is scummy about Ame's 73.

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I keep getting mixed up between Insomnia, Flips and Clidd as they all have dark avatars.

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291 - surely Hectic should ask why Insomnia thought it was a 13p game before saying it might be a townslip?

he question loses all meaning then, and makes me wonder if he just wanted to point it out for town credit.

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Why does it lose meaning? I asking the question because I think it has potential to be a townslip, but I wanna check.

Because once you make him aware it might be a townslip, it would obviously influence his answer (especially if he is scum).

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I've caught up, but will need to do some deeper digging.

I feel Flippy is Town; I have a fair bit of experience with him and this effortless posting style in town-indicative of him imo. I've seen him mislynched too many times off the back of it and I'm not letting it happen again on D1.

Hectic and Clidd are my top two SR's right now. I'm less sure about Ame.

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Just catching up now...

Yes!

Vote: flippy

Also thank you for the quotes. I had actually completely missed that you had already started to consider town Aaron before you logged off.

Why did you wait for Insomnia to get on-board with your Flippy SR before voting yourself?

Don't really like this post, I don't think it accomplishes anything and is just trying to paint Ame scummy. After I sifted through this post, i think the mentality behind it is luca "scum reading" ame and trying to paint her scummy, rather than trying to deduce her alignment here, with that leading question. What is ame even supposed to answer to that?

I also don't like that the progression is

>scum reading ame
>ending to a town read
>at the end of the debate, luca still says "meh it could come from scum easily". If you are starting to town read the slot, why even point that out? Admittedly this could be just the natural progression through the catchup which i didn't check, but it still feels as though he wants to keep ame in check when he doesn't have what for

Its purpose was to understand why Ame waited for you to vote Flippy before voting herself, and also to display my thoughts as I caught up. I don’t see why that’s not something that couldn’t be answered, if it was done for genuine reasons.

Where did I say I TR Ame? And even if I were TR’ing her, why wouldn’t I point that out? If someone draws flawed conclusions on someone then I’m going to point it out regardless of my read on that person.

For example, Clidd hard townreads me based on what I consider flawed reasoning. I know I’m Town, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to ignore it.

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Luca, what does scum!Flippo look like? And why do you SR me?

Wimpo, am I right in assuming you think clidd is town despite pushing you?

Scum!Flippy tries to look good. Town!Flippy does whatever. This is exactly the same as Town Flippy from my experience with him.

I'll get onto why I SR you in a bit.

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As long as we vote Emperor, Dsjstr or Hectic today, we're good.

VOTE: Emperor FlippyNips

If you truly TR me then trust my read on Flips.

I think dsjstr is Town as well. Hectic is a decent option, although I need to review.

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Insomnia could be scum this game, I'm not really vibing with anything he's saying.

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Nah, suddenly changing his mind on someone (like he did with Ame) is something he doesn't really do as scum. He's more careful.

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364 pings me. I feel like he's been overdefending Ame, and then goes onto to SR me partly based on pointing out his reason for TR'ing Ame isn't necessarily valid, because apparently as Town I wouldn't point out such a thing, which is nonsense. then in 368 he wants to '[lynch] Luca or Flippy' which is strange to me, because he appeared to TR me early on but now suddenly wants me lynched based on such reasoning?

It seems like a manufactured SR.

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It's also weird to me how he hasn't confronted Clidd on his reasons for TR'ing me, and ignored Clidd's 'go easy on Luca, he's Town' post after his 364 and before his 368.

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Clidd is probably Town for now just by the fact he's actively contributing.

VOTE: Insomnia

I'll try this for size.

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I felt better by your 84 because it seemed a healthy reaction to my SR, without trying too hard to appease or fight against what I had said.

I then was pinged again when it seemed as though you weren't actually joking about being 'mean' in your entrance post.

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Creative seemed Townie.

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You think as scum he would have just attacked it?

I think it pays well to seem considered. I find he’s overcompensating with regards to Ame - I could agree with him to an extent but it feels too much, and I wouldn’t expect him to TR Ame so strongly based on what she has posted so far.

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It’s not based on a lot, mainly gut feeling. I will elaborate when I’m on a computer and can go through your posts easier.

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Frost, you seem to be cautious and asking passive questions. Did you role scum again?

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Or roll even.

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Ngl, I've disliked the 'feel' of most of your recent posts. It seems as though you're coasting on the TR's you received early on, and are generally fence-sitting or asking passive questions to look busy:

Spoiler:

Yo Aaron, how do you feel about Ame atm?

I don't like their Wimpy read either, feels fabricated and not genuine at all. Their switch of opinion on you was pretty bad too.

Unless this is some wild case of bussing, I'm gonna say that Wimpy/Ame are never scum together here. Ame's forced read on Wimpy + Wimpy being content to deathtunnel Ame feels like a farfetch'd interaction for scum mates to have on Day 1.

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can you link me to the games where clidd replaced out as scum? I do want more from that slot so hopefully they either post some reads soon or get replaced.

Ame's page 9 was pretty good actually but I'm not willing to slap a townread there just yet. Even scum who get heat early can obvtown to take the pressure off of them.

Because he wouldn't say this as scum. We played a game together, and he's acting the same way (he was town that game).

Don't you think that scum!Luca would try to emulate his towngame as much as possible?

I don't have much meta with scum Luca, the one scum game I did play with him he replaced out of so not much to go on there.

I'm at a problem where I have no idea how to read Wimpy's deathtunnel of Ame. Like there's a part of me that thinks that that kind of behavior almost never comes from scum, but I think the way he's going about it is also objectively anti-town.

Hectic, unvote Flips please. I want to catch up without worrying about a lolhammer.

This guy is extremely locktown, I hope you see that too.

This is a bad post to locktown someone off of, scum can easily say things like that to get towncred (I've seen them do it quite a bit too). Not accusing Luca of anything, just throwing that out there.

Because he wouldn't say this as scum. We played a game together, and he's acting the same way (he was town that game).

Don't you think that scum!Luca would try to emulate his towngame as much as possible?

I don't have much meta with scum Luca, the one scum game I did play with him he replaced out of so not much to go on there.

Yes, obviously, but I have personal reasons for considering him locktown.

Such as?

As long as we vote Emperor, Dsjstr or Hectic today, we're good.

VOTE: Emperor FlippyNips

If you truly TR me then trust my read on Flips.

I think dsjstr is Town as well. Hectic is a decent option, although I need to review.

Why do you townread dsj?

well tbf in there i was scum reading billy and not you, you just so happened to replace in that slot and couldn't town tell, so i say that's a really bad pocketing attempt, don't appeal to my emotions as it's not gonna work

Would you mind linking that game for reference?

Regarding 218, I don't like how, when asked about your read on Ame (who is the only player you've pushed so far) you basically just conclude that she and Wimpy aren't scum together, which is a really safe and obvious conclusion to make. You don't really commit to either maintaining your SR or reconsidering it.

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386 - it seems like you feel the need to acknowledge a change in read on Ame as others have done, but again want to keep the option of voting her open if need be, so just fence-sit in a pretty meaningless way. It feels like it's for show rather than actually accomplishing anything,

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And you can appreciate that, fmpov, it looks as though you're posturing?

It seems as though you need the thread to know you're being considered over Ame, even though essentially you've provided nothing new whatsoever. It doesn't seem natural to me, and neither does a number of your other posts in which fence-sit, such as 387, 389.

It's the way you're casting doubt over a read (which isn't necessarily bad) but then hastily adding you don't necessarily SR that player. It feels cautious and more likely to come from scum.

Basically, you're being TR and, if you're scum, have something to hold onto, which ties in with my view that you're playing more cautiously than you were in the early game.

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To finish off the thought from the last line - you are playing more cautiously because you fear losing your TR's, which is causing your play to become stilted.

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I don't like the

'just throwing it out there'

- It doesn't feel like you were trying to sort Clidd with that post or your follow-up posts, which is the only Town explanation for questioning it.

Hectic, for example, questioned it in a way where he was sorting Clidd's alignment, which provides a possible Town motive. I don't see any town motive behind your posts.

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I did bring it up myself, have you not been reading my posts?

250 - I don't really get why Clidd has me as lock town for the posts he linked. Why would you TR someone for common sense?

And how is the post below common sense or even town-indicative?

Welcome dsjstr, but damn I’m disappointed creative left. Was looking forward to playing with them.

420 is related to my initial reason for SR'ing him - he hates playing as scum but is actively contributing here. He can have a pass for now.

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And I gave my reasons for 'slapping a TR on him'.

This feels just like in the last game where I suspected you, and you tried to deflect from it by suspecting me in return.

Why didn't you mention any of this before I called you out?

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VOTE: Frost

Sweet dreams

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Why do you feel better about Frost, and why are you voting me?

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I am Town!Luca but I don't see it.

Point it out for me?

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I agree he is a bit different from the last game, but that doesn't mean he's Town. He was lynched D1 and will obviously look to improve his play.

His points against me were purely defensive. Why did he not mention them until I called him out on it? He did the same thing in the previous game as well.

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I even linked him the games regarding Clidd so he should have already known my reason for not pursuing that initial SR.

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It's basically taking my point and saying 'no u'. It's a common scum tactic. Town do it as well, but it certainly isn't Town-indicative imo.

As I said, I linked him the games regarding Clidd so Frost definitely knew my reasons for initially SR'ing him, and therefore should have known why I TR him for actively contributing. It comes across to me as pure deflection.

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@Clidd looks like your intuition was wrong.

So you're suddenly confident I'm scum based on this, are you?

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You don't have to make an accusation to shade someone, or deflect from a line of questioning towards yourself.

As I've said a few times now, I don't think his 'surprise' is genuine a) due to the timing of it and b) because he already knew why I TR Clidd based on those reasons.

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Want to elaborate on the rest of my play?

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And I think it's unreasonable that you're SR'ing me so strongly because I disagree on Frost.

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So you're suspecting me for two votes during RVS, that have both been fully explained, accepting Clidd's reads even though I didn't accept them as you can see in 352, and for 'not stepping on people's toes', even though I've just been stepping on Frost's and earlier yours, Clidd's and Insomnia's?

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And I think it's unreasonable that you're SR'ing me so strongly because I disagree on Frost.

If you want to admit that your perfect record on Aaron is now broken, I'll drop it

(But not really)

Seriously, your apparent confidence that Frost is Town based on the above is disturbing to me.

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Typically when I say 'above' a new page occurs.

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Here's a similar post from Frost's last scum game:

And why hadn’t you mentioned the ‘lack of Town vibes’ until now? Again, it seems convenient timing.

The timing of your vote is pretty convenient too.

You were scumleaning me, then townleaning me, then scumleaning me again. Explain that progession.

I suspect him and he immediately turns it round to me. He even uses similar wording like '

explain that progression'.

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I believe he was implying an accusation to me here as well.

Are you still unshaken in your belief that I'm scum and Frost is Town?

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Regarding timing, it's probably from being V/LA and in general being in a different time zone to most players. I usually have to catch-up on loads of pages each day.

Regarding soft pushes, I haven't had reason to massively SR anyone until now. I don't see my push on Frost as being soft.

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About to go back to sleep, but will just reply to a couple of points before I do:

The bolded question was rhetorical. It was to make a point, to show Ame’s jump to SR Flips based on a change of mind was bad, especially as she’s just done the same herself. Pointing out hypocrisy in such a way is something I literally do every game, so please don’t try and make out it’s scum indicative.

Different play doesn’t mean different alignment. Insomnia, Ame and apparently myself are all playing differently this game, and yet it seems objectively impossible we could all be a different alignment from the last game. Frost being inquisitive isn’t a town tell - he’s asking passive questions which is the easiest thing to fake.

The close-mindedness of Insomnia’s Luca/Flips push is so lazy and terrible that he’s probably scum.

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And how was I even tunneling Ame at all? That is entirely baseless, as is your assertion that townies only ‘Tunnel’ after lots of probing. Literally everything you’ve said regarding my Ame progression is nonsense.

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‘Pushing all Town slots all game imo’

This is probably the worst argument I’ve ever heard in a game of mafia. What’s to say your idea of who is Town is any more accurate than mine? You’re calling me scum on the assumption that me and Flippy are scum and everyone else is Town - it’s circular reasoning. The only way you can know what alignment the players I’m pushing are is if you’re scum yourself.

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My point was that it couldn’t have been a town tunnel, but thanks for proving my point by implying you weren’t actually tunneling her lmfao

Well, congrats on pointing out the obvious then (even though that wasn’t clear in your post), but I don’t see how a natural conclusion here is ‘if not a town tunnel then must be scum’.

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If me and Flips aren’t scum together, how do you know I’m only pushing Town players?

It’s just a useless argument, and I could say exactly the same about you.

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My point is that it’s faked bravado and not a tunnel, as a tunnel would mean you had previous reasoning that lead up to starting a tunnel. You had none.

That’s literally it.

And I explained that it was a rhetorical question, not bravado.

If someone says a player is scummy for doing something that they themselves have done, I’m going to point it out 100% of the time. You’re trying to make it look like something it isn’t.

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Because I trust my town reads? To be fair you are pushing the obvious ones, it’s not like you’re pushing the people I’m unsure of.

Your flippy read is TMI.

Your Aaron push is bad.

Your Ame progression was scum.

That’s the case.

Why was my Frost push bad?

My Ame progression wasn’t scum at all, repeating the same BS doesn’t make it any more true.

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I don’t know for sure but based on my evaluation right now, these are my thoughts

Stop cherrypicking. Of course I’m gonna scum read you even more if you can’t see certain players that I deem as obvious town as town. What do you even mean????

I mean your point is nonsense. If you’re Town you can’t assume I’m scum based on the assumption that I’m pushing players who are Town. You’re pushing me and Flippy, and I strongly believe we are both Town, so I should use that as a reason you’re scum rather than misguided Town? Oops, more bravado.

The reason I might be cherrypicking is because I’m phone posting in bed about to sleep and just want to reply to the stuff that sticks out the most.

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Why is your immediate thought that I must be scum because I can’t enter your mind?

That line read as scummy to me, rhetorical or not, that’s what it felt to me. Other people can weigh in on this too.

Hey strawman.

I think your play this whole game has been off, as I alluded to earlier. I will elaborate more tomorrow.

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Luca, what are your current reads?

I still TR Flips and dsjstr.

I currently think scum is among Frost, Ame and Insomnia, but need to review Hectic who seemed off earlier.

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Is that an actual thought you have? Lmfao

If you’re gonna push my top town read, especially when we have the same experience with them (Aaron), then why the fuck wouldn’t I scum read you for not seeing what I’m seeing?

He’s playing so differently than his scum game that there’s no world where this guy is scum

And you not seeing it of course is gonna make me scum read you more

It’s just an inane point to make.

I think Frost would try to improve as scum and don’t see anything in this game he couldn’t have faked so far. We could go in circles here.

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I can’t believe that not once in your life as town didn’t scum read someone because they were pushing someone you saw as obvious town

The fact that you’re saying this is untrue and not a metric that town have for evaluating someone is just flat out lying

I’ve never thought on D1 ‘this player must be scum because he’s pushing Town players’.

1) it’s rare I have such confidence in my reads D1 and 2) Town pushing Town is something that happens literally every game.

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BRO WHAT???????????????

IT’S LITERALLY ONE GAME DIFFERENCE APART

nah whoever’s not on this is scum claiming

I’m tunneled

Come at me bro.

I’ve seen Frost as scum twice and his second was so different from his first. There is nothing here that couldn’t not be faked at all. Asking passive questions is easy and safe scum play, and never makes him obvtown.

VOTE: Insomnia

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Dude. You are literally completely different from the last two games I played with you. Ame is completely different from the last game.

Frost being more cautious and asking more questions does not make him obvtown from any reasoned Town perspective.

And as I showed earlier, his response to my pressure was literally the same as the previous game.

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His questions this game are pretty lame too - it’s the easiest thing in the world for any scum player to do to appear busy.

His reaction to my pressure was the same as the previous scum game which you’re conveniently ignoring.

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What even gives you the feeling of frost being cautious?

Try reading my posts.

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Weird dig, but ok.

It would help if you read my posts this game tho as you apparently SR me.

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You’re death tunneling me for my Frost read without even reading why I came to a different conclusion from you, and you expect me to believe you’re Town?

I’m going to bed, will continue this tomorrow.

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Btw that was a rhetorical question, not bravado, as you seem to have a hard time telling the difference.

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The fact Insomnia didn’t read my posts means he also didn’t read Frost’s, yet he’s obvtown?

Insomnia is making up his reads - it makes zero sense to have Frost as obvtown and me as scum for not considering Frost obvtown when he ignored all the relevant material regarding this.

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Insomnia is now trying to make out the Frost thing isn’t the main reason for SR’ing me, even though you can see from his bravado on the other page that it was.

The only other reason is the Ame progression which is BS as I pointed out already.

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My REASONING FOR TOWN READING FROST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW HE RESPONDED TO YOU

Which is kind of my point.

Your read was too easily formed, and you WOULD have taken his reaction to my pressure into account if you were Town.

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Luca’s literally blatantly misrepping me hello???

The bravado was about Ame lmfao

You’re misreading. I was talking about your bravado, not mine.

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What material

Aaron is diametrically opposite from his scum game

You are pushing him

I scum read you

Stop moving goal posts

But if you were Town and we’re actually following what was going on then you’d see his reaction to pressure was the same as his scum game.

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I HAVEN’T READ SO HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW WTF WAS GOING ON?

He reacted to MY pressure and that’s what I’m saying I was town reading, not him reacting to YOURS

You’re not even reading my posts

I am, you’re the one not reading evidently.

His reaction to your pressure wasn’t enough to warrant a locktown read by any stretch.

You’re SR’ing me for pushing ‘town’ players without even reading the posts where I push them lmao

You’re blatant scum.

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Null-Town on both. Need to see more from Karnage in particular.

I’m off to bed now.

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I'll just sum up in the next few posts why I strongly believe Insomnia is scum this game.

603: Ame asked Insomnia what he thought of what had occurred (recent interactions with Frost and Ame) and Insomnia responds that he doesn't agree with Ame's thought, but does agree that I'm scummy. Now, bearing in mind Insomnia had read nothing of what Ame asked him about, why does he say that he doesn't agree rather than admitting he hasn't read it here?

Insomnia then goes into the stuff he already said about me earlier as if it was some new insight, regarding my reads of Flips and Ame.

604: Insomnia then quotes a bunch of my posts without any context of why he quoted them, and comments on literally one part of one post from the eleven he quoted. He's trying to make it seem like he has a case by quoting a load of irrelevant stuff while commenting on less than 10% of it. The post in question came during my catch-up, and was a rhetorical question to make a point, which is pretty obvious once you look at it for more than a second, and Insomnia refuses to accept this even though I've explained it at least two or three times. Insomnia seems to be implying I'm scum with Flips here, by saying I'm distracting from his wagon, but later says my read is just TMI and I'm scum independent of Flips, which seems like he's trying to have it both ways.

605: This is such a weak push that you can tell from the tone of Insomnia's post that he doesn't even believe in it. Btw, he clearly has so much time to post during this time, so why hasn't he caught up on the relevant stuff before rushing forward with this SR on me?

610: Says I've been pushing all Town slots, which would be a wild assumption for D1 if Insomnia is actually Town. Insomnia is SR'ing me here for not seeing how different Frost apparently is from the last game, yet if he read my posts he would see I had admitted Frost has been different, but I don't find the difference to be town-indicative. There's more than one way to skin a cat, and Frost's play this game isn't Townie just because his approach is different from his last scum game. The fact Insomnia is assuming so heavily that a) Frost is Town and b) anyone who doesn't see it is scum based on how Frost responded to his early pressure is complete nonsense, and seems like TMI to me. Again, if he had read my Frost case he'd have seen that I'd related Frost's play before he was TR to after he was TR, which was one of the foundations of my SR.

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Because I trust my town reads? To be fair you are pushing the obvious ones, it’s not like you’re pushing the people I’m unsure of.

Your flippy read is TMI.

Your Aaron push is bad.

Your Ame progression was scum.

That’s the case.

Your Aaron push is bad

Assuming my push is bad without having read it?

That is not Townie sorting. That is fabricating a narrative which suits him, and is entirely scum-indicative.

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Is that an actual thought you have? Lmfao

If you’re gonna push my top town read, especially when we have the same experience with them (Aaron), then why the fuck wouldn’t I scum read you for not seeing what I’m seeing?

He’s playing so differently than his scum game that there’s no world where this guy is scum

And you not seeing it of course is gonna make me scum read you more

If you were Town, why wouldn't you read the push on your top TR to actually assess whether it was bad?

Because he's not really sorting. He has preconceived ideas of what his reads are, rather than coming to them in a natural way.

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BRO WHAT???????????????

IT’S LITERALLY ONE GAME DIFFERENCE APART

nah whoever’s not on this is scum claiming

I’m tunneled

Is this a natural reaction to someone essentially saying

'just because Frost is playing differently, doesn't mean his alignment is different'

?

Does he really, truly believe that this is a 'scum claim'? Complete nonsense.

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The simple fact that Aaron has been diametrically opposite of his scum game which was his last one before this

And you even suggesting “he would strive to improve” while neglecting how hard it is for someone to switch up their meta from a game to another

Is just scum.

God may protect the ones who are opposing this lynch as I’ll personally unleash the fury of a century upon them

Here he is trying to intimidate the other players in the game into agreeing with his ridiculous assertion.

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Yeah i didn’t really read your posts last game tbh as you were low impact, I actually remember saying pretty much nothing about you except for “he’s town” and then just left it at that (sorry if it sounded rude but that’s how it went for me)

I just remember me tunneling him and lynching him and you looking town off it because you were pushing him, didn’t read nothing into it as he was already caught from my pov before you even decided to probe him before he slipped

Notice the sudden change of tone here when he realises he is being called out for not having read my actual Frost push in the first place. I didn't even get what point he was trying to make at the time, but it's clear now he was trying to preemptively explain away his lack of reading by saying

'yeah but I didn't read your posts last game'.

Even if that were true, he SR's me this game so what is his excuse for not reading my posts? A Townie doesn't ignore someone's posts and just assume they are definitely scum because they came to a different conclusion on someone as he did.

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My REASONING FOR TOWN READING FROST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW HE RESPONDED TO YOU

And this is also scum-indicative: Town players don't make up their mind about someone in the first few pages and then ignore evidence that could contradict their read.

Maybe Frost handled earlier pressure well, but if he later handles pressure just like his scum game then surely any Townie would take a moment to consider if they were wrong, especially when their read is so based on meta, as Insomnia's Frost read is.

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I don't know Clidd's Town meta. I know he hates playing as scum, so the fact he is actively contributing is indicative to me that he might be Town this game. Not a solid read, but enough for me to leave him be for now.

Flips is a special case. I have a strong gut read on him being Town, and I'm not going to try to explain it more but I definitely don't want him lynched today.

I've played with Frost a number of times now and have always read him correctly, but his game/style is rarely the same from one game to the next. I don't think the fact he's playing differently is at all indicative he's Town, because his play would be so easy to fake as scum.

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I haven't caught up on some stuff as I've been focused on Frost, you and Insomnia so I'll need to read back again.

I don't have a secret SR on him - my read on him is as I said. I can understand where he's coming from, though; pretending not to SR someone as much as I do is something I've done before, but not in this instance.

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Insomnia whole play this game has a weak, disengaged, half-hearted feel to it. Take his early 'push' on Frost for example:

Spoiler:

VOTE: ame

Something about this vote makes me want to say it’s probably townier than Aaron but I won’t explain why so don’t @ me

VOTE: Aaron

I'm sure you've felt the imminence of a tunnel before.

Except that you haven't said it was her entrance, you quoted the following post.

Also, minor but potentially major thing,

"something worth pushing"

hmmmmmm

Ame's opening was the only one that has caught your attention?

I can kind of see your premise for the push, but the part that bothered me was that you followed upon it only later, which read to me as weird because it's attempted to look like a joke while technically you're pushing out of RVS, it felt very agenda-y in that sense. As in, it's disguised as RVS, has a snarky tone to it but isn't flat out stating a suspicion. And you saying the wall is scummy and the voting being focused on something else strikes me as odd, as I'd imagined the vote and your initial accusation / gut feel should've been a contiguous thought, whereas that waiting period made it seem like you were baiting reactions from other people so as to see how they felt about Ame's wall and judging whether it was worthy of a push or not. Also why i pointed out the "something worth pushing" whereas I would've expected town to say "It's scummy" as opposed to "worthy of pushing" because it involves two different mentalities. Scum look at what pushes they can get away with, and town pushes for things that are actually gonna make someone flip scum.

There is zero conviction behind this push, and yet the ensuing replies from Frost apparently under 'pressure' were enough to be locked town in Insomnia's eyes. It wouldn't surprise me if this is s/s and Insomnia is creating a reason to TR Frost.

For what it's worth, I don't think TR'ing Frost based on his replies is unreasonable, as I felt the same at the time, but I think it's unreasonable to take his responses as being obvtown even in light of further evidence which might contradict this view, and after such an impotent 'push'.

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@Ame, I'm focusing on my Insomnia read atm. I will catch-up on the rest of the thread and review Frost again when I'm done.

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I already touched on this but this is most likely a town post because scum wouldn't even care to assume such a stance

Unfortunately this isn’t accurate. Regardless of alignment when people cross the line, I care and will make sure they get punished one way or another. The site mods don’t enforce rules unfortunately so I have to just make sure they die.

this post makes you even more town if anything so like...

Insomnia's whole interaction with Wimpy felt like he was trying to avoid conflict. The post above in particular felt like a pocketing attempt.

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Well that read on Ame is now out the window

VOTE: flippy

Only relevant thing I got as of right now

Again, another weak push on Ame that is dropped too easily for my liking. He ends up settling on the easy option which is Flips - Insomnia is treading a path of little resistance while making it look like he's sorting with ineffectual pushes which are dropped prematurely and never revisited.

Insomnia in the last game was really paranoid about Ame. I think Ame (certainly up until this point) had been far less town than that game, so this easy acceptance that she's town based on her explanation for her Wimpy progression, which could just as easily have been scum progression as Town progression, is a red flag.

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364, 368 - Insomnia throws some weak points out there against me. I respond fully in 383 but Insomnia never acknowledges is, which again seems like he isn't actually trying to sort me.

When I make my own suspicions against Insomnia he merely replies 'lol Luca I'm not scum'. This feels really off-character from my experience with him. He isn't trying to either sort or engage me, like he's unsure of whether to commit to his push.

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'With Clidd you provide minimal reasoning'

Lol, he had one naked vote my that point. What were you expecting?

I didn't explain my vote on you until a little later as I wanted to see how others would react to it.

I believe I said earlier that I was less sure on my read of you after realising it was a joke, Ame.

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Btw, I don't subscribe to the 'everything must be explained at once' way of playing. I give my reasons as they occur to me, as I'm doing here with Insomnia.

Sometimes I have a gut read on someone but the reasons take a little longer to develop, which appears to be the case for you as well. Sometimes I simply feel like waiting a little before giving my reasons.

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I think voting Clidd for ignoring the game was sufficient to provoke a reaction. I didn't feel the need to reveal the further information right away.

Both, but more your post.

Because you continued to make out that you were being mean in that post, from what I recall.

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Concluding my case against Insomnia, even his Flips push lacked any energy to it, and his 'paranoia' of Ame looked super fake, especially the way he just suddenly drops it and rushes the SR on me based on the same reasoning he had earlier without even reading my recent posts.

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I liked your explanation of wimpy and whatnot but this lazy posting is making me paranoid af.

There's no evidence that Insomnia is actually paranoid af - it's like he notices a difference in Ame (as do I) and feels he should be paranoid, rather than it being a natural reaction.

because I am playing differently.

uhhhhhhhhh

why?

That alone now made my confidence sink in further than my heart when I see my math test grade

i thought it was unintentional but now that she's claiming it was intentional feels as though there's an underlying reasoning for doing this, and if it is, it's not catching any scum or she would've come out with results if it was some sort of reaction test

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

He posts this and then just immediately drops it in favour of shading Flips again, and later voting me based on the same reasons he gave ages ago, despite ignoring my response to those reasons.

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@Ame: probably around 152 when you were SR'ing me for thinking you were being nice - I hadn't realised you were actually serious about it until then, as I felt your post was so obviously nice that you must be joking.

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To clarify - I know you were joking about being mean and not joking about not being nice, but I thought you were joking about both.

The fact you seemed to seriously claim it was mean just made me more perplexed by it, until I realised at least that was a joke as I originally had thought.

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I think I've explained everything regarding Insomnia and Frost already, Hectic.

Regarding Frost, I'm not saying he's suddenly become a scum mastermind - that's not what I'm seeing here. His play this game has been cautious, asking easy questions, fence-sitting, all very easy stuff to do as scum. I don't think it's a massive leap to say he's changed his play style for this game, particularly if he rolled scum again against a similar group of players who figured him out last time around. Certainly, his last scum game was hugely different from his scum game against me previous to that. Frost is still a relatively new player, and even one completed scum game is huge added experience for him.

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Glancing over dsjstr, I still TR his slot but I’d like to see him talk about more than just Flips.

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Flips, Ame

TR

Dsjstr
Hectic
Clidd, Karnage

Frost
Insomnia

SR

That’s kind of where I’m at right now. I feel a little better about Hectic after ISO’ing him.

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The reason I now TR Ame is because her recent sorting of me/Frost/Insomnia feels really genuine.

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\The close-mindedness of Insomnia’s Luca/Flips push is so lazy and terrible that he’s probably scum.

This is the kind of statement that I almost never expect to come from town!Luca nor was insomnia pushing a Luca/flippynips team. He said it was a TMI read which implies that you both can't be scum together.

Why could that statement not come from Town!Luca?

And Insomnia was originally going for a Flips/Luca team before changing it to a TMI read. Either way it’s poor and close-minded on his part and I’d expect better from him.

I think Frost would try to improve as scum and don’t see anything in this game he couldn’t have faked so far. We could go in circles here.

Yeah of course I would try to improve, but you're molding your read on me under that assumption instead of actually evaluating my play here.

So IF I am scum trying to improve my play here, then WHY would I attempt the same deflection tactic that I did on you in Mini 2115 in this game with a similar playerlist AND knowing that it didn't work? That makes no fucking sense.

This is entirely wrong.

Those who say you can’t be scum due to playing differently are the ones molding their views - I’m SR’ing you based on your play alone this game.

I’m not sure if you see how silly your last sentence is - you’re arguing that you couldn’t have changed your play so much in one game, and then arguing that you wouldn’t do the same thing as the previous game. Which is it, then? You can’t have it both ways.

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Frost is still a relatively new player, and even one completed scum game is huge added experience for him.

One where I scumslipped and got lynched Day 1 though? Not really. All it would teach me is not to scumslip again.

This is disingenuous.

You were heading towards being lynched already by that point - it’s not as if you scum-slipped right at the start of the day.

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Does Town!Frost really SR me for suspecting him here?

I’ve suspected him in literally every game we’ve played together. I feel like he’s following along with this argument of ‘playing differently so can’t he scum’ rather than actually believing in it.

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The simple fact that Aaron has been diametrically opposite of his scum game which was his last one before this

And you even suggesting “he would strive to improve” while neglecting how hard it is for someone to switch up their meta from a game to another

Not to mention the first scum game I played with him was while I was still a newbie (which was like > 7 months ago) and my first ever scum game on site. My most recent with him was Mini 2115 which just ended. I had numerous other scumgames in between then which explains the difference in play there. So saying I could drastically change in the span of 1 game is ridiculous.

Your scum play in the lil Uzi large Normal was massively different from your first game as well, and that was a few weeks after.

And as I’ve said repeatedly, there is nothing you’ve done in this game that couldn’t have been easily faked. Your SR on me feels entirely like retaliation which I’ve only seen from Scum!Frost.

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Spoiler:

As long as we vote Emperor, Dsjstr or Hectic today, we're good.

VOTE: Emperor FlippyNips

If you truly TR me then trust my read on Flips.

I think dsjstr is Town as well. Hectic is a decent option, although I need to review.

Why do you townread dsj?

Creative seemed Townie.

I answered earlier why I TR dsjstr.

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I’m not sure if you see how silly your last sentence is - you’re arguing that you couldn’t have changed your play so much in one game, and then arguing that you wouldn’t do the same thing as the previous game. Which is it, then? You can’t have it both ways.

Way to not actually answer the question

You're basically doing the same thing, arguing that I'm scum based off of the trends you've seen from my previous scum games while also arguing that my play could've changed and improved since the last game. When I say my play wouldn't change in such a quick time, I'm talking about my OVERALL play. Like obviously I'm not going to play the EXACT same way but my tone and behavior would be similar to my previous scum games. You're taking an instance of ONE thing that I did in my last scum game and using it as definitive evidence while also arguing that my play could be different here.

A lot of your arguments are based around the idea of "Aaron COULD be doing x" instead of asking yourself "is Aaron doing x"

You’re entirely wrong again.

I’m not scumreading you for meta, at all. See my case against you. Im saying that meta isn’t a reason to TR you, and certainly doesn’t make you obvtown, which is a huge difference.

My point is that, while your general play has been different (which is Nai) your reaction to pressure was the same as your scum game, which is alignment indicative. This nullifies any argument that you must be Town for playing differently.

How do you know what I’m asking myself? Your last sentence is basically gibberish. I’ve said you ARE doing certain scummy things such as asking passive questions and fence-sitting, which could mean your scum. I’m Town so won’t know for sure your alignment until you flip.

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Does Town!Frost really SR me for suspecting him here?

I’ve suspected him in literally every game we’ve played together. I feel like he’s following along with this argument of ‘playing differently so can’t he scum’ rather than actually believing in it.

That's not even why I suspect you dude, and I'm not even pushing that argument, that's insomnia and Ame pushing that argument.

I do believe I'm playing differently here than I did in Mini 2115 though, because I'm not scum this time, that's usually how that works.

The timing of your vote certainly implies that is the reason.

Why do you scumread me, then?

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Your scum play in the lil Uzi large Normal was massively different from your first game as well, and that was a few weeks after.

And as I’ve said repeatedly, there is nothing you’ve done in this game that couldn’t have been easily faked. Your SR on me feels entirely like retaliation which I’ve only seen from Scum!Frost.

Yeah and I almost got lynched Day 1 in that game too until Flavor Leaf, my partner, came in and saved my ass. And again with the "This could be fake" argument instead of evaluating whether or not it's actually fake.

It’s irrelevant that you were almost lynched D1 that game, the fact is that your play was entirely different from your previous scum game a few weeks previous, which shows you’re capable of changing up your style.

Again, your last line is gibberish. Your play was clearly clearly different, there was no ‘could be’ about it.

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This feels just like in the last game where I suspected you, and you tried to deflect from it by suspecting me in return.

so this is the reasoning of "reacts poorly to pressure"? That's the only thing I'm seeing in your iso that explains even the slightest about this aspect, yet you've mentioned it endlessly.

No, you are the one who endlessly said Frost isn’t scum because his play is different.

My counter to that is that he reacted to pressure in the same way as that game, which nullifies your point. I’ve never been SRing Frost based on meta.

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Try reading the thread.

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That is me explaining why Frost isn’t Town based on meta, but my initial argument against him was the passive questions/fence-sitting which felt like he was playing cautiously after being Tr early on. I’m not sure why you can’t find that.

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I feel like you’re completely disengaged with this game and barely even following what’s happening.

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People need to start putting serious votes down, deadline is approaching.

I’m only willing to lynch Insomnia or Frost today.

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@Luca, when you get the chance, I'm curious about your thoughts on this.

I think he has been doing the things you’ve mentioned there, perhaps apart from the overconfident reads, although his read on Insomnia could count as such.

I can deal with this post further if need be once I’m back from V/LA and on a computer.

I’m not sure where I said Frost has made little progress in his scum game? I said the opposite - he has made tremendous progress if you compare the lil Uzi game with his first scum game, for example.

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I literally explained why in post you quoted in 756?

I’m not sure why that’s needs explaining further - it’s pretty obviously similar.

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it feels like you're swinging at random right now.

Probably because you’re so disengaged you have no idea what’s going on.

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You really have no idea what’s going on or what my argument is.

I never said he was the same as his scum game, my point was that nothing he’s done this game that is hard to fake as scum - it’s not a huge leap to suggest playing differently doesn’t necessarily = different alignment, especially when his play this game hasn’t been particularly townie at all from my pov.

Regarding pressure, I don’t know what else to say - you even quoted my post but still can’t see it, so it’s hopeless trying to explain it to you.

You seem like obvious scum with how you’re playing right now.

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Where you see ‘sorting’, I see posturing and fence-sitting.

He was clearly holding back from any clear read on me until I pushed him.

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K I think you're blatantly lying about Aaron's meta

there's a huge difference in between this game and the other one. you suggesting that his gameplay could change so drastically in one game is ludicrous.

What have I said that’s a ‘lie’?

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And Frost has shown he can change his scum play in one game as I showed earlier, try reading his meta.

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For the record, Frost isn’t my biggest SR, insomnia is. I can see a possible world where Frost is Town, but I’m leaning scum and be refuse to tr him based on meta.

Insomnia is just scum.

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A Frost scum flip would be so satisfying after all the shit I’ve taken for it.

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K I think you're blatantly lying about Aaron's meta

there's a huge difference in between this game and the other one. you suggesting that his gameplay could change so drastically in one game is ludicrous.

What have I said that’s a ‘lie’?

Waiting for an answer to this, Insomnia.

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I tr Frost’s early play too, I just felt he got really cautious like he was trying to hold onto the TR’s he had attained.

I don’t really like his reaction to my suspicion either as I don’t feel he would have jumped to the conclusion that I’m scum based on that, if he were Town.

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Here’s Frost ‘concerned with the health of the game’ as scum.

Holy shit we have less than 2 days and this game is dragging.

Alonzo is at L-2 right?

Have a read through this game, Ame. If you want to compare it with his first scum game the difference is night and day.

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It really is obvious that even Ame, who disagrees with me over Frost, sees it is obviously similar, Insomnia. Just because you can’t comprehend something doesn’t mean I’m lying about it, so don’t try to paint it as such.

Have you got anything to say about this game not related to Frost’s meta?

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Where did I say he backed down under pressure? Seriously, you are clueless.

I said the exact opposite - that he turned the suspicion onto me in retaliation.

If you were reading you’d see Ame agreed that aspect was similar.

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got plenty of stuff in my iso, which you could look through.

You’re doing zero game solving right now; all you’re doing is labouring the Frost meta argument while showing how clueless you are about it.

What are your reads?

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Insomnia, where in all those quotes did I say Frost backed down from pressure?

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Do you think me and Flips are scum together?

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Lmao, my point was literally the opposite of the one you assumed, and yet realizing you have misinterpreted what I meant so badly doesn’t even being you to consider you might be wrong about me.

You are obvious scum.

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You’re not sorting - you’re trying to frame me as scummy. You don’t even care about what i actually said or why - that is obvious from your progression.

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You’re framing the situation to make me appear scummy - you aren’t bothered that your interpretation of what I said was entirely wrong; it doesn’t affect your read on me at all, because the read isn’t genuine.

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Dude... you literally quoted my post earlier that PROVED you were wrong.

You’re brushing it off as semantics when it’s there in black and white.

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Here's a similar post from Frost's last scum game:

And why hadn’t you mentioned the ‘lack of Town vibes’ until now? Again, it seems convenient timing.

The timing of your vote is pretty convenient too.

You were scumleaning me, then townleaning me, then scumleaning me again. Explain that progession.

I suspect him and he immediately turns it round to me. He even uses similar wording like '

explain that progression'.

this?

Here it is.

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I don't think you have enough meta with me to understand me, but I'll let you in on a secret.

I don't really follow my scum read's opinions on why my read on them is wrong. actually, i don't see how anyone would

Your read is baseless - it isn’t a naturally acquired read.

When shown that you were wrong in the basis of your scumread you don’t spare a thought or reconsider, as someone with a town mindset would, because you’re scum.

And I’ve seen enough of your Town game to know you’re not this bad as town.

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moreover, i probably shouldn't even have bothered to talk with you, because it exactly ends in spots like this where people start reading it as a t/t argument because they don't want to read a whole conflict that's pages long

and just assume it's t/t

probably why people don't even listen to my reads, cuz I end up in tunnels like that

Keep telling yourself you’re in a tunnel, maybe you’ll come to believe it.

Your tone is lifeless - there is no belief in your fake scumread.

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I’m no longer willing to compromise on this - my vote is locked on Insomnia until he’s lynched.

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Everyone should vote either me or Insomnia. I’m willing to sacrifice myself to make it happen if need be, because he’s never flipping Town here.

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Ame, what’s your read on Insomnia?

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Why would laziness not come from scum?

He’s not conveying a Town mindset at all.

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...for the sake of points scoring.

He hasn’t even tried to understand the point I was making against Frost - he only cared about framing me to look scummy.

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He’s trying to make it look like a tunnel, which might explain his lack of reconsideration even when proven wrong about his reason for SR’ing me, but you can tell from the tone of his posts that this isn’t a ‘tunnel’ he truly believes in.

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Wow, I’m surprised you still SR me so much and TR Insomnia.

Vote me, then. Either me or Insomnia is lynched today.

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VOTE: Karnage

I’m willing to go along with for now due to the approaching deadline. I still much prefer an Insomnia lynch.

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VOTE: Karnage

I’m willing to go along with for now due to the approaching deadline. I still much prefer an Insomnia lynch.

Luca, how come you went along with Ame's Karnage scumread, but not my clidd-scumread? You had them on the same tier in your previous reads list.

A few reasons. A) deadline is approaching and we need a meaningful wagon. B) I TR Ame and am more willing to follow her read if I can’t get my own SR lynched and C) I’m starting to feel Karnage might be scum for the reasons Ame mentioned.

Hectic, what’s your read on me and Insomnia?

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Here’s Frost ‘concerned with the health of the game’ as scum.

Holy shit we have less than 2 days and this game is dragging.

Alonzo is at L-2 right?

Have a read through this game, Ame. If you want to compare it with his first scum game the difference is night and day.

Any reaction to this, Ame?

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Because he’s scum who’s unable to find the energy to make his ‘tunnel’ on me look real.

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A quick check of Insomnia’s meta shows he’s a lot more disinterested as scum. In one post-scumgame comment he even said that lack of activity is a big scum tell for him, which is what we’re seeing here as well.

Can we lynch this slot, pretty please?

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You’re not the only one in multiple games. And you’ve shown yourself capable of being obvtown while in multiple games - we were in two games together before simultaneously and you were obviously Town in both, while you’re obvscum here in contrast.

You have no case against me and are neither pushing my lynch nor attempting to reevaluate me, or anyone else in the game for that matter. Your tunnel reads as completely fake to me.

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In one post-scumgame comment he even said that lack of activity is a big scum tell for him, which is what we’re seeing here as well.

like just look at this, he opened up my iso presumably in one of my scum game's and came to this conclusion without even checking my post count and comparing it to see if the fact checks out

the man's scum claiming and you're all scared because i don't know why, is he like a paragon or something? he's just scum and just because he's high posting doesn't mean anything.

If you’ve noticed, I’m on V/LA and won’t do a deep meta dive until I’m back. I did mention it was a quick check. I’ve already come to the conclusion your scum based on your play alone - and a quick check of your meta aligns with this conclusion.

Post count is irrelevant - you have been disinterested this game regardless of how many times you’ve posted. Posting more isn’t enough to rid yourself of that scumtell - quality over quantity.

The fact you’re making out that’s a scum claim is ridiculous.

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I explained why I voted Karnage. Deadline is approaching and we need something meaningful to happen, and he’s done nothing since replacing in.

I’d much prefer an insomnia lynch if possible.

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Again, where did I say Frost ‘fell under pressure’?

You’re making this shit up.

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I explained why I voted Karnage. Deadline is approaching and we need something meaningful to happen, and he’s done nothing since replacing in.

I’d much prefer an insomnia lynch if possible.

so you're lynching someone that you have no read on over your scum read?

It’s pointless talking to scum, especially scum who doesn’t even read my posts.

VOTE: Insomnia

I’m so certain of this, let’s make it happen.

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You’re actually scum-claiming yourself right now, because we had his exact conversation earlier where I showed I said the opposite to what you’re portraying.

Show me the EXACT quote where I said Frost fell under pressure.

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And notice he’s changed from saying I said Frost ‘backed down under pressure’ to making out I said he ‘fell under pressure’ because This might be a bit more of an ambiguous meaning which he can squirm his way around.

This is confirmed lying scum.

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I’m back from V/LA tomorrow and will quote the exact posts where Insomnia has deliberately lied and misrepped me.

He is being lynched today, I’m not letting confscum survive this day.

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i have a perception that aaron fell under pressure in his last game which is fucking obvious and he is more concerned with twisting it than actually providing why he reacted poorly to his pressure or whatever he's saying

I explained exactly what I fucking meant and you still maintain the same lying bullshit.

You know what? Fuck this. I’ll be conftown after this flip anyway.

I’m masons with Flips

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There, now can we lynch this lying scumbag, please?

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Where did I say it was a stupid conclusion to come to?

And why the fuck would I lie about that claim as scum there lmao

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My point was that me heavily tr’ing Flips when he’s being heavily wagoned is already softing that we’re masons, or that I have some knowledge that he’s Town.

The fact you assumed I’m scum because of it was bad.

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Ame, don’t let my claim be in vain. Please let’s lynch Insomnia today.

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Btw we don’t have day chat.

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You’re right - your play this game and your lies and deliberate misreps make you scum.

Claiming masons means you’ll be the lynch, though.

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I made a calculated decision - claiming masons means I’m conftown and will be NK, but if Insomnia was lynched I’d be conftown anyway.

It also means if there are any invests/vig then it won’t be wasted on me or Flips. In a 9p maybe there not much more power, though.

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no it doesn't, it just proves I read you correctly and was genuinely scum hunting. so here goes your lack of engagement argument, what do you know

Bullshit. You don’t even know why you SR me - it was completely faked.

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Lol, you’re the complete buffoon for your utterly blatant lies about my Frost argument. If you’re Town you’re an even bigger buffoon, but I sincerely doubt that’s the case.

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Frost SR me before I pushed him? Where?

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Lol, you’re the complete buffoon for your utterly blatant lies about my Frost argument. If you’re Town you’re an even bigger buffoon, but I sincerely doubt that’s the case.

you're the avatar of town's defeat, claiming masons d1 and pushing a mislynch on a person that can be BoP'd and can have a huge impact on town cohesion and direction.

you're doing it wrong.

You realise if you had your way I’d have had to claim anyway? Your reads have been entirely wrong and your play this game has been hopeless, to the point of not even reading or comprehending what’s going on.

I thought you didn’t buy my claim btw?

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You literally said you didn’t buy the claim, are you suffering from amnesia as well as Insomnia?

Put this scum out of his misery.

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Your whole push on me was more about "who has a bigger dick" contest rather than actually pushing a scum read. you are misplacing confidence in bad points because you're confbiased and you'll look like a complete buffoon and earn your title as the avatar of town's defeat.

Well done, you just described yourself.

I’m done with this. I’ll be back tomorrow. In the meantime, lynch this scum.

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You’re literally proving it.

You’re scum, but if you were Town then you’ve been a complete hypocrite. I think there’s 0.1% chance of you actually being Town, tho.

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Ame, trust me just this one time, please.

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If Karnage Flips Town then nothing is gained as he’s done nothing. Insomnia is a much better lynch.

I don’t know how you can TR Insomnia after he lied about my Frost argument? First time you could excuse it as just lazy reading, but he not only maintained it after I corrected him but slyly changed the wording of his misrep to make it a bit more ambiguous.

He is scum, simple as.

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Clidd, check insomnia’s town and scum meta and see which is most similar.

His post count may be higher, but his play this game has been awful. As Town he’s actually not bad.

So sick of talking about meta btw. Lynch the obvious scum based on blatantly scum behaviour.

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Ame, did you see where I literally explained and proved Insomnia was completely wrong, and he brushes it off as semantics, and later comes back with the same argument dressed up in different wording that I never said.

It isn’t a misunderstanding because I proved to him he was wrong. First time maybe, but the second time is a deliberate lie.

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Clidd, I’ve set my vote on Insomnia and it won’t be moving. Please vote him as well.

I’m confident in my read.

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Ame, as I said the first time could have been a misunderstanding, BUT:

1) he didn’t reevaluate after realizing his reason for SR’ing me was completely wrong

2) he comes back in the thread later on when under pressure and resorts to the same argument, using different wording that I never said and he knows I didn’t say. It’s entirely disingenuous and only comes from a scum mindset. Don’t buy this tunneling nonsense - he’s only had any life to his posts when I’ve been on his case.

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Like, just because Insomnia’s got angry because he’s been caught doesn’t make him Town.

Look at his general play this game - lacking in any solving or intent. Some effort early on but the well soon ran dry. He is apparently tunneled on me yet only responds reactively? It’s always me pushing him and him responding, yet he’s in a tunnel? Nonsense.

[Luca Blight]

Me, Clidd and Flips will vote Insomnia as well I’m sure. Just need two more to get it over the line.

Going to sleep now, will be back tomorrow.

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He didn't realize his reason was wrong. As I said, it was a perfectly valid interpretation. And since he thought you were scum, he didn't take your arguments against it seriously. He should have been more open-minded, yes, but that doesn't make him scum.

I don't mind having opposing wagons, but I'm sticking with Karnage.

I quoted the post which proved he was wrong. If he were Town he would have realized he was wrong.

He doesn’t know how to manurfacture a SR on me so felt the need to cling to that reason. He’s scum.

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Seriously Ame?

I quoted the post which proved I never said that Frost backed down under pressure, but in fact said he turned the argument back on me instead - which is the opposite.