Mini Normal 2118: Boon Gets Pretentious - [Day 4]

[insomnia]

VOTE: Creature

Well at least this is never scum with Creative

[insomnia]

Who wants to be my valentine

[insomnia]

Ok now my confidence in that is shaken a bit

[insomnia]

How the fuck have you not watched Shrek by now, that’s Fiona

[insomnia]

Yeah I noticed his 24 and thought it was an odd thing to focus on at that time, if that's what you're also referring to.

[insomnia]

And I thought we mindmelded for a second there

[insomnia]

o.k. insomnia, what should I have been focusing on there?

Not that.

[insomnia]

In the context where it’s RVS and votes are placed randomly, you questioning an unvote from RVS was weird.

[insomnia]

Yooo you town gurl?

Whatcha thinking of our hectic friend?

[insomnia]

That vote is wolfy

Sick pagetop

[insomnia]

I read the wall Ame posted and I declare that anyone who calls my reads baseless will face unholy retribution in the form of being power lynched

How fucking dare you

[insomnia]

[insomnia]

VOTE: ame

Something about this vote makes me want to say it’s probably townier than Aaron but I won’t explain why so don’t @ me

VOTE: Aaron

[insomnia]

More of a gut feel that if explained would probably lose its' substance which I have no intention for, as I think I'm onto something.

[insomnia]

Those questions aren't random. They are the result of hundreds of hours of research into the best way of identifying vocal discrepancies between town and scum. The test has a 97.7% accuracy rating. Scum simply can't help but exhibit certain physiological responses when answering.

What do you make of it considering no one has answered your questions.

How does this help you discern Ame's alignment?

[insomnia]

As far as I'm concerned there's been like 3 days passed and we're still chit chating

break eggs make omelettes boys, otherwise i can't be the town leader that will save this town from the hands of those menacing creatures that go under the name of wolves

i have next to no reads and that just irks me you know, it's like a fingernail shoved down my throat, give me something to work with

But to answer your question, I did convey my distaste with your vote on Ame so I would like to get as much content out of you as possible. I am scrutinising you for not improving your posting at all.

[insomnia]

I'm sure you've felt the imminence of a tunnel before.

[insomnia]

Except that you haven't said it was her entrance, you quoted the following post.

Also, minor but potentially major thing,

"something worth pushing"

hmmmmmm

[insomnia]

Ame's opening was the only one that has caught your attention?

[insomnia]

I can kind of see your premise for the push, but the part that bothered me was that you followed upon it only later, which read to me as weird because it's attempted to look like a joke while technically you're pushing out of RVS, it felt very agenda-y in that sense. As in, it's disguised as RVS, has a snarky tone to it but isn't flat out stating a suspicion. And you saying the wall is scummy and the voting being focused on something else strikes me as odd, as I'd imagined the vote and your initial accusation / gut feel should've been a contiguous thought, whereas that waiting period made it seem like you were baiting reactions from other people so as to see how they felt about Ame's wall and judging whether it was worthy of a push or not. Also why i pointed out the "something worth pushing" whereas I would've expected town to say "It's scummy" as opposed to "worthy of pushing" because it involves two different mentalities. Scum look at what pushes they can get away with, and town pushes for things that are actually gonna make someone flip scum.

[insomnia]

And I just realised this was a 9er lmfao, thought it was a 13er

[insomnia]

I actually think you have quite a courageous scum game play (or you are faking it well), this beating around the bush feeling I got from the push is definitely weird, I just interpreted that as scummy at face value but having *some* experience with you it'd probably be town indicative? Might dive into your meta.

So only ame's scum?

[insomnia]

Insomia said if anyone called his reads baseless he’d essentially lose his shit. I did that and nothing. So I voted him to try and like the bear some more. And still nothing.

This is scum trying to keep their cool. Insomnia doesn’t strike me as a guy who keeps his cool.

I’m trying to ignore you on purpose because if I would react to you calling my reads baseless and stuff I’m gonna get banned.

I’ve changed and am not a toxic prick anymore so don’t tempt me

[insomnia]

I’m not who I used to be so I’m just thinking about it in my head

Conveying what i think in the thread is an extra step that’s unnecessary

[insomnia]

That was a joke anyway but i’m addressing your main concern now which is me not engaging you for a naked vote and an attempt at making me get banned which i’m not taking :shrug:

I’ll comment on actual relevant stuff which is Ame’s switch on me, the guy who town read and offered a 7 line explanation on but from my understanding and what i wanted to ask, did you actually read any of my posts or just said im town

[insomnia]

In class atm will reply

[insomnia]

I don’t think exploiting emotions and that type of bait wimpy did for me comes from a scum perspective necessarily but that isn’t enough in and of itself to call him town. Admittedtly I have no interest of reading his posts and just placing him within a PoE if I town read other people just so I can have accuracy on him and not treat him with a bias.

As for Aaron I have yet to check meta but I’m starting to cozy up to him being town and am actually questioning the genuineness of your push at the moment. I wanted to reply to your post asking whether you actually bothered to read my posts or just called it a half-ass read.

And switching the momentum onto me with Wimpy’s faulty analysis I thought was opportunistic and that’s what i will focus on atm

[insomnia]

Aaron’s explanation and posts are generally aesthetically pleasing if I were to describe it in some way. The way he handled my slot I read as not the type of trying to appease a town member from dropping the push.

VOTE: Ame

Let’s dance

[insomnia]

Are you gonna answer my question?

[insomnia]

Oh lol

[insomnia]

Aaron’s explanation and posts are generally aesthetically pleasing if I were to describe it in some way. The way he handled my slot I read as not the type of trying to appease a town member from dropping the push.

Could you point out what is aesthetically pleasing about them? This is a town indicator for you?

Well yeah because it sort of goes hand in hand with the tone almost, I take them as the same thing. That’s what I meant.

I mean not sure what you would like me to point out as it isn’t anything individualistic it’s rather holistic and if you didn’t see it, not sure why you’d do after I pointed it out

[insomnia]

I’ll do it when I’m on PC (wrt the question)

I’m not going to pick words, tone is almost never anything specific and it’s holistic, I liked the post he addressed towards me.

I’m not even sure how I should phrase it to even be coherent

[insomnia]

Have you not heard of a read like that in your life? Hard to believe.

You’re literally asking me to explain a gut read, how does that help with anything

If you want to hear my thoughts on other people or something that is actually explainable and doesn’t pertain to me looking like an idiot, then I can help you

[insomnia]

Those questions aren't random. They are the result of hundreds of hours of research into the best way of identifying vocal discrepancies between town and scum. The test has a 97.7% accuracy rating. Scum simply can't help but exhibit certain physiological responses when answering.

What do you make of it considering no one has answered your questions.

How does this help you discern Ame's alignment?

It doesn't and I'm not sure why you think that I expect it to, I'm just hoping to get some discussion going.

Honestly I welcome the engagement if it gets other people talking, which is really what I'd like to happen here. How people are reading me is something I'm not concerned about atm.

Ame's entrance was the only thing that stuck out to me as something worth pushing, so naturally that's where I'm going to go.

So far, yes. Not sure I like Luca's clidd vote though.

I can kind of see your premise for the push, but the part that bothered me was that you followed upon it only later, which read to me as weird because it's attempted to look like a joke while technically you're pushing out of RVS, it felt very agenda-y in that sense. As in, it's disguised as RVS, has a snarky tone to it but isn't flat out stating a suspicion. And you saying the wall is scummy and the voting being focused on something else strikes me as odd, as I'd imagined the vote and your initial accusation / gut feel should've been a contiguous thought, whereas that waiting period made it seem like you were baiting reactions from other people so as to see how they felt about Ame's wall and judging whether it was worthy of a push or not. Also why i pointed out the "something worth pushing" whereas I would've expected town to say "It's scummy" as opposed to "worthy of pushing" because it involves two different mentalities. Scum look at what pushes they can get away with, and town pushes for things that are actually gonna make someone flip scum.

The snarky thing is just sorta my personality tbh but also I wanted to see how Ame reacted to it and wasn't as concerned with others' reactions. I can see how it might come off like that though.

One thing to note is that no one else came and said 'yeah I found Ame's opening scummy too' and Hectic even sorta defended them, although it may have been a joke (I can never tell with him). So if I'm scum here, and I'm observing that no one else wants to push Ame, then I'm not going to continue the push whereas town me is going to follow the one read I have, even if it's met with resistance.

This set of posts. If he’s scum then consider me pocketed. I just like the phrasing and how he went about my slot.

He did have a shit begginning ngl but he’s trending upwards, his opening was bad, everything up to my encounter was bad but seeing how good this is in contrast is probably why I ended up town reading him.

[insomnia]

Your flippy point is good

VOTE: flippy

[insomnia]

Clidd needs to start doing something and so does hectic.

[insomnia]

Somni is currently my town axiom, essentially playing the game on the assumption they are town. they remain this way until/unless the game becomes inconsistent with this assumption. Also my initial impression of their interaction with you is someone trying to scum hunt with scare resources

The first part of that made me ask myself whether you have read any of my posts but I guess you skimmed some of em.

My question was if you town read me on auto and didn't try to read my posts because that's what scum often do to me, they town read me asap and don't want to deal with me.

If so, you jumping the gun on Wimpy's point seemed opportunistic because you left from the premise of I'm town, you didn't read my posts and then at the first sight you vote me. Especially when your slot was quite under some scrutiny.

So, is your town read on me any serious or where are you at wrt my slot?

[insomnia]

nvm just re-read from PC and you look a ton scummier than flippy tbh

VOTE: Ame

your wimpy read sucks from all PoVs possible

L-2

[insomnia]

Ame come here and explain yo damn self

no way you scum read wimpy, he makes a post that you could've requested an answer for and not just paint him to be scum for it, and then you forget your entire read on him and on me in order to vote me while not having any opinion on my slot

You ignoring my slot and town reading me for literally nothing is scummy as all hell

get in here and state some concrete opinions, i want every bit of that shady process that was conveyed into the thread

[insomnia]

Yo Aaron, how do you feel about Ame atm?

[insomnia]

I know you aren't doing it consciously but this is just unnecessary banter that I've dealt with in the past. Wasn't trying to put it on you, not my intention, I was explaining why I'm not snapping at you, of course you wouldn't know. I'm just on really thin fucking ice and this is the reason I took a break, because of my toxicity so I'd appreciate if you just stopped trying to poke a creature that will wreak havoc. I can endure stuff but like don't push it too much either.

[insomnia]

Well you are doing it consciously as in trying to bait a reaction out of me and poking me but not the me getting banned part. I think? I hope.

[insomnia]

Well that read on Ame is now out the window

VOTE: flippy

Only relevant thing I got as of right now

[insomnia]

Her progression on you was really town and can be followed through easily, it’s too complex to even be prepared in advance / damage controlled (as in lying after being caught , not pre-planning)

[insomnia]

Unless Ame is some scum mastermind, that rarely comes from a scum that has an underlying motive for pushing.

[insomnia]

@insomnia–

whats

this vote on me?

you're scum

[insomnia]

Virtue of the actives being townie and your progression on Ame which was already pointed out

i still don't see why you think ame's progression on wimpy after being explained is not town and could be scum

[insomnia]

yeah you're doubling down on it while not really commenting on anything is my point, just stating blank reads list

especially when ame's beginning to act townier rn it feels like you're reaching to maintain a scum read there for no reason.

p-edit

aaron - ame - wimpy all likely town

[insomnia]

I don't know what you want out of me, to expound on my reads?

I am a free flowing transparent spirit conveying each and every thought of mine that pops through my head, you should be able to deduce my reads throughout my organic progressions, that's like the only thing I'm good at and that's why I'm obvtown and that's why my reads are shit for the most part

cuz i focus on being town read more than actually resorting to any critical thinking lol

there are like 50 posts of mine, me going through them again just clutters the thread with useless talk, they're all there.

[insomnia]

[quote="In post 229, Emperor flippyNips"][/quote]

[insomnia]

Page 2 - Post 27 from Insomnia is precipitate, considering the lack of content to support such a statement

My point was that he can't be scum with him because scum have a chat in which they talk so there's no way Wimpy would mix up Creative's name with Creature if they were partners, which is another player on this site. And I don't believe wimpy's that good of a player to orchestrate an anti-spew like that if scum.

[insomnia]

i've stated about 2 maybe 3 people i think could be scum thats about it. doesnt mean im tr everyone else

I think you're misinterpreting my post, i said you are scum because of your progression on Ame and because, FOR ME, the active players are townier, so it's only normal i'd switch back.

whenever i have a lead, my scum read posts a townie post so i'm lingering in a limbo zone where i'm pressuring myself to solve and find scum

ame and aaron are quite town to me although both have weird posts, I just am not confident in any of them flipping scum and ame's point on you was good

[insomnia]

maybe i'll take a break from trying to look town and implement my solving as a means of getting town read instead

although feeling quite down atm so i'd much rather just sit on live interactions ngl

[insomnia]

I'm saying that the active players are towns, so I shifted my focus on low posters that I also believe to lack a town agenda.

[insomnia]

the "switch back" comes from me previously expressing a scum read on you

[insomnia]

Now that you mentioned it, the fact that you’re top poster and I thought you were a lurker doesn’t necessarily make me town read you at all

The fact that you’re top poster when I’m used to you slacking off as town is also weird, but interesting at the same time, I’m exploring uncharted territory

[insomnia]

Ame's Flippo read on page 5 was a good catch. Not liking Wimpo's vote there. You voting here there because you think she's scum, or because you think she's lying about realising you were V/LA? Stupid thing to lie about.

Cause she used my v/la as a reason to vote. Every time somebody does that I will death tunnel their ass.

I already touched on this but this is most likely a town post because scum wouldn't even care to assume such a stance. They are much more likely to base cases on inconsistency due to the nature of the game, a town is much more likely to get pissed at this push from someone else onto them as it can feel opportunistic. I don't think Wimpy fakes this as scum.

So to better answer your question. No I don’t think she lied. I think she actually thought that was an acceptable strategy and it’s not.

I don’t care if she didn’t realize it was Sunday. Even if it had been Monday, that’s when I would have just been getting back.

It’s a low life despicable reason to vote for somebody and to me that means she’s scum or a low life despicable player who thinks that it’s ok to vote somebody who’s v/la.

Either way. I don’t give a damn. I am unable to look past it. I definitely will never be able to town read this slot so the best thing to do is to get rid of her. She’s shown poor judgement and is incapable of helping town win.

Why would she push a V/LA slot as scum if she knows she's not gaining anything from it? It's like talking to a brick wall and it's essentially wasting your time, all the while not achieving anything. I just don't see an agenda behind her push on you. Might be biased because I read her slot town but please reconsider and don't make this an unnecessary thunderdome, nobody wants to sit through this negative energy day one, it's snowballing scum to an easy team due to the apathy that's being created.

I'm considering the scenario where there are 3 scums, because of what I've read so far.

Not really liking this post, mainly because what possibly could've been conveyed in the thread that gives off the feeling of 3 scum? It feels more like an attempt at fake-derping rather than actual derping. Clidd, how'd you come to that conclusion? Do you have a lot of scum leans or?

Because he wouldn't say this as scum. We played a game together, and he's acting the same way (he was town that game).

Best way to play as scum is to play how you would as town

Do you know the player TSE ? (TrueSoulEnergy) I am feeling something similar with your playstyle (scum indicative).

I like this post, not sure this PoV comes from mafia either. Feeling as though scum would just deliberately choose to push someone for their in-game content rather than just choose to compare them to another player's style, I have yet to see wolves take this approach, surprisingly. it's like trying to justify a gut feeling, all the while not being able to properly put the finger on the "why", so they choose to do it by comparing it to another player, whereas scum wouldn't even bother to make such points, hope that makes some sense.

Just catching up now...

Yes!

Vote: flippy

Also thank you for the quotes. I had actually completely missed that you had already started to consider town Aaron before you logged off.

Why did you wait for Insomnia to get on-board with your Flippy SR before voting yourself?

Don't really like this post, I don't think it accomplishes anything and is just trying to paint Ame scummy. After I sifted through this post, i think the mentality behind it is luca "scum reading" ame and trying to paint her scummy, rather than trying to deduce her alignment here, with that leading question. What is ame even supposed to answer to that?

I also don't like that the progression is

>scum reading ame
>ending to a town read
>at the end of the debate, luca still says "meh it could come from scum easily". If you are starting to town read the slot, why even point that out? Admittedly this could be just the natural progression through the catchup which i didn't check, but it still feels as though he wants to keep ame in check when he doesn't have what for

[insomnia]

I'm down to do any of flippy or luca today

[insomnia]

I already touched on this but this is most likely a town post because scum wouldn't even care to assume such a stance

Unfortunately this isn’t accurate. Regardless of alignment when people cross the line, I care and will make sure they get punished one way or another. The site mods don’t enforce rules unfortunately so I have to just make sure they die.

this post makes you even more town if anything so like...

[insomnia]

I mean I understand Ame's positioning and I'd probably defend her even if it was intentional, as I'm actually also gonna push players if I think they're scum and i wouldn't really care if they're here or not, I think that's inherently townier, because you know you're talking to a brick wall but still pushing it regardless

but in this context i think it was simply a matter of misunderstanding and I don't even think it was intentional - not sure why we're focusing so much on it and ignoring her actual attempts at gamesolving.

[insomnia]

If I was pressured to drop you I wouldn’t have come back to vote you once again and just sit on flippy

If you even think I’m the type of player to get pressured

I did and still am town reading your progression on Wimpy which was what ticked me off, that’s the only thing I got bad feels from on your slot. That’s why I ignored your wall and whatever, I actually liked it and the immediate conversations after it gained reactions.

[insomnia]

Lol Luca I’m not scum

[insomnia]

not a fan of insomnia either.

everyone eventually becomes my fan although they may not become fully aware of it

[insomnia]

flippy still scum

[insomnia]

[insomnia]

nah but fr tho that catchup is weak sauce

[insomnia]

well tbf in there i was scum reading billy and not you, you just so happened to replace in that slot and couldn't town tell, so i say that's a really bad pocketing attempt, don't appeal to my emotions as it's not gonna work

[insomnia]

if i'm your scum lean don't you have anything to comment upon my posts? at all?

[insomnia]

ok

[insomnia]

so shouldn't that make you town lean me? not following your process.

[insomnia]

Flippy, what do you make of Luca town reading you? Do you feel like you've been townie enough to get a confident town read from Luca? His reasoning is you're basically posting without any form of effort and you are always mislynched because of this.

[insomnia]

My point on the clidd read was that scum wouldn't have taken that approach and even less so state the read if they couldn't associate it with something in the thread. If they couldn't explain a read, they would've abstained completely from stating it, or they wouldn't have looked for a reason such as that one to give it. That reason leaves little room for wiggle and kind of ties him to that read whereas just saying "i feel bad about your posts / you post scummy" leaves himself wiggle room.

whatever it's a good read i just don't know how to explain it i'm dumb

[insomnia]

if scum are faking a gut read, they'll have a shallow reason or just say "this is probably a town post" or something like that without much explaining.

but taking that approach kind of says that it's a true gut read that's hardly explainable and isn't fake i guess

[insomnia]

ame you're in cruise control rn

share more thoughts

[insomnia]

nah that read as really fake, because, once again, it wasn't even flippy that i was scum reading, he just replaced in the slot that i was heavily scum reading

so that's a really unfair statement to make and he knows it, I didn't even need to sort him, I was already tunneled on his slot and it wouldn't have mattered who repped in it.

and plus, I actually feel like that's more of a scum stance from experience alone

just cuz I read you wrong in one game (which, again, isn't even the case) it doesn't matter that i'll be 100% wrong on reading you in each game from now on

[insomnia]

This gameplay of yours isn't reminiscing of others where you were town, it feels like you aren't really that invested and you seem to be really invested and active and have a lot of direction and pull

you just lack all of that here and it makes me doubt on my read which i really don't want to because i really feel like flippy is just scum here and i don't want to tunnel you because you aren't town telling anymore in your posts

[insomnia]

I liked your explanation of wimpy and whatnot but this lazy posting is making me paranoid af.

[insomnia]

yo hectic wanna vote flippy?

[insomnia]

do it and i'll probably proxy town read you tbh

[insomnia]

you'll all fall effortlessly within my pocket



having a fun time pushing flippy here, let's lynch scum!

[insomnia]

because I am playing differently.

uhhhhhhhhh

why?

[insomnia]

That alone now made my confidence sink in further than my heart when I see my math test grade

i thought it was unintentional but now that she's claiming it was intentional feels as though there's an underlying reasoning for doing this, and if it is, it's not catching any scum or she would've come out with results if it was some sort of reaction test

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

[insomnia]

wait what is flippy still scum reading me

the whole time he's been talking to me like i'm town lol

[insomnia]

hey insom remember when you said i was scum in goodjams & mislynched me? i do

nah but fr tho that catchup is weak sauce

nah but fr tho that catchup is weak sauce

well tbf in there i was scum reading billy and not you, you just so happened to replace in that slot and couldn't town tell, so i say that's a really bad pocketing attempt, don't appeal to my emotions as it's not gonna work

i'm implying you're trash at reading me. unless you're just scum & think i'm a easy target then keep doing what you're doing

if i'm your scum lean don't you have anything to comment upon my posts? at all?

i said my reason i had a sl on you was cos of the ame thing. other than that its probably cos you're tunneling me. i just saw in good jams i did the same thing

& you ended up being town. so maybe we can't read each other at all & should address this at a later date

yo hectic wanna vote flippy?

do it and i'll probably proxy town read you tbh

Spoiler:

[insomnia]

Wimpy is town, stay strong and stay the course my child

[insomnia]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=81816

[insomnia]

@Insomnia what do you think?

I mean I'm not really agreeing with this line of thought per say but I do think Luca's pretty scummy.

My gut scum team day one that I didn't feel like sharing because it would've been shattered by everyone was Flippy and Luca both scum based on how Luca was posturing around his wagon and his sudden push on you, which is why I ended up focusing on them two the most.

can't really remember what caused that reaction in my head but it popped at me, which is why I started feeling bad about Luca in hindsight

but now with how strong of a stance Luca's taking on Flippy I want to call it a TMI read. Flippy just seems like that type of player that is very hard to read because he's not really conveying any sort of intricate thought process, so Luca feeling so confident about him being town is , especially not because he's trying or anything, but because "he's effortlessly posting". Not even taking a stance of "he doesn't have an agenda", but it's just effortless. How does effort even equate to an alignment read at all?

If he's not town read as town, then why would you feel confident in him being town if he's...not town to you based on his thoughts but rather the "effortless" posting, which is most likely NAI for flippy. It's not even truly effortless, it's kind of just doing enough posting not to get lynched. I take issue with the "effortless" as well, kind of feels like he just brushed him aside without really bothering to read much of his posts.

==============

On another note, I kind of just skimmed through the last 2 pages, I didn't have much motivation to play the game today and I also fucked my leg up during volleyball practice so I might just sit out for a bit.

[insomnia]

Early good feels from dsjstr and Flips, bad feels from Ame and Hectic.

Their post is so inoffensive and nice, it feels like they’re trying to get on people’s good sides.

VOTE: Clidd

I don’t like how he’s ignoring this game.

So far, yes. Not sure I like Luca's clidd vote though.

I have reason to believe Clidd doesn’t like playing as scum, and he’s ignoring this game while being active on site.

I hate making reads on stuff like this, but it is what it is.

I’ll get to this tomorrow, but does anyone else think Ame’s entrance post was very nice/inoffensive?

That’s certainly the feeling I got from it, so their denying it seems strange to me.

I also don’t get was unnatural about my ‘unvote’ (which was actually a change in vote) Ame, so perhaps you could elaborate on that.

So far, yes. Not sure I like Luca's clidd vote though.

I have reason to believe Clidd doesn’t like playing as scum, and he’s ignoring this game while being active on site.

I hate making reads on stuff like this, but it is what it is.

What happened to your Ame read then? No interest in pursuing that further?

Just noticed this.

Nothing happened to my Ame read, but I got pinged by Clidd for the reasons mentioned. I’ve been in two game with him, he was scum in both and did the same thing - posted a couple of times then replaced out, while remaining active onsite. I can conclude from this that he simply hates playing as scum, and my vote will remain on this slot until he starts contributing.

My SR on Ame has since become stronger, however, for reasons I’ve already alluded to and will expand more on soon.

Spoiler:

Town
AaronFrost

Leaning Town
insomnia
dsjstr
Luca Blight
Hectic

Leaning Scum
Wimpy
clidd
Emperor flippyNips

VOTE: ame

Yeah I didn’t like their opening post either & im liking Aaron rn

Liar.

Early good feels from dsjstr and Flips, bad feels from Ame and Hectic.

Why do you have bad feels on ame.? I get the hectic one

Vote: flippyNips

This is bad - why are you assuming Flips lied, and did not simply agree with my reasoning?

I notice you changed me to a SR from a TR shortly after this post despite the fact I hadn’t posted in between. Should I assume your initial TR was a lie as well?

I already think scum is in Ame, Clidd, Hectic.

Ame, Clidd being the most likely pairing atm.

I need to see something from that Clidd slot before I even consider hammering, though.

Hectic, unvote Flips please. I want to catch up without worrying about a lolhammer.

Just catching up now...

Yes!

Vote: flippy

Also thank you for the quotes. I had actually completely missed that you had already started to consider town Aaron before you logged off.

Why did you wait for Insomnia to get on-board with your Flippy SR before voting yourself?

Like just read this and if you need me to point to anything specific, ask me.

the bolded is more likely a scum thought than not, there can be re-evaluation, it just reads as really really fake bravado in order to start something, I believe this is at the point where flips was being wagonned like crazy. I don't believe the intent was to sort Ame, it was more a loaded question to make ame look scummy and put her in a defensive position while Luca is distracting from the flippy wagon.

Plus his development of the flippy read is like......He could've read him for his "effortless posting" a lot earlier, I have issues with the time in which he does express this read.

VOTE: Luca

[insomnia]

The bolded is literally setting the grounds for an accusation that I don't believe Luca as town would've gotten to so easily without having anything too strong to focus on in the past. It read to me as an attempt at starting a wagon and it doesn't fit in with my mental map of how a town would start it, which is based around previous probing and a lot of questioning and not just so sudden, there needs to be a really obvious progression to that point. A tunnel doesn't

just

start out of nowhere unless there's something REALLY incriminatory which I don't see from my perspective. I know this because I am the definition of a town tunneler.

And the inoffensiveness that Luca was gut reading scum from Ame isn't really something too strong and it won't enable a tunnel like that. The interaction is just faked and that's it.

[insomnia]

Getting my foot iced up

[insomnia]

Anyway, I am not so focused to position myself with certainty in relation to Aaron, since this could have been a failure in my interpretation about him, as well as Luca, but my position on Luca being locktown continues and will continue even while I'm alive in this game.

literally why

[insomnia]

meh playing mafia is my addiction so i'll probably be here still for a bit and respond to shit or even read last pages

[insomnia]

This is so different than Aaron's scum game and Luca not seeing it is bad. He's also been pushing all town slots (imo) the whole game, which looks even worse, but his progression on Ame reeeeeeks of scum.

yo dsj i liked your slot previously can you maintain that read for me please? if i'm able to town read you correctly here i might be close to a winning PoE tbh

Aaron in here is really inquisitive, reacts well to pressure, whereas in last game he shat his pants when I pushed him.

unless this man has multiple personalities i'm inclined to say this is an obvtown slot

[insomnia]

My point was that it couldn’t have been a town tunnel, but thanks for proving my point by implying you weren’t actually tunneling her lmfao

[insomnia]

Hi strawman

I said that I thought it was the case then my case literally says why you two aren’t scum together

My read on you has nothing to do about you and flippy being scum together, I was just oulining my process and keeping it as transparent as possible. It was describing why I started probing you, etc etc

My case is literally not what you described, that just adds more value to it, although low. Those are some additional points and do not even come close to describing my confidence on why I scum read you.

[insomnia]

My point is that it’s faked bravado and not a tunnel, as a tunnel would mean you had previous reasoning that lead up to starting a tunnel. You had none.

That’s literally it.

[insomnia]

Because I trust my town reads? To be fair you are pushing the obvious ones, it’s not like you’re pushing the people I’m unsure of.

Your flippy read is TMI.

Your Aaron push is bad.

Your Ame progression was scum.

That’s the case.

[insomnia]

I don’t know for sure but based on my evaluation right now, these are my thoughts

Stop cherrypicking. Of course I’m gonna scum read you even more if you can’t see certain players that I deem as obvious town as town. What do you even mean????

[insomnia]

Why is your immediate thought that I must be scum because I can’t enter your mind?

That line read as scummy to me, rhetorical or not, that’s what it felt to me. Other people can weigh in on this too.

[insomnia]

Is that an actual thought you have? Lmfao

If you’re gonna push my top town read, especially when we have the same experience with them (Aaron), then why the fuck wouldn’t I scum read you for not seeing what I’m seeing?

He’s playing so differently than his scum game that there’s no world where this guy is scum

And you not seeing it of course is gonna make me scum read you more

[insomnia]

Oh no don’t switch the topic man, you wanted to speak about this out of your own volition, then speak about this

[insomnia]

I can’t believe that not once in your life as town didn’t scum read someone because they were pushing someone you saw as obvious town

The fact that you’re saying this is untrue and not a metric that town have for evaluating someone is just flat out lying

[insomnia]

Not to mention you’re making it look like that’s the crux of my case when it’s not even about that

The actual relevant points you dismissed as “lol that’s bad”

I will lynch you today in 9999999 ways and that’s just with a single rope

[insomnia]

BRO WHAT???????????????

IT’S LITERALLY ONE GAME DIFFERENCE APART

nah whoever’s not on this is scum claiming

I’m tunneled

[insomnia]

The simple fact that Aaron has been diametrically opposite of his scum game which was his last one before this

And you even suggesting “he would strive to improve” while neglecting how hard it is for someone to switch up their meta from a game to another

Is just scum.

God may protect the ones who are opposing this lynch as I’ll personally unleash the fury of a century upon them

[insomnia]

I’m holding the game hostage

[insomnia]

No like you have to vote Luca

Guy’s bleeding scum

[insomnia]

Gladiate : Luca Blight

[insomnia]

Bro stop attributing your reasons for scum reading aaron onto me and saying I town read him for them and thus my read is bad.

My reasoning is literally not that. I said I liked how he handled my slot, it’s about him reacting well to pressure and being involved in scum hunting rather than him taking stances like he did last time. His questions last game were lame af.

[insomnia]

What even gives you the feeling of frost being cautious?

[insomnia]

Where are you

[insomnia]

[youtube]https://youtu.be/8KWf_-ofYgI[/youtube]

Yeah i didn’t really read your posts last game tbh as you were low impact, I actually remember saying pretty much nothing about you except for “he’s town” and then just left it at that (sorry if it sounded rude but that’s how it went for me)

I just remember me tunneling him and lynching him and you looking town off it because you were pushing him, didn’t read nothing into it as he was already caught from my pov before you even decided to probe him before he slipped

[insomnia]

[insomnia]

I obviously read some of em

But if this explanation came anytime on pages 22 through 25 I already said I haven’t read them

[insomnia]

I’m gonna listen to some ASMR shit and calm down and then sleep

And then gonna listen to some hard rock shit or one of them space jam remixes to hype me up for the lynch

but that’s gonna be tomorrow
P-edit:

That’s.Not.Why.I.Am.Only.Scum.Reading.You.For

And yes, yes I do. Already explained myself.

P-edit-p-edit ninja:

That’s what pinged me and again, the point is not what type of question it is. I could give less of a fuck if it was a rhetorical or an interogatory or whatever type of question, it was scummy and the outcome it had was to raise awareness on Ame.

[insomnia]

What material

Aaron is diametrically opposite from his scum game

You are pushing him

I scum read you

Stop moving goal posts

[insomnia]

My REASONING FOR TOWN READING FROST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW HE RESPONDED TO YOU

[insomnia]

My town read on Aaron came tons of pages before that

Ame you even commented on them

[insomnia]

Luca’s literally blatantly misrepping me hello???

The bravado was about Ame lmfao

[insomnia]

I HAVEN’T READ SO HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW WTF WAS GOING ON?

He reacted to MY pressure and that’s what I’m saying I was town reading, not him reacting to YOURS

You’re not even reading my posts

[insomnia]

Yes because he’s a completely different person this game and not scum.

The way he interacted with me was super townie and there was nothing overall for me to scum read following that. He asks a lot more questions here whereas in the last game he was revolved around taking stances for like 90% of the time. He reacted poorly to pressure and he was really townie when pushed by me.

I didn’t read his exchange with Luca and I did mention it.

Night night

[insomnia]

This feels just like in the last game where I suspected you, and you tried to deflect from it by suspecting me in return.

so this is the reasoning of "reacts poorly to pressure"? That's the only thing I'm seeing in your iso that explains even the slightest about this aspect, yet you've mentioned it endlessly.

[insomnia]

ok, wanna develop on that?

[insomnia]

cuz i quite frankly don't know what you're seeing

[insomnia]

Here's a similar post from Frost's last scum game:

And why hadn’t you mentioned the ‘lack of Town vibes’ until now? Again, it seems convenient timing.

The timing of your vote is pretty convenient too.

You were scumleaning me, then townleaning me, then scumleaning me again. Explain that progession.

I suspect him and he immediately turns it round to me. He even uses similar wording like '

explain that progression'.

this?

[insomnia]

Ctrl + f'd "pressure". This is what it comes up with.

to my pressure was literally the same as the previous game.

His reaction to my pressure was the same as the previous scum game which you’re conveniently ignoring.

and you WOULD have taken his reaction to my pressure into account if you were Town.

Maybe Frost handled earlier pressure well, but if he later handles pressure just like his scum game then surely any Townie would take a moment to consider if they were wrong, especially when their read is so based on meta, as Insomnia's Frost read is.

My point is that, while your general play has been different (which is Nai) your reaction to pressure was the same as your scum game, which is alignment indicative. This nullifies any argument that you must be Town for playing differently.

My counter to that is that he reacted to pressure in the same way as that game, which nullifies your point.

none of this explains how "reacting to my pressure like his scum game" is valid / why he reacts like his previous scum game.

That's all I'm asking and you keep making it not about this when it's clearly about this. i'm asking you to present WHY you think he's handling your slot the same as last scum game, because I am not seeing that, so you should explain yourself

what's so hard to comprehend?

[insomnia]

it feels like you're swinging at random right now.

[insomnia]

My whole point is that he's literally not the same as his scum game and you say he is. I want you to explain WHY you feel like he's more likely scum than his previous game, which you never had, but kept on pushing ghost theories about how Aaron is obvious scum because of how he reacted to your pressure, even though you have NO MENTIONING of why you think he reacted poorly, you just claimed he did and left us to figure it out, which is a scum tactic.

[insomnia]

That is me explaining why Frost isn’t Town based on meta, but my initial argument against him was the passive questions/fence-sitting which felt like he was playing cautiously after being Tr early on. I’m not sure why you can’t find that.

no, this doesn't expect the pressure thing, which is what i'm searching for.

this is before you applied any pressure to him. i want to know WHY you thought he was scum that reacted poorly to your questioning and that's all i asked.

[insomnia]

explain* not expect.

[insomnia]

^

[insomnia]

K I think you're blatantly lying about Aaron's meta

there's a huge difference in between this game and the other one. you suggesting that his gameplay could change so drastically in one game is ludicrous.

[insomnia]

Re-read Frost's scum game, and in that game, his early interactions were based off producing anti-spew conversations, especially with profii.

Then, he had a general theme of trying to please people and form interactions. There was a sense of aggression that was just fake bravado, especially pointed in his Macabre read. That fake bravado is immediately spotted because his arguments suck even if he acts confident.

Which is nothing like his game here. He didn't look to please anyone, he started by pushing Ame, and his push was also significantly different to how he voted me in the last game, in there he voted me with a question, in order to make it look like an organic progression and look like he had the intent of sorting me, even though he just placed a vote on me.

With the vote on Ame, that's diametrically opposite. He voted her without looking for general opinions on the slot, and when pushed by me, he reacted diametrically opposite as well : In his last game, he still maintained the fake bravado and wanted to hold the "high ground" over me while also acting goofy and having a playful approach in order to appease me.

In here, he stood his ground and dropped the semi-aggressiveness he had at the start of the game and explained his actions, rather than beating around the push. Also, he was faster at issuing town reads than he was here, which shows he's taking his time with his reads. Also, the stances taken to questions asked ratio is significantly different, where in his scum game he had a lot more stances taken than questions asked, because he had TMI and only had to tail us off and not figure anyone out.

In here, he asked a lot more questions.

Bottom line, this guy is obviously town and it's obvious to anyone.

I asked for why he had a poor approach to your pressure which you still haven't explained, and that's maybe the only thing that I can consider being scummy about him. You're lying about the "he's reacting poorly to pressure" in order to justify your scum read on him.

Surely if it's so obvious you can put it in words, but you just flat out refuse to do so lol

[insomnia]

got plenty of stuff in my iso, which you could look through.

[insomnia]

and hasn't backed down under pressure.

ame disagrees with you.

[insomnia]

Ctrl + f'd "pressure". This is what it comes up with.

to my pressure was literally the same as the previous game.

His reaction to my pressure was the same as the previous scum game which you’re conveniently ignoring.

and you WOULD have taken his reaction to my pressure into account if you were Town.

Maybe Frost handled earlier pressure well, but if he later handles pressure just like his scum game then surely any Townie would take a moment to consider if they were wrong, especially when their read is so based on meta, as Insomnia's Frost read is.

My point is that, while your general play has been different (which is Nai) your reaction to pressure was the same as your scum game, which is alignment indicative. This nullifies any argument that you must be Town for playing differently.

My counter to that is that he reacted to pressure in the same way as that game, which nullifies your point.

none of this explains how "reacting to my pressure like his scum game" is valid / why he reacts like his previous scum game.

That's all I'm asking and you keep making it not about this when it's clearly about this. i'm asking you to present WHY you think he's handling your slot the same as last scum game, because I am not seeing that, so you should explain yourself

what's so hard to comprehend?

[insomnia]

{Wimpy/Karnage, Aaron}

{Ame, Creative/dsjstr}

{clidd, hectic}

{luca blight, flippy}

[insomnia]

Insomnia, where in all those quotes did I say Frost backed down from pressure?

semantics

p-edit : no, i think you're scum but if you somehow flip town, that would bring me back on the flippy read, because now i independently read you both as scummy, but you are way scummier than him and got me in a tunnel, which made me ignore his other points if he even made any.

[insomnia]

should be like a dash in there, mea culpa

[insomnia]

i'm not framing anything, i flat out called you scum

[insomnia]

my interpretation is my interpretation. i believe it to be correct. you're cherrypicking to prove it's not.

why would i be bothered about my interpretation just because my scum read said it's wrong?

[insomnia]

I don't think you have enough meta with me to understand me, but I'll let you in on a secret.

I don't really follow my scum read's opinions on why my read on them is wrong. actually, i don't see how anyone would

[insomnia]

moreover, i probably shouldn't even have bothered to talk with you, because it exactly ends in spots like this where people start reading it as a t/t argument because they don't want to read a whole conflict that's pages long

and just assume it's t/t

probably why people don't even listen to my reads, cuz I end up in tunnels like that

[insomnia]

Ame vote Luca

If he’s not scum then feel free to lynch me tomorrow

Wimpy’s town

I caught 2 scum on consecutive days last game, I can be BoP’d

If you let Luca slide now he’ll never be lynched and he’s endgaming

[insomnia]

I’m here

And I am not moving off Luca

[insomnia]

Somni your avatar is flipping adorable <3!

I’m a buffoon :3

[insomnia]

Vote Luca and watch

[insomnia]

if you hit my name and go to posts

you'll notice i don't only play in this game. i am multitabling in 3 games or so at the moment.

the thought you're even associating my lurking to a potential scum tell is honestly disappointing

===

I am not lacking activity, i am in top 3 posters. if you would check my activity in those games, i was in bottom posters. i also don't get into big fights like this and am very neutral, which would've been an easy meta check.

maybe if we would lynch the people i scum read then i would actually have an engagement level. i have nothing to talk about, game feels solved af which is always what i believe, and unless i find anything that contradicts this / i get side tracked, i'm just going to sit stale

[insomnia]

i've given my thoughts, Luca's scum and nothing changed.

i've told you to lynch him but you're lynching a slot i town read

my scum read has you pocketed and you won't listen to me

i'm waiting to get nk'd or until i'm proven wrong on luca, until then he's scum

you're like 60% on him or something, why are you so against his lynch>

[insomnia]

In one post-scumgame comment he even said that lack of activity is a big scum tell for him, which is what we’re seeing here as well.

like just look at this, he opened up my iso presumably in one of my scum game's and came to this conclusion without even checking my post count and comparing it to see if the fact checks out

the man's scum claiming and you're all scared because i don't know why, is he like a paragon or something? he's just scum and just because he's high posting doesn't mean anything.

[insomnia]

So how isn't it a potential tell?

because i'm second to top poster, stop listening to scum and actually fact check properly.

this is nothing like my scum games and it can be proven if you actually took the time to meta me properly

my play as scum is I literally get lynched d1 for my posting volume, which is not what's going on here.

[insomnia]

I don't care what a scum cares about my play, i do care that he's misrepping me.

I'm not the one thread sitting and quaking in fear of being lynched, hopping on every other opportunity to save myself

you didn't even comment on a single post of wimpy and still vote him over your top scum read

give me a break. the fact people actually think you're town is laughable.

[insomnia]

Spoiler:

So far, yes. Not sure I like Luca's clidd vote though.

I actually think you have quite a courageous scum game play (or you are faking it well), this beating around the bush feeling I got from the push is definitely weird, I just interpreted that as scummy at face value but having *some* experience with you it'd probably be town indicative? Might dive into your meta.

So only ame's scum?

I got some pings off of Luca's clidd vote but I need more from him + giving him the benefit of the doubt because of his V/LA

So far, yes. Not sure I like Luca's clidd vote though.

I have reason to believe Clidd doesn’t like playing as scum, and he’s ignoring this game while being active on site.

I hate making reads on stuff like this, but it is what it is.

What happened to your Ame read then? No interest in pursuing that further?

@Luca

can you link me to the games where clidd replaced out as scum? I do want more from that slot so hopefully they either post some reads soon or get replaced.

Because he wouldn't say this as scum. We played a game together, and he's acting the same way (he was town that game).

Don't you think that scum!Luca would try to emulate his towngame as much as possible?

I don't have much meta with scum Luca, the one scum game I did play with him he replaced out of so not much to go on there.

Because he wouldn't say this as scum. We played a game together, and he's acting the same way (he was town that game).

Don't you think that scum!Luca would try to emulate his towngame as much as possible?

I don't have much meta with scum Luca, the one scum game I did play with him he replaced out of so not much to go on there.

Yes, obviously, but I have personal reasons for considering him locktown.

Such as?

As long as we vote Emperor, Dsjstr or Hectic today, we're good.

VOTE: Emperor FlippyNips

If you truly TR me then trust my read on Flips.

I think dsjstr is Town as well. Hectic is a decent option, although I need to review.

Why do you townread dsj?

Clidd is probably Town for now just by the fact he's actively contributing.

VOTE: Insomnia

I'll try this for size.

I think insomnia is town actually.

I liked their engagement with me early game, it felt like he was genuinely trying to understand my thought process regarding my Ame read as opposed to just attacking it.

You think as scum he would have just attacked it?

Maybe not, but I think the way he changed his read on me was genuine and his interactions with me early on were genuine as well.

I'll look into your case against him further tomorrow though (irl).

Regarding 218, I don't like how, when asked about your read on Ame (who is the only player you've pushed so far) you basically just conclude that she and Wimpy aren't scum together, which is a really safe and obvious conclusion to make. You don't really commit to either maintaining your SR or reconsidering it.

If I'll be honest, when things get toxic between two players, I have a hard time differentiating alignments from it but from what I usually see they're never s/s.

I don't get your point about my Ame read. I did reconsider it back when I said that Ame's page 9 was good and while her town equity was rising I'm also well aware scum would do everything in that situation to get themselves townread (or at least try to).

And you can appreciate that, fmpov, it looks as though you're posturing?

It seems as though you need the thread to know you're being considered over Ame, even though essentially you've provided nothing new whatsoever. It doesn't seem natural to me, and neither does a number of your other posts in which fence-sit, such as 387, 389.

It's the way you're casting doubt over a read (which isn't necessarily bad) but then hastily adding you don't necessarily SR that player. It feels cautious and more likely to come from scum.

Basically, you're being TR and, if you're scum, have something to hold onto, which ties in with my view that you're playing more cautiously than you were in the early game.

I wanted to poke clidd about his reasons for 'locktowning' you, not because of my own reads, but because I think the reasons he townreads you for are way too hasty. Saying 'scum would never say this' then they would and have and a weak meta case of 'he played like this as town so therefore Luca = town' feels like a rushed and fabricated thought processes. My own read on you is irrelevant to those posts.

And I gave my reasons for 'slapping a TR on him'.

This feels just like in the last game where I suspected you, and you tried to deflect from it by suspecting me in return.

Why didn't you mention any of this before I called you out?

I was catching up from like page 15 or so last night and the posts that I'm scumreading you for happened after that point. I was going to call you out for them, but you called me out before I got the chance.

And like, think about it, would scumme seriously try the same deflection tactic on the same person two games in a row? I think you and I are both smart enough at this game to know that I wouldn't do that.

I even linked him the games regarding Clidd so he should have already known my reason for not pursuing that initial SR.

I'm aware of your reasons for not pursuing the scumread, but for one the initial scumread was pretty weaksauce (I didn't pursue it at the time because it seemed like clidd would either start contributing, or would flake and be replaced) but okay we can agree to disagree there.

My problem comes from the fact that since he has started contributing, there has been little to no attempt to sort him or analyze his content, and I think Lucatown would take a look at some of the things that are off in his ISO instead of just giving him a free pass.

It's basically taking my point and saying 'no u'. It's a common scum tactic. Town do it as well, but it certainly isn't Town-indicative imo.

I didn't do that though? You pressed me because you thought I was being passive and cautious, so saying 'no u' would be me saying that I think YOU have been passive and cautious, which I am not accusing you of.

And I think it's unreasonable that you're SR'ing me so strongly because I disagree on Frost.

If you want to admit that your perfect record on Aaron is now broken, I'll drop it

(But not really)

Seriously, your apparent confidence that Frost is Town based on the above is disturbing to me.

Although I kind of agree with this, I tend to get worried that I'm being pocketed whenever people overly townread me.

\The close-mindedness of Insomnia’s Luca/Flips push is so lazy and terrible that he’s probably scum.

This is the kind of statement that I almost never expect to come from town!Luca nor was insomnia pushing a Luca/flippynips team. He said it was a TMI read which implies that you both can't be scum together.

Ame look at this whole progression. There's no "falling under pressure", there's nothing, Aaron reached that conclusion naturally after Luca's terribad push.

Yet he mentioned it 2020203013015100 times without providing anything.

i'm not switching to aaron, I asked luca where he sees the "falling under pressure" which he never explained, because I disagreed with him and was trying to see where his thought process comes from. this is totally not evaluating luca

[insomnia]

I explained why I voted Karnage. Deadline is approaching and we need something meaningful to happen, and he’s done nothing since replacing in.

I’d much prefer an insomnia lynch if possible.

so you're lynching someone that you have no read on over your scum read?

[insomnia]

Ctrl + f'd "pressure". This is what it comes up with.

to my pressure was literally the same as the previous game.

His reaction to my pressure was the same as the previous scum game which you’re conveniently ignoring.

and you WOULD have taken his reaction to my pressure into account if you were Town.

Maybe Frost handled earlier pressure well, but if he later handles pressure just like his scum game then surely any Townie would take a moment to consider if they were wrong, especially when their read is so based on meta, as Insomnia's Frost read is.

My point is that, while your general play has been different (which is Nai) your reaction to pressure was the same as your scum game, which is alignment indicative. This nullifies any argument that you must be Town for playing differently.

My counter to that is that he reacted to pressure in the same way as that game, which nullifies your point.

none of this explains how "reacting to my pressure like his scum game" is valid / why he reacts like his previous scum game.

That's all I'm asking and you keep making it not about this when it's clearly about this. i'm asking you to present WHY you think he's handling your slot the same as last scum game, because I am not seeing that, so you should explain yourself

what's so hard to comprehend?

[insomnia]

like it's the same thing over and over, what do you want me to focus on? we keep coming back to this.

i think he's scum and he obviously distorts semantics when the intention behind a post matters not the actual words.

he's still not saying anything and you are all oblivious to this interaction, you're just dismissing it.

it's the same thing over and over and i just want a flip to fucking work with

if it's on luca all the better cuz he's scum

[insomnia]

it literally is just this again and again, there's nothing new for me to talk about

luca is scum and needs to get lynched

i have a pretty narrowed down PoE

i just keep saying over and over how he's scum, he just thread sits to discredit me and then i keep saying it and he discredits me and everyone wants us to stop

it's honestly fucking annoying, nothing's happening, it's just the same shit over and over again that we're not gonna avoid so just vote luca

[insomnia]

You’re actually scum-claiming yourself right now, because we had his exact conversation earlier where I showed I said the opposite to what you’re portraying.

Show me the EXACT quote where I said Frost fell under pressure.

see what i'm talking about ame? semantics.

[insomnia]

i have a perception that aaron fell under pressure in his last game which is fucking obvious and he is more concerned with twisting it than actually providing why he reacted poorly to his pressure or whatever he's saying

[insomnia]

semantics literally don't fucking matter, my point is that you made a claim that you aren't backing, just pointing the finger to

you're just cherry picking it and i have a hard time having a logical argument anyway, whenever i get back in the thread i just get sapped of any will power cuz nobody is focusing on my scum read and he just discredits me on trivial stuff

just fucking lynch him please.

[insomnia]

Well, yeah, i'm not going to lie, i've been sapped of will power because of the recent posting which is honestly obvious, like you can tell. But it's not that I'm not engaged, I just am sapped of any wim when my points keep getting discredited and people don't notice. I have a hard time actually countering this as well, whenever i come back and push my scum read, i get discredited and he's always here, calling me obvscum and cherrypicking everything, even going as far as checking my meta without actually reading anything I post in a game at all, nor looking at my post count. When I talk level of engagement I literally mean post count. I can fake being engaged if i want to, but this is honestly a bad argument to even consider in the context of this game, because i am mentally tired of having to point out to what I perceive as obvious and i just get countered on semantics and trivial stuff.

and i have to deal with nobody listening to me and everyone suggesting i work with my scum read which is just dumb.

and i already posted about your second link thing with aaron's progression. he didn't react poorly to pressure, aaron had a progression on luca and was baffled by his asinine claim, which was the fact that he would've changed his game style radically within 1 game experience apart. which is just mind boggling, it's diametrically opposite, i have proven it's diametrically opposite. especially, aaron raised a good point about luca saying he would've gained experienced after a scum game in which he...slipped and died day one? what?

[insomnia]

I don't buy that claim at all.

@Ame he disagreed with my TMI read on Flips saying it's stupid of a conclusion to come to when he claimed masons with him lmfao

[insomnia]

What kind of mason claims "it's stupid to come to the conclusion of him TMIng and it's just lazy" when he's a fucking mason and why wouldn't he just town read me for it??????

[insomnia]

whatever he doesn't make that claim as scum there

UNVOTE:

you just fucking brought absolute apathy in me for playing so poorly and tunneling me the whole damn time. how the fuck did you not come to the conclusion that i read you correctly for TMIing flippy town and defending him and then i dropped that read cuz you hard town read him???? that's literally unbelievable.

good luck i don't give a fuck anymore, this is just dumb

the fact that you thought i pointed out that soft defending in thread and you haven't town read it is making me fucking annoyed.

make yourself a fucking suspect for softing your partner, then thread sit and bring absolute apathy, not caring about the other dude's alignment at all, you just want him lynched and keep misrepping it without realising 60% of the case is complete ass

the fact that flippy was a mason is honestly unlucky cuz you had to defend him and come out like that, looking scummy

[insomnia]

Ame, don’t let my claim be in vain. Please let’s lynch Insomnia today.

Just because you claimed masons doesn't make me scum?

[insomnia]

no it doesn't, it just proves I read you correctly and was genuinely scum hunting. so here goes your lack of engagement argument, what do you know

[insomnia]

Ame I don't want to vote Wimpy, who are your scum slots?

[insomnia]

but if Insomnia was lynched I’d be conftown anyway.

no you just turn out to be a complete buffoon and you get a red nose picture like me post game

[insomnia]

Well, yeah, i'm not going to lie, i've been sapped of will power because of the recent posting which is honestly obvious, like you can tell. But it's not that I'm not engaged, I just am sapped of any wim when my points keep getting discredited and people don't notice. I have a hard time actually countering this as well, whenever i come back and push my scum read, i get discredited and he's always here, calling me obvscum and cherrypicking everything, even going as far as checking my meta without actually reading anything I post in a game at all, nor looking at my post count. When I talk level of engagement I literally mean post count. I can fake being engaged if i want to, but this is honestly a bad argument to even consider in the context of this game, because i am mentally tired of having to point out to what I perceive as obvious and i just get countered on semantics and trivial stuff.

and i have to deal with nobody listening to me and everyone suggesting i work with my scum read which is just dumb.

and i already posted about your second link thing with aaron's progression. he didn't react poorly to pressure, aaron had a progression on luca and was baffled by his asinine claim, which was the fact that he would've changed his game style radically within 1 game experience apart. which is just mind boggling, it's diametrically opposite, i have proven it's diametrically opposite. especially, aaron raised a good point about luca saying he would've gained experienced after a scum game in which he...slipped and died day one? what?

-What about my Wimpy progression was unfakeable?
-In the first link, you stated that you had not read Luca v Aaron. But you were scumreading Luca for misreading Aaron. How could you know that Luca's reasoning was bad if you didn't even read their diologue?
-The point Luca was making in the second link was about deflection not falling under pressure. Aaron reacted similarly in MN2115. It doesn't influence your perspective on Aaron?

I think the progression was natural and you'd have to plan it ten steps ahead if it was fake. It was too nuanced and checked out, it was easy to follow and to confirm. I don't think that you could've gotten out of that if you were faking interactions.

For literally the 100th time, I don't scum read Luca for his arguments not checking out. I was scum reading him because he was misreping Aaron's meta and claiming he could've easily changed it after one game, which is a scum argument to make, especially in a game where he was lynched Day 1 and wasn't caught on actual posting stuff but because he slipped. He had the opposite representation on Aaron's meta, including questions asked, when in that game he had only stances taken. It was just a deliberate misrepresentation which I found scum motivated.

No, it doesn't. Aaron's town and I'm hard vetoing the lynch. He didn't react like he did to Luca, he was scum reading Luca prior to him even pushing him, it was a lead up to, it wasn't an instantaneous reaction on the spot after being pushed. Aaron just saw Luca's asinine claim to be scummy and that's why he deflected it. Also, because aaron was leading to a luca scum read, he didn't deflect on him instantaneously, the fact that Luca pushed him at that moment triggered that reaction on him to be natural and not faked because he got caught, hope this is coherent enough to be understood.

[insomnia]

Lol, you’re the complete buffoon for your utterly blatant lies about my Frost argument. If you’re Town you’re an even bigger buffoon, but I sincerely doubt that’s the case.

you're the avatar of town's defeat, claiming masons d1 and pushing a mislynch on a person that can be BoP'd and can have a huge impact on town cohesion and direction.

you're doing it wrong.

[insomnia]

god this mason pairing

this is almost making me want to laugh as to how it went down but this is so fucking bad and i'm just pissed at you playing like a complete newb.

[insomnia]

Frost SR me before I pushed him? Where?

he had a gut ping and he was leading up to it. i posted a huge spoiler just the last page with his progression on you and it keeps going.

my point was in the scum game, he reacted instantaneously to you because you caught him

in here it's a lot more natural because he already had bad feels on your slot

[insomnia]

I thought you didn’t buy my claim btw?

like this is just making me want to stop posting and get mislynched for the first time. what's my motivation as either alignment to not buy the claim?

this is what has been going on the last pages and i just had enough of this shit

i'm scum siding idgaf

how do i get recruited?

[insomnia]

Your whole push on me was more about "who has a bigger dick" contest rather than actually pushing a scum read. you are misplacing confidence in bad points because you're confbiased and you'll look like a complete buffoon and earn your title as the avatar of town's defeat.

i'm town, stop doing this or i won't have any interest in helping and investing time into this game. you're being obnoxious.

[insomnia]

YES BECAUSE I WAS TUNNELED ON YOUR PLAY BEING SO BAD AND I WAS GENUINELY QUESTIONING YOU NOT TOWN READING MY IDEA OF YOU AND FLIPPY AND INSTANTLY SCUM READ IT RATHER THAN YOU TOWN READING

THEN I THOUGHT "WELL HE DOESN'T CLAIM THIS AS SCUM ANYWAY"

I'm done. you can't even read simple progressions and are just tunneled. hopefully scum just take you out tonight so i can play the game and catch scum instead of being tunneled on bad town.

i'm glad you claimed fwiw

[insomnia]

you just said i'm town with your first line

lmfao

[insomnia]

This is a useless argument because the very definition of a tunnel is that I don't care about someone brushing off arguments by choosing to focus on semantics, if anything, it makes me even scum read that person more. that's how tunnels work and how it works on me, most importantly.

For the most part i don't listen to what people have to say and if i scum read someone i'll go to high degrees of lynching them even if they claim it's not what they meant, because i see it as something else, and their word means nothing for me if i already scum read them.

you don't wanna apply that to me specifically. because you'll be so wrong.

[insomnia]

It is selfish of me, but I would like to be right about Insomnia and Karnage being towns, as I defined in my initial read.

VOTE: Insomnia

????????????????????

[insomnia]

Ame don't talk to Luca, there's no point. If we block him out we can find the actual scum.

Stop paying attention to him. 3 people are gonna appeal to authority and vote with him just because he claimed mason.

Why do you think Wimpy's scum? I think he's town. So's Aaron.

you're not gonna change his read and it doesn't matter, tomorrow we don't have to deal with his poor tunnel cuz he probably gets nk'd

let's solve

[insomnia]

The lynch comes down to dsjstr it looks like.

My PoE points towards that

it's in like

dsjstr / Hectic / clidd

for me, based on my town reads of other people

[insomnia]

i remember hectic having some bad early posts as well so i could vote there as well

[insomnia]

I still don't get why we should lynch Karnage here.

[insomnia]

@Ame what's your opinion on Clidd's stance on me and luca early before the conflict, during the conflict and after the conflict?

also, can i trust your hectic read? haven't really read any of his posts either and i remember him having a weak early game which i usually put a lot of stock on. can i have some form of cliff on why he's town?

[insomnia]

(mainly due to the inaccuracy in Insonia's reads)

excuse me?

[insomnia]

how would i know your methods are atypical, i never played with you?

[insomnia]

yeah well you can thank the tunneling mason for that

[insomnia]

I'm saddened to hear that, but if you're town can you actually vote who you scum read instead of throwing the game voting your town read?

if you're voting for the sake of placing a vote you're not doing anyone a favour. your vote tells us nothing as to your alignment.

[insomnia]

VOTE: insomnia

[insomnia]

Dead men tell no tales

[insomnia]

You played perfectly hectic, I was hoping you’d lurk it out and wait for me to self hammer.

I was dying after Luca’s reveal 9/10 times, unlucky. Or maybe, actually lucky, given the outcome.

I was so focused to fake associations that it literally didn’t occur to my head those two could be masons lol.

The bad part when thunder doming is that, if you will hold the thread hostage and have a brawl out, people will only have that to analyse.

You picked up nicely on my fake slips though, so good job there.

When I saw your vote I was getting a little worried and thought it was lost but nice skating

[insomnia]

Clidd is the perfect example for what you pointed out. I honestly am glad I died Day 1 because, going into Day 2, I think us as a scum pair would become a lot more obvious / we'd be forced to interact somehow, which would've gotten you lynched earlier I think.