Mini Normal 2118: Boon Gets Pretentious - [Day 4]

[clidd]

VOTE: AaronFrost

[clidd]

Tomorrow, I'll be posting my reads. I'm not used to coming into play from the start (I usually replace someone), but over time I will make up for it.

[clidd]

Ok, let's start the case:

Page 1

- Something that caught my attention was

AaronFrost

's entry in posts 5 and 6, considering that I don't think that comedic comments are necessarily healthy for the game's development, but as I have seen in other games, this is not, as a rule, an attitude that indicates alignmen (so ignoring).

Emperor flippyNips

also enters this ''sphere'' with posts 15,16,17 and 18. In contrast, Creative's engagement in post 10 and Hectic's spontaneability in post 23 are two positive points for this start.

Page 2

- Post 27 from

Insomnia

is precipitate, considering the lack of content to support such a statement. Posts 37-40 have votes basically instinctive. Post 49 from Hectic intends to mischaracterize the confident message of Creative, demoting it to the term ''Lamist''(scum point). Post 32 from

Creative

doesn't make sense when he employs the

''confrontational side''

to accuse

Hectic

(scum point).

Page 3

- Post 58 from

Ame

seems fine, I didn't see anything suggestive in the content. Post 72 from

Luca Blight

common sense (townpoint). Post 73 from

Ame

is scummy.

Page 4

- Post 91 from Luca Blight is, again, common sense (townpoint).

Page 5

- Post 109 from

Luca Blight

makes me put him as locktown. Post 114 from

Ame

is interpretive. Post 115 from AaronFrost is good (townpoint). Clash between

Wimpy

and

Ame

is not suggestive.

Page 6 - More clash.

Page 7 - Clash continues.

Page 8 - Insomnia is locktown.

Page 9 -

Ame

starting to seem less scummy.

Locktown

:

Luca Blight

,

Insomnia

Indicative town

:

Aaron Frost

,

Ame

.

Unsure

:

Emperor flippyNips

,

Dsjstr

,

Hectic

,

Wimpy

.

[clidd]

The attention that Ame attracted does not appear to be meticulously planned. I believe there is, in fact, a human town with this playstyle.

[clidd]

And yes, I am extremely confident about this read.

[clidd]

Three scum are in the unsafe pool.

[clidd]

Page 2 - Post 27 from Insomnia is precipitate, considering the lack of content to support such a statement

My point was that he can't be scum with him because scum have a chat in which they talk so there's no way Wimpy would mix up Creative's name with Creature if they were partners, which is another player on this site. And I don't believe wimpy's that good of a player to orchestrate an anti-spew like that if scum.

I see.

[clidd]

Precisely.

[clidd]

I share the same thought, Insomnia.

[clidd]

Up to page 7 thoughts:
Ame's tone and not really panicking when on L-1 feels towny, but her internal thought process is all over the place on stuff like moving Luca from town to scum, or voting for insomnia after describing him as almost locktown.
211 is really towny though. Hard for scum to fabricate a flowing thought process like that.

In your case, I did get an initial town impression from you, and having ~3 scum leans in a 2-scum game I felt comfortable enough working with that, and that if you were scum, it would show in time through your reads (i.e. if they started to radically diverge and I couldn't follow your thought process). I had a bit of doubt from your Aaron push because Aaron seemd pretty town to me, and at the time of Wimpy's antagonizing explanation, I felt you were worth exploring. What I thought to be a sudden change in your Aaron read was suspicious to me, but looking at you closer I saw that you did actually express those thoughts before. This made me feel a lot better and it was consistent with my thinking that town somni = similar reads. When I went to bed, my only lingering concern was your Wimpy read (I had intended to question it when I was back), and even that was addressed on its own. So, overall, yea I do TR you.

At what point in this thought process did the insomnia vote come in?

I already think scum is in Ame, Clidd, Hectic.

this is about where im at too rn

maybe it is insomnia instead of hectic... hmmmm

Why does insomnia need to replace me specifically? Or was I just your 3rd strongest read?

clidd's 250: Like this overall but don't like how easily you're locktowning people. Why can't Wimpy use that meta against you as scum?

Three scum are in the unsafe pool.

This is very interesting. What gave you the impression there were 3 scum in the game, clidd?

Mindmelding with most of insomnia's reads. Agree on Ame/Aaron being town.

Doro actually giving out scumreads and pushing people is a very good sign for him.

VOTE: Flippo
Flippo's posted a lot but nothing's pinged me as town (other than the Harry Potter GiFs near the start which were top tier quality).

What'd you think of clidd's wall, Flippo? And has your read on Ame changed since wanting to quicklynch her?

I'm considering the scenario where there are 3 scums, because of what I've read so far.

[clidd]

@Hectic What meta are you talking about ?

[clidd]

I am extremely sure of my two locktowns, especially Luca Blight. He wouldn't be able to associate the information about me without it being town.

[clidd]

Because he wouldn't say this as scum. We played a game together, and he's acting the same way (he was town that game).

[clidd]

I'm considering the scenario where there are 3 scums, because of what I've read so far.

3 scum is imbalanced for town for a 9 player game. Even 11 player games usually have 2 scum. Are you saying 3 scum because too many people were acting scummy in your eyes?

Is this information confirmed ? I still have the impression that there are three scums. Yes, basically this.

[clidd]

Because he wouldn't say this as scum. We played a game together, and he's acting the same way (he was town that game).

Best way to play as scum is to play how you would as town

Do you know the player TSE ? (TrueSoulEnergy) I am feeling something similar with your playstyle (scum indicative).

[clidd]

Is this information confirmed ? I still have the impression that there are three scums. Yes, basically this.

I don't see it being confirmed anywhere in the rules, but I'd be VERY surprised if there were 3 scum this game. I've never seen a 9 or even 11 player normal with 3 scum.

I wouldn't. In fact, it would make more sense.

[clidd]

So, Hectic, can i trust you or we'll probably or are we likely to collide ? we are in so many games together that your typing variation confuses me.

[clidd]

So, Hectic, can i trust you or we'll probably or are we likely to collide ? we are in so many games together that your typing variation confuses me.

Lul, I wouldn't read into my typing style at all. I intentionally vary it game-to-game.

Before I can trust you, I need your input on the best Kamek profile picture from this album: https://imgur.com/a/6cF3xdk

Esquisitão tu.

[clidd]

I mean, truly interesting.

[clidd]

But I believe that you, again, will be like a ''joker'' in my reads.

[clidd]

Determined kamek.

[clidd]

Hectic, unvote Flips please. I want to catch up without worrying about a lolhammer.

This guy is extremely locktown, I hope you see that too.

[clidd]

Well, i'll be posting only by tomorrow.

[clidd]

250 - I don't really get why Clidd has me as lock town for the posts he linked. Why would you TR someone for common sense?

And how is the post below common sense or even town-indicative?

Welcome dsjstr, but damn I’m disappointed creative left. Was looking forward to playing with them.

It seems that you misinterpreted my read's intention. Common sense, in this context, are suggestively basic attitudes or actions, with simple reasoning based on evidence or a series of information that, when linked, form a certain conclusion that is beyond the reach of possible scums, being more easily performed by towns, precisely for the intuitive behavioral authenticity, which I used to subjectively evaluate the set of posts I quoted about you. Evidently, when a fragment is separated from them, it is not possible, however, to understand the general meaning, therefore, isolating post 67 the way it was done in this post is something that significantly distances it from the proper interpretation and, consequently, contributed to the structuring of a line of thought that fits me, obviously, as extreme scum from your point of view. Possibly the two games we played in, had a greater impact on your decision making about my possible alignment placement here, if we do not consider my distance from the beginning of the game. This is problematic, considering that you are locktown to me, even though you are mistaken in most of your considerations. I believe that an approach to this, imagining myself in your place, will not be effective in changing your opinion, so I will probably be ignoring you in this game.

[clidd]

Plus: Wimpy is probably scum.

[clidd]

@Ame can i see your actual reads ?

[clidd]

Just a hunch, but being mechanically impossible, as Hectic noted, I don't think it's going to add anything to develop that.

[clidd]

Insomnia, go easy on the boy Luca. He's misdirected, but stills town.

[clidd]

Plus: Wimpy is probably scum.

Nope. Unfortunately I’m town but thanks for playing

We'll see.

[clidd]

Why would she push a V/LA slot as scum

Why would she as town?

How about I just see the act as disgusting and technically a violation of site rules and because of that she doesn’t deserve to play. I personally scum read the act. If nobody else does that’s fine.

Why is it a violation ? everyone has the right to play.

[clidd]

You are giving me absurd scum vibes.

[clidd]

Everyone also has a right to be on v/la and not be attacked for it. And I don’t care if I give you scum vibes

Was it supposed to have some emotional weight in what you are saying ? I will not change my posture towards you because of this.

[clidd]

Because he wouldn't say this as scum. We played a game together, and he's acting the same way (he was town that game).

Don't you think that scum!Luca would try to emulate his towngame as much as possible?

I don't have much meta with scum Luca, the one scum game I did play with him he replaced out of so not much to go on there.

Yes, obviously, but I have personal reasons for considering him locktown.

[clidd]

Hectic, unvote Flips please. I want to catch up without worrying about a lolhammer.

This guy is extremely locktown, I hope you see that too.

This is a bad post to locktown someone off of, scum can easily say things like that to get towncred (I've seen them do it quite a bit too). Not accusing Luca of anything, just throwing that out there.

The concern is normal, but you know my methods. I am always willing to take risks.

[clidd]

And

Wimpy

is getting the game dirty to read, I would consider a modkill here, so we can stop the progressive loss of IQ. Being offended by something so ridiculous is very superficial.

[clidd]

Good, so he's truly town. Thanks for the contribution.

[clidd]

Current read

s>

Locktown:

Luca Blight, Insomnia, Wimpy.

Indicative town

: Aaron Frost, Ame.

Unsure:

Emperor flippyNips, Dsjstr, Hectic.

[clidd]

As long as we vote Emperor, Dsjstr or Hectic today, we're good.

VOTE: Emperor FlippyNips

[clidd]

Clidd, I don't understand your solving process this game. How did you go from Wimpy "unsure" to Wimpy "locktown" because he requested a replacement? What? The reads I'm used to seeing from you usually aren't as shallow as the reasons you're locktowning Wimpy/Luca.

VOTE: clidd

I'm being more direct in this game, because I wanted to see how far Wimpy's "anger" would go. A scum would not come out that way. You're unsure by PoE.

[clidd]

Ok, i will.

UNVOTE: Emperor FlippyNips

[clidd]

You have good reads from what i saw. But Dsjstr stills scum from my list.

[clidd]

I sympathize with Insomnia's efforts, I don't see him as scum here.

[clidd]

Hum, Im back. Low energy this game. Replying soon.

[clidd]

As long as we vote Emperor, Dsjstr or Hectic today, we're good.

VOTE: Emperor FlippyNips

If you truly TR me then trust my read on Flips.

I think dsjstr is Town as well. Hectic is a decent option, although I need to review.

Ok, i will.

UNVOTE: Emperor FlippyNips

clidd, why'd you unvote on Luca's request here? Can't town be wrong about their reads? Luca was scumreading you before this, and from your perspective, you should know he's wrong about that, so why trust him on Flippo being town?

I unvoted to see who Luca would like to lynch. Yes, they can. I trust him basically by intuition.

[clidd]

My point on the clidd read was that scum wouldn't have taken that approach and even less so state the read if they couldn't associate it with something in the thread. If they couldn't explain a read, they would've abstained completely from stating it, or they wouldn't have looked for a reason such as that one to give it. That reason leaves little room for wiggle and kind of ties him to that read whereas just saying "i feel bad about your posts / you post scummy" leaves himself wiggle room.

whatever it's a good read i just don't know how to explain it i'm dumb

Thanks.

[clidd]

You're saying scum wouldn't fake a read which they couldn't explain, right? But clidd stated a read... and explained it. I'm not sure what you mean. Also, clidd's default is having reasons like that for reads, and that is one of his good ones. But the townlocking thing and confidence there is what concerns me. I don't think it's natural to go from "unsure" to "townlock" on Wimpo on a replace out.

Also, clidd, Wimpo's replace out happened in other games too. Does it still make him a townlock?

It depends on how this chain of events took place. Anger in one game can also reflect in other games, so i will keep my ''townlock''. And yes, I am far from playing normal. Generally, games like this, with a lot of "noise" do not prompt me to look any further. Of course, this may change as the number of players is reduced.

[clidd]

Clidd is probably Town for now just by the fact he's actively contributing.

VOTE: Insomnia

I'll try this for size.

I think insomnia is town actually.

I liked their engagement with me early game, it felt like he was genuinely trying to understand my thought process regarding my Ame read as opposed to just attacking it.

I share the same opinion.

[clidd]

Because he wouldn't say this as scum. We played a game together, and he's acting the same way (he was town that game).

Don't you think that scum!Luca would try to emulate his towngame as much as possible?

I don't have much meta with scum Luca, the one scum game I did play with him he replaced out of so not much to go on there.

Yes, obviously, but I have personal reasons for considering him locktown.

Such as?

Such as intuition.

[clidd]

Are y'all just like coldhearted mafia consumers? To me, mafia is a social game, and I enjoy making friends in the process.

How were my RQS answers?

Felt bad that no one answered Ame's questions, so:

• What is the origin of your name?
  
• Do you like being scum, huh?
  Do you enjoy your scumminess? Do you revel in it like some sort of sick fast-food worker, who despite being sick is forced to come into work anyway because they aren't offered paid sick leave and need every working hour they can get just to get by?
  
  
• If Wimpy was driving a burger-mobile from the North, Aaron, electric banana skates from the South, Insomnia, a baseless read from the West, and Luca, a golden chariot
  from the East
  also from the West, who would you vote for?
  
• If Wednesday?
  
• Are you ready to join the town corpse...I mean Corps!?

1) Landed on "Hectic" as an online name more than a decade ago. I like it.
2) Absolutely. I relish being scum, and you'll often find me replacing out of games where I roll town. What's the point of playing mafia if you don't get to lie to your friends?
3) I'd vote for Ame driving in with the RQS from the East.
4) It's the horse's name?
5) I need a list of benefits first.

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% Scum: 87.9

This exceeds the passing threshold. Please proceed to the extermination chamber for further processing.

In your case, I did get an initial town impression from you, and having ~3 scum leans in a 2-scum game I felt comfortable enough working with that, and that if you were scum, it would show in time through your reads (i.e. if they started to radically diverge and I couldn't follow your thought process).

I had a bit of doubt from your Aaron push because Aaron seemed pretty town to me, and at the time of Wimpy's antagonizing explanation, I felt you were worth exploring.

What I thought to be a sudden change in your Aaron read was suspicious to me, but looking at you closer I saw that you did actually express those thoughts before. This made me feel a lot better and it was consistent with my thinking that town somni = similar reads. When I went to bed, my only lingering concern was your Wimpy read (I had intended to question it when I was back), and even that was addressed on its own. So, overall, yea I do TR you.

At what point in this thought process did the insomnia vote come in?

The colored part. Aaron was my only town read at the time. Insomnia was more of an impression. Wimpy's points about Insomnia not reacting to his antagonism made sense to me and I felt that avenue was worth exploring.

@Ame can i see your actual reads ?

I don't have strong reads at the moment. Currently, from towniest to most suspicious, my impressions are something like: Clidd > dsjstr > Aaron > Insomnia > Wimpy > Hectic > Luca > Flippy

Earlier today I was feeling stronger about Luca because his interaction with me came off as less curt than I'd expect, which gave me the impression that he was treading lightly. The reasoning in #342 is also suspicious to me. Luca claims that he felt better about me by 84, but I hadn't done anything differently. I was still joking around. This reinforces my initial suspicion that his reasoning for voting me wasn't genuine and that he's only making this claim to justify his switch to Clidd. That being said, he's currently trending up from this last page, particularly from his request for Clidd to switch from Flippy, which doesn't seem a probable scum move.

Aaron is trending down for seemingly not comprehending my sarcasm, which is just weird.

I'm paranoid of Insomnia. I'm not quite sure what about my post was so townie.

djstr's approach to the flippy wagon reads town to me.

Clidd seems like he believes his reads and I like his tone.

I still think Wimpy could have been emulating his tunnel. If he really felt the way he did, I'll be disappointed. This is another reason why I'm wary of Insomnia, for ~clearing Wimpy in 364 and 375. I think it's very possible Wimpy was mimicking the type of behavior he is town read for. That being said, I do think he's more likely town than not.

I don't feel one way or the other about Hectic. He's only on the lower end because of how I feel about those above. I did have a hypothesis that only scum would take the time to answer my opening questions, but I'm not going to use that against him. If he does flip scum, however, I'm definitely going to use this for a future game :3

Thanks, I believe that the authenticity of your posts was what motivated me to increase your position on my list.

[clidd]

This is what I'm more used to seeing from clidd as town: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11552826

As town, he's very analytical and has good fleshed-out reasons for sorting people, but I'm not seeing the same thing in how he's townlocking Wimpy/Luca here. The reasons given there don't warrant a townlock. Not 100% I saw this, but why are you townreading him, AaronFF?

Because he wouldn't say this as scum. We played a game together, and he's acting the same way (he was town that game).

Best way to play as scum is to play how you would as town

Do you know the player TSE ? (TrueSoulEnergy) I am feeling something similar with your playstyle (scum indicative).

I like this post, not sure this PoV comes from mafia either. Feeling as though scum would just deliberately choose to push someone for their in-game content rather than just choose to compare them to another player's style, I have yet to see wolves take this approach, surprisingly. it's like trying to justify a gut feeling, all the while not being able to properly put the finger on the "why", so they choose to do it by comparing it to another player, whereas scum wouldn't even bother to make such points, hope that makes some sense.

@Hectic, what do you think about this point?

It's interesting. + point for clidd since I can see the logic where scum are less likely to have a nuanced thought process where they start comparing scummy behaviour to players they've played with before which have scummy playstyles.

Still don't like clidd overall though, like him putting me in the Unsure category for "PoE" alone is also something I'm not used to. His reasons for sorting seem a lot less substantial than his town-game.

I don't like using PoE as a justification, but given the circumstances, I believe it was the best option. I am not so excited to consider more elaborate speculations at the moment.

[clidd]

@Clidd looks like your intuition was wrong.

No,

absolutely not

. Of course, he may be confused, or even acting sporadically, but he remains town. The point where he looked for my two games, was where I became convinced of that. It would be very easy to push me to get lynched based on the premise of Hectic, for example, which creates a parallel with the effort that I usually apply in some matches. Considering that he did not act according to 3 or 4 scenarios in which he could definitely have achieved my lynch today, it is plausible to confirm him as locktown (at least in my view). It is also likely that he still has a strong SR on me, but prefers to simulate an apathy about it in exchange for my collaboration, judging that statistically, it is advantageous to have support in the voting phase, regardless of alignment.

[clidd]

And yes, I am inclined to agree with his conclusions. However, I don't know if it became notorious, but it seems quite obvious that he is instigating Aaron's reaction right now. The dialogue between both was not purely accusatory, but suggestively informative. Luca is trying to sort out the peculiarities of Aaron's behavior in this game, disregarding the neutral standard he usually sets in his games. By doing this now, it becomes more unlikely that Aaron, in case of being scum, will be able to draw his way to the mid/late game, especially due to the verbal discrepancy and high potential for antagonization if, in fact, the 3-way or 4-way players occurs.

[clidd]

Regarding timing, it's probably from being V/LA and in general being in a different time zone to most players. I usually have to catch-up on loads of pages each day.

Regarding soft pushes, I haven't had reason to massively SR anyone until now. I don't see my push on Frost as being soft.

And, in response to the worsening of his suspicions, he made this post aiming to remove his suspect from the comfort zone, consequently, intensifying his search for reads and reactions in this type of interaction.

[clidd]

@Clidd looks like your intuition was wrong.

No,

absolutely not

. Of course, he may be confused, or even acting sporadically, but he remains town. The point where he looked for my two games, was where I became convinced of that. It would be very easy to push me to get lynched based on the premise of Hectic, for example, which creates a parallel with the effort that I usually apply in some matches. Considering that he did not act according to 3 or 4 scenarios in which he could definitely have achieved my lynch today, it is plausible to confirm him as locktown (at least in my view). It is also likely that he still has a strong SR on me, but prefers to simulate an apathy about it in exchange for my collaboration, judging that statistically, it is advantageous to have support in the voting phase, regardless of alignment.

Don't you think if he's scum, you townlocking him would incentive him to not push for your lynch? You're not the only viable mislynch for scum.

Ame, how much have you played with AaronFF/Luca before?

No, he would be more cautious. The correct move here, socially speaking, would be to further question my motivations for believing in him and, probably, start a wagon based on the oscillation present in the numerical factor of my activity. This would be done almost automatically, if he had a scum mindset. However, as I was able to observe, he preferred to reveal this aspect and seems to accept, temporarily, my existence for the time being, when he could be building associations out of the read he got from recycling and citing my two scums games. The scenario in which he is taking advantage of this does not come to my mind, and I do not intend to review this position.

[clidd]

No, he would be more cautious. The correct move here, socially speaking, would be to further question my motivations for believing in him and, probably, start a wagon based on the oscillation present in the numerical factor of my activity. This would be done almost automatically, if he had a scum mindset. However, as I was able to observe, he preferred to reveal this aspect and seems to accept, temporarily, my existence for the time being, when he could be building associations out of the read he got from recycling and citing my two scums games. The scenario in which he is taking advantage of this does not come to my mind, and I do not intend to review this position.

Wouldn't him being more cautious and not pushing the read be scum indicative then? Like if I'm Lucascum who's noticing that townclidd is willing to locktown me based off of almost nothing, then that's someone I'd try to keep alive to give myself extra armor.

Also since you never confirmed one way or the other (unless you did and I missed it), do you hate playing scum? Why did you replace out of those two games?

The reasoning would be correct if we were talking about a newbie player, considering that this type of thinking is extremely simple and easily detectable. By the way, why would he act this way with you in the game, if you've played together before? it has no cohesion. Any kind of stimulus in the interaction between me and him would be suspicious and therefore would attract unnecessary attention - just what he would avoid in a scum scenario. These two substitutions were coincidental. The question of preference on alignment is indifferent to me, as it depends more on the match. ''Noisy'' games with lots of posts and discussions are less interesting to me, since my tendency is to start the game slower. As well as very fast matches. The middle ground is difficult to find, given the peculiarities of my personal taste, but I believe that over time I will be able to align that.

[clidd]

And I think it's unreasonable that you're SR'ing me so strongly because I disagree on Frost.

If you want to admit that your perfect record on Aaron is now broken, I'll drop it

(But not really)

Seriously, your apparent confidence that Frost is Town based on the above is disturbing to me.

Although I kind of agree with this, I tend to get worried that I'm being pocketed whenever people overly townread me.

I can't help it that you're obvious

@Clidd looks like your intuition was wrong.

No,

absolutely not

. Of course, he may be confused, or even acting sporadically, but he remains town. The point where he looked for my two games, was where I became convinced of that. It would be very easy to push me to get lynched based on the premise of Hectic, for example, which creates a parallel with the effort that I usually apply in some matches. Considering that he did not act according to 3 or 4 scenarios in which he could definitely have achieved my lynch today, it is plausible to confirm him as locktown (at least in my view). It is also likely that he still has a strong SR on me, but prefers to simulate an apathy about it in exchange for my collaboration, judging that statistically, it is advantageous to have support in the voting phase, regardless of alignment.

Him not acting in the way you think would be optimal for him as scum is not a town tell. And the idea that he has a secret SR on you is entirely unwarranted and you know it.

And yes, I am inclined to agree with his conclusions. However, I don't know if it became notorious, but it seems quite obvious that he is instigating Aaron's reaction right now. The dialogue between both was not purely accusatory, but suggestively informative. Luca is trying to sort out the peculiarities of Aaron's behavior in this game, disregarding the neutral standard he usually sets in his games. By doing this now, it becomes more unlikely that Aaron, in case of being scum, will be able to draw his way to the mid/late game, especially due to the verbal discrepancy and high potential for antagonization if, in fact, the 3-way or 4-way players occurs.

His read is serious, not investigative. He even stated that this is his first massive scum read.

Hum, no. There are no predefined limiters of what is or is not considered a towntell under points formulated from someone's subjective perception, especially if we enter the individual spheres of thought, which are shaped by experiences that diverge between players. So what for me can be a gigantic towntell, for you, however, can be null. I don't see why my speculation about a hidden SR is not valid, considering that a good strategic part of our thoughts are not transparent to the public. An example of this would be to tell your plan openly and expect it to work properly, when you could have used the element of surprise to enhance its effectiveness. And about his tone, obviously, it is not difficult to deduce the fact that Luca questioned more aggressively the reason for Aaron's behavior to collect information, as well as realizing that the seriousness content is relatively suggestive and tends to seek more firmness in the interaction between the two. In other words, try asking a criminal if he murdered a person in a friendly tone, I guarantee your answer will not be satisfactory.

[clidd]

Actually I'm more surprised that you haven't brought it up yourself and just kind of accepted the weaksauce townread on you with little justification.

420 - "Clidd is probably town for now just by the fact that he's actively contributing"

do you actually believe that? Walk me through that read a little more.

Plus: Town Aaron would be able to assimilate this, even though it’s unusual.

[clidd]

Anyway, I am not so focused to position myself with certainty in relation to Aaron, since this could have been a failure in my interpretation about him, as well as Luca, but my position on Luca being locktown continues and will continue even while I'm alive in this game.

[clidd]

Should I consider chemical pseudo-manifestation as a positive indication ?

[clidd]

Honestly.

[clidd]

Well, this is the kind of uninteresting game to read and play. The funny thing is the fact that both are town fighting each other.

[clidd]

Spoiler:

And I think it's unreasonable that you're SR'ing me so strongly because I disagree on Frost.

If you want to admit that your perfect record on Aaron is now broken, I'll drop it

(But not really)

Seriously, your apparent confidence that Frost is Town based on the above is disturbing to me.

Although I kind of agree with this, I tend to get worried that I'm being pocketed whenever people overly townread me.

I can't help it that you're obvious

@Clidd looks like your intuition was wrong.

No,

absolutely not

. Of course, he may be confused, or even acting sporadically, but he remains town. The point where he looked for my two games, was where I became convinced of that. It would be very easy to push me to get lynched based on the premise of Hectic, for example, which creates a parallel with the effort that I usually apply in some matches. Considering that he did not act according to 3 or 4 scenarios in which he could definitely have achieved my lynch today, it is plausible to confirm him as locktown (at least in my view). It is also likely that he still has a strong SR on me, but prefers to simulate an apathy about it in exchange for my collaboration, judging that statistically, it is advantageous to have support in the voting phase, regardless of alignment.

Him not acting in the way you think would be optimal for him as scum is not a town tell. And the idea that he has a secret SR on you is entirely unwarranted and you know it.

And yes, I am inclined to agree with his conclusions. However, I don't know if it became notorious, but it seems quite obvious that he is instigating Aaron's reaction right now. The dialogue between both was not purely accusatory, but suggestively informative. Luca is trying to sort out the peculiarities of Aaron's behavior in this game, disregarding the neutral standard he usually sets in his games. By doing this now, it becomes more unlikely that Aaron, in case of being scum, will be able to draw his way to the mid/late game, especially due to the verbal discrepancy and high potential for antagonization if, in fact, the 3-way or 4-way players occurs.

His read is serious, not investigative. He even stated that this is his first massive scum read.

Hum, no. There are no predefined limiters of what is or is not considered a towntell under points formulated from someone's subjective perception, especially if we enter the individual spheres of thought, which are shaped by experiences that diverge between players. So what for me can be a gigantic towntell, for you, however, can be null. I don't see why my speculation about a hidden SR is not valid, considering that a good strategic part of our thoughts are not transparent to the public. An example of this would be to tell your plan openly and expect it to work properly, when you could have used the element of surprise to enhance its effectiveness. And about his tone, obviously, it is not difficult to deduce the fact that Luca questioned more aggressively the reason for Aaron's behavior to collect information, as well as realizing that the seriousness content is relatively suggestive and tends to seek more firmness in the interaction between the two. In other words, try asking a criminal if he murdered a person in a friendly tone, I guarantee your answer will not be satisfactory.

Many tells are subjective, but they are still either valid or invalid. In this case, however, your town tell is objectively invalid. There are a number of reasons why Luca wouldn't push you:

• 1. He felt it would look bad pushing you. This particularly makes sense because he received early suspicions for his vote on you.
  2. He is playing cautiously and didn't feel there was a solid enough reason to push you.
  3. He felt it would be more advantageous for you to town read him than it would be to lynch you.

Only if you have evidence that eliminates each of these possibilities would your reasoning and tell be valid. Yet the evidence is actually in favor of point 1.

As for he having a secret scum read on you, it's a gross assumption about the mindstate of another that you simply have no foundation for.

What you have described enters the individual sphere of subjective thought that I mentioned earlier. A point can be valid or invalid, provided it is proven or disproved, respectively. The fact that there is more than one possibility, in this context, does not invalidate my reasoning, nor does it detract from my speculations about a possible hidden, but not admitted, SR. And no, the evidence is not one-sided and remains open to interpretation. Unless you have some particularity that allows you to read Luca's subconscious, I believe that my speculative space will remain the same. Not to mention five or six other possibilities that you probably didn't think about, but that would be irrelevant to quote now. Also:

1. No, as observed by Hectic in post 440, there were traits that would make possible, since my past games were analyzed, an accusation based on the deviation of behavior that I am exhibiting in this game, considering that my posts do not represent the same standard that I normally follow as alignment.

2. The opposite: he created a parallel with the two games that I was scum, comparing the constancy of activity as a determining characteristic to show that, due to the fact that I did not '' abandon '' the game, there is a significant margin that points to the possibility of me being town.

3. This consideration is incomplete, but it seems vaguely to fit one of the points I drew in my sketch.

I don't exactly understand the intention of this interaction, but I believe that because you were previously among my locktowns, I don't have to worry about it so much. It seems that the paradox of choice is directly affecting your current considerations, especially due to the emerging questioning stance that, at first, seems slightly sporadic, but soon ranks as neutral and instigating, getting answers to not only determine the motivation of some players, but also to track lines that can, if properly shaped, indicate likely associative patterns depending on the answers.

[clidd]

Lul, I think I'm gonna have to skim though this game you guys keep bringing up. Probably be useful.

Ame, I got my games mixed up with regards to your question earlier.

Clidd, have your two townlocks being so certain of each other being scum changed your opinion on either?

No, it didn't. You probably have noticed by our games together (already closed), that I am very insistent on the speculations that I consider absolute, especially when I detect them at the beginning of the game. Although my effort is not necessarily close to what I normally demonstrate, I believe that this game, in particular, i am testing a different approach. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't.

[clidd]

At this moment, what concerns me most is the centralization of attention. If you remember the game with Cheeky, the last scum was just the guy who avoided the stage while the others argued. And this whole situation where my locktowns are considering the other scum is giving me a headache, honestly.

[clidd]

These voting distributions are a mess. Dsjstr voting Flippy ? Ame and Insomnia in a wagon ? something is wrong here.

[clidd]

Well, forget it. I need 24 hours to get my head in order.

[clidd]

I returned, my mind is relatively lighter now. I'll see what I missed.

[clidd]

@Insomnia

, are you there ?

[clidd]

I am willing to collaborate, but I would like there to see a consensus between Luca and insomnia in the same lynch.

[clidd]

Well, I was bothered by Karnage's behavior in the game. I was really sure that Wimpy's departure was due to a rage, so he would automatically be town for the attitude.

[clidd]

But I would feel better if I saw Insomnia voting too, considering that both he and Luca are absolute reads on my list.

[clidd]

After reading your ISO, Ame, I feel more comfortable about you too. I wonder if I didn't make a serious mistake and both of my strongest TR are, in fact, partners. But that would not justify the argumentative effort on both sides..

[clidd]

Good find, suggestively plausible. But why exactly did he come out that way ? the only thing that doesn’t enter my head is that he faked a chemical disorder.

[clidd]

He didn't seem to win much by doing this, unless he empathized with the slot.

[clidd]

I'm still waiting for Insomnia and now I would like to see Aaron's position about this as well.

[clidd]

Insomnia, you are both town, why are you doing this ?

[clidd]

If anger is something he emulates in scum games, yes. Otherwise, no.

[clidd]

Well, I'll be following the vote that Luca sets. There is still a small chance that Wippy left due to the discomfort in interacting with Ame. And I still believe in Insomnia as an incisive town, but it can be a problem if he establishes another similar tunnel, with another player, and the whole conflict begins again.

[clidd]

It is selfish of me, but I would like to be right about Insomnia and Karnage being towns, as I defined in my initial read.

VOTE: Insomnia

[clidd]

Actually, I am in a position where two of my lock-towns have wagons to line up, so the choice is not so important (mainly due to the inaccuracy in Insonia's reads). You probably know that my methods are atypical, as are my considerations, so I don't understand the surprise about that

[clidd]

I was referring to Hectic. Even so, your game vision is well below what I imagined seeing your typing pattern, Insomnia.

[clidd]

Unfortunately, I do not intend to engage here with full focus. Recently, I haven't been doing so well mentally.

[clidd]

Split votes close to the deadline is not something I appreciate. And I am directing my vote in the direction where Luca finds the most correct, so it is far from sporadic.

[clidd]

Actually, I am in a position where two of my lock-towns have wagons to line up, so the choice is not so important (mainly due to the inaccuracy in Insonia's reads). You probably know that my methods are atypical, as are my considerations, so I don't understand the surprise about that

Why aren't you voting another potential wagon like Karnage that isn't one of your locktownreads?

Because Karnage is Wimpy's slot. He remains on the edge of towns that I stipulated before.

[clidd]

Perhaps. It would depend on whether I'm correct about Wimpy(Karnage) or not.

[clidd]

No, that would have to be consensual with Luca's will. If you can convince him, naturally, I will also be moving my vote. Otherwise, no.

[clidd]

I don't see Karnage contributing any time soon so I'm fine with him being lynched although I think dsj is more likely to flip scum bc i sort of townread Wimpy.

Hectic I need to take a second look at.

I have the same view about Wimpy.

[clidd]

He's accurate enough to follow him blindly?

Serious question. Is he really that accurate? How much experience do you have with him?

No, there are high margins of error in the assumptions I make every game.

[clidd]

One game, he knew the three mafia on page 7 out of 21.

He's probably talking about '' Micro 918 ''. But the context was totally different, I'm not taking the same approach here.

[clidd]

Karnage is also lurking, and that's bad sign close to deadline.

This is not a peculiarity only in this game, if you look at his profile. Although it is an interesting lynch policy, I think it will not reflect positively considering the veracity of the alignment.

[clidd]

From my point of view, of course.

[clidd]

Therefore, I suggest with

vehemence

that we proceed with the lynch proposed by Luca. It is the safest and most plausible choice at the moment. I believe that the emotional instability shown earlier by Insomnia will not be a positive thing for the next day. In the case of Karnage, we can reevaluate his slot, considering that his personality is more flexible and easier to deal with.

[clidd]

He hammered himself to prevent his partner from hammering him. This would probably support Luca's hypothesis about the second scum being out of the wagon. Or, he thought he couldn't afford more time at that moment, as something might come up.

[clidd]

I'll check my notebook.

[clidd]

My current reads are:

Locktown:

Luca Blight, Wimpy (Karnage), Emperor FlippyNips.

Indicative town:

Aaron Frost, Ame.

Unsure:

Dsjstr, Hectic.

[clidd]

Depending on whether or not there was an attempt to frame while protecting Aaron from Insomnia, he could go down. But, if that didn't happen, at least for me, i just need to determine the alignment of Karnage, and I will be able to solve the game between Hectic and Dsjstr.

[clidd]

Clidd > Hectic > Aaron

I think it's more likely his partner was already on his wagon. Otherwise, why not give his partner a chance to come around and hammer. If his partner is Aaron or Hectic they just look bad. It doesn't make sense to leave them in that position.

I completely disagree. Insomnia was, in part, falsifying his reactions, but there were still traces of real anger in his typing. The time he invested heavily in arguing against Aaron may have overshadowed the development of a strategy to "rid" his partner of suspicion, which I can perfectly theorize if Karnage is town.

[clidd]

Well, it's up to you. Just as I agreed with Luca, even though I thought Insomnia was town, I will agree with you.

[clidd]

Why would he want to prevent his partner from hammering him?

Avoid a suggestive clue for the next day.

[clidd]

Clidd > Hectic > Aaron

I think it's more likely his partner was already on his wagon. Otherwise, why not give his partner a chance to come around and hammer. If his partner is Aaron or Hectic they just look bad. It doesn't make sense to leave them in that position.

I completely disagree. Insomnia was, in part, falsifying his reactions, but there were still traces of real anger in his typing. The time he invested heavily in arguing against Aaron may have overshadowed the development of a strategy to "rid" his partner of suspicion, which I can perfectly theorize if Karnage is town.

Who was he trying to rid suspicion of?

That is the question I intend to find the answer today.

[clidd]

HUH, RIGHT. NICE !

[clidd]

I remember a game where Hectic said that selfhammer was always, from his point of view,

AtE scum

. If that last sentence was genuine, perhaps it indicates he had no prior knowledge of the role of insomnia, therefore, he is

town

.

This is what I'm more used to seeing from clidd as town: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11552826

As town, he's very analytical and has good fleshed-out reasons for sorting people, but I'm not seeing the same thing in how he's townlocking Wimpy/Luca here. The reasons given there don't warrant a townlock. Not 100% I saw this, but why are you townreading him, AaronFF?

This post also emphasizes approaching a

town

!Hectic line of reasoning.

[clidd]

'' I didn't get that he selfvoted as a "trap". I'm sorry, clidd, but I never see self-voting like that as town-indicative. My first thought is always scum AtE. But maybe that's just how my brain is wired to never self-vote as any alignment if you want to win, so I just see it like that ''

- Hectic, Micro 915 (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=81863), post 1223.

That's it, I remembered.

Hectic locktown

.

[clidd]

If he were a partner, he probably wouldn't agree with Insomnia's self-vote too.

[clidd]

My pool indicates Dsjstr as scum, but I believe that I may be wrong about Karnage and, very remotely, but still possible, Aaron would be the third option as hidden scum.

[clidd]

Im thinking.

[clidd]

What if Aaron was not framed by insomnia ?

[clidd]

I'm overthinking too much about how voracious Insomnia defended him. But, definitely, he would seem extremely suspicious with the argument against Luca, so even if Luca was lynched, Insomnia would be linked to Aaron the next day, so it would be quicker to conclude that the two were partners. This scenario would not make sense, considering the motivation of the deathtunnel was to distort possible reads about Aaron from then on.

[clidd]

I will reread the game. Something might has gone unnoticed.

[clidd]

Hectic, what do you think of this post (51) in

''Mini Normal 2115''

?

'' no. first two games I was essentially bullied out of the games. I can't discuss the other two as ongoing.

problem with me is I speak my mind. i will always say what I am thinking no matter how unpopular. If you're a lurking useless player, i'm going to call you a lurking useless player.

If I scum read you for some things, and you don't like it and you want to argue with me about it for the next 20 pages, I will argue back. If you scum read me and I don't agree with you, I will argue with you and if you keep arguing with me I can keep going.

What happens in every single instance, the person i have argued with crossed the line. Bullying, inappropriate comments, personal attacks, etc. I don't tolerate that shit. Game gets heated, that's fine. You make it personal, I report it. if the mod doesn't handle it properly and I feel it will affect the way I play the game, I leave.

I play for fun. Even when I am arguing, I am having fun cause sometimes that is just part of the game ''

- Wimpy

Game

-> https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81815

[clidd]

I believe it gives an insight into Wimpy's attitude as an individual. The question would be: would it be applicable to the context of that game ?

[clidd]

Regardless of my alignment there are things I just do not tolerate. Personal attacks and attacks on people who are legitimately v/la are two of them. I don’t care if I have to get lynched first but town definitely needs to lynch you. If I have to go first so be it but you’re going to feel my wrath all game until one of us is gone.

So emulate that MFer

And

Wimpy

is getting the game dirty to read, I would consider a modkill here, so we can stop the progressive loss of IQ. Being offended by something so ridiculous is very superficial.

Wimpy has requested replacement.

I really came to consider the reaction genuine, considering that Wimpy can be someone stubborn to accept something he doesn't like and, often, be able to act in a childish way (like leaving multiple games). I don't remember why I didn't write this down in my notebook, but I added it now.

[clidd]

The simple solution, which would be to lynch Karnage for inactivity does not seem to be the closest to the

truth

.

[clidd]

I remember a game where Hectic said that selfhammer was always, from his point of view,

AtE scum

. If that last sentence was genuine, perhaps it indicates he had no prior knowledge of the role of insomnia, therefore, he is

town

.

This is what I'm more used to seeing from clidd as town: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11552826

As town, he's very analytical and has good fleshed-out reasons for sorting people, but I'm not seeing the same thing in how he's townlocking Wimpy/Luca here. The reasons given there don't warrant a townlock. Not 100% I saw this, but why are you townreading him, AaronFF?

This post also emphasizes approaching a

town

!Hectic line of reasoning.

Is that a scumclaim, Somni?

[clidd]

Well, answer Ame's questions. I think she'll do the rest.

[clidd]

I'll get some rest. Posting tomorrow.

[clidd]

Yeah, clidd, I don't think that really justifies locking me as town, but I'd definitely agree with your reasoning if there was day chat lol. I really don't like people throwing in the towel with self-hammers; but it's usually worse when town does it over scum, since sometimes there's nothing scum can do.

Hum, this reaction makes me want to get a key to unlock the lock on my speculation about you. It seems very controlled and not genuine.

[clidd]

Anyways, I will stay true to my read.

[clidd]

Flashbacks of that Cheeky game..

[clidd]

Hum.

[clidd]

The game seems a little confusing now, considering the latest interactions. Hectic would, of course, adopt a safer game at this point, avoiding the kind of dialogue he had with Dsj. Ame seemed authentic in her questions to try to resolve this case, considering that it would be more coherent to force a lynch in the most fragile slot, in this context, according to the

scum!Ame

mentality.

[clidd]

I'm still reading Karnage's slot through Wimpy's posts. Dsj seems to have conclusions a bit '' beyond '' what I'm used to seeing from

town!Dsj

(it's not an insult), but I also consider his actions well-intentioned, although, normally, his playstyle is very similar to the generic scum behavior, however, it doesn't necessarily confirm him.

[clidd]

It may be strange, but I would say that the latest

scum

, considering all my current impressions, would no longer point to

Dsj

, but to

AaronFrost

.

[clidd]

FI would like to know what Flippy thinks of the current game state, given the messages since the day started.

[clidd]

Karnage = Penguin.
Aaron = Fishy.
Ame = Bingle.
Hectic = Hectic.

[clidd]

Karnage = Penguin.
Aaron = Fishy.
Ame = Bingle.
Hectic = Hectic.

Lul, and who are you equivalent to? Farren or yourself?

Myself, probably. This also implies the error scenario.

[clidd]

But I feel that the game state is basically similar. Especially in the equivalence between Penguin and Karnage, in my PoE

[clidd]

Hum.

[clidd]

I'll reread (again).

[clidd]

''Lel'' ?

[clidd]

VOTE: Ame

[clidd]

'' ¿Puedo tener tus lecturas actuales? ''-> Spanish, '' Posso ter suas leituras atuais ? '' --> Portuguese.

[clidd]

Actually, I don't understand why they call people

'' It ''

, if it is used to distinguish objects.

'' They ''

is plural, but I saw people using it to mention someone in the singular. In my language, there's only

''he''

,

''she''

or call by name to refer to a person.

[clidd]

Well, americans are weird too.

[clidd]

I will rest. My vote will be probably on Karnage or Aaron.

UNVOTE: Ame

[clidd]

Voting tomorrow.

[clidd]

Dsjstr and I are neighbors.

The way you were playing like we were confirmed made me think you were feigning ignorance about the neighbor role.

But I just searched through all your games and it does look like you've only ever played with town friendly neighbor.

Out of curiosity, what did you think was the difference between neighbors and mason? Also, you really thought there would be 4 cleared town in a 9 player game???

Ame, can you explain this ? what do you mean by you're both neighbors ?

[clidd]

If that's true, you and Dsj should be mechanically clean as masons.

[clidd]

Nevermind, I found the meaning on the wiki.

[clidd]

Ame, from what you talked about in this private chat, did you manage to conclude anything about Dsj's behavior ?

[clidd]

I will rest. My vote will be probably on Karnage or Aaron.

UNVOTE: Ame

The latest interactions have only strengthened that.

[clidd]

It may be strange, but I would say that the latest

scum

, considering all my current impressions, would no longer point to

Dsj

, but to

AaronFrost

.

And considering what I still think about Wimpy, Karnage's characteristic inactivity, that line seems to be the closest to the truth.

[clidd]

Where you at right now for Somni's partner?

I still don't like ame but maybe its confirmation bias? idk

I have trouble seeing any sort of logical progression in their voting

@insomnia why the lurk mode?

INSOMNIA WHY ARE YOU LURKING

No survivors

lol

I guess we can try insomnia

VOTE: Insomnia

L2

@PRETENTIOUS, Luca is voting Insomnia

post 878

Willing to bet that this sequence is ame trying to get his scum partner to get into the game and then giving up at the end of the day and hoping for town cred by being on the lynch

It wouldn't have made sense for Karnage to accuse Ame directly, considering that both I, and probably Hectic, have a

TR

on her. It would be suicide.

[clidd]

I strongly disagree about Aaron being obvious. He's towny, but doesn't reach lock-level.

[clidd]

This does not make sense according to my PoE.

[clidd]

Are you willing to lose the game if Hectic flip green and you lynch me tomorrow ?

[clidd]

My intuition says that Aaron is scum, considering that the 4 of us engaged here today and he just disappeared 5 or 6 pages ago.

[clidd]

This seems TvTvTvTvT.

[clidd]

?

[clidd]

What is going on..

[clidd]

Wait, wait. Let's calm down.

[clidd]

I would like to summon up

@Aaron

here.

[clidd]

This sudden change in attitude seems to indicate that there is a

T

V

S

between Hectic and Ame. Karnage has no reason to bring this from "beyond" and not be seen as scum by these two players, who would quickly identify him.

[clidd]

@Dsj

Don't vote yet, i want to hear Aaron on this.

[clidd]

Wait a second I just noticed a contradiction:

You had literally not included me on any of your scum reads and the one time you said that it was me I changed your mind because you thought one of my comments was funny. You are the one being inconsistent.

dsj if you knew I was scumreading you before

why did you think neighbors were confirmed town to each other

? Surely you would have picked up that it wasn't the case from the way I was treating you?

Lul, I respect how cocky you are if you're scum. Unsure if I should be townreading or scumreading how you keep shifting attention/focus.

Coukd you explain why AaronFF was your third strongest scumread start of day and now seems to be your strongest townread?

''

Coukd

''

-->

Hectic

, you gave me an indication of emotional reaction

town

in that word.

[clidd]

Still .. Ame being

scum

still doesn't get into my head. Aaron being AFK in this game in the last pages would agree with my theory of him being

scum

.

[clidd]

But I had the confirmation that Hectic is

town

by the slip in the word he gave. It was a demonstration of spirits '' rising '', possibly linked to his

town

energy of solving the Ame case. Considering that he has Karnage's vote of support, he would not need to show anxiety here.

[clidd]

So the impasse is basically '' Aaron

scum

in my PoE '' vs ''

T

v

S

''.

[clidd]

Hum. Im thinking.

[clidd]

Considering that this is a

TvS

, so far, I've detected a

town

reaction from Hectic, so I'm not sure how to handle it if Ame is

scum

.

[clidd]

However, this oscillation of choices is something strange, coming from Ame. I would associate it with a

town

behavior if she were inexperienced (which is definitely not the case).

[clidd]

Oscillation of choices is a characteristic of insecurity, present in newbie players, but not so normal in more experienced players.

[clidd]

My situation is totally different from yours.

[clidd]

Considering that scum, for me, is Aaron, but everyone has different ideas, and suddenly, a conflict arises between you and Hectic, evidencing a TVS because neither of you questioned Karnage's authenticity in raising that vote, I have a lot of conflicts to deal with.

[clidd]

I don't know how my head hasn't exploded yet with these recent events.

[clidd]

But if I were to choose between you and Hectic, I would go for the emotional response and vote for you. The text I quoted, where a Hectic misspelling occurs, shows that he was anxious at the time.

Scum!Hectic

would have more nerves to stay calm, considering that Karnage is on his side. There was something about you that REALLY messed with him.

[clidd]

On you*.

[clidd]

In the scenario that I interpret as TvS, you are much more likely to be scum.

[clidd]

Wait a second I just noticed a contradiction:

You had literally not included me on any of your scum reads and the one time you said that it was me I changed your mind because you thought one of my comments was funny. You are the one being inconsistent.

dsj if you knew I was scumreading you before

why did you think neighbors were confirmed town to each other

? Surely you would have picked up that it wasn't the case from the way I was treating you?

Lul, I respect how cocky you are if you're scum. Unsure if I should be townreading or scumreading how you keep shifting attention/focus.

Coukd you explain why AaronFF was your third strongest scumread start of day and now seems to be your strongest townread?

''

Coukd

''

-->

Hectic

, you gave me an indication of emotional reaction

town

in that word.

This post.

[clidd]

Also your assumption is just wrong. To be arrogant enough to believe that you shouldn't consider those outside your current reads is bad play. Experience is irrelevant. No one is psychic.

Arrogant ? where did this come from ?

[clidd]

I'm overconfident, it's different.

[clidd]

Also your assumption is just wrong. To be arrogant enough to believe that you shouldn't consider those outside your current reads is bad play. Experience is irrelevant. No one is psychic.

'' Experience is irrelevant ''

this is extremely wrong

. Experience differentiates a good part of the attitudes and actions of one player to the other. There are cases where very obvious mistakes, as they come from inexperienced players, can be interpreted as unintentional, something that would be different when dealing with an experienced player, for example.

[clidd]

My impression or your IQ fell absurdly ? who are you ?

[clidd]

VOTE: Ame

[clidd]

No, the game ends here.

[clidd]

We are right.

[clidd]

I don't understand the point of continuing to pretend.

[clidd]

You are still

scum

and this is not going to change.

[clidd]

You are still

scum

and this is not going to change.

I already said.

[clidd]

You are still

scum

and this is not going to change.

I already said.

I already said²

[clidd]

I find it very strange to use "It" to call someone, it seems that I am treating the person as an object / animal. ''They'' in my language, it is a very serious misspelling if I use it to address someone. English has so many variations that I get confused when it comes to pronunciations. Another thing is the gender of words, which is in Portuguese (my second language) and not in English. An example would be dog (dog), which can be written as either '' dog '' or '' dog '' depending on the sex of the animal, but in English I have to add the '' Female '' to make sense of the phrase.

[clidd]

Correcting: Cachorro(male), cachorra (female).

[clidd]

So ''male dog'' would be cachorro, and ''female dog'' would be cachorra.

[clidd]

Honestly, I can't say I really even scumread Hectic. He's been completely null all game. He's really just the PoE option if Clidd doesn't flip scum.

Clidd actually has been scummy and illogical. Reading his town games, I can actually follow his reasoning and agree with it. I haven't felt that once this game.

Im not scum, just different in this game. I believe that the way you answered me there was

scum indicative

, that's why I hammered you. It was very selfish of me, but I believe it was the right decision(if you're

scum

pretending now). If you're town......

[clidd]

Well,I don't know what else to think about this game.

[clidd]

I did poorly on this game, overall. But still town, unfortunately. At least I'll be happy if I'm right about Aaron, even if I lose the game.

[clidd]

Honestly, I can't say I really even scumread Hectic. He's been completely null all game. He's really just the PoE option if Clidd doesn't flip scum.

Clidd actually has been scummy and illogical. Reading his town games, I can actually follow his reasoning and agree with it. I haven't felt that once this game.

Im not scum, just different in this game. I believe that the way you answered me there was

scum indicative

, that's why I hammered you. It was very selfish of me, but I believe it was the right decision(if you're

scum

pretending now). If you're town......

If so, I'm disappointed because you clearly misunderstood me. And your selfish act may have seriously hurt the game.

I wasn't in any fashion calling you arrogant. Your argument was that an experienced player wouldn't oscillate in their reads. I was saying that only an arrogant player wouldn't.
I was also saying that experience is not relevant to how often a person changes their reads. Of course, it's relevant to other things.

You should have ignored me, I don't withdraw from the argument when someone disagrees with me.. Strong chemical reactions made me hammer you.

[clidd]

Maybe not, he is not that active to influence the game. It would be smarter to kill the player closest to the overall TR.

[clidd]

So you, me, Karnage and Flippy will be alive, They will kill between Hectic/Aaron.

[clidd]

Considering Hectic is scum, Aaron dies. If Aaron scum, Hectic dies.

[clidd]

Well, this was simply the second worst game I've played since I joined the site.

[clidd]

To be honest, looking at it from another angle, you could have avoided this lynch if you hadn't engaged with me being L-1. I believe that your constant swing towards the player you would like to lynch was, in fact, significantly

scummy

.

[clidd]

I'm wrong about not waiting, but not entirely to justify a bad lynch.

[clidd]

You should have remained neutral in that aspect, so part of the fault is yours too. You lacked firmness when Hectic voted on you too.

[clidd]

Well, I'm being totally honest. I assume my mistake, but I also see that you made a mistake.

[clidd]

If you didn't, why 3 players were voting on you ?

[clidd]

No, it was not the second worst game. Perhaps the second worst individual performance, but this ending is definitely not something I should be ashamed of.

[clidd]

After a year of me talking about Aaron, you magically come up with that.

[clidd]

I'm starting to think that Ame is scum trolling us.

[clidd]

Clidd:

Aaron is scum |

Players:

No |

Ame

: Aaron is scum |

Players:

Yes, obvious.