Micro 922: Strawberry Mafia (Game over!)

[Ame]

Hello! Everyone, please answer these very important questions. I've spent thousands of hours researching questions that are guaranteed to distinguish scum from town. If everyone answers, we should know the scum team within the first page!

1. What is the origin of your username?
2. Why is Compath so townie?
3. When is the last time you had a strawberry?
4. Which of these would you prefer to spend your time doing this weekend (order from most preferred to least): playing mafia, attending a concert, attending a sports game, watching a new episode of your favorite show.
5. On a scale of 0 to 10, how upset would you be if we lynched you today?
6. If Hectic has 5 strawberries and DrDolittle has 2, how many does Luca have?
7. Imagine that you are scum this game: would it be true or false that you are scum?

VOTE: DrDoLittle

for voting a townie

[Ame]

4. Watching a new episode of my favorite show, playing mafia, attending a sports game, attending a concert.
Attending the concert largely depends on what kind of concert though.

What type of sports/concert?
Actually, this applies to the sports game as well.

VOTE: Compath

For being a strawberry thief.

Answer my questions, please!

[Ame]

Oops!

4. Watching a new episode of my favorite show, playing mafia, attending a sports game, attending a concert.
Attending the concert largely depends on what kind of concert though.

Actually, this applies to the sports game as well.

What type of sports/concert?

[Ame]

Attending a sports game, attending a concert, playing Mafia, watching a new episode of my favourite show

I knew it

I'd rather keep this secret, given there are strawberry thieves among us.

Your turn, Ame.

That wouldn't be fair since I have the answer key. Perhaps I'll share once everyone's responded!

[Ame]

1. It's a character from a video game I like!

What game?

6. 18?

lockedtown

DOES ANYONE LIKE COFFEE?? THIS IS IMPORTANT

Coffee, tea, and water are my beverages of choice!

[Ame]

Please ask Citizen Ame under what authority she has the right to be interrogating Officers of The Law such as myself. However, if she were to come into the station to ask said questions over a steaming hot cup of hot chocolate; I would be happy to oblige.

Sir Officer "Officer" Officer I meant no disrespect, but data I must collect. I'm happy to come by your office, sir Officer "Officer" Officer. I'll even bring a special blend of hot choco, if you'd be so polite as to respond to my inquiries.

[Ame]

fun fact: last couple of times (or was it just once? not sure) i saw someone open with this it was scum who wanted to blend in.
Also do you think that voting for a townie is scum indicative?

I get that a lot! Something about it being LAMIST.

Voting a townie isn't scum indicative. Voting a townie that is playing towny is.

I like your avatar, please answer my questions! This particular set has never failed to identify scum. Once everyone answers, we should have this game solved in no time

[Ame]

I can't! I don't see the problem with working with me one way or the other xD. If they are useless, then no harm no foul.

[Ame]

I like your avatar, please answer my questions!

[Ame]

VOTE: DrDolittle

[Ame]

There's no reason for you not to help me here.

Are you afraid that I'll actually be able to solve the game?

If you care about moving the game forward, then answer my questions and I will reciprocate!

[Ame]

That is neat.

Voting a townie isn't scum indicative. Voting a townie that is playing towny is.

do you consider your vote on DDL an rvs vote or are you serious about it?

Yes

[Ame]

You owe me two more since I answered one of yours prior!

[Ame]

Thinking about it, if you don't answer the questions in one go, their validity is compromised.

[Ame]

Thinking about it, if you don't answer the questions in one go, their validity is compromised.

backtracking because you don't wanna answer me huh?

What do you mean? If you answer them as a group, I'll respond to you. Tit for tat. Every time someone's done this little game of avoiding my questions, they've been scum because they fear that I'll actually be able to distinguish them. There's literally no town motive for avoiding my questions, especially if it will help you sort me. But you're more interested in making a case than actually sorting me.

[Ame]

How is the validity of RQS compromised if not answered all right away Ame?

I rarely do RQS, I find that it adds an unnatural noise to the beginning of the game.

I'll explain in full (and provide an answer key) once they've been answered. Explaining how the validity is compromised compromises the validity.

Indulge me?

[Ame]

All that's left is Clidd and Iconium then!

[Ame]

Iconeum. Iconium would be the name of an element.

[Ame]

VOTE: Clidd

You know what you did

[Ame]

Yes, as soon as I get answers from Clidd and I can knee em :3

[Ame]

Bye.

Answer my questions please!

Also why is Kanna scum indicative?

[Ame]

Deputy Compath, is the exclusion of Ame deliberate from your reads list?

Not reading I see

im feeling generous. gonna hand out a couple of preemptive town reads:
ame compath ico and kanna for now.

please come up and claim your rewards

Spoiler:

[Ame]

Every time someone's done this little game of avoiding my questions, they've been scum

Show me 1 game where you caught someone like this.

I'm serious.

Show it.

1. That would ruin the purpose as it would be providing you the correct way of answering.
2. I don't wish to share.
3. I can't share.

WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS ANSWER ME AND WE CAN MOVE ON

If I use your answers in a manipulative way, you can scumread me for it, if they are NAI, then no harm done. If they are useful, then they are useful. It's illogical not to answer and you're being silly at this point

[Ame]

here you go

Spoiler: gift

This was perfect

[Ame]

@Kanna, how many games have you played as scum?

[Ame]

Thank you <3!

[Ame]

@Kanna, why a strong 7?

[Ame]

@ame do you always open a game with RQS?

Half the time. The more serious questions are usually asked in lylo.

[Ame]

That is neat.

Voting a townie isn't scum indicative. Voting a townie that is playing towny is.

do you consider your vote on DDL an rvs vote or are you serious about it?

Yes

No cheating

Answer the question please (RVS vote or serious?)

Both. I always make an educated vote in RVS based on the available data. However, because the data is so limited, even an educated guess approaches randomness. In this case, I made a guess based on the gut reaction of

two posts

, so while it was "serious," it should hardly be taken seriously. But say like the game had to be decided right there, I would have voted DDL based on the information available.

[Ame]

Things are going to be

hectic

with you around.

VOTE: Hectic

VOTE: compath serious vote

In particular, I read Compath's joke as forced because the hectic pun is obvious and seems like something that has probably been made many times. From this, I thought Compath was either,

A. Awkward scum
B. Someone who has played with hectic and was hinting at who he was

The latter was my interpretation after thinking about it, and if it were the case it was town indicative to me because it would be unnecessarily putting himself out there / providing information to hectic. I scum read DDL for his serious vote because I felt he also picked up on the awkwardness, but instead of thinking it through to the alternative option (B), he stopped at (A), which was scum indicative to me (pushing over sorting).

[Ame]

?

[Ame]

You're way overthinking things or just going for LHF. I begin the game thinking from the start, no matter how little there is to go on. That being said, it's still very much just (virtually random) conjecture at that point. My opinion on both Compath changed within the same page (I didn't like Compath's responses and I liked DDL ignoring us). Compath being solid townie was hyperbole / RVS shenanegans.

[Ame]

Let me rephrase that

You read compath like he's awkward scum
But you somehow go to a hard townread on it

and you then proceed to scumread someone who's scumreading and voting someone YOU read like awkward scum?

Oh I see this actually makes sense. It's not correct though. It's simply the flow of my thought process.

> Initial gut interpretation: awkward scum
> Look at Compaths profile see it's new account
> Think why would scum make such a weird joke
> Think Oh maybe he's trying to signal hectic

DDL voting him seemed like he was going to push LHF. This interpretation was disproven shortly after.

[Ame]

Town reading Compath was serious. The extent of it was an exaggeration.

[Ame]

Reads and stuff later today

@compath from 0 to 10 how upset?

[Ame]

@Kanna, why a strong 7?

[Ame]

Also current reads?

[Ame]

@Luca can you go into your Compath read?

[Ame]

Ok. Also what were you hoping to gain here:

Your turn, Ame.

[Ame]

Uncomfortable at the lack of strawberries gracing this page

Slaxx and Hectic are my picks.

Luca and Compath as backups.

[Ame]

@compath from 0 to 10 how upset?

Upset about what?

if you were lynched. You answered yes, what # would you give it?

Ok. Also what were you hoping to gain here:

Your turn, Ame.

I was curious as to your own answers.

Will you answer the questions?

Sure! Give me just a bit

[Ame]

Ok. Also what were you hoping to gain here:

Your turn, Ame.

I was curious as to your own answers.

Will you answer the questions?

1. What is the origin of your username?

It's a pun on my first name and translation of my last

2. Why is Compath so townie?

He isn't, but it was a good starting point

3. When is the last time you had a strawberry?

At least a year :[ so jealous of Clidd

4. Which of these would you prefer to spend your time doing this weekend (order from most preferred to least):

playing mafia, watching my favorite show, attending a concert = attending a sports game (while playing mafia on my phone)

5. On a scale of 0 to 10, how upset would you be if we lynched you today?

3 currently

6. If Hectic has 5 strawberries and DrDolittle has 2, how many does Luca have?

5

7. Imagine that you are scum this game: would it be true or false that you are scum?

false!

Answer Key: For the most part

what

people answer isn't as important as

how

they answer (or don't answer). The exceptions are questions 5 and 7, which surprisingly do trend differently in the way town and scum address them. Additionally, questions 6 and 7 do have actual correct answers: the answer to question 6 is '5'. The number of strawberries is the number of syllables in the user's name, flipped over (obviously though I don't expect anyone to have actually reasoned that). The answer to question 7 is 'false' if you are town because imagining that you are scum doesn't change your alignment.

Question 5 Trends: Town tend to answer this strongly with either a 0 or a 10. Scum tend to answer toward the center. Neither alignment ever responds with 5 (though I hypothesize this might be an indy approach) and only scum ever answers 4. Since no one answered 4, however, this question can only be used as a suggestion at best because while town and scum tend to answer differently overall, the response of an individual is unpredictable (with the exception of 4 and 5).

Spoiler: Town Distrobution

Spoiler: Scum Distrobution

Question 7 Trends: This one is interesting. It can't be used to identify scum, but it can be used to identify town. With the exception of newbie scum, scum will answer 'true' 100% of the time. 1/10 town members, however, identify the correct logical conclusion and answer 'false.' Even scum that do reason it out still answer 'true' because answering 'false' looks suspicious. I'm actually really confident in this being a town indicator. Clidd is the only one to have answered this correctly.

As for the other questions, they are just fluff. Most of my data comes from live mafia (discord, skype, aim when it was a thing), so my goal with the upper questions is to sort of simulate the same type of mindset someone would be in if they were typing live (hence why it's important to answer them all in one go). As a user responds to the questions, it sort of primes them for the questions that I'm actually interested in below. Additionally, question 4 is something of a personal interest of mine. I've been curious to see how differences in personality influence the way people play the game. I've found this question to be a reliable way to quickly gauge a person's temperament as well as their introversion/extroversion.

Primary Preference:
attending sports game = SJ, Guardian
attending concert = SP, Artisan
watching favorite show = NF, Idealist
playing mafia = NT, Rational

Primary and Secondary Preference:
attending sports game & attending concert = extroversion indicative
playing mafia & watching favorite show = introversion indicative

These aren't exact (for example, Kanna's primary preference is favorite show, but I think she is a classic NT. Also, while introverted preferences are accurate, it's not really possible to distinguish extroversion from simply being SJ/SP based on these questions alone). That being said, they are fairly good indicators. For example, I predicted Luca's exact order based on my previous experience with him. I also predict that if Slaxx were to answer, his primary preference would be attending a concert. @Slaxx, will you verify? Slaxx and Iconium have a similar way of interpreting things. And the way we process information correlates with activity patterns in the brain which also correlate with personality features. Said another way, the way our brain is structured leads to differences in information processing which is ultimately responsible for the expression of our personality. Based on the way Clidd processes information, I also suspect that he and I probably have identical personalities.

Anyway, I'll answer some questions I missed and do reads in the next post.

Uncomfortable at the lack of strawberries gracing this page

Slaxx and Hectic are my picks.

Luca and Compath as backups.

This is based on the answers, or generally?

I want to see your own answers and explanations for how you reached your conclusions.

Generally, though I have been using the questions as a suggestive starting point.

you know who

Deputy Compath, is the exclusion of Ame deliberate from your reads list?

Not reading I see

what did i miss?? can you show me where please? i can't find any mention of why you're excluded

I wasn't excluded. He included me in his list. You also failed to mention a lack of DDL read which was similarly hidden.

Things are going to be

hectic

with you around.

VOTE: Hectic

VOTE: compath serious vote

In particular, I read Compath's joke as forced because the hectic pun is obvious and seems like something that has probably been made many times. From this, I thought Compath was either,

A. Awkward scum
B. Someone who has played with hectic and was hinting at who he was

The latter was my interpretation after thinking about it, and if it were the case it was town indicative to me because it would be unnecessarily putting himself out there / providing information to hectic. I scum read DDL for his serious vote because I felt he also picked up on the awkwardness, but instead of thinking it through to the alternative option (B), he stopped at (A), which was scum indicative to me (pushing over sorting).

had you arrived at this conclusion when you made post 6? is there any particular reason that you wanted to hold onto this read and ignore Icon/Officer "Officer" Officer's questions about it until now?

Hmm. I think this also indicates that you're not paying attention deeply. The answer to your first question is right above the post you quoted. The second question is disingenuous as I wasn't ignoring Icon. I was very much willing to respond if he showed me the same courtesy. This is obvious from our engagement and I'm not sure how you missed it.

[Ame]

Annoyed by my spelling of distribution

[Ame]

Do you mean my read on you and Slaxx? Those are scum reads. My read on you is independent of your answers (which I'll go into), but you definitely did not hit the town side. You avoided giving concrete answers to the questions I was looking for (I did get much enjoy them though!)

Your question was the same as Icon's. Answering you, would have been answering Icon.

[Ame]

very much*

[Ame]

Nvm reading back, you did answer correctly.

[Ame]

Interesting! Since you were in persona mode, I initially read it as side stepping as I was specifically looking for true or false. I'll reconsider.

[Ame]

Thanks @ Clidd!

@hectic I made them myself

[Ame]

it's me!

also, i'll be honest, i was expecting you take a completely different approach with the RQS

i thought you were gonna focus on how willing people were to answer and whether they gave in to answer or remained stubborn when you persisted in making them answer. thought that approach would be kinda civiliany if i was correct about it. never expected you to actually have an answer key

For the record, I was completely aware that you thought this

[Ame]

Ame's wall is v interesting but I have to go so I'll digest it later

p-edit: hi ame

Hi Kanna!

Answer Key: [snip]

thanks very cool. who's scum based on this analysis? why haven't you followed up on this busywork?

I'm working on it. BoP means treating someone as town so long as they are lynching scum, correct?

[Ame]

Detective "Detective" Detective here from Internal Affairs.

Suspect

Citizen Ame has submitted a complaint regarding Ms. Sir Officer's treatment of the upstanding people of Strawberryville as well as her associating with and hiring known criminal "trainee." I would like to assure you that SVPD is looking into these concerns with the utmost scrutiny.

also, answer my questions, Ame! please and thank you

trainee "trainee" trainee stapling some paperwork!

be honest, Ame, are those bar charts legitimate or completely made up? and if they're legitimate, could i have a sample size, as in total entries for the dataset? oh, and why are you providing us with the answer key, do you not want to ever use this again in future mafia games? your secrets are out now!

I made the graphs myself (on MS paint hehe). I might provide data post-game. I only play mafia a few times a year now so I don't really mind. This will actually be my last game for a while. Mafia is time-consuming and it's hard to maintain my other duties when playing. I have no idea how people play 3+ games at a time!

Additionally, things like this can only ever be used once with the same players. I'd have to play with a new set of players for it to be useful again.

5. On a scale of 0 to 10, how upset would you be if we lynched you today?

3 currently

why only a 3? you put playing mafia over all the other activities and seem passionate about it, being lynched wouldn't irk you?

Not at all! And honestly, a 3 is probably overshooting it. I feel more like a 0. I enjoy it, but it's just a game and there's other things I could be doing with my life. The only things that upset me in mafia are when people fail to try and empathize with one another (i.g. shutting down any further considerations once they get in a tunnel mindset), and unfairly being pushed for a slow response rate.

Long ago, when I was really into the game, my answer would have been 10+. And I do feel upset when lynched as mafia since I have more investment in it and it directly affects my team.

i was getting lawbreaker pings from your mega post because it felt very off-meta (i've skimmed your other completed game and it felt less formal/serious) and argumentative in bad ways at times (scum like to appear correct and win arguments even if the argument does not relate to alignment), examples here:

I wasn't excluded. He included me in his list. You also failed to mention a lack of DDL read which was similarly hidden.

Hmm. I think this also indicates that you're not paying attention deeply. The answer to your first question is right above the post you quoted. The second question is disingenuous as I wasn't ignoring Icon. I was very much willing to respond if he showed me the same courtesy. This is obvious from our engagement and I'm not sure how you missed it.

These were by no means for the sake of argument. It was suspicious to me that you "liked" Compath's read list but didn't actually read it. It indicated to me that you weren't really concerned with figuring out his mental state because you didn't fully read the reasoning (in which his reads on me and DDL were hidden). Regarding the second quote, it seemed to me like you were trying to throw shade at me without actually pushing me directly. You could have just said you thought those things were scummy, but instead, you made it look like you were just questioning me. This seemed disingenuine to me because your questions were already answered / or easily deducible. What about my response gave you the clarification you were looking for when all I did was quote the post you said you already read?

Regardless, you are currently trending town for me which I'll get to in my read list. It appears that your harassment of our beloved citizen Ame comes from her seeming to be uncooperative with an early inquiry, as well as an incorrect meta understanding. We will be reviewing our policies to prevent further misunderstandings in the future.

Detective out.

[Ame]

What I saw in your interaction with Ame was a possible approach to a death tunnel, which did not materialize due to external interaction. Evidently, considering that you're scum. In the town!Ico scenario, I believe that post 27 would become an assimilation with an individual experience, which was not well worked out, but provided an initial horizon to develop a premature dialogue between both. I still think about both possibilities, but I'm considering scum!Ico trying to architect something here.

Town!Ico never does that?

Joke by the way, in case it wasn't clear.

wait

wut

huh?

Can you explain this joke to me...

[Ame]

He's contradicting himself as well as shading others. He backs off too easily as well.

When questioned he either dodges the question, or answers the question in a way where it seems like he answers the question but the answer doesn't actually have any real substance.

Plus, his posts have a forced formal tone to them, and they seem hard to read on purpose.

You're reading him off NAI points since this is how he normally plays. Why are you ignoring the meta that's been provided?

I played against scum!Clidd twice and he replaced out both times right at the start

Yikes...

I mean ones he actually played?

No, but the fact he clearly hates playing as scum and the fact his play here resembles his Town game suggests he's more likely Town imo.

oh christ.

I am reading Micro 915 | Brass & Shrapnel and Clidd is actually that fucking cocky about his reads as town. And hilariously wrong that game. Okay, Luca, do you have any knowledge of games where he is scum?

UNVOTE:

[Ame]

Do you have your responses all written out beforehand and then post them separately?

[Ame]

I like and agree with it. You've used your reasoning for townLuca outside this game so it can no longer be applied since Luca would adjust his play accordingly.

[Ame]

Especially since me and Hectic are in the game and aware that town Luca should read you as town here. If he were to do otherwise it would look really bad

[Ame]

What about my response gave you the clarification you were looking for when all I did was quote the post you said you already read?

Hectic can you answer this? Relevant post.

[Ame]

Inspector "Inspector" Inspector responding to an inquiry.

What about my response gave you the clarification you were looking for when all I did was quote the post you said you already read?

Hectic can you answer this? Relevant post.

Which member of The Force are you asking for? Yes, The Force is sometimes nicknamed "Hectic", but we find this rude and disingenuous. We're trying our best here goddammit!

Er..um either Officer Officer or trainee trainee since they both responded to me before

[Ame]

Officer "Officer" Officer twiddling her thumbs.

Inspector "Inspector" Inspector responding to an inquiry.

What about my response gave you the clarification you were looking for when all I did was quote the post you said you already read?

Hectic can you answer this? Relevant post.

Which member of The Force are you asking for? Yes, The Force is sometimes nicknamed "Hectic", but we find this rude and disingenuous. We're trying our best here goddammit!

Er..um either Officer Officer or trainee trainee since they both responded to me before

The Complaints Investigations Bureau wanted a more in-depth explanation for everything surrounding your RQS - reasons for asking it, and information gained. The post you linked back to was not helpful, but you provided what we required in the same post that you replied to us, hence satisfying our request.

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I'd also like to excuse Inspector "Inspector" Inspector for his earlier outburst. We are officers/inspectors/trainees of The Law, and should remain calm and composed at all times. Forgive him.

You asked me if I had my read by post 6
I linked to the post that had already answered that
You stated that you read post 6 but wanted more details

I didn't provide any more details

[Ame]

trainee "trainee" trainee stepping in

You asked me if I had my read by post 6
I linked to the post that had already answered that
You stated that you read post 6 but wanted more details

I didn't provide any more details

uhh, we thought you were reffering to something else. we actually completely forgot that we asked that question (don't look into it too much please, The Force is in 10 games), do you mind answering it now actually?

thanks!

grumbl grumbl

[Ame]

I've been too busy to make a read list, so I just ran the RQS answers and some posts I thought were interesting through my AME-MIAMI (Automated Mafia Evaluating Meticulously Investigative Artificial Machine of Intelligence) program. It's designed to simulate my thought processes pretty well so I hope it will suffice.

./ame-miami.run

Compath

Spoiler: Processing...

1. I couldn't think of any names for this so I just used a random name generator.
2. Yes.
3. Yesterday.
4. Watching a new episode of my favorite show, playing mafia, attending a sports game, attending a concert.
Attending the concert largely depends on what kind of concert though.
5. Yes.

error: sidestep

6. Zero because I stole all of his.
7. Yes.

Answered the fluff, but avoided concrete responses on the two indicator questions.

Scum percentage:

57

Inconclusive, further data required...

Spoiler: Processing...

Thinking about it, if you don't answer the questions in one go, their validity is compromised.

backtracking because you don't wanna answer me huh?

What do you mean? If you answer them as a group, I'll respond to you. Tit for tat. Every time someone's done this little game of avoiding my questions, they've been scum because they fear that I'll actually be able to distinguish them. There's literally no town motive for avoiding my questions, especially if it will help you sort me. But you're more interested in making a case than actually sorting me.

Some people just dislike RQS. It's mostly just a preference thing. I've comfortably participated in RQS before as scum.

It's not really difficult to answer most RQS questions. I don't believe they're particularly AI either.

Abnormal interjection. Missed the point of our interaction.

Scum equity increased.

(hey Clidd do you mind if I steal your style for a bit?)

VOTE: slaxxx
feelin decent about compath rn actually

What changed in between your "serious" vote and here? I don't think I posted any real content in between your "serious" vote and your change of mind.

I don't believe DDL responded to this. Yet Compath put DDL as town for being relaxed, natural soon after. This reads as town to me. Scum are more rigid in what they express as an attempt to maintain consistency. This indicates to me that Compath likey really just had a town read on DDL but asked him this question for the sake of clearing up a discrepancy.

Scum equity significantly decreased.

Clidd feels like he's trying too hard to be honest.

@Clidd - How is your Iconeum read different from the null reads you have on Luca and DDL?

Why did you basically completely ignore slaxx?

Why do you need something to "radically" change your opinion in order to not scumread Ame, despite stating that you only find them to be slightly suspicious?

Why is playing a character town-indicative for Hectic? In my opinion, it'd be scum-indicative because he gets to hide behind the character that he's playing.

What specifically did you find scummy in Kanna/my RQS answers? Did you find the fact that we quickly complied with RQS to be scummy, or something else?

These questions are good, but Clidd is also someone that would be easy to question as scum.

Irrelevant.

Town the worst - My favorite duckling. Quack!
Kanna - Questioning others and actively generating content. They're participating in interactions that they don't really need to.
Hectic - Still a quality memer, like usual. Despite putting up an act as this Officer "Officer" Officer guy, he feels surprisingly natural.
Iconeum - Gut, and also sort of meta read. Asking questions and actively pressuring Ame. Ame - Doubles down on the "Answer my RQS" thing, and draws unnecessary attention to themselves. DDL - Feels very relaxed and natural, saying things as they come to his mind.
Null Luca Blight - He just hasn't done much yet.
Slaxx - Gut, and I also dislike post 66.
Clidd - He simply feels like he's trying too hard. He calls Ico's interactions with Ame "well-intentioned". Despite this, he still puts Ico as a nullish read. Some of his reads simply don't make much sense. He townreads Hectic for playing a character, and scumreads Kanna and I for something related to Ame's RQS, and doesn't elaborate on it at all. His post 88 also feels like he made it hard to read on purpose.
Scum Datisi - Gets too many pagetops. Leave some for the rest of us!

I like these a lot. My only concern is the Kanna read. Interacting with others is NAI because that's kind of what scum needs to do to blend in. I also thought it was strange that Kanna asked me about my RQS when it was already being addressed by others. I'm not sure this read is warranted, but the list is good overall.

Equity decreased.

I played against scum!Clidd twice and he replaced out both times right at the start

Yikes...

This pings me, but I'm not certain why just yet.

Further observation required...

-Update- Compath has since posted since I began this and I now know what pings me:

He's contradicting himself as well as shading others. He backs off too easily as well.

When questioned he either dodges the question, or answers the question in a way where it seems like he answers the question but the answer doesn't actually have any real substance.

Plus, his posts have a forced formal tone to them, and they seem hard to read on purpose.

As opposed to Slaxx who took the meta into consideration and changed his mind, Compath simply reacted to it with no reevaluation. He's continuing to push Clidd on points that are NAI.

Scum equity significantly increased.

What I saw in your interaction with Ame was a possible approach to a death tunnel, which did not materialize due to external interaction. Evidently, considering that you're scum. In the town!Ico scenario, I believe that post 27 would become an assimilation with an individual experience, which was not well worked out, but provided an initial horizon to develop a premature dialogue between both. I still think about both possibilities, but I'm considering scum!Ico trying to architect something here.

Town!Ico never does that?

Joke by the way, in case it wasn't clear.

This is setting off alarm bells like crazy. At first I took his question at face value, having Clidd consider the town!Ico perspective. But it being sarcasm implies that he thinks Ico's push really only does come from scum!Ico. This is just strange and unnatural thought. And it's even more out of place considering Ico is his third-highest town read:

Probably look something like

{the

worst

best}
{Ame, Luca}
{Ico, Kanna}
{Hectic, DDL}
Null
{Slaxx}
{Clidd}

Scum equity significantly increased.

Summary: the transition from the question in 102 to the read list in 104 read very towny. However, there's something off-key about Compath's posts, which I initially took as him trying to maintain his alt status, but his "town!Ico never does that?" joke and failing to reevaluate Clidd in light of the meta provided is scummy.

Scum percentage:

77

This score is unsatisfactory: threat identified

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Iconeum

(I looked this up and it actually

is

spelled Iconium?)

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1. Rome: Total War, city in what is now known as Turkey
2. He's not
3. Last week. Multiple, actually.
4. concert, fav show, sports game, playing mafia

non-game-related anomaly detected

5. 10+

ideal

6. I don't know but I want all of them
7. yes

Scum percentage:

15

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Just skimmed through, this is how I roughly feel about everyone right now:

Hectic - SL
DrDolittle - TL
Compath - TL
Kanna - SL
Ame - TL
Slaxx - SL
clidd - TL
Iconeum - SL

I'll go into more detail shortly.

are we really going down this road again?

i'm here if you wanna engage about anything luca

The bolded is town indicative FUD.

Consistent.

I thought post 8 was all right, and can justify the stupid pun entrance

why does a pun entrance *have* to be justified?

VOTE: luca blight
this is the way to go

why

VOTE: slaxxx
feelin decent about compath rn actually

why

VOTE: slaxx

why

Feels like a natural call out. Not overdoing it but trying to get DDL to provide concrete reasoning.

Consistent.

Summary: Not knowing of my previous play and my jovial nature, I think it's reasonable for Icon to have interpreted my statements about Compath as suspicious. I can't say I'm fan of how long he pushed it. It seemed obvious from our dialogue that I wasn't actually newbscum spewing TMI, but I'm biased. Overall his tone is towny and natural-seeming. (Note: this analysis is intentionally short in comparison to the others)

Verified.

This score is satisfactory: happy scumhunting

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Clidd

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1. It's a nickname I saw on the internet and decided to copy it.

2. You are probably judging post 4 as a comic relief, something more commonly associated with people comfortable with their current situation, which, in this case, would indicate a connection to the

green alignment

. This is a very subjective and variable aspect from player to player, so I would say it is

wrong

, but could be

correct

if you link to past games with similar behavioral pattern.

ideal

3. I consumed one yesterday, extremely tasty. I don't know if anything changes in terms of taste, if we compare the geographical distance (Im from Spain), but it is quite common to have fairs here filled with them every day.

4. I would prefer, first, to play mafia, considering that it is an activity that I can perform sitting down, without physical effort. Secondly, it would be watching a new episode of my favorite show, thirdly attending a concert (I would prefer to avoid it), and lastly attending a sports game (which I would also like to avoid).

5. It would depend on whether I'm close to solving the game or not. Now, for example, I would classify it as 0, because the approach that I decided to adopt in this match, specifically, did not include reactions to votes on day 1. But, if I felt that there is a greater interest, as well as a significant contribution, that margin would increase to 10, proceeding exponentially.

ideal

6. Since Hectic is, at least as far as I speculate, a good person(town), he would donate 2 strawberries to Luca, so that he would match DrDolittle. In the final count it would be: Hectic (3) | DrDolittle (2) | Luca (2)

7. Imagining something that didn't happen is a serious retroactive reasoning. But, to complete the last question:

false

.

ideal

Waiting the result.

Scum percentage:

0

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...

All of the reasoning here has a consistent flow and makes sense to me. I also had the same thought regarding the way Compath answered my questions.

Consistent.

Ok wait, I just noticed something about clidd's wall. Why wasn't slaxx included?

I forgot about him, did the post quickly.

This response feels so genuine and guiltess.

Consistent.

I think he's town actually. And I think Clidd is scum. I know your meta defence of him, but the dude is literally not providing any reads unless I missed them. He's spewing large posts that actually have little to no content in them, and they sure don't make a point.

Literally trying to look active without having to commit to anything.

Parable of the ''safe'' lynch,

scum detected

.

explain?

There was no interest on your part in the case, and apathy about the possibility of me being a town. Unconsciously, you are willing to find a target to lynch without arousing suspicion.

Did you see me go after ame? Trying to target a lynch without arousing suspicion is hardly what I would call myself this game. But if you wanna cherrypick certain stuff, sure.

What I saw in your interaction with Ame was a possible approach to a

death tunnel

, which did not materialize due to external interaction. Evidently, considering that you're

scum

. In the

town!Ico

scenario, I believe that post 27 would become an assimilation with an individual experience, which was not well worked out, but provided an initial horizon to develop a premature dialogue between both. I still think about both possibilities, but I'm considering

scum!Ico

trying to architect something here.

I had these same thoughts early on. When Ico was questioning me, I felt he would scumread me no matter what answer I gave.

Consistent.

Summary: Clidd's play is consistent with his town play. His reasoning I follow and honestly he's just obvtown to me.

Verified.

This score is satisfactory: happy scumhunting

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Kanna

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1. It's a character from a video game I like!
2. ?
3. Last week
4. Watching a new episode of your favorite show, playing mafia, attending a concert, attending a sports game
5. a strong 7

sufficient

(

7 problematic

,

language sufficient

)
6. 18?

ideal

7. yes

Scum percentage:

20

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How is the validity of RQS compromised if not answered all right away Ame?

I rarely do RQS, I find that it adds an unnatural noise to the beginning of the game.

I'll explain in full (and provide an answer key) once they've been answered. Explaining how the validity is compromised compromises the validity.

Indulge me?

I kinda agree with Ico's (can I call you Ico?) points in #54 but I really liked this post

Thinking about it, if you don't answer the questions in one go, their validity is compromised.

backtracking because you don't wanna answer me huh?

What do you mean? If you answer them as a group, I'll respond to you. Tit for tat. Every time someone's done this little game of avoiding my questions, they've been scum because they fear that I'll actually be able to distinguish them. There's literally no town motive for avoiding my questions, especially if it will help you sort me. But you're more interested in making a case than actually sorting me.

@Ame, what inspired your RQS?

@Ame; will you explain your rqs ~eventually~?

Given my post 71, it was strange that Kanna asked me if I would explain my RQS since I had already stated that I would.

Equity increased.

@Kanna could you address this?

Luca's latest takes were pretty interesting because they seem to be the opposite of most reads I've seen. I just want to say I wouldn't look into the coffee thing or the wow thing because ~reasons~. From my POV, it looks a bit opportunistic to push me on those things but I could be biased.

Did agree with this though.

Slaxx

Posts 59 - 61 all seem like reads for the sake of reads. I don't relate to any of them at all and it seems contrived.

78 is a bit weird - I thought Ame was joking about the answer key? Although I can't tell if Slaxx is being serious here himself, but he certainly seems to be taking what Ame said at face value.

Actually nevermind, my vote stays cause I don't think you pushing me for not following up on my coffee question is in good faith.

Actually VOTE: Luca Blight I had a look at that game you linked and you were reallllyyy against RQS there, why were you accepting of Ame in this game?

Also you said this but this is *after* you already trusted them (if that makes sense)

The difference though is that in that newbie game the player (Spangled) didn't hold onto the RQS, whereas Ame is.

What is the scum motivation behind insisting everyone answers the questions?

My initial read of this reaction was SvS, but after review, Kanna's progression seems well thought out. It really comes off to me that she is thinking through things as she goes along. It would be next-level if this was faked.

Equity significantly decreased.

@Kanna, why a strong 7?

was just feeling a ~7

Also current reads?

Right now it's

<Compath, Ame, Ico>

<Hectic, DDL, Clidd> ---null
<Slaxx>
<Luca>

Slaxx was scummy before Luca's push, but the reasoning for Luca's push felt weird to me. If it's TvS, scum is Luca imo

I really like this. I had the same thoughts regarding Slaxx v Luca. I'm sold that scumLuca = townKanna.

Equity significantly decreased.

i'm not sure about hectic and it's roleplay

i've literally never seen hectic do that so i don't know what it means

it's funny and great, but i can't really read him based off of that

From my experience, Hectic joking around is his town meta + if he is town, he can still towntell over it. I'm not sure I've seen that in this game though

@Officer Hectic; what are your thoughts rn?

This line just seems really towny. I'm having a hard time articulating why, but I like it.

Equity significantly decreased.

Luca's latest takes were pretty interesting because they seem to be the opposite of most reads I've seen. I just want to say I wouldn't look into the coffee thing or the wow thing because ~reasons~. From my POV, it looks a bit opportunistic to push me on those things but I could be biased.

what do you mean by 'interesting'? what do you make of it?

It's interesting because he's going against the current. E.g he put clidd who was p scumread earlier as a TR while you/hectic/me as an SR. He hasn't put out all the reasoning yet, so I'm not sure.

@luca; would be interested in the rest of the reasoning btw

What’s your read on Clidd, Kanna?

Do you think going against the current is more Town or scum indicative?

I’ll get to the other reasoning soon, although the Hectic SL was based on the ‘officer’ gimmick which is making him hard to read. Based on content he’s entirely null.

As for clidd, not sure. I know he does do walls as town but idk if he's incapable of doing them as scum

@clidd, do you have any other scumgames I can look at? That one you linked was v short

(cont) It's hard to explain but some of his reasoning really ~pulls me in~ and from past experience, I think it means someone is town. Maybe I should rethink Ico

nevermind I found it: it's here if anyone wants to see

Clidd *can* do wallpost analysis posts as scum

Huh ok, actually I have to think about clidd again.

@Luca, what makes you so sure clidd is town if you've seen him do posts like this as scum?

Her progression on Clidd here also looks like genuine sorting.

Equity decreased.

Summary: The progression of Kanna's reads seem genuine. Her process is easy to follow and I really like how thoroughly she is considering each slot.

Scum percentage:

10

This score is satisfactory: happy scumhunting

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DrDolittle

No RQS data available...seeking alternative measures...

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Why is no one questioning my commitment to voting compath

Hey Ddl.

Slight town points for what seems like genuine frustration people aren’t engaging with him.

im not frustrated tho

Denies reason to be town read instead of just going with it.

Low equity.

i dont have any questions for you ame.
sitting here twiddling my thumbs until everyone checks in

Observing rather than forcing content/reads/pushes.

Low equity.

slaxx i think your entrance is scummy

I shared the same thought.

Lower equity.

tbh i don't really like rqs either because it gives scum an easy way to get into the game where it's supposed to be hard apriori

ideal

VOTE: slaxxx
feelin decent about compath rn actually

Consistent thought process, guiltless switch (doesn't care about justifying his Compath read).

Low equity.

im feeling generous. gonna hand out a couple of preemptive town reads:
ame compath ico and kanna for now.

please come up and claim your rewards

Consistent with my reads at the time. Also just seems natural and unecessary to share if scum.

Low equity.

VOTE: luca blight
this is the way to go

Consistent with my thoughts at the time.

Low equity.

VOTE: slaxx

I’ll die on this hill

rip

Consistent with my thoughts at the time.

Low equity.

VOTE: luca blight
this is the way to go

please share with the class, Doctor! what did you see?

(1) PS hectic I do find you over the top this game even for hectic standards.

I don't know if scum-DDl pushes on me out of the gate though. The most memorable game I had with him was on my lolwagons alt where I stomped scum out early, and I know was scum I wouldn't immediately push on someone the way he did. Not saying he wouldn't push on me at all, just not for sure he goes this ham with it out the gate as scum. So I think I feel alright about DDL now as well.

I didn't know you were lolwagons. Lolwagons was excellent,

(2) but I'm not going ham at all and just tossing my votes around? I think you've put weird justifications on my vote twice

(once being i was angry or was that soemone else)

(Ame, Compath, DDL, Icon)-Slight Town
(Luca, Kanna)-Null
(Hectic)- Slight Scum
(Clidd)- Scum

(3) This list seems "too listy" to be a list?

(1) Similar to the Hectic line I quoted in Kanna's iso. Again, it's difficult to articulate but just reads townie.
(2) Again denying reason to be townread instead of just going with it. Also consistent with my thoughts.
(3) This isn't the type of reasoning I think scum would readily come up with.

Very low equity.

You’re gonna have to elaborate on too listy to be a list.

like, you know when you ask people to give a random string of numbers, it turns out to have a lot of patterns than hit actually is suppose to? this list is very clean, with the 4 town, 2 null, 2 scum "read", and it looks fake? I could just be wrong though

Oh yea, this is nice.

Summary: DDL's reads and thought process has been consistent with mine throughout the game. Obvtown.

Scum percentage:

0

This score is satisfactory: happy scumhunting

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Slaxx

No RQS data available...seeking alternative measures...

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Why is no one questioning my commitment to voting compath

Hey Ddl.

Slight town points for what seems like genuine frustration people aren’t engaging with him.

Unwarranted.

Medium equity.

Don’t like #8 and #9 from compath, looks like someone who is trying to look like they want to generate content without actually putting forth effort to generate any.

Unwarranted.

High equity.

Thinking about it, if you don't answer the questions in one go, their validity is compromised.

How so?

How is the validity of RQS compromised if not answered all right away Ame?

I rarely do RQS, I find that it adds an unnatural noise to the beginning of the game.

Given what I now know of Slaxx, these questions seem genuine. Although I suppose he would be interested regardless of alignment.

Irrelevant.

How is the validity of RQS compromised if not answered all right away Ame?

I rarely do RQS, I find that it adds an unnatural noise to the beginning of the game.

I'll explain in full (and provide an answer key) once they've been answered. Explaining how the validity is compromised compromises the validity.

Indulge me?

No

The fact you have an answer key to open-ended questions is lol

I’m not humoring you on this

I’ll die on this hill

ideal

Things are going to be

hectic

with you around.

VOTE: Hectic

VOTE: compath serious vote

In particular, I read Compath's joke as forced because the hectic pun is obvious and seems like something that has probably been made many times. From this, I thought Compath was either,

A. Awkward scum
B. Someone who has played with hectic and was hinting at who he was

The latter was my interpretation after thinking about it, and if it were the case it was town indicative to me because it would be unnecessarily putting himself out there / providing information to hectic. I scum read DDL for his serious vote because I felt he also picked up on the awkwardness, but instead of thinking it through to the alternative option (B), he stopped at (A), which was scum indicative to me (pushing over sorting).

This reads as town to me. I was considering voting Ame because of the focus on RQS combined with only a spattering of discussion driving this particular game forward. I generally find people will happily engage in theory and generalization until they can park their vote somewhere, and it is usually a fairly good tell on Day 1. I feel good about Ame.

Given that Iconeum was currently in the process of pushing this, this looks good.

Low equity.

To specify a bit, the logic doesn't feel revisionist.

I'm not for sure if I agree with it, but I believe they believe it.

I don't know if scum-DDl pushes on me out of the gate though. The most memorable game I had with him was on my lolwagons alt where I stomped scum out early, and I know was scum I wouldn't immediately push on someone the way he did. Not saying he wouldn't push on me at all, just not for sure he goes this ham with it out the gate as scum. So I think I feel alright about DDL now as well.

This reasoning seems forced...

High equity.

@Slaxx

What is your actual read about me, considering that I didn't put you on my list ?

VOTE: Clidd

For one, whoever said that his reads post felt wordy to obfuscate motivations, I agree.

I also don't like holding off on a read of me until I give my read on him. I feel like town would just give the read here, because I obviously had enough content to make a read on (I think literally every on of yall scum read me by this post), or at least list as null. To me this is scum waiting for my read on them to determine how they play their next move. I'm also not for sure why my read is contingent upon him excluding me from the list, unless I cam connecting two things that aren't connected.

But what I don't like most about the ISO is 3 scum reads this early, with another person "going either way" (isnt that just null?) this along with holding off a read on me seems like someone who is really playing to keep their options open and not sort.

This read is superficial to me. The way Clidd plays is obviously unique from the get go, it doesn't mean he's scum.

High equity.

ALSO ALSO, three-four scum reads and no vote is like...the hell

Shouldn't you be pressuring one of these people?

High equity.

im feeling generous. gonna hand out a couple of preemptive town reads:
ame compath ico and kanna for now.

please come up and claim your rewards

I would praise the inaccuracy in your reads, but I believe you will probably find out eventually.

I really really don't like this post either, while I am on this train. I can't articulate it like the other posts, but it feels like something that really does not come from town, especially in the first 5-9 pages. Like who is this confident of their reads they are willing to mock other players this early?

Again it's strange to me that he's going after something so superficial. Like why would scumClidd play so obviously non-town like.

High equity.

Not a huge fan of Hectic either actually, the u-turn from "slaxx has good takes" to "wait maybe not" is abrupt and possibly opportunistic. I get a vibe from the posts overall that they seem to be letting others push people more than pushing people themselves. Lots of commentary on everyone else's opinion without equally enthusiastic opinions or pushes of their own.

Ok I think I figured out what I couldn't articulate before about why DDL and Kanna's posts towny. I think I just like when people call Hectic scum.

Low equity.

Slaxx

Posts 59 - 61 all seem like reads for the sake of reads. I don't relate to any of them at all and it seems contrived.

78 is a bit weird - I thought Ame was joking about the answer key? Although I can't tell if Slaxx is being serious here himself, but he certainly seems to be taking what Ame said at face value.

Also, how exactly do I respond to this any way? It seems a lot of people are scumreading me because I took Ame seriously when he was joking and misread DDL's tone in his post. I think the only other thing that has come up is my 66, which I have assumed people think is me trying to look town,

which is a little insulting (I can do better as scum)

, but once again, not much to refute. Not a lot of people have tried to ask me questions or engage me, it has all been peppered in to longer posts.

This is around the point where I felt Slaxx's tone completely changed. The latter Slaxx almost feels like a different person. The bold is town indicative to me. I've often felt this same way.

Low equity.

Dude, I was looking for a single game to falsify my read on you and I got lucky and found it right away. Take the out.

Like this response is so townie...

Low equity.

I'm not going to manufacture a damn read on you. If it's that scum-indicative, shouldn't you be voting me?

I am voting you?

Do you still have no read on me?

I have a read on you that's contingent upon something, but I'm waiting on a specific person to post before I do, because I want their reaction to this first.

@Slaxx are you ready to reveal this yet?

Low equity.

Kanna the issue I have with Luca-scum is at the time, Clidd and I were both fairly vulnerable in our positions. He seemed to arbitrate and intervene early into our 1v1 spat. If we are both town, and Luca is scum, what motivation does he have to do that?

Low equity.

I still get the vibe Ame believes what she’s saying. Now, what’s up for debate is how much they are applying it to move the game forward. Obviously it’s easy to tell the truth as mafia if you talk about non-game related things.

I think, though, that there is enough “this-game” content wrapped up in that analysis to not give me much pause on sustaining a town read.

I really like the bolded.

Low equity.

I’d like to see more from DDL. My town pool is too big at this point.

I still am really not a fan of Hectic’s posting. When you distill it, there isn’t a lot of original content. Very safe posting / posturing.

mmmm gotta love that Hectic shade :3

Low equity

.

Summary: This read is up in the air. Early Slaxx and Later Slaxx seem like two completely different players. I think I'm currently Ok with keeping him around and lynching elsewhere today.

Scum percentage:

50

Inconclusive, further data required...

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Hectic

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1. My first name is

Officer

. I received the title of

Officer

when I first joined The Force. However, "Officer Officer" can be a confusing name, therefore I normally just go by as "

"Officer"

". Unfortunately, The Force requires you state your full name including your preffered unofficial name when talking to citizens. Hence, why I announce myself as Officer "Officer" Officer.
2. Punmaker Compath is a citizen of this town, but has yet to prove himself as an upstanding one.
3. Weeks ago. This saddens me.
4. I have no time for any of these activities. Enforcing The Law is the only thing I have interest in.
5. 10. Lynching is an extremely barbaric, savage tradition which has no place in our peaceful town of Strawberryville.

ideal

6. We are not aware of how many strawberries Luca owns. However, you could place a General Inquiry if you'd like The Force to give Luca a Routinely Checkup.
7. If you are referring to lawbreakers; then no. Such a thing is outrageous.

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Scum percentage:

15

Spoiler: Verifying...

trainee "trainee" trainee again!

Knight Luca's suspicious on Conniver Kanna actually have good grounds with what he can see, and is a good look for him! but Luca, the coffee questions and "Wow" are almost definitely NAI in this context

Wyvern Icon! what do you think of Demon Slayer Ame's 196? i'm surprised you had nothing to say it about it considering your earlier push and suspicion on Ame regarding her Compath read (◕ﬦ ◕✿)

Did you somehow miss our entire interaction? This is very strange. Icon gave a clear opinion on what he thought here.

Scum equity significantly increased.

you know who

Deputy Compath, is the exclusion of Ame deliberate from your reads list?

Not reading I see

what did i miss?? can you show me where please? i can't find any mention of why you're excluded

Failure to read Compath's read list indicates that he is not actually sorting Compath.

Equity increased.

trainee "trainee" trainee stapling some paperwork!

be honest, Ame, are those bar charts legitimate or completely made up? and if they're legitimate, could i have a sample size, as in total entries for the dataset? oh, and why are you providing us with the answer key, do you not want to ever use this again in future mafia games? your secrets are out now!

5. On a scale of 0 to 10, how upset would you be if we lynched you today?

3 currently

why only a 3? you put playing mafia over all the other activities and seem passionate about it, being lynched wouldn't irk you?

i was getting lawbreaker pings from your mega post because it felt very off-meta (i've skimmed your other completed game and it felt less formal/serious) and argumentative in bad ways at times (scum like to appear correct and win arguments even if the argument does not relate to alignment), examples here:

I wasn't excluded. He included me in his list. You also failed to mention a lack of DDL read which was similarly hidden.

Hmm. I think this also indicates that you're not paying attention deeply. The answer to your first question is right above the post you quoted. The second question is disingenuous as I wasn't ignoring Icon. I was very much willing to respond if he showed me the same courtesy. This is obvious from our engagement and I'm not sure how you missed it.

but i took a look again at your other completed game and realised that you're not off-meta at all, especially having seen post 648

not as confident on you now. still yet to read Luca/Slaxx engagement properly, hopefully that yields results!

trainee "trainee" trainee signing out!

This post felt like he was genuinely suspicious of me.

Equity decreased.

trainee "trainee" trainee here being addicted to mafia

actually VOTE: Knight Luca

i think I have a lawbreaker-tell on Knight Luca, i'm almost a little reluctant to out it if it's correct but i will expand on it later

also, answer my questions, Ame! please and thank you

This also seems genuine.

Equity decreased.

-Luca Case-

This is a well formed case and I find it convincing.

Equity decreased.

Officer "Officer" Officer cruising through a motorway.

I get the feeling in general that's she's just blending in, asking easy questions and not trying to create waves. I don't feel her questions, particularly the ones to Ame regarding the RQS, have any sorting potential to them.

Ask Knight Luca why he decided to answer Ame's RQS this game. Additionally, why he actually used them to develop a scumread on someone; given we had established he is a not a fan of RQS and in its solving potential.

It also seems that my toneread has fallen on deaf ears; but I have an odd belief about this. There's small discrepancies which I may try and pinpoint more of later.

I've read slaxx' interactions this game and his stance on clidd's overconfidence and cliddiness felt very real until he switched on his stance once reading the Brass and Shrapnel Game.

Kanna has played like she always does; inquisitive and generally open about thoughts. The Traffic Commision Board doesn't sense any differences.

Detective Ame had a reasonable explanation and thought process behind everything we inquired into.

Clidd's effort this game is a major civilian-indicator. This is an above average amount of investment even for civilian-clidd, but I will be rereading his content later.

Others need some rereading.

.
.
.

Officer out.

Hectic's Slaxx read has been off all game. He's read him the opposite of me at every step.

1 His initial read of Slaxx's opening observations (he like them, they came off as forced to me)
2 His read of Slaxx's "die on this hill post" (he found this scummy, it seemed townie to me)
3 His view of Slaxx's Clidd read (he liked it, I found it superficial)
4 His view of Slaxx retracting his read (he disliked it, I found it townie)

Something is off here.

Additionally, it really seemed like Hectic felt like he caught scum when he was pushing me earlier and I don't feel like my response warranted a complete reversal and pocket? Especially considering I didn't even answer all the questions he was looking for.

Scum equity increased.

Summary: Hectic's Slaxx read is very strange and it feels like he's putting on more of a show than actually attempting to read people. His question toward Ico was particularly suspicious. However, I don't think he's scum with Luca,

which is currently the top direction I am looking in today.

Scum percentage:

55

Inconclusive, further data required...

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Luca

Spoiler: Processing...

1. It's a funny story, actually. In the process of joining this site I typed 'Luca Blight' into the username box, and the rest is history.
2. I'm wondering the same thing?
3. Just before new year.

nice memory

4. Attending a sports game, attending a concert, playing Mafia, watching a new episode of my favourite show,
5. 8

problematic

6. I'd rather keep this secret, given there are strawberry thieves among us.
7. True.

Your turn, Ame.

significant

@Luca, now that you have my answers, why is it that you wanted my response? Your redirecting to me here makes me feel like you felt there was actually something to get out of the questions/my response. Or maybe I'm misreading the tone and it's not actually antagonistic?

Scum percentage:

60

Spoiler: Verifying...

Kanna

I liked Clidd's point about her 19. Also, she demands an answer regarding the coffee, but never follows up on any of the answers given, which makes it seem purely for show - maybe for the purpose of showing that she's in a relaxed state of mind.

82, 83, 84 - hopping along with what others have said, which feels like staying in her comfort zone.

I get the feeling in general that's she's just blending in, asking easy questions and not trying to create waves. I don't feel her questions, particularly the ones to Ame regarding the RQS, have any sorting potential to them.

VOTE: Kanna

I'm not feeling the joking for show thing at all. But I agree with the part about asking about my RQS questions.

Irrelevant.

Slaxx

Posts 59 - 61 all seem like reads for the sake of reads. I don't relate to any of them at all and it seems contrived.

78 is a bit weird - I thought Ame was joking about the answer key? Although I can't tell if Slaxx is being serious here himself, but he certainly seems to be taking what Ame said at face value.

Agree.

Equity decreased.

I agree that at this point it makes sense just to answer the questions and see what Ame has to say about it.

Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.

Irrelevant.

I could easily see that joke coming from either alignment.

mmmmmmmmmm

irrelevant

Clidd hates playing as scum - I played against scum!Clidd twice and he replaced out both times right at the start. This game resembles his Town meta. I can find examples later if need be, but I'm pretty confident he's Town.

Looking over this again, I agree with Clidd that the way Luca is expressing his read seems non-manipulative.

Equity decreased.

Dude, I just posted examples, I seriously don't know what more you want.

I also posted example: the only people who SR you at the time of your readslist was myself, Kanna and DDL. The latter you sorted as town before he SR you, the first two you just planted as null and ignored.

This is the post I'm most scum reading Luca for. Slaxx posted clear examples that Compath and Hectic were also SRing him before his read list, but Luca is ignoring it. From what I've seen of Luca, if someone has clearly proven something incorrect, I feel like he would adjust his view accordingly.

Equity increased.

Did agree with this though.

Slaxx

Posts 59 - 61 all seem like reads for the sake of reads. I don't relate to any of them at all and it seems contrived.

78 is a bit weird - I thought Ame was joking about the answer key? Although I can't tell if Slaxx is being serious here himself, but he certainly seems to be taking what Ame said at face value.

And the reason I included Kanna is because she agreed with my reasoning here.

I can see Compath had you just below the null line, but I got more of an impression of a SR from Kanna than either Hectic/Compath.

Regardless, my main beef is with your null read on me, given I was the only one who specified reasoning against you. I would have expected some curiosity or acknowledgement on your part as Town. If I was truly null to you, I'd have expected you to ISO me, or engage with me as a matter of priority.

That being said, his explanation here is actually fine. It's weird to me that he's not retracting given that Slaxx proved him incorrect, but I do follow that his read is mainly based on Slaxx ignoring him in particular.

Equity decreased.

Summary: I had a much stronger read on Luca before going through his ISO. Some of the things I was scumreading him for may just be misunderstandings. I'll have to read through Hectic's case more thoroughly. In the meant time, I think I'm actually feeling Compath as the play.

Scum percentage:

55

Inconclusive, further data required...


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DDL [

LT

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Clidd [

LT

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Kanna [

T

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Ico [

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Slaxx [

SL

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Luca [

SL

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Hectic [

SL

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Compath [

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<Suspended>

Hmm so after running everything through the program, it looks like I'm still in a pool of Compath, Hectic, Luca, and Slaxx. I don't want to lynch Slaxx today. And I don't think I want to lynch Luca either depending on his answer to some things. I need to look at Hectic's meta case more thoroughly though, so this may be subject to change. Currently, however, Compath followed by Hectic are the scummiest slots to me.

Vote: Compath

[Ame]

for example, the Ico thing! You make your 196 which is your explanation for your Compath read which Ico has wanted for while. Ico comes on later to post 202 but makes no mention/comment of your Compath read, which is what surprises me and that I enquire into. what engagement are you talking about that I missed? Your previous engagements are irrelevant to what i was after

They did respond to it though:

Spoiler:

Things are going to be

hectic

with you around.

VOTE: Hectic

VOTE: compath serious vote

In particular, I read Compath's joke as forced because the hectic pun is obvious and seems like something that has probably been made many times. From this, I thought Compath was either,

A. Awkward scum
B. Someone who has played with hectic and was hinting at who he was

The latter was my interpretation after thinking about it, and if it were the case it was town indicative to me because it would be unnecessarily putting himself out there / providing information to hectic. I scum read DDL for his serious vote because I felt he also picked up on the awkwardness, but instead of thinking it through to the alternative option (B), he stopped at (A), which was scum indicative to me (pushing over sorting).

Things are going to be

hectic

with you around.

VOTE: Hectic

VOTE: compath serious vote

In particular, I read Compath's joke as forced because the hectic pun is obvious and seems like something that has probably been made many times. From this, I thought Compath was either,

A. Awkward scum
B. Someone who has played with hectic and was hinting at who he was

The latter was my interpretation after thinking about it, and if it were the case it was town indicative to me because it would be unnecessarily putting himself out there / providing information to hectic. I scum read DDL for his serious vote because I felt he also picked up on the awkwardness, but instead of thinking it through to the alternative option (B), he stopped at (A), which was scum indicative to me (pushing over sorting).

can we please get some votes on this please

?

Things are going to be

hectic

with you around.

VOTE: Hectic

VOTE: compath serious vote

In particular,

I read Compath's joke as forced

because the hectic pun is obvious and seems like something that has probably been made many times. From this, I thought Compath was either,

A. Awkward scum

B. Someone who has played with hectic and was hinting at who he was

The latter was my interpretation

after thinking about it, and if it were the case it was town indicative to me because it would be unnecessarily putting himself out there / providing information to hectic. I scum read DDL for his serious vote because I felt he also picked up on the awkwardness, but instead of thinking it through to the alternative option (B), he stopped at (A), which was scum indicative to me (pushing over sorting).

'yeah compath joke is forced, this reads like akward scum but i'll interpret it like it's just a hard townread' <-- this is how i read this
Furthermore, you go 'oh DDL is voting this scummy slot that I should be scumreading but am actually hard townreading because lolwhynot, so DDL must be scum'?

what's the logic here?

it's such a bad faked scumread

Let me rephrase that

You read compath like he's awkward scum
But you somehow go to a hard townread on it

and you then proceed to scumread someone who's scumreading and voting someone YOU read like awkward scum?

i don't know how to phrase this properly but i hope ya'll understand lol

You're way overthinking things or just going for LHF. I begin the game thinking from the start, no matter how little there is to go on. That being said, it's still very much just (virtually random) conjecture at that point. My opinion on both Compath changed within the same page (I didn't like Compath's responses and I liked DDL ignoring us). Compath being solid townie was hyperbole / RVS shenanegans.

Compath being solid townie was hyperbole / RVS shenanegans.

well no

you just said it was a serious read?

Though i'm not sure what your scum plan is by doing any of this

It's not a position you wanna be in if ur scum, and you could have easily just gone with the flow once heat turned up

ehhhhhh

My 196 was merely an elaboration of 184 which they already gave their opinion on and indicated they changed their mind on in 195. That you think they would need to respond to 196, specifically, indicates to me that you did not process the interaction between us and are just looking at things on the surface.

next, the slaxx thing! i found his assessment of clidd and then subsequent retraction when he read the Brass and Shrapnel game very civiliany, and I'm not sure how you got the impression I found it lawbreakery?

This does seem to be a misunderstanding. I interpreted your sentence here:

I've read slaxx' interactions this game and his stance on clidd's overconfidence and cliddiness felt very real until he switched on his stance once reading the Brass and Shrapnel Game.

as "Slaxx's Clidd read felt genuine, but the switch did not." Actually, on second thought, I still am reading it that way. That's some weird phrasing otherwise.

the reason for you "pocketing" me is due to the style of the post in which you replied to us. a lot of people at The Force took a liking to this Detective "Detective" Detective character, and you did answer most of our concerns that we could remember.

I don't find this reasoning acceptable. It's not even really about not following up on the post 6 question. It's that your previous posts heavily implied that you felt you caught scum. The sudden reversal doesn't feel genuine and reads as TMI. Posting in the detective style is NAI and can be done from either alignment, as you should know.

[Ame]

I took a more thorough look at Hectic's meta case and do find it convincing. Bump Luca up to the #2 suspect. I still prefer to lynch Compath first however since he is an identified threat.

[Ame]

@Luca, can you go into your Compath read? Particularly your reasoning as of 129?
@Hectic, can you provide and explain your Compath read?
@Slaxx, can you go into your Compath read? Particularly what changed your opinion on 8 and 9 as indicated in your 227? And what influenced his placement in your 231 list?
@Ico, can you elaborate on why you were reading Compath as town as of 321? Additionally, why were you worried Compath had a meta read of you if he was town reading you (185)? Additionally, why did you ask who Compath was in 28 but not ask the same of me?
@Kanna, can you go into your Compath read? Particularly your reasoning as of 328.

Additionally, I'd like to know what each of you thinks about the points I made against Compath.

[Ame]

While it is correct that 'would it be true' refers to a hypothetical state, that hypothetical state is that state where you are imagining you are scum. In such a state, your actual alignment doesn't change simply because you are imagining it.

For the statement to be 'true' it would need to be rephrased from 'Imagine you are scum this game' to 'If you were scum this game.' The key is the difference in semantic meaning between 'imagine,' which is an action, and 'if,' which is a conditional.

[Ame]

We can disagree, but there is only one factually correct interpretation. For your interpretation to have equal validity, you would need to disprove that the word 'imagine' is an action and not a conditional.

[Ame]

It's similar to saying "Run down the street: would it be true or false that you are scum this game." The action has no bearing on your alignment.

[Ame]

Run down the street. Would it be true of false that you are running down the street?

The conditional is implied, in my opinion, no matter how you dress it up.

It would be true if you were running down the street and false if you weren't. The command is irrelevant to your actual state.

[Ame]

Of course it's implied. It wouldn't be a riddle otherwise. It doesn't change the fact that it's an objectively incorrect interpretation.

[Ame]

Your interpretation that it is implied is correct. Your interpretation of what it means is not.

Implied =/= is

You lost this argument quite a few posts ago and I'd be honoured if you conceded.

[Ame]

If the wording didn't have a degree of ambiguity, the question would be meaningless as you wouldn't have to think about it further.

Vote: Luca's Pride

I think it's Compath/Ico as well.

[Ame]

@Luca, now that you have my answers, why is it that you wanted my response? Your redirecting to me here makes me feel like you felt there was actually something to get out of the questions/my response. Or maybe I'm misreading the tone and it's not actually antagonistic?

Could you address this? (Twas hidden in my my ame-miami spoiler)

[Ame]

I think Ame sounded really genuine in #415, like she was pouring her heart out. I think Clidd might be town cause he seems really invested in solving; don't know if scum goes this far.

kanna is town this game, the way he formulates this is how town tries to sort i think

If the wording didn't have a degree of ambiguity, the question would be meaningless as you wouldn't have to think about it further.

Vote: Luca's Pride

I think it's Compath/Ico as well.

what is this supposed to mean? You wanna vote luca but think it's compath + me? After you just 'towncased' me based on that RQS?

I should correct my wording: I'm also theorizing Compath/Ico.

Voting Luca was a joke. I'm voting his pride / inability to admit he was incorrect.

[Ame]

@Ico could you answer these:

@Ico, can you elaborate on why you were reading Compath as town as of 321? Additionally, why were you worried Compath had a meta read of you if he was town reading you (185)? Additionally, why did you ask who Compath was in 28 but not ask the same of me?

[Ame]

@Ico additionally, could you walk me through what about Compath's opening made you feel he was someone you knew?

[Ame]

@Slaxx what was it you were waiting on for your Luca read before?

[Ame]

VOTE: Iconeum

This is the way to go.

[Ame]

I intentionally left my Ico analysis short because I needed to reevaluate. I've reevaluated and did a meta dive. This is scum Ico. I'll go into more details when I'm on a computer, but in the meantime all town comrades feel free to join me, blindly or boldly.

[Ame]

Trust Ame imo.

[Ame]

UNVOTE: Iconeum

I'll vote again when it's time, but I no longer trust leaving someone at L1

[Ame]

@Luca why did you feel Compath over Iconeum before. You made multi-post case on Ico and barely anything on Compath.

Also I've been feeling a lack of force behind your pushes this game. Where's the spirit?

[Ame]

@Slaxx:

@Slaxx, can you go into your Compath read? Particularly what changed your opinion on 8 and 9 as indicated in your 227? And what influenced his placement in your 231 list?

[Ame]

@Ame, what was it you wanted me to clarify exactly? Why I asked you about the RQS questions?

Yes, I had stated a bit before you asked me that I would explain everything once I received the answers I needed, so I'm wondering why you asked me about them then?

[Ame]

You seem to always say my pushes lack force, maybe that’s just my play style? I don’t normally push really hard unless I’m convinced someone is scum.

Oh wow I guess this is true.

Still there's something different I think. You were obvtown to me almost immediately mini normal 2115. I'm going to think about it some to see if I can sort out the difference.

[Ame]

The friendly thing isn't scum-indicative; I'm just trying to have a more laid-back approach in general,

When did you make the decision to have this approach and what provoked it?

[Ame]

But you said that you were

trying

to have a more laid-back approach, which indicates intent?

[Ame]

But you said that you were

trying

to have a more laid-back approach, which indicates intent?

I knew you were going to say that.

Yes, trying was probably the wrong wording, although not entirely wrong. I feel like changing, therefore it's like trying to change but without 100% conscious awareness of it.

Ok that makes sense.

You seem to always say my pushes lack force, maybe that’s just my play style? I don’t normally push really hard unless I’m convinced someone is scum.

Oh wow I guess this is true.

Still there's something different I think. You were obvtown to me almost immediately mini normal 2115. I'm going to think about it some to see if I can sort out the difference.

I don't remember being obvtown to you almost immediately that game, I remember you being highly suspicious of me for most of D1 before deciding Frost was scummier.

I didn't express it, but you were obvtown to me from the start and I was only questioning you to verify my read/sort the discrepancy in your voting.

And during that questioning, you came off as combative which is where I think I obtained the impression of your style. But since then your style has been more 'nice,' which is why I've felt differently.

@Luca, now that you have my answers, why is it that you wanted my response? Your redirecting to me here makes me feel like you felt there was actually something to get out of the questions/my response. Or maybe I'm misreading the tone and it's not actually antagonistic?

Could you address this? (Twas hidden in my my ame-miami spoiler)

I wanted nothing in particular, I just wanted to see your answers and what you'd make of everything.

So to clarify, which of these is the correct interpretation/tone of the line 'Your turn, Ame'

a) "I've answered your questions, now let's see what you make out of them"
b) "I've answered your questions, now you answer them yourself"
c) "Now I'd like to see your answers out of curiosity"

[Ame]

I would prefer not to lynch Ico today.

How confident are you that they are town?

[Ame]

@Compath: Why haven't you taken Clidd's meta into account regarding your read? I'm not saying he can't be scummy, buy the points you made against him are NAI Clidd stuff. This is the biggest issue with you currently.

[Ame]

but*

[Ame]

@Compath: Why haven't you taken Clidd's meta into account regarding your read?

I don't usually like to use meta unless it's meta from a game that I've played in. Plus, a player's playstyle can change drastically throughout games, especially newer ones such as Clidd.

But using meta to falsify an assumption is completely different than using meta to scum/town read a player.

If you think player X is scummy for action Y, and someone shows you that player X does Y all the time, it no longer makes sense to scum read them for it.

[Ame]

I’d say the tone was most similar to b, the meaning was most similar to c.

This seems like a slip to me then :/

The tone of b indicates that you felt that scum!me should be afraid to answer the questions

which would mean that you felt the questions were something that scum should be afraid of answering

And that just doesn't seem right coming from a town!Luca perspective who has never seen the value in RQS. Do you see what I'm saying?

[Ame]

I read your reaction as similar to this situation: two friends are playing Russian roulette

A: Hey you go first
L: *goes first* your turn A

The tone suggests that you were intending to put me in an a situation that I wouldn't want to be in

[Ame]

Hectic is it really your birthday? Happy Birthday!!!


VOTE: Iconeum

[Ame]

trainee "trainee" trainee finds this posting style problematic on mobile

i agree that you're reading into that too much, Ame

i doubt Luca as either alignment thinks you'll find it difficult to answer your own RQS convincingly/in a civiliany way

My thinking is more that scum!Luca just reacted without really thinking. I don't think he consciously thought they were something I should be afraid of. The line just doesn't really make sense to say. Ergo I suspect it came from nervous scum who was just reacting in the moment

[Ame]

OK, I'm satisfied with your answers. Thanks for answering.

That's all I have for today (unless Clidd/anyone would still like for me to case out Ico)

I think I'm probably going to be night killed since I'm a shining beacon of towniness. I guess if Ico flips scum, Slaxx would be the mate. (Off the top of my head, I don't think Kanna and Ico have interacted at all though)

@Clidd I TR you because your reasoning makes sense to me and is easy to follow.

Bye!

[Ame]

@Kanna

@Ame, what was it you wanted me to clarify exactly? Why I asked you about the RQS questions?

Yes, I had stated a bit before you asked me that I would explain everything once I received the answers I needed, so I'm wondering why you asked me about them then?

@Compath

@Compath: Why haven't you taken Clidd's meta into account regarding your read?

I don't usually like to use meta unless it's meta from a game that I've played in. Plus, a player's playstyle can change drastically throughout games, especially newer ones such as Clidd.

But using meta to falsify an assumption is completely different than using meta to scum/town read a player.

If you think player X is scummy for action Y, and someone shows you that player X does Y all the time, it no longer makes sense to scum read them for it.

@Slaxx:

@Slaxx

@Slaxx, can you go into your Compath read? Particularly what changed your opinion on 8 and 9 as indicated in your 227? And what influenced his placement in your 231 list?

Also @Slaxx are you aware of who Compath is?

[Ame]

@Luca do you agree with my assessment of your personality? Also, do you consider yourself to be more introverted or extroverted?

[Ame]

I'm just curious :3

[Ame]

@Kanna I'm more interested in why you asked me at that time when I had stated a bit before that I was going to reveal everything. e.g. did you not see my post? did you misinterpret it? other?
@Luca Ok. I was just curious (not game related).

[Ame]

I think we should just lynch Slaxx for a flawless victory.

[Ame]

I think he has the same scum tells as Ico. Superficial reads and the like. The quick hammer. And also his reaction to the no kill.

[Ame]

Also active lurking.

[Ame]

I just really think it's compath, trust me guys

Ok!

[Ame]

Let's have these claims in this order: Slaxx, Compass, Kanna

[Ame]

Flawless Victory!

[Ame]

@Luca: http://www.humanmetrics.com/personality/istj

[Ame]

Also active lurking.

A little offensive. I don’t think much of what I’ve done is active lurking.

I'm referring, specifically, to you posting but not responding to my questions as well as your quick hammer. Posting but not engaging is active lurking.

[Ame]

@Slaxx, can you go into your Compath read? Particularly what changed your opinion on 8 and 9 as indicated in your 227? And what influenced his placement in your 231 list?

Also @Slaxx are you aware of who Compath is?

Additionally, why did you hammer before Ico had a chance to come online?

[Ame]

I agree that you weren't lurking earlier in the day but you were at the end when I was questioning Luca. I think you were waiting to see which way the winds would blow. The speed at which the Ico wagon built up left you in a tough spot and the lolhammer was the only way you could place yourself on it.

If anyone should know who Compath is, it's you. It should be obvious from your perspective...

Slaxx can you explain to me what shifted your read about 8 and 9 at the time of your 227?

[Ame]

If there wasn't a specific post that changed your read, can you quote the posts that gave you the feeling?

It's not my prerogative to reveal who they are. I just wanted to measure how thoroughly you've read them.

[Ame]

Thanks! Using the [post] tag automatically links them!

[Ame]

No, I'm new to this forum! I just happened to come across Compath's identity when browsing through games.

[Ame]

He hasn't been online since day start. I foresee him being online within the next 2-3 hours.

[Ame]

Holy
Holly
Whole
Wholely

[Ame]

Any is fine!

[Ame]

Well they did log on! This is of course assuming that the clues he gave Ico were genuine rather than a red herring.

[Ame]

tbf, I knew I was gonna look bad today

How come?

[Ame]

Please just claim xD

[Ame]

[Ame]

VOTE: Kanna

[Ame]

UNVOTE: Kanna

[Ame]

mhm

Well they did log on! This is of course assuming that the clues he gave Ico were genuine rather than a red herring.

Ame, what do you mean by clues?

@Ame; ?

Spoiler:

Things are going to be

hectic

with you around.

VOTE: Hectic

why does a pun entrance *have* to be justified?

Let's lynch VOTE: Iconeum for an

iconic

D1 lynch!

VOTE: Clidd

What I saw in your interaction with Ame was a possible approach to a death tunnel, which did not materialize due to external interaction. Evidently, considering that you're scum. In the town!Ico scenario, I believe that post 27 would become an assimilation with an individual experience, which was not well worked out, but provided an initial horizon to develop a premature dialogue between both. I still think about both possibilities, but I'm considering scum!Ico trying to architect something here.

Town!Ico never does that?

[Ame]

Your turn, Luca.

[Ame]

@Kanna why did you think you would look bad today?

[Ame]

Neither were two other players. What made you think you'd look bad in particular?

Why was the clue question important to you?

[Ame]

So either Slaxx is a Godfather or Kanna is mafia gunsmith.

Ah, so that was the purpose of the lolhammer

L-1

, Just so everyone is aware.

VOTE: Icon

lolhammer

OK, I'm satisfied with your answers. Thanks for answering.

That's all I have for today (unless Clidd/anyone would still like for me to case out Ico)

I think I'm probably going to be night killed since I'm a shining beacon of towniness. I guess if Ico flips scum, Slaxx would be the mate. (Off the top of my head, I don't think Kanna and Ico have interacted at all though)

@Clidd I TR you because your reasoning makes sense to me and is easy to follow.

Bye!

Fair enough. If this flips scum vig me

cop me

track me etc

VOTE: Slaxx

[Ame]

Can one of ya Compath voters unvote

[Ame]

I don’t think godfather is considered normal.

Oh!

Ahem.

[Ame]

@Compath what was your result? If it was Slaxx, then Kanna is the only option. If it was Clidd, Slaxx is still an option but I think I'm still leaning Kanna.

Honestly getting bad feelings from ame/clidd for pushing an outed pr.

This is odd to me considering Luca had a result that contradicted your claim. It's also odd to me how long you stayed on Compath despite Luca's claim that he was inno. It indicates an inconsistency in your perspective: you believe me/Clidd should have taken your claim at face value, but you did not take Luca's claim at face value. It's also suspicious that you remained on Compath after Luca claimed his actual result (until I requested unvoting).

[Ame]

That implies another town power role which means the gunsmith claim might actually be a mafia role.

This is my thinking as well.

[Ame]

I think we should leave it up to whoever stopped the kill to decide whether or not they should claim. Otherwise, I don't think it's necessary.

[Ame]

Clidd

@Slaxx

What is your actual read about me, considering that I didn't put you on my list ?

What did you intend to get out of Slaxx from this?

Slaxx is sorting, making reads. I don't scumread him at all, but it's not like I have him as hard town either.

If you give me a gun and make me choose between slaxx and clidd, i shoot clidd.

''Give me a buddy''

- Iconeum

.

Could you explain what you meant by this?

VOTE: Kanna

Why did you vote Kanna here?

[Ame]

Kanna

I think I’m coming around to Luca. Also the compath stuff by Ame/Luca is pretty convincing. Still going to look back before deciding

What made you change your mind on Luca at this point in time?

I feel like Compath/Ico are really similar in their tone is townie and they’ve both had a few chains I thought was really townie but I’m not sure anymore

Can you point out the chains that you felt were townie?

VOTE: Compath

Is massclaim a good idea today?

Why did you go the mass claim route instead of simply claiming a guilty on Compath? Why have everyone else claim?

@Ame; No, from my perspective, I only know what I am/my result is the truth.

Exactly, so the point is that from my perspective, I only know what I am, I don't know what you are. Why would you expect me/Clidd to put blind faith into your claim considering that there was another claim that contradicted your result?

[Ame]

VOTE: Kanna

[Ame]

DDL was the first to push Ico.
Luca is town.
Ame swung the lynch from Compath to Ico and is a beacon of towniness and also was saved.
Clidd's reaction to Ico's flip has the appearance of townIgnorance.
Slaxx is clear.
Compath is clear.
Hectic's vote on the Ico wagon appears natural and of having come from a place of townIgnorance.

I think Kanna is it. The way she went about her claim doesn't feel genuine to me at all. She "gave in" to claiming way too easily and it doesn't really make sense for her to have pushed for a mass claim instead of simply claiming a guilty on Compath and having him claim only. I think Kanna felt she needed to make a move today (as she stated, she felt she would look bad after the Ico flip) and made the play to try and get herself cleared as a town PR.

[Ame]

VOTE: Clidd

Actually.

[Ame]

It

is

rational to have Kanna self-resolve. And I agree with Hectic that Ico-Clidd may have been theatre. Ico's case wasn't going to go anywhere since he was using points everyone had already disputed.

[Ame]

It depends on how deceptive of a scum player Clidd is. @Clidd are you genuinely a new player or is this just a new account?

These are the posts I'm TRing him for:

Ico

, you are L-1. I believe that you are a good person to be practicing a malicious activity like lying, right ? am I correct in assuming that you were sincere in answering why you thought of my playstyle ?

So,

Ico

tried a

death tunnel

, but they went back and decided not to proceed, which isn't clear yet. The fact that they direct attention to me, while Compath had doubts about my playstyle (at the same day) seems strange.

The first indicates townIgnorance. I really don't get the feeling he knew what Ico was going to flip. The second also is very much the reaction a TI Clidd would have given that he was going back and forth throughout the day on whether or not Ico was trying to death tunnel. This feels like a genuine "ah so that was the case" moment.

Ok yeah I just convinced myself again that he's town. I prefer lynching Kanna for a flawless victory, but I am aware that not lynching her is the rational choice. DDL had Ico as his strongest scum read pretty early and I'm adamantly against voting key wagoners of a scum lynch early in the game on principle.

[Ame]

Gunsmiths can detect if a player has a gun flavorwise. Mafia, Cops, etc. all have guns (again in terms of flavor. The cops can't actually shoot). Kanna detected that Compath had a gun because he is a 1-shot cop.

[Ame]

Is the number of PRs unlimited ?

I need this information. Three PRs seem very exaggerated.

Seeing as there are four PRs in play, yes there can be three PRs. Even if one of the four is scum, there will be 3.

VOTE: Kanna

[Ame]

@ddl where do you want to go?

[Ame]

Do you think scum no killed then?

[Ame]

Or doctor is being shy. Maybe they have a reason

I'm pretty sure it's a jailkeeper and that it's hectic. He's been crumbing it throughout the game with his RP.

[Ame]

By the way, Ame controls my vote.

I agree with NLing. I'd like to hear from Hectic and DDL before we end the day though.

[Ame]

Yea Kanna brought that up

883 pings me

[Ame]

@Kanna the reasoning behind 1 and 2 will help paint a picture of your mindset at the time and whether or not it was genuine.

[Ame]

I change my mind on NL. The pool is narrow enough that lynching is beneficial regardless of the outcome. I currently intend to go ddl but it depends on the responses from him* and Hectic.

*Is this grammatically correct?

[Ame]

In particular I'd like a claim from hectic and ddl's reads.

[Ame]

Detective "Detective" Detective here. The SVPD has received word that members of The Force may be operating within our town without proper credentials. We request that each member submit the required paperwork outlining their role within the force and the actions they have taken on our citizens. If said paperwork is not filed within an appropriate timeframe, the SVPD will be compelled to Raichu a strongly worded letter.

[Ame]

The SVPD does not believe The Force is operating under malicious intent. However we have difficulty imagining that the night Savior and the gunsmith are both lawful citizens. If the force is some sort of JOAT, should not coffee dealer Kanna be their primary suspect?

[Ame]

Yea Kanna brought that up

883 pings me

how?

there's 4 claims that we need to do the logic in figuring out who is conf'd since there is cross checks
then after thinking a bit more in 884, it turned out it was not even correct, so the questioning is warranted

Vaguely correct? There was nothing vague about it. It was obvious that Luca wasn't fully cleared. This post and your follow up come off to me as a subtle attempt at putting Luca back into pool.

It's just off to me that you went about it so indirectly.

[Ame]

Detective "Detective" Detective pulling a 24 (a cup o' Joe would be nice). We have reviewed The Force's credentials and everything checks out. Charmander in Chief has authorized supplanting Poke Whisperer Little with members of The Force on our list of upstanding citizens. The SVPD looks forward to working with you in bringing the final lawbreaker to justice.

[Ame]

Right, so the town response would be something like "Luca's not cleared"

But instead, you went through the theatre of coming to that conclusion over multiple post

[Ame]

Like I just don't find it believable that you didn't realize here want cleared until your next post VOTE: 884

[Ame]

884

Wrong tag

[Ame]

ddl may I see one of your scum games?

Doc should claim as being night killed would be beneficial. I'm VT.

[Ame]

Doc should protect Kanna and Kanna should investigate doc

[Ame]

And we lynch the other. E.g. Clidd claims doc, we lynch ddl

[Ame]

@Clidd are you here?

[Ame]

idk sorry im not as smart as you think i am.

Your RDJ ava says otherwise (along with reviewing a previous game of yours where you were on top of setup spec)

im not claiming btw

y?

(btw who did you think I was an alt of? amrun?)

[Ame]

ddl, you're the final claim we need.

[Ame]

I'm aware. Id like to know what it is, who he saved, and we he has not claimed.

[Ame]

I trust the force and they have the full support of the SVPD.

VOTE: DDL

@Kanna if this isn't it, please don't waste your investigation on Hectic. It would be better to use it on Clidd.

[Ame]

If DDL town and Kanna lives, we lynch Kanna. If not, we lynch Clidd. If the game is still going at that point, it's between Luca and Compath sided toward Luca. Under no circumstances do we lynch Ame, Slaxx, or Hectic. I repeat: DO. NOT. LYNCH. HECTIC.

[Ame]

Trust

[Ame]

Ame would never hurt Slaxx, my fellow data-obsessed, crowd-repulsed nerd

Even if DDL is ml, the plan I outlined leads to win so long as there are no deviations.

[Ame]

He's so blatantly town it hurts. So reckless no self preservation image protection

[Ame]

You should def claim

[Ame]

So about that claim

[Ame]

Slaxxxx

[Ame]

As in NO RANDOM INTENT HAMMERS PLEASE

Agree but could you put ddl at L1 so he'll claim

[Ame]

Wait really? Can someone express their intent to hammer then

[Ame]

So the doctor is confirmed scum. Which means Kanna and the rest of the PR claims are clear. We lynch the VTs, we kill the Batman

[Ame]

Lel

[Ame]

He meant Kanna. I claimed VT

One of the VT claims is scum and is a jail keeper. We lynch the VTs systematically.

Hectic is most likely the jail keeper as he crummed it a couple of times Day 1 (using the term lock them up). Additionally, he directed Kanna to investigate him which is a sign of scum showmanship (LAMIST as it's known here). His asking Kanna if she investigated him at the start of today is also apart of that (An attempt to play ignorant at the fact that she was roleblocked, while making it appear he is a townie who would have been innod).

There's no need for discussion. Let's proceed.

VOTE: Hectic

[Ame]

Also apologies ddl. Hectic has an insane ability to alter everything about his meta which threw me off. I knew he was scum in a game that was ongoing and now finished and couldn't see his completely different play here (reckless and making cases as opposed to reserved and inquisitive) as coming from the same alignment. He's just a mastermind though.

[Ame]

@Luca 2 reasons:

1. There was a no kill N1. The only alternative to this is BP (which hasn't been claimed, also I haven't checked if that's a normal role) or someone simply forgetting to submit a kill. The only person that could have been is Compath who is now confirmed. So scum likely no killed to gain credibility on their role, but once we started speculating that the protector and gunsmith couldn't both be town, they had to change up their strategy and claim VT.

2. Kanna is still alive. Meaning she is either scum or roleblocked. The former is less likely than the latter given her approach.

Additionally, as I said, Hectic crumbed it D1. I believe he fully intended to eventually come out as jailkeep but had to change it up after all the claims.

[Ame]

Now I'm confused.

Let's not have a repeat. Just listen to me this time.

[Ame]

trainee "trainee" trainee is inquisitive!

So Luca and Kanna are

PR

, Slaxx is

inno

, Ame strong

town

and Hectic

scum

.

Game solved.

why are Luca and Ame cleared by virtue of being Power Roles? why can't they be fakeclaiming?

Speaking of agendas.

[Ame]

scum Doctor

He'd still have a gun in this case wouldn't here or... ohhhh wow I forgot it was flavor based I've completely been working on the assumption that scum would turn up guilty regardless of their role. Ok yeah he is scum in either case.

[Ame]

ddl's VT claim is what changed my mind. As indicated here. I was actually going to voice this opinion yesterday and was in the process of working it out before Slaxx lolhammered.

[Ame]

Now I'm confused.

Let's not have a repeat. Just listen to me this time.

That' what im doing, but I am not able to clearly understand these logical lines with roles that I have never played before.

You can ignore the jailkeeper idea, I didn't realize that simply being Doctor would bring an inno result. But basically Hectic prodding Kanna to investigate him is strongly indicative that he is scum who was aiming to be cleared. As town, even though you know you're going to be inno it would be natural to want her to use it on someone else who actually has a possibility of being scum.

[Ame]

Now I'm confused.

Let's not have a repeat. Just listen to me this time.

That' what im doing, but I am not able to clearly understand these logical lines with roles that I have never played before.

You can ignore the jailkeeper idea, I didn't realize that simply being Doctor would bring an inno result. But basically Hectic prodding Kanna to investigate him is strongly indicative that he is scum who was aiming to be cleared. As town, even though you know you're going to be inno it would be natural to want her to use it on someone else who actually has a possibility of being scum.

Yes this is true. I believe that

town!Hectic

would be able to convince us by dialogue, so he would probably ask someone else to be investigated.

The only point that bothers me is the fact that he is playing several characters, something that needs a certain effort to be done. It would be extremely disappointing that such artifice was used for biased purposes.

It's NAI. He uses different theme in different games regardless of his alignment. I can't be bothered to look right now, but if you search through his past games you'll be able to find similar styles (I think maybe one was undertail?)

[Ame]

Hectic flips red and Ame gets her red dead redemption.

[Ame]

Hectic is doing the same to you Clidd as he did to dsj in the last game, trying to appeal to your sense of doubt. He's arguing that it would be mylo tomorrow and yet is trying to lock a lynch. That is not town play.

[Ame]

I haven’t read through the last few pages but in case anyone’s waiting for me: no I didn’t get roleblocked + Hectic doesn’t have a gun so he’s innocent

No he isn't he isn't. Think about why you are alive. It's because you can only get innocents from here on out.

@Slaxx let Kanna be the hammerer this time!

[Ame]

Question: is it possible for a special scum role to appear as inno on reports ?

Yes, Doctor. Since gunsmith detects guns based on flavor, any role that doesn't have that flavor will be inno. Hectic is a mafia doctor and will therefore show up inno.

[Ame]

Are you guys forgetting that there wasn't a kill N1?

[Ame]

Like there has to be a doctor lol. And that person has lied about their role. Therefore they are scum.

[Ame]

My boiii

[Ame]

Sorry Hectic!!! Yet another data point showing that I should trust my meta reads over my in-game logic.

@Kanna can you point out which step in my reasoning you feel was disingenuous?

Busy now but bbl, this is the first mylo I've been a part of in years!!!

[Ame]

Oh wow it just hit me that Luca wasn't 1-shot. I didn't know where his Vanilla claim on Clidd was coming from. This definitely changes things!

I want to utilize the time we have today, but I think we should ultimately no lynch so that Kanna can get a result on Clidd.

@Kanna can never explained how you missed my statement that I'd address the RQS stuff when I got the answers I needed. You asked me about it like right after I said that and then asked me about them again.

@Clidd why have you been so trusting of me?

@Slaxx just curious is there any normal role that could have misled Compath's result?

[Ame]

Also @Slaxx and @Clidd can you guys think of an alternative explanation to the lack of kill N1 other than the scum doctor theory??? This doesn't make any sense to me. The only other explanation is scum no killed for the heck of it?

[Ame]

Clidd have you used this wiki? All the normal roles can be found there.

[Ame]

haha I really thought you knew because you read up on Masons in the last game

[Ame]

@ame; I’m super sure I did answer the rqs thing. I’ll find my response later if you want. Also why is that so important to you?

The town mindset is investigative. The scum mindset is meant to

look

investigative. Sometimes this can be distinguished when a player makes statement/question that is off-beat with the flow of the thread. This is what happened from my perspective:

Slaxx: what is the meaning of this RQS stuff?
Ame: I'll explain once I get the answer I need. All that's left is Clidd and Ico!
Kanna: Ame what inspired your RQS?
Kanna: Will you explain your RQS ~eventually~?

Your posts were off-beat with the flow of the thread. They completely ignored my post which indicates that you weren't actually being investigative (as an investigative person would have simply waited for my explanation) but rather just posting to

look

investigative/form an interaction with me/provide content.

[Ame]

Actually, I knew about masons because of my Epicmafia experience.

I mean neighbors. What did you read that helped you come to understand neighbors?

[Ame]

Clidd have you used this wiki? All the normal roles can be found there.

...

I didn't, but thanks.

It would be easier with this tool before.

Hmm so you're lying:

Ame, can you explain this ? what do you mean by you're both neighbors ?

If that's true, you and Dsj should be mechanically clean as masons.

Nevermind, I found the meaning on the wiki.

[Ame]

I honestly thought there was a chance I'd be killed.

Well, let's hear it Kanna!