Newbie 1987 | Game Over

[GeneralWu]

Yo guys i'm first here

[GeneralWu]

First is the worst... Second is also the worst >:(
My brother is in Phi Kappa Phi...
VOTE: Phi Kappa Phi

I smell OOT

[GeneralWu]

I see we have a few newly-registered players in this game.

What is everyone's prior experience in playing mafia (forum mafia or otherwise)?
Do you prefer playing as town or scum?

This is my 3rd game of forum mafia. I have also previously played browser-based mafia (epicmafia) and enjoy hidden identity board games
I prefer to play as town. I enjoy solving/deducing who is who in the zoo. I find being mafia can be stressful.

I've played like 12 games on mafiauniverse and artofproblemsolving.com and I have a 100% win rate as mafia :O

[GeneralWu]

artofproblemsolving.com

do they do like classes on mafia or something? or is there a forum somewhere

Or is this secretly a plug?

It's a math website but there's a mafia forum

[GeneralWu]

First is the worst... Second is also the worst >:(
My brother is in Phi Kappa Phi...
VOTE: Phi Kappa Phi

I smell OOT

What's OOT?
If anyone is going to use abbreviations, please elaborate for us abbreviation-dummies/not-cool-kids

OOT is short for Out Of Thread Communication

[GeneralWu]

so you're saying it was off-topic? I think it was more an indication that was the reason he chose phi for RVS

no it wasn't off topic
I just think it's pretty hard for two people who know each other in real life to not talk about the game outside of the thread lol

[GeneralWu]

Is epicmafia still alive?

lmao epicmafia
i havent played there in like a year and a half
last time i was on there everyone was playing setups with like 8 killing roles in them

[GeneralWu]

What makes him seem townie to you?

historically, newbies who get avatars very quickly without fighting about it have tended to flip town!

wait wtmoo
I got an avatar because getting an avatar makes a game easier to read
Also how do you know that historically newbies who get avatars very quickly without fighting about it have tended to flip town

[GeneralWu]

Oh we're on page 2

Time for OBVIOUSCSCUM thoughts

"how to play scum"
maybe play scum by being nice? your goal is to get into the townblock and endgame, right, and it will be easier to do that if people like you. plus the game will be more pleasant for everyone if the scum are nice

"how to play town"
even though I just said scum should try to be nice (i.e. "pocket" townies), I don't think it's healthy for a game if you get too paranoid about every pleasant interaction. it can be hard to fake niceness; hell it can be harder to fake niceness and solving than it can be to fake aggression. plus if everyone is calmer then you will be able to think about the thought processes of players easier

these have been obviouscum thoughts, thank you for your time

Is this some weird role play thing where you have a different posting style based on the alt account that you log in with?

What are everyone's thoughts regarding OS admitting to this being an alternate account, in particular linked to an account that i just played a game with.
OS played under the account DetectivePikachu (DP and I were both town).

Is the act of OS admitting this is an alternate account alignment indicative? What are people's thoughts?
I'm wondering if !scumOS (scenario of OS having rolled mafia this game) versus !townOS would admit, versus not admit, to being an alternate account, or if I'm barking up the wrong tree completely and this has no relevance at all...

Wait I don't think an alternate account necessarily is alignment indicative.
Since after all your alignment is determined AFTER you decide which account to join the game with.

[GeneralWu]

what I usually think of is overkill from this game tho -- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

who actively resisted getting an avi as scum

so maybe scum have tended to make more of a thing about it one way or the other, either refusing to get one at first or asking for a lot of help on it

I mean if the user knows that the game is easier to read when everyone has an avatar, but he still refuses to get one, it could be with the intention of messing things up.
Since I know on Mafia Universe that games can get harder to read when someone doesn't have an avatar, and even harder when more than one person has no avatar.

It all depends on the situation though. If it's quite obvious the user is intentionally making a fuss out of avatars he has a greater chance of being mafia.
While someone who's using a forum like this for the first time and doesn't know the benefit of an avatar may be innocent.

[GeneralWu]

Genwu is town but not for avatar related reasons

why do you think i'm town

[GeneralWu]

Obvscum might also be town

reasons?
I also think obvscum is towny but I'd like to hear your reasons first

[GeneralWu]

Obvscum might also be town

reasons?
I also think obvscum is towny but I'd like to hear your reasons first

Sure

His overall pleasant "trying to get the game going" vibes

yeah I think so too
His tone is towny and he seems to try and get stuff moving

[GeneralWu]

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[GeneralWu]

Like, just because someone put in a lot of work to create a first post doesn't make him conftown

[GeneralWu]

@72
I disagree. I haven't played with OS so I can't say anything about his playstyle or how he types, but it didn't feel like there was any malicious intent in saying that he played with you before. Rather, it's strange that you're somewhat aggressively putting the spotlight on him. I like your desire to get the game moving, but this might be a dead end.

Yeah I agree with this post.

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Lock scum

wtmoo

[GeneralWu]

@ GW - what is wtmoo?

wtmoo=what the moo
same as wtf but nicer

[GeneralWu]

We can make clidd be at l1 so he has a spicy gamestate upon checking in :3

I think this is a bad idea
Since clidd hasn't done anything yet, we don't know if he's towny or scummy, and putting him at L-1 for no reason isn't exactly the best idea, at least how I look at it.

[GeneralWu]

Much better

wtmoo why the "much better" when you're getting scumread

[GeneralWu]

Not sure if it's shyness or something, but it weirds me out that a lot of people haven't even voted yet

It weirds me out that you had voted for somebody who hasn't even posted yet

Yeah, voting for people that haven't even showed up feels wrong. I don't really know who to vote for yet, but those asking for people to cast votes aren't giving me good vibes, and two of them have votes on the same person.

I agree with these
There's no point in forcing everyone to cast a vote, especially this early in the game.
Also it's especially not good to vote for people who probably haven't even looked at the thread yet
It's much better to wait till they actually post something before voting them

[GeneralWu]

I have scum-reads on GeneralWu and Kappa

I understand suspecting PKP because of the random clidd vote and saying it's weird not to vote, but why GW?

Overly serious, pings me as someone who wants to act like they're trying to solve the game when they're not.

Eh not as strong a read as Kappa but it's what I see aorn

so how am i "acting like i'm trying to solve the game when i'm not"?
Also how is being serious a bad thing?

[GeneralWu]

You on the other hand have basically only been posting one liners, many of which are either bizarre or have nothing to do with solving the game. This is kind of suspicious.

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VOTE: JacksonVirgo

Sorry buddy, I googled our astrological compatibility and it's not gonna work between us

Aww :c

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Lock scum

Yes, Jackson. How can you be so serious and seriously town read someone as serious as OS... seriously?

I seriously apologize for that seriously serious post

[GeneralWu]

You think Jackson's response to my post about astrological compatibility is weirder than what I said ?

what i'm trying to say is jackson is accusing people and providing one liners as explanations, and he has a good number of fluff posts.

[GeneralWu]

This feels like a contradiction. You are saying pushing for people to vote is a bad idea.
JV votes PKP and we get a very non-chalant response from PKP at being voted. This prompts you to scumread/at least question PKP's response.

So basically JVs vote has stimulated discussion and a potential scum read on PKP and yet you are saying pushing others to bote is bad?

Votes are good because they stimulate discussion and force players to take a stance, rather than sit on the fence, which favours scum, as scum can then just come up with a fake 'scum read' late in the day to lynch a townie.

Im on board the GW lynch train.
Jump aboard people, plenty of room on the wagon.
Choo choo

I wasn't scumreading PKP; I just thought it was weird how he says "much better" when he got scumread.

Also voting isn't bad, but when there's not a lot of reasons to vote for someone, I don't think people should be pushed to vote. Also, voting for someone who hasn't showed up yet isn't a good idea. I especially don't think it's good to put that person at L-1 this early in the game.

In addition, people can still discuss and take a stance without casting a vote till later.

[GeneralWu]

Much better

wtmoo why the "much better" when you're getting scumread

It may be a bias because I already scum-read this slot but this seems forced

can you explain why that post would be forced

[GeneralWu]

no, I don't think that post is scummy. I just thought it was weird how he would say "much better" when he was being scumread.

[GeneralWu]

Not sure if it's shyness or something, but it weirds me out that a lot of people haven't even voted yet

This pings me weird, people don't need to vote this early and this is useless shade.
Die scum
VOTE: /vote Phi Kappa Phi

You provided one sentence of reasoning for voting phi.

I have scum-reads on GeneralWu and Kappa

You make this post, which seems out of the blue. You've stated your tiny bit of reasoning for scumreading phi in an earlier post, and now you repeat the fact that you scumread him, without adding anything to it. You also say that you scumread me, yet you only provide reasoning for your statement afterwards:

I have scum-reads on GeneralWu and Kappa

I understand suspecting PKP because of the random clidd vote and saying it's weird not to vote, but why GW?

Overly serious, pings me as someone who wants to act like they're trying to solve the game when they're not.

Eh not as strong a read as Kappa but it's what I see aorn

[GeneralWu]

Also, you provide your reasoning for scumreading me only

after

Maduisha asked you to do so.

Wouldn't it make more sense to attach your reasons for scumreading someone in the post where you said you said you were scumreading him?
In other words, if you say "I scumread player X", wouldn't it make more sense to put your reasoning in the same post, than to wait for people to ask you why and then post your reasons?

[GeneralWu]

no, I don't think that post is scummy. I just thought it was weird how he would say "much better" when he was being scumread.

You can't say that your post isn't scummy, that's not how it works

I was talking about the phi post

[GeneralWu]

I made a comparison with three other games, which he was town. I noticed that his pattern consists of a game start characterized by an expressive claim or announcement, marked by the use of wifom as a tool of persuasion to, at the same time that he is attracting attention, repelling suspicions due to the strong image of exalted self-confidence. Posts 18, 31, 46 show concern to help inexperienced players, being in coherence with the SE position established in post 8. Assimilation to past experiences in posts 45, 55, 56 and 85 demonstrate transparency in relation to the opinions formed, indicating progressive reasoning in order to develop the game forward, strengthened by the suggestion in post 97. In general, there is no bias in his lines, and his actions are motivated to progress in the team-game proactively. This is enough to consider him as lock-town, under the condition of BoP depending on how the first day and second day occur. If he is not killed within two days, however, I will regard his presence in the game as suspicious, unless there is a PR that has rescue (Doctor) helping him.

what's BoP

I agree that OS is pretty transparent and willing to help and move the game forward. But why would you say he is suspicious if he is not killed within two days?
I can see where you're heading, since towny players tend to be killed by mafia so that the mafia can conceal themselves better. So, if there's a towny player who somehow survives for a long time, he could be regarded as suspicious.
But, supposing that the mafia are townread by everyone in the game, they could also choose to kill scummy people, so that they don't get suspected for being "overly towny" or "so towny they're scummy" or something like that. I remember that happened in a game I played a long time ago on a different website.

[GeneralWu]

I made a comparison with 5 past games, 3 as town and 2 as scum. Chronologically, I can see that from the 1968 game, the expression '' howdy '' was created, which was repeated in the 1982 game, in an attempt to establish a meta favorable to their read as town. However, later, it was also applied in bad faith in both 1974 and 1976 games (scums), mischaracterizing the expression's link with their alignment, and making it a null standard. While reading both scum games, especially 1974 (which has more content), I noticed that their behavior is much more centered and neutral, with semi-premeditated lines and placements, as they maintain their posture and education. Something that is opposite to the extroverted and more incisive stance seen in the three games as town, where the "fear" is much less, with bolder premises and sporadically genuine acts. In this game, precisely in the posts post 68 and 79, I notice, respectively, a very premature consideration, without the development of a justification (guts), and a spontaneously early reaction, with no previous communication channel. Both examples seem to agree with their town pattern, as well as the suggestively emotional error (rush / lack of attention) in the transition between posts 112 and 113, and in the SR statement in post 119, which was done without structuring of a table of previous reads (something I noted in their scum pattern).

Well, wouldn't "premature considerations without the development of a justification" be considered a scummy act? It's something I've seen either bad town or mafia do.
Pulling arguments out of nowhere and not providing explanations for them isn't good for town.
In addition, I don't quite get your argument about JV not making a table of reads. Why does not making one make Jackson look towny?
Like, even though it may fit their scum pattern, doesn't gameplay depend more on situation than trying to match meta?
Like, I'm just very used to seeing a table of reads as NAI since people just do it when they have time.

[GeneralWu]

I have scum-reads on GeneralWu and Kappa

I understand suspecting PKP because of the random clidd vote and saying it's weird not to vote, but why GW?

Overly serious, pings me as someone who wants to act like they're trying to solve the game when they're not.

Eh not as strong a read as Kappa but it's what I see aorn

so how am i "acting like i'm trying to solve the game when i'm not"?
Also how is being serious a bad thing?

This is why sometimes in the right context being serious is scummy, Straight from the wiki:

It's the so-called LAMIST - (Look At ME Im So Town!) tell and it's still relevant enough to have its own acronym! Newbscum usually are very concerned with 'looking good' to avoid falling under suspicion, but don't know how to fake-scumhunt. Instead, they will do things like pushing the lurkers to contribute, trying to "resuscitate" them by voting them, asking for reads on themselves, talking a lot about the game itself (this is called IIoA), claiming they are doing anything in their power to get information.

Your post fits the LAMIST tell in my eyes, therefore i think you are scummy

uhh if I remember correctly jackson was the one who thought I was being overly serious
Also how am I "pushing the lurkers to contribute"? Did I even say anything that was to push a lurker to say something?
In addition, I how have I "tried to 'resuscitate'" any lurkers by voting them? I never voted a lurker this whole game.
I may have asked for

reasons

for reads on myself, since no one can say "I think so and so is towny" or "I think so and so is scummy" and expect us to agree with him if he doesn't provide some good reasons.
I also didn't ask for the reads themselves.
And where am I "talking a lot about the game itself"?

seriously wtmoo where did this random accusation come from?
I'll have to take a closer look at 72offsuit's posts since they're striking me as weird.

[GeneralWu]

Given the lack of posting, what are people's stance on the policy Lynch All Lurkers?

I disagree
I don't think we even know

who

the lurkers even are.
The game's just started, and after stuff happens there will definitely be fewer lurkers.
After all, someone could post only a little during the start of the game but post a lot later in the game. Like, clidd posted nothing till he got prodded, and now he's making a normal quantity of posts.
Similarly, someone could post a lot during the early stages of the game but end up lurking for the rest of the game.

Even determining

who

is a lurker requires time to pass.

[GeneralWu]

This is L-1.

what the actual moo are you guys doing
why are you putting someone at L-1 when less than half the day has passed

[GeneralWu]

I'm not saying tthat you have DONE EVERY SINGLE ITEM in that DEFINITION of LAMIST.
I was answering your question as to why being serious is scummy.

Then have I done

anything

in the definition of LAMIST? Didn't think so. :O

[GeneralWu]

This post of GW's gives me bad vibes.
I think it is scummy.
He goes at length talking about night kill speculation, yet doesn't come to any conclusion really whatsoever, in what way that speculation relates to any particular players alignment.
Thus the lack of analysis.
Thus the post is IIoA - Information instead of Analysis
Thus it is scummy.
Posting for the sake of posting.
It is posting without adding any real content to catch scum.

Regarding the night kills it's clidd who first started talking about OS being killed. I just wanted to question it with an example from my own experience.

[GeneralWu]

If I'm absolutely sure, I don't hesitate to hammer a lurker. I've done this a lot in the past.

Why would you hammer a lurker this quick?
There's more than half the day left, why would you be so eager to hammer a player?
This sounds like an excuse to quickly lynch someone and end the day as soon as possible tbh.

[GeneralWu]

72offsuit and clidd are both looking pretty scummy right now.

[GeneralWu]

i'm pretty out of time right now so i'll post some more stuff tomorrow

[GeneralWu]

I'm very bored and I actually don't care anymore if he turns up scum or townie, or whatever I might look after this, so I'm actually hammering him.

VOTE: Phi Kappa Phi

Reason: I'm jealous of his Phi profile picture.

This sounds like some lazy excuse for scum to quickly hammer a townie after seeing that the townie was at L-1。

As I said before, I believe lurkers aren't inherently scummy during the first day. And in your case, I thought it was a matter of real life constraints, since the game master was speaking about grabbing a substitute for you. Hence wanting to wait to see if you appeared, instead of trying to lynch someone that hadn't posted yet, for no other reasons. Inactivity is a good indicator of how scummy someone is, if you're trying not to get noticed by others, but in this case nobody thought of that because of it being the first day and what I already said. If later on, someone were to try to post small messages with no real substance and try to disappear for as long as they could, I'd agree with wanting to pressure them or vote them, but I was talking about the game state as of right now.

This quote from earlier is pretty much a direct contradiction to that hammer post.

VOTE: Maduisha

[GeneralWu]

Dang guys you posted like 99999999999 posts while I was gone

I was writing an (evil) essay but now that I'm done I'll hopefully be able to post more (assuming I don't get any more crazy assignments for now)

[GeneralWu]

Where is the contradiction? I didn't hammer PKP for being a lurker, I hammered them because I was bored at the game state, and I said so very clearly by giving a stupid motive for it in my post. I did not care about how did others want to play it out, so I understand being upset at what I did, but why is it scummy? Why would mafia people hammer recklessly on day 1 if they can get townies to fight each other?

I do not like you.
(But I like that you voted for me.)

you saying "I hammered because I was bored at the gamestate" sounds pretty much like a mafia attempting to find some random excuse to quickly hammer a townie and get it over with.
You realize that the longer the day, the more time there is for discussion, and the better the chances are of finding an actual mafia, right? By quickly hammering you are not only hanging a person who could be a townie, but you're also reducing the time for discussion, which is not beneficial for town.

While the first day might be kind of slow, it's still possible for town to discuss and get clues on who's the mafia. The first day isn't for quickly hammering someone because you're supposedly "bored".

[GeneralWu]

Hammering someone who you think might be a potential town, being of green alignment, isn't playing against your own winning conditions ?

EXACTLY

[GeneralWu]

I'm very bored and I actually don't care anymore if he turns up scum or townie, or whatever I might look after this, so I'm actually hammering him.

VOTE: Phi Kappa Phi

Reason: I'm jealous of his Phi profile picture.

Hammering someone who you think might be a potential town, being of green alignment,

isn't playing against your own winning conditions

?

Wait, no, I take that back, I won't ignore this bit of it.

Yes, I knew the chances of hammering town was high, and I still did it anyway. Why? Because night phase gives information out when people die, and that's more fun to play with than the random specualtion of day 1, so I decided to make it more

fun

by ending day 1. I mean, I found PKP suspicious, but that was not the reason why I voted the way I did. Masons are the most boring out of all town related roles, I have to say, so I'm slightly disappointed with what we found out with the night kill, but now people have actual reasons to suspect others

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there's more tension when voting because there are two townies down.

Isn't it electrifying?

Night phases aren't the only phases that give out information.
Honestly you probably get more information from day phases than night phases.

Also masons aren't that boring. The only other mason game I've played before was a long time ago on a different website, and it was actually pretty fun.
While investigative/protective roles are probably the most powerful ones, it's not like mafia doesn't have more powerful roles to complement that when a setup with a powerful town power role is selected.

This is my opinion but I feel like mountainous setups (or setups that are close to mountainous) are probably the most fun ones to play. I've played like those bizarre setups where 90% of the people are power roles, and it's actually not that fun, to be honest.

Setup Info

Newbie Setup

Newbie Setup

NewD3 (as designed by RadiantCowbells):

	A	B	C
Mafia	Mafia Roleblocker	Mafia Rolecop	Mafia Goon
Row 1	Town Cop and Town Doctor	Town Tracker and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2	Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker	Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3	Town Mason and Town Mason	Town Tracker and Town Doctor	Town Mason and Town Mason

Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role. The remaining six roles will be filled in by

one mafia goon

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five vanilla townies

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2-mafia

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7-town

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All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.

Mafia Roleblocker

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Town Jailkeeper

action should that apply.

Mafia are able to communicate in their Private Topic at all times.

Spoiler: Full Setups

Column A & Row 1:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 2:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 3:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 1:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 2:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 3:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column C & Row 1:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Cop, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 2:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Jailkeeper, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 3:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

Mods should use the sample role PMs below.

Sample Role PM's (click on the spoiler button to reveal)

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Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

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You have no special abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Jailkeeper

Welcome!

You are a

Town Jailkeeper

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Cop

Welcome!

You are a

Town Cop

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You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Town

or

Mafia

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You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Mason

Welcome!

You are a

Town Mason

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You know that [player] is Town-aligned. You also share a Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You have no active abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Town Tracker

Welcome!

You are a

Town Tracker

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You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they targeted with their action, if any. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Doctor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Doctor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Friendly Neighbor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Friendly Neighbor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be sent a message informing them that you are Town-aligned.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia Goon

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Rolecop

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Rolecop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

and

Mafia Goons

will both return "Vanilla". If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a role cop in the same night phase. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Roleblocker

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Roleblocker

.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a roleblock in the same night phase. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

[GeneralWu]

Just to be clear:

I'm not voting on you because I believe in other possibilities that would consider your innocence. But, I confess that you are leaving me in a difficult position to judge.

tbh this post (and a few other ones from clidd) make me feel like if maduisha is a wolf, he'd also be one.
clidd gives me this feeling that he's trying to shield maduisha by letting her newbcard and stuff.

[GeneralWu]

Now, changing the subject: who is the second

mason

among us ?

72offsuit
Maduisha
GeneralWu
OldMapleNostalgia
ceejayvinoya (SE)
JacksonVirgo (SE)

At this point, the chance of fake claims has passed. There is no point in continuing to keep your identity hidden.

not me. I'm a

Vanilla Townie

Also I agree that at this point the last mason should probably claim by now, since the mason role doesn't really do anything without the second mason.

btw why do you always post with colors? While it might make the game a bit easier to read, isn't it kind of slow?

[GeneralWu]

So just some quick thoughts from me, while I have the time in between midterms. Sorry, I won't be able to format well because this is off my phone.

Maduisha:
Phi was giving off scum vibes to me, mainly because he ignored people calling him out for his overall strange behavior to the game. With that said, Madu hammered WAY too early on Phi, AND her reasoning as to hammering him is just complete garbage. Being bored with the game does not justify hammering someone that hasn't had a chance to respond at L-1. She took the opportunity to move on to the next day and ran with it. Bad hammers are a thing, but this was an ABSOLUTE SCUM PLAY in my eyes. VOTE: Maduisha

I agree with this.

OS:
It was obvious to me that he was town. I am sure many people didn't like his entry to the game; however, as pointed out by Clidd, it was consistent with his other games. Him being open on playing his alt is also indicative of having nothing to hide. If he was scum, hiding his alt may have subconsciously played into his behavior. I don't see how people thought he was LOCK-scum at all.

Yeah OS was pretty towny.
Although if I remember correctly, he claimed being an alt on his other account that he played a different game with, so the fact that he was an alt was already out there before this game started.

[GeneralWu]

Just to be clear:

I'm not voting on you because I believe in other possibilities that would consider your innocence. But, I confess that you are leaving me in a difficult position to judge.

tbh this post (and a few other ones from clidd) make me feel like if maduisha is a wolf, he'd also be one.
clidd gives me this feeling that he's trying to shield maduisha by letting her newbcard and stuff.

Hum, no.

Scum!clidd

is much more discreet. I'm just considering that she can be town because of past experiences (of players with similar behavior who were

towns

and were misslynched).

well have you considered the fact that people who do what maduisha did are more likely to be scum? even though some people who have done that may have been town, it doesn't mean everyone who does that is town.

[GeneralWu]

Mason dying is unfortunate but at least confirms the setup

not quite, the setup could either have 2 mafia goons or a mafia goon and a mafia roleblocker.
although the roleblocker's power would do nothing if there is one in the game.

[GeneralWu]

Just to be clear:

I'm not voting on you because I believe in other possibilities that would consider your innocence. But, I confess that you are leaving me in a difficult position to judge.

tbh this post (and a few other ones from clidd) make me feel like if maduisha is a wolf, he'd also be one.
clidd gives me this feeling that he's trying to shield maduisha by letting her newbcard and stuff.

Hum, no.

Scum!clidd

is much more discreet. I'm just considering that she can be town because of past experiences (of players with similar behavior who were

towns

and were misslynched).

well have you considered the fact that people who do what maduisha did are more likely to be scum? even though some people who have done that may have been town, it doesn't mean everyone who does that is town.

Experienced players, perhaps.

Newb!Scum

, no. If you have a statistical basis (completed matches) to support your argument, I will take back what I said.

why would experienced players do that
I mean if you have someone who's good at the game with a first timer scumbuddy, the pro guy might instruct his scumbuddy to do that.
I feel like newer players are more likely to do that kind of quick hang, since they're able to newbcard and have a higher chance of getting away with it.

[GeneralWu]

So, if you're truly

town

, GeneralWu,

ceejay

+

72offsuit

make sense to you ?

why do you think 72offsuit and ceejay are mafia

[GeneralWu]

Mason dying is unfortunate but at least confirms the setup

not quite, the setup could either have 2 mafia goons or a mafia goon and a mafia roleblocker.
although the roleblocker's power would do nothing if there is one in the game.

Roleblocker is essentially a Goon in this setup

yeah cuz there's two masons who have no night actions and so the roleblocker doesn't have anyone to block.

[GeneralWu]

So, if you're truly

town

, GeneralWu,

ceejay

+

72offsuit

make sense to you ?

why do you think 72offsuit and ceejay are mafia

He doesn't

then why did he ask me that question

[GeneralWu]

Vote Count 2.6

72offsuit (3) ~

clidd, JacksonVirgo, ceejayvinoya,

Maduisha (2) ~

GeneralWu, OldMapleNostalgia,

OldMapleNostalgia (1) ~

Maduisha,

GeneralWu (1) ~

72offsuit,

Not voting (0) ~

With 7 alive it's 4 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2020-03-04 07:38:13)

V/LA: none

and why does he have his vote on 72offsuit

[GeneralWu]

Hum, it's possible, but unlikely. Maduisha's behavior was extremely suspicious and would cause her to be lynched immediately. I don't see where that would bring an advantage to her partner (i was the first to TR her, so their strategy didn't work, obviously)

what I'm saying is the newbie player could say "oh I didn't know we weren't supposed to do that since this is like my first game of mafia" and somehow manage to get away with it.
If the pro player did something as reckless as that, he would probably be lynched immediately. But the new player who is just starting to play mafia can argue that he doesn't know it's bad for town.

[GeneralWu]

Vote Count 2.6

72offsuit (3) ~

clidd, JacksonVirgo, ceejayvinoya,

Maduisha (2) ~

GeneralWu, OldMapleNostalgia,

OldMapleNostalgia (1) ~

Maduisha,

GeneralWu (1) ~

72offsuit,

Not voting (0) ~

With 7 alive it's 4 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2020-03-04 07:38:13)

V/LA: none

and why does he have his vote on 72offsuit

Have you read the thread?

you guys posted like 10 pages worth of posts while I wasn't here so I'm still quickly reading through stuff
but now that you guys are online i'm busy responding to your posts and not catching up lol

[GeneralWu]

This type of strategy would only work if everyone had a flexible mindset like mine. Evidently, most were initially in favor of Maduisha's lynch. Since day 1 it was already possible to deduce that this type of approach would rarely work in this type of game, given the playerlist.

uh actually if you look at maduisha's posts you can see that there's a pretty good chance she's mafia and she quickly found a random reason to hang phi after phi was placed at L-1.
Look at her ISO, especially the part around where she hammered phi. Her transition in attitude was pretty sudden and didn't seem natural. She doesn't seem like a newbie townie who made an honest mistake.

[GeneralWu]

oh my you guys are posting so much it's hard for me to catch up with stuff since every time I make a post someone else makes a post responding to one of mine

i'm gonna go back and read the older posts now so if you post something i might not be able to answer it right away

[GeneralWu]

Spoiler:

So just some quick thoughts from me, while I have the time in between midterms. Sorry, I won't be able to format well because this is off my phone.

Maduisha:
Phi was giving off scum vibes to me, mainly because he ignored people calling him out for his overall strange behavior to the game. With that said, Madu hammered WAY too early on Phi, AND her reasoning as to hammering him is just complete garbage. Being bored with the game does not justify hammering someone that hasn't had a chance to respond at L-1. She took the opportunity to move on to the next day and ran with it. Bad hammers are a thing, but this was an ABSOLUTE SCUM PLAY in my eyes. VOTE: Maduisha

OS:
It was obvious to me that he was town. I am sure many people didn't like his entry to the game; however, as pointed out by Clidd, it was consistent with his other games. Him being open on playing his alt is also indicative of having nothing to hide. If he was scum, hiding his alt may have subconsciously played into his behavior. I don't see how people thought he was LOCK-scum at all.

Clidd:
You wrote in your wall that it was strange that I wanted to maintain neutrality while still pointing out someone's strange behavior. I mostly agree, but I can attribute that to getting a read on how the meta of the game itself would play out. So I'll start pushing. How can you conclude that the mafia team is not consisted of two newbies? They just need to recognize that OS was the best player in this game, which is something that you acknowledged in your wall. Is it too far of a jump for mafia newbies to recognize that he is a good kill when you literally told them that it was? You point this out again at the start of the day that, why are you adamant in letting people know that OS was lock-town in your eyes? I don’t like this behavior, fos on you

These posts of maple don't feel very genuine to me

why don't they feel very genuine to you?

[GeneralWu]

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whoa why
i'm not the mason lol

[GeneralWu]

OS:
It was obvious to me that he was town. I am sure many people didn't like his entry to the game; however, as pointed out by Clidd, it was consistent with his other games. Him being open on playing his alt is also indicative of having nothing to hide. If he was scum, hiding his alt may have subconsciously played into his behavior. I don't see how people thought he was LOCK-scum at all.

Lol... How was he obv town?

He was Null as.

You saying he was obv town is scummy as

I explained using meta why he was lock-town, i doub you didn't understand that.

just happened to see this post so I might as well say something about it
meta isn't that useful without something else to complement it. I know from past experience that meta shouldn't be the sole reason someone is towny/scummy. (although I do feel like meta is more useful for defense than attack).

I remember getting hanged day 1 in my second game of forum mafia simply for "not following town meta" and I was town. It was quite frustrating. The people who voted me were also mostly townies.
The way I look at it, people play differently depending on the situation.

[GeneralWu]

also guys i've been reading the thread at countdown round speed so i should be caught up pretty soon
(in case you guys don't know what countdown round is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathcounts)

[GeneralWu]

i'm gonna do an ISO on 72offsuit later cuz he needs to be looked at

[GeneralWu]

i'm gonna do an ISO on 72offsuit later cuz he needs to be looked at

I'm like out of time to do one right now

[GeneralWu]

i'm gonna do an ISO on 72offsuit later cuz he needs to be looked at

No need, just vote them

No cuz that's dumb. We already saw what it was like to end the day super quickly on day 1.
While I do kind of find something weird with 72offsuit I'll have to take a closer look.
I'm in favor of a maduisha hang right now.

Also guys I'm being serious don't hammer this quickly. I swear if we repeat that phi incident we're gonna be doing scum a great favor.

[GeneralWu]

i'm gonna do an ISO on 72offsuit later cuz he needs to be looked at

No need, just vote them

No cuz that's dumb. We already saw what it was like to end the day super quickly on day 1.
While I do kind of find something weird with 72offsuit I'll have to take a closer look.
I'm in favor of a maduisha hang right now.

Also guys I'm being serious don't hammer this quickly. I swear if we repeat that phi incident we're gonna be doing scum a great favor.

He's literally confirmed scum at this point. Vote him or we will switch onto you, of course it doesn't matter right because you're both scum

wtmoo how come

[GeneralWu]

i'm gonna do an ISO on 72offsuit later cuz he needs to be looked at

No need, just vote them

No cuz that's dumb. We already saw what it was like to end the day super quickly on day 1.
While I do kind of find something weird with 72offsuit I'll have to take a closer look.
I'm in favor of a maduisha hang right now.

Also guys I'm being serious don't hammer this quickly. I swear if we repeat that phi incident we're gonna be doing scum a great favor.

Who is scum to you, General Wu ? Maduisha ? why are you ignoring

72

all day 1 and 2 ?

Maduisha duh
I've been explaining why.
Her quick transition onto phi was not normal. Definitely not towny.
Also I wasn't ignoring him. More like he was just tunneling me since day 1 and not really giving good explanations as to why, and he wasn't intent on listening. I did say that his tunneling has been raising some red flags, though.

[GeneralWu]

OK guys it's getting kind of late right now and I probably won't be able to post again until tomorrow

btw wtmoo clidd isn't it like 3:47AM in Spain right now

[GeneralWu]

OK guys it's getting kind of late right now and I probably won't be able to post again until tomorrow

btw wtmoo clidd isn't it like 3:47AM in Spain right now

whoa guys I got post #555

[GeneralWu]

72offsuit

refused to be lynched, because we would know his partner by association. He could've get me lynched tomorrow (if im confirmed scum in his pov).

Well duh nobody refuses to be lynched.
clidd you're not giving me towny vibes by making that post

OK for real I have to go now

[GeneralWu]

72offsuit

refused to be lynched, because we would know his partner by association. He could've get me lynched tomorrow (if im confirmed scum in his pov).

Well duh nobody refuses to be lynched.
clidd you're not giving me towny vibes by making that post

OK for real I have to go now

*nobody wants to be lynched

[GeneralWu]

wtmoo

[GeneralWu]

JV tunneled 72 really hard yesterday and now he turns onto me

It seems to me like he's been using clidd to first push that hang on 72, then turn onto me.

The only thing JV has against me is his "own post from eod" which seemed to me like it was prepared ahead of time.

[GeneralWu]

72 had clidd as confirmed scum in his mind and GW as a side and when I called that out, he pushed me and clidd to the side and full scum-read GW.

Because they think that if GW gets lynched they'd be town-read for 'being right' where if they're lynched they think GW will be cleared because 'scum was scum-reading me I am clean'

This game is essentially solved once 72 gets lynched regardless of their flip, even though they're going to flip scum.

Ok. So when i flip green, who is scum. From your POV JV?

You won't, and you seem to miss that two SE's seem to have come to the same logic meaning if one is scum, both is. And since I am not scum, then the result would be GW/Ceejay which won't even be a thing because you're scum.

This is the post that I think is prepared ahead of time.

It feels like it was made so that JV would have someone to push today.

If you picture it, clidd is like a wave, and JV is riding that wave. JV kind of used clidd to push that hang on 72.

[GeneralWu]

Also I took a look at JV's ISO from the previous day and I couldn't find stuff that actually explained why I was mafia.
JV just sheeped clidd yesterday.
Now he wants me hanged simply because he "said something about me at eod". And I didn't find an explanation as to why I'm mafia, aside from the fact that "if 72 isn't mafia then the mafia is GW and ceejay", which doesn't explain why either.
this is scummy.

[GeneralWu]

As for my intent now, it's to vote GW. The reason is that I thought before that if 72 flipped green, GW is probably red, since the main reason people voted him (I think?) is that his behavior looked like he was tunneling on his partner, but that turned out not to be the case, so I want to believe 72's hunch held some water, since he was adamant about it for two days.

That's not how it works. A confirmed town could tunnel someone for no reason for the entire game and still be wrong about it. While we do know confirmed towns aren't trying to benefit the mafia with the things they say, they could still be wrong.
In other words, you can't believe every word a confirmed town says simply because he's a confirmed town. A confirmed town could also be wrong.

And plus, your reasoning here is that if 72 flips red, I'm mafia, and if he flips green, I'm still mafia. You should probably stop tunneling.

[GeneralWu]

So, yeah... my scumreads are GW and ceejay. I won't cast a vote right away, because I want people to speak their minds too, but that's how I see it.

I only trust JV out of a hunch, which is dangerous, but I'm more eager to trust someone that answered Mapple's question prior to the lynching of 72.

Scum is General and Ceejay as I said in my previous post from EoD.
I doubt it's Mad like I'm completely against their lynch

I feel like JV and maduisha could be w/w. If not, at least one of the two is a wolf.
Since maduisha just follows what JV says
And JV vehemently opposes the hanging of maduisha despite her being quite scummy with that quick hammer on phi.

[GeneralWu]

Well fuck. Okay. It's probably genwu and I don't know who the other guy is

why do you think it's me
why don't you give some reasons
i feel like all you've been doing this entire game is just showing up at random times to make a couple short posts and you haven't really done much to help out

[GeneralWu]

ok so now that everyone except OMN has checked the thread since maduisha made that vote, we now know that at least one of maduisha/ceejay is a wolf, if not both.

Since if they're both town, the wolves would have hammered one of them by now.

[GeneralWu]

So mafia kept me alive for two reasons off the top of my head.
1. I had the wrong reads day 2 (madu scum, clidd/jv power duo scum) and want me to continue in that direction.
2. Clidd had the RIGHT reads, and he could narrow them down EVEN IF 72 flipped town.

In my experience there are other reasons why
One reason is you're not the actual mason. I had a game where someone was supposedly the "cop" but he didn't die. He was a mafia.
I don't really think this is the case in this game.

Another reason is that your reads were in the RIGHT direction, although mafia might think killing you would make it more obvious that those reads were right.

I don't really like spending too much time on the nightkill speculation, though, since what happens the majority of the time is that people end up going in circles and waste a bunch of time talking about something that ends up getting them nowhere.

[GeneralWu]

Well, that's it... I am voting for ceejay, I'm sorry if this ends poorly for us, but I think it's the best lead we can take at the moment, since I think he has the highest palpable suspicious behavior.

VOTE: ceejayvinoya

This reckless voting I don't like.
Maduisha did this day 1 and people just let her get away with it.
Honestly it's getting to the point where this isn't newbcarding anymore. This is scummy. While on the first day this could be looked at as an honest mistake by a newbie, doing it again is suspicious. It feels like maduisha is relying on the fact that she is a newbie to do things like this and get away with it.

[GeneralWu]

Also nobody here actually has a legitimate reason to scumread me, since most of the people who are scumreading me are either doing it for no reason or just sheeping clidd from yesterday. In addition, out of the people who scumread me, nobody's provided any bit of reasoning as to

why

they agree with clidd. Everyone's just saying "GW is scum" for no reason at all. If you think I'm scum,

why

do you say that? You can't just sit there and say someone is mafia and vote him for no reason and hope he actually turns out to be mafia.

Honestly I don't understand why like all of the attacks on me today have had zero reasoning to back them.

[GeneralWu]

Which begs the question, why do you suddenly not want a wagon on genwu, someone who you thought was scum earlier?

Which begs the question, why do

you

want a wagon on me, when you have like no reasons for it? Like, nearly everybody here is pushing me and not even giving good reasons for doing so.

Honestly guys, why are most of you just sheeping clidd and not even giving a reason for why?

[GeneralWu]

I see maduisha's point of hanging one out of her/ceejay, although I do have to point out that if some other than maduisha/ceejay were acting very obviously scummy, we could hang that player instead of maduisha or ceejay. Sometimes it's easier to hang someone else first if it's super obvious he's mafia.

[GeneralWu]

I see maduisha's point of hanging one out of her/ceejay, although I do have to point out that if some other than maduisha/ceejay were acting very obviously scummy, we could hang that player instead of maduisha or ceejay. Sometimes it's easier to hang someone else first if it's super obvious he's mafia.

OH YEAH I GOT POST #666

[GeneralWu]

Madu/JV team isn't out of the question either, given how JV refuses to vote her. I think GW/CJ is not a scum team, so I would like to hear what his scenarios for scum would be.

I agree that maduisha/jv has a possibility of being the mafia team.
In fact, right now I do think they could very likely be the mafia team.

JV vehemently opposes hanging maduisha despite maduisha doing some things that are quite scummy, at least how I look at it.
Basically, maduisha hammered early on day 1, and JV let her get away with it.
Maduisha also voted early today, which is pretty much a repeat of the same mistake she made day 1. If maduisha and ceejay were both townies, that would have been enough to lose the game.
Yet, all JV says about this is "you're voting early in lylo?"
If maduisha had truly made an unintentional mistake day 1, I don't think she would have taken the risk today.

Well, that's it... I am voting for ceejay, I'm sorry if this ends poorly for us, but I think it's the best lead we can take at the moment, since I think he has the highest palpable suspicious behavior.

VOTE: ceejayvinoya

I mean, this above post is pretty much the exact same thing maduisha said day 1 after voting phi.
"oh i'm sorry if this doesn't turn out well, but I'm just gonna throw this random vote and hope i hit a mafia"
It's honestly kind of suspicious how maduisha made the same mistake twice and JV is just sitting there letting it all happen.

[GeneralWu]

Idk, this game feels dead, I'll hammer in 15 minutes, even if CJ doesn't get back.

Don't do that
we still have like half the day left
I haven't really read any of the more recent posts yet cuz I'm short on time right now but I'd like to point out that unless cj is 100% proven to be mafia it's generally a bad idea to hammer a player when there's still plenty of time left.

We've already seen what happened earlier in this game when people hammer too early.

[GeneralWu]

Idk, this game feels dead, I'll hammer in 15 minutes, even if CJ doesn't get back.

Holy batman look at the commas.

My English teacher would not be pleased.
(Although in Chinese run on sentences are ok sometimes)

Also I should have more time to play this game either later today or tomorrow. I haven't read all of the posts yet, but I just think that considering what happened on previous days with people hammering early, it's probably better to avoid hammering when there's still plenty of time left in the day.

[GeneralWu]

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

Maduisha is pretty much cleared at this point. I highly doubt she's mafia bussing ceejay, although if she were, that would've been a pretty geniosity move. I honestly don't see any chance of that happening though.

Also I'm like 99.999999999% sure JV is the last mafia since during the last day phase he scumread me the entire time and didn't explain why. I don't think he's provided explanations the day before, either.

To summarize, during day 3 he pushed me with zero explanation. He only said things like "we all scumread GW so let's vote him".

Moreover, at the last second on day 2, he said that "if 72offsuit isn't mafia then the mafia has to be GW". He also provided no explanation.

Earlier in day 2, he just basically sheeped clidd and tunneled 72offsuit.
He just agreed with clidd's wrong read and pushed a lynch on 72offsuit. Then at the end of the day, he said that "if 72offsuit isn't mafia i'll push clidd hard the next day".
Honestly that seems like it was planned as an attempt to hit two birds with one stone.

[GeneralWu]

72offsuit

refused to be lynched, because we would know his partner by association. He could've get me lynched tomorrow (if im confirmed scum in his pov).

Well duh nobody refuses to be lynched.
clidd you're not giving me towny vibes by making that post

OK for real I have to go now

*nobody wants to be lynched

Self-lynching in this scenario is +ev for town because then the poe would be narrowed even further and it's not even LyLo yet. Yet they're not because they know they're scum and it would doom both scums

I really don't see how someone who makes posts like these could be considered towny.
This post is basically the equivalent of saying "we're not at lylo yet, so we can just have a townie die and still be okay".
Which is not okay, because every townie that dies brings the mafia closer to victory.
While that does decrease the number of people left, meaning there are fewer people for the mafia to blend in with, it's just not beneficial to town.

Let's suppose you have a game with 5 players: 3 town and 2 mafia. There are fewer people, but a game like this would heavily favor the mafia team.

[GeneralWu]

My town plays aren't like my mafia plays, check my previous games. I suck at faking my town meta as Mafia and didn't even know about it to begin with. Clidd cleared me because of it and yet nobody sees that. Clidd had the same reads as me yet mine are scummy.

Do what ya want

You even said that you would push clidd if 72 flipped green.

Also relying solely on meta is a bad idea because things change from game to game. For instance, I play differently from game to game regardless of alignment, because there are different situations for different games.
I feel like most of the time meta can't be the only reason that someone is "clear".

Just saying, people probably aren't going to take the time to read your past games just so they can compare your play in this game to those of your other games. In addition, reading past games you've never played in is often an inaccurate way to judge a player.

[GeneralWu]

So, I have already exposed why I suspect JV the most. I was waiting to see if they'd post more reasons why GWu is mafia, but that didn't happen...

I decided to look at all of GWu's posts, and I found a good amount of posts in which he quoted someone and said "I agree", so maybe Ceejay wasn't lying completely, after all.

True but what's wrong with agreeing
Like if someone makes a good post why would I disagree with it?
Also usually I try to provide a reason for why I agree with a particular post.
Agreeing isn't a waste of time by the way, since it actually helps progress the game.

While ceejay might not be lying about me agreeing with people, him using that to push me was bad, because there is nothing wrong with agreeing with people. If nobody in the game agreed on anything, lynches would be impossible.

[GeneralWu]

I mean sometimes I feel like there's really nothing to explain so I just post "I agree'. Like, if I explain I'll end up posting the exact same thing as the post I quoted.

For those posts where I "agreed and moved over to something else", I had two posts quoted, so the first line was responding to the first quote, and the second line was responding to the second quote.

It's not fluff since it doesn't detract from the game.
Plus it's not like the only thing I've done was pop in once in a while to say "I agree".

[GeneralWu]

Mason dying is unfortunate but at least confirms the setup

not quite, the setup could either have 2 mafia goons or a mafia goon and a mafia roleblocker.
although the roleblocker's power would do nothing if there is one in the game.

Roleblocker is essentially a Goon in this setup

yeah cuz there's two masons who have no night actions and so the roleblocker doesn't have anyone to block.

Both GWu posts here feel a bit like redundancy and fluff, but maybe I'm looking for any stupid detail now.

True, occasionally I did say a few things that weren't really that important.
But I have a habit of posting comments towards things in the game.
Moreover I just wanted to point out something interesting in the game. I never intended to let fluff posts take over the thread, and my fluff posts never

did

take over the thread. I just made one comment and never mentioned it again for the rest of the game, which is not the same as spamming the entire thread with useless posts that waste everybody's time.

Also, I've only made like a couple of posts like the ones you mentioned throughout the course of the entire game. I wasn't wasting everybody's time with fluff posts. Like, the vast majority of my posts are ones that actually help progress the game.

Plus I'm sure everybody occasionally posts fluff, and as long as they don't make a big deal out of it, it doesn't hinder the game.

[GeneralWu]

As we all know, Ceejay doesn't have many posts in the thread... so I decided to check his too to see if there's any kind of weird interaction...

Obvscum might also be town

reasons?
I also think obvscum is towny but I'd like to hear your reasons first

Sure

His overall pleasant "trying to get the game going" vibes

yeah I think so too
His tone is towny and he seems to try and get stuff moving

There's this exchange with you during RVS which is what I think ticked 72 off, which I don't know what to think about, since early game feels so weird to me...

@genwu nothing to say about offsuit?

And this one post in which he addresses you directly, which I don't know if it's just him trying to look town by asking people around for their opinion on 72 during the second day, but note that he only did this with you. So, I'm a bit hesitant, because it could also be some attempt at mafia theatre, by trying to build up some "suspicion" posts to bus you later if needed (if you were his partner). While I don't think the mafia was at a disadvantageous state at the start of day 3 at all, he might have thought sacrificing you was needed because other people were claiming SR on you, and he didn't want to stand out by protecting you. So, that would explain that attempt to get you lynched...

I don't really know why 72 just kept on tunneling me for the majority of the time he was in the game.

Also don't you think that the "buildup of suspicion" ceejay did was pretty similar to what JV did?
So like ceejay makes these posts so he could prepare to push me later in the game.
JV makes his post from the end of day 2 so he can get the opportunity to push me the next day.

[GeneralWu]

wait aren't towny and townie different
towny=seems like someone is aligned with the town
townie=the role Vanilla Townie

Anyways:

- Early interaction with Ceejay feels weird. The question "why do you think I'm townie" makes me think there's some intent to establish self as townie quickly if his other read was correct too.

I ask this question almost every time someone says "I think [player] is towny" or "I think [player] is scummy".
If someone doesn't provide a reason for why someone is towny (even if that player is myself), I still want to know why.
Because it's really a bad idea to just go around saying people are towny without giving reasons.

Also, finding out why people think I'm towny is a good idea, because I get to see that person's train of thought.

- Some fluff posts here and there that I kind of feel are thought to pad the conversation and feel like he's still there (like the two talking about the mafia roles in the layout, the agreement posts...), although he does have more substancial posts as well.

I'm not trying to pad the conversation.
If you look at the posts about the mafia roles, they were not made at a time when I was saying nothing else.
I made many other posts at around the same time I made those posts, and those other posts were not fluff.
So it's not like I came in just to say a couple things about the mafia roles and leave. I just added those two posts in when I was posting about other stuff.

Also agreeing isn't fluff if you're not solely agreeing with people. Basically, you're not showing up once in a while to quote some random post and agree with it.

[GeneralWu]

FUCK I GOT SNIPED

[GeneralWu]

I'm so upset right now
I'm as angry as the angry german kid >:(

[GeneralWu]

noooooooooooooooooo whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[GeneralWu]

this is not fair i request a rerand

[GeneralWu]

I see we have a few newly-registered players in this game.

What is everyone's prior experience in playing mafia (forum mafia or otherwise)?
Do you prefer playing as town or scum?

This is my 3rd game of forum mafia. I have also previously played browser-based mafia (epicmafia) and enjoy hidden identity board games
I prefer to play as town. I enjoy solving/deducing who is who in the zoo. I find being mafia can be stressful.

I've played like 12 games on mafiauniverse and artofproblemsolving.com and I have a

100% win rate as mafia

:O

DAMN IT I LOST MY STREAK

[GeneralWu]

Lol no F bombs please.

lol yes f bombs please

[GeneralWu]

I see we have a few newly-registered players in this game.

What is everyone's prior experience in playing mafia (forum mafia or otherwise)?
Do you prefer playing as town or scum?

This is my 3rd game of forum mafia. I have also previously played browser-based mafia (epicmafia) and enjoy hidden identity board games
I prefer to play as town. I enjoy solving/deducing who is who in the zoo. I find being mafia can be stressful.

I've played like 12 games on mafiauniverse and artofproblemsolving.com and I have a

100% win rate as mafia

:O

DAMN IT I LOST MY STREAK

Oof

you know what I might as well make a new account and pretend this game never existed

[GeneralWu]

yeah but
that 100% win streak meant a lot to me

[GeneralWu]

if i had posted my post like 6 minutes earlier maybe maduisha wouldn't have hammered

[GeneralWu]

if i had posted my post like 6 minutes earlier maybe maduisha wouldn't have hammered

Lol no F bombs please.

lol yes f bombs please

I'm joking, I'm not your mom (I think).

if you are that would be cheating
my mom distracted me from posting that post
i would have posted it like 20 minutes ago if it weren't for her

[GeneralWu]

also gg

[GeneralWu]

dang i should have killed maduisha last night

[GeneralWu]

oh hey obviousscum
what were they saying in the dead chat

[GeneralWu]

dang i should have killed maduisha last night

Honestly was what I was expecting you to do

i chose OMN because if necessary I could turn on maduisha and say she was bussing ceejay

[GeneralWu]

this was definitely one of my worst wolf games ever

[GeneralWu]

I won my first wolf game despite almost being confirmed mafia because one of the town people cheated

[GeneralWu]

then i lost this one even though i was so close oops

[GeneralWu]

Also, see you guys in other games!
I'll join another game as soon as I have time to

[GeneralWu]

Can you guys explain why 72 is a better lynch than Madu, why doesn't anyone else think Madu is scum-lock? Sorry I wasn't fully following the thread.

I will hammer 72. Again, I have a very eery feeling about Clidd/JV power duo scum. 72 what is your scum pool.

VOTE: 72offsuit

So basically even if you're a confirmed town, you should still explain why you're hammering 72offsuit.

It's just a lot better for town if you give some explanations. Even though you're a confirmed town, giving your reasons is important, because that's how you get people to believe your argument.

[GeneralWu]

I feel like I did really badly this game.
The only reason I used to do good when I rolled mafia was because I repeatedly rolled town in the games before that.

This was my first game from like a 5 month break from mafia.
And I rolled scum this game so I couldn't easily put on a townie's disguise that easily.

[GeneralWu]

Thanks everyone for playing (or reading). I actually had a plan behind the lulhammer, which was to make sure I look suspicious, and wait and see if anyone tried to keep me alive during day 2 so they could use me as misdirection later on. It was poorly thought out, and I understand I should probably refrain from that next time, but it was fun to see the reactions, not gonna lie.

(Sorry, PKP and OS.)

wouldn't have worked anyways since if you were scum you would have hammered as soon as we voted each other.
you were clear either way.

[GeneralWu]

Exceptional performance, GeneralWu. It was a hemorrhagic pleasure to have you in the game.

lol thanks clidd

[GeneralWu]

I like to think that if it weren't for PoE logic, I would never find GeneralWu scummy. I am scared by the perfect emulation.

nah I was pretty scummy this game

[GeneralWu]

Injustice 2 was my first real fighting game I played consistently, and enjoyed, and while I can’t compare with anything else, I think it’s a great game for people who are new to the genre, just due to the sheer helpfulness of the tutorials.

O.O

O.O