Open 773: Masons and Mafia: RVS Awards (GAME OVER)

[Alduskkel]

i dont remember /in to this game what

yeah you /outed lol

VOTE: Homura
because rebellion was a mistake

VOTE: Chemist

this is my easy strat to clear myself as a VT is it working

i dunno can a goon shoot him to check please?

[Alduskkel]

feel free to dayvig yourself then

[Alduskkel]

does that make your mason partners the klick clique

[Alduskkel]

Hello everybody, my name is Y'shtola Rhul. I am here as an observer and a scholar to the art of mafia.

I will be on standby if needed.

actually you're here as a player so you should be scumhunting not standing by

unless you're scum in which case feel free to stand by until we get around to lynching you

[Alduskkel]

Klick why did you specifically ask Chemist (and not any other player) about his familiarity with the setup?

[Alduskkel]

no you should throw me into your town reads because we're mason partners

[Alduskkel]

I'm also more familiar with Chemist than the rest of this list.

So you're saying you two have chemistry?

[Alduskkel]

VOTE: TSE

I’m not buying your Auro town read. Anyone could have easily said what Auro said regardless of alignment.

Auro, in post 85 you defended TSE by saying you thought TSE was just memeing, but post 90 makes it clear that’s not the case. Does this change your read at all?

[Alduskkel]

i dont remember /in to this game what

yeah you /outed lol

VOTE: Homura
because rebellion was a mistake

VOTE: Chemist

this is my easy strat to clear myself as a VT is it working

i dunno can a goon shoot him to check please?

Scumpost.

y tho

I'm townreading Aethur and TSE.

who is Aethur?

Random sidenote: when I was a teen I read a book called Klick and that character gave me nightmares. I can only vaguely remember it now.

it'd be even spookier if it turned out that such a book ~never existed~

It was more the subtle encouragement of the wagon. His content in general seems empty.

Empty how?

VOTE: TSE

I’m not buying your Auro town read. Anyone could have easily said what Auro said regardless of alignment.

What'd you make of Auro saying it wa a valid reason to townread him?

Seems just a tad scummy, moreso if TSE later flips scum. If TSE flips scum then it looks like Auro is trying to poke at TSE to engage with Klick in a townier way.

Anyway, let me make it more simple.
I’m considering Auro an IC for Day 1.
On Day 2 I’ll re-evaluate him.
While his post can come from scum I’m letting it slide as Town for today.

Seriously? What if Auro started doing the scummiest shit ever? I'd almost think you're setting up for a potential pivot onto a Day 2 Auro vote.

also reminder to myself to reply to 138 after Klick replies to it

[Alduskkel]

well then it just sounds like you're townreading auro until it's convenient for you not to

[Alduskkel]

[Alduskkel]

I'd vote you if I weren't already voting you.

[Alduskkel]

cuz ur scummy

[Alduskkel]

Fwiw this was 100% a troll response, I don't have a read on Chem yet

this is what I expected klick to say

Like tl;dr I don't actually see klick sorting. I just see content for the sake of content. I've seen one town read on yshtola, one scumread on TSE who I'm pretty sure is town. Each of those reads is the only real content in his ISO.

eh, I feel like the stuff you quoted is more conversational rather than scum trying to make content for the sake of content.

Cheeky, can you quote some of TSE's posts that you think are out of his scumrange?

Skim this: link
And tell me he's not town here. I've played with both town!tse and scum!tse and the kinda non-chalantness and lack of tryharding is very much in line with his town meta.

ugh that is really different from here. plus, I'm getting reminded of town TSE during marathon weekend + me scumreading him for his playstyle rather than it being truly scum-indicative.

unvote

Additionally, I think explanations for votes are overrated and used far more often than warranted.

How do you ever convince people to lynch your scumreads then?

Mason mindgames are antitown

well that's exactly what a VT would say

This is a scummy post since it should be somewhat intuitive that a "hiding strategy" for masons is almost as dominant as active scumhunting from the symmetry of the setup.

well then by that logic shouldn't every player be trying to hide? VTs to look like masons, masons to avoid getting shot, scum to look town, etc.?

the fact that miss lynch's spelling of my name changes every time is kind of funny

I'll explain an Ask read when I'm ready.

[Alduskkel]

bruh you haven't even given reasons

and as for your question, it's more of a playstyle question about how you, as town, try to get your scumreads lynched if you're not into vote explanations
like what would you do if you wanted someone lynched but you were the only one voting them?

[Alduskkel]

well then what's the purpose of your vote on me?

[Alduskkel]

well then what's the purpose of your vote on me?

It's a serious question.
Look, I'm using proper grammar and punctuation. That's how serious I am.

[Alduskkel]

Egix, who do you scumread?

Auro, are you buddying me?

pedit: can I get in on this support group

[Alduskkel]

Auro, are you buddying me?

Yeah, is it working?

nah cuz I already know you're town cuz we're masons together

[Alduskkel]

VOTE: Egix

[Alduskkel]

so how do you plan on fixing that

[Alduskkel]

Kinda am not vibing with watching the mod nom a townie for an award for using verbal abuse to scumhunt and make the scum more readable and then turn around and respect a gag order about the event but that's just drunkpops

wait do you mean auro or is it a player not in this game?

[Alduskkel]

i was working under the impression that yshtola isn't an alt

[Alduskkel]

I feel like the stuff you quoted is more conversational rather than scum trying to make content for the sake of content.

What's the difference?

It reads more like NAI human conversation than scum filler.

[Alduskkel]

alduskkell you are getting precipitously close from jumping from null to DEFINITIONALLY TIED WITH MY OTHER TOWNREADS

better be, i mean we're masons after all

[Alduskkel]

Egix, who do you scumread?

Auro, are you buddying me?

pedit: can I get in on this support group

Auro/Aldu not SvS.

yeah but you already knew that since all 3 of us are masons

[Alduskkel]

you don't need to sort me, you know i'm town, it was in your role PM

not really sure what to say about the mario sun thing except it's slightly weird that you assumed I wasn't familiar with it

anyway who do you think is scum, pops?

[Alduskkel]

isn't it weird that miss lynch is attacking auro way more than the person she's voting for

[Alduskkel]

Well, what's your read on Auro?

[Alduskkel]

Telling you what response what result in what read defeats the purpose of asking the question.

[Alduskkel]

what response would result in what read*

[Alduskkel]

Just give me one. Please. I want one reason for one of your posts. One reason that the post is actually productive, and not just some reactionary question because you play the game on auto-pilot. Just give me one snippet that displays you've put even the slightest amount of thought into the questions you ask.

I'm starved for faith here, give me some reason to believe you're worth my time.

Can you tone down the hostility? It's fine if you think I'm scum, but please don't act like I'm brainless.

[Alduskkel]

If you don't care about Auro's stance on you or me, then why keep replying to him?

[Alduskkel]

I think the Alduskel vs. Miss Lynch interaction has an SvT look and I hope soberpops can sort which side when she is done chastising drunkpops's staying up late

nah we're both masons, this is an elaborate distancing tactic


pedit: D&D mafia?

[Alduskkel]

I'm too impulsive, rash, and I have a bit of a temper, even though I think the way that I play is generally pretty close to optimal.

[Alduskkel]

Miss Lynch, I think you should realize that you're increasing the toxicity of this game, and taking a step back might help.

[Alduskkel]

Yshtola, scumreads?

[Alduskkel]

is roleplaying really necessary

I can't tell if the 3 players you named are your townreads or scumreads

[Alduskkel]

is roleplaying really necessary

I can't tell if the 3 players you named are your townreads or scumreads

Do you have questions about any in particular?

What do you make of Auro vs Miss Lynch? Which one do you agree with more?

[Alduskkel]

Miss Lynch can go either way, I mainly don't like the overreactions to being questioned without being confronted at the same time. In the same case, she would likely be more careful about how to proceed when she is confronted, which was always either ignored or fought with the same intensity.

I don't really understand this part. Could you phrase it more clearly?

[Alduskkel]

I deliberately said "weird" in 322 because I'm not scumreading Miss Lynch. I just disagree with the way she's scumhunting. I don't yet have a good read on her alignment, and I don't want to tunnel on someone just because we're having an unfriendly interaction.

so how do you plan on fixing that

This afternoon I'll have a go.

Y'shtola

Her questioning of things feels genuine and I empathise with her reading people based on feels, as is shown in 380.

Klick

I kinda wish that 51 wasn't a "troll response" because I actually kinda agree with it.
104 - I find it a little bit odd that Klick seemed openly indifferent towards the Teeky wagon although TSE, whom Klick was voting at the time, was on there. I feel as though Klick would be more opposed to the wagon in that case.

Auro

144 - I don't get what's -worthy about that.
277 - "I want to alt-hunt Rhul." - I presume this is because you believe it will help you read her? Otherwise I'm not seeing the point.

TSE

145 -> 146 - My immediate feeling was that this was scummy (sort of like an "argh damn I shouldn't have said that" response) but upon thinking about it a bit more carefully... is it really a scum's immediate thought to say "yes that's exactly what I'm doing" when they see someone accusing them of doing something scummy? I also kinda feel like the same kind of logic applies to 151.
185 - You seem to be failing to realise that saying someone is a VT narrows down the possibilities of who could be mason. It's hunting them by PoE.

So I prompted Egix to actually do some scumhunting but this post is very underwhelming. No real scumreads, hell no real townreads either.

Why are we not wagoning this?

[Alduskkel]

Don't worry about Yshtola, pops. We're masons.

[Alduskkel]

why

[Alduskkel]

well from my perspective I didn't know what aether meant and unlike you I wasn't "mostly sure" it meant town-aligned.

my interest in understanding what yshtola meant comes from 1) seeing if her reads influence mine and 2) assessing her own alignment

pedit: what is a closed-fist-raccoon-trap

[Alduskkel]

Okay, you got me pops. The truth is I don't have a very strong scumread on Egix. I wanted to act like it was (and, ideally, create a wagon) in order to pressure the slot into giving more AI information.

Why do you scumread pops, Auro?

[Alduskkel]

Auro smells a bit off. Too much off-topic stuff or jokes.

how much content would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck content?

[Alduskkel]

My purpose in this game is to find players with an exceptional quality aether. Whether they are warriors of light or sin eaters is sadly not up to me to decide, for I cannot tell the difference between them.

Pops, it seems obvious that Rhul means there's simply readable content from the three but isn't sure if alignment, she then says ML could "go either way" - I'm surprised you'd misinterpret this.

this was also my interpretation of yshtola's post

[Alduskkel]

auro, how confident are you that I'm town?

[Alduskkel]

especially since I’m a VT

[Alduskkel]

1¥£#¥$

Very interesting.

[Alduskkel]

I'm falling behind and losing motivation to care as I'm starting to get the feeling pushing anyone is actually anti-town. Maybe if we all shush then scum will have to shoot out of sheer boredom.

Why is pushing anyone anti-town?

That's Suji. I feel less confident about that than Egix though.

You're less confident about Suji than Egix, yet you're voting Suji?

Not presenting a case vs presenting a case is part of why it's a sorting mechanism. If I give a valid reason as to why I think Albion should be lynched, then anyone voting with me is either merely giving me a shot or thinks I have a bit of a case. But if my Albacore vote contains nothing of the sort, then any votes that join me on voting him have their own reasons for voting him. It's my own way of encouraging people to come out of the closet on certain reads they might be holding. It also gives scum a chance to vote for him, because my vote gives his wagon more equity and indicates that town might be more willing to vote him than they previously thought. An influx of votes on Alfred with little to no explanation would quickly indicate he is likely town.

I sorta see the logic here, but at the same time a sudden influx of votes on me might also just indicate that I'm scummy scum.

VOTE: Popsofctown catching up in a bit.

Don't like this vote.

I didn’t read ML’s posts at all and can tell it’s probably scum Motivated
Although Pops responds with Suji before I also don’t like.

what

how can you tell someone's posts are scum motivated if you didn't read them
i don't even know what your second sentence is trying to say

{Pops, Suji, Egix, Woodchuck} 4/4

Is this your pick for the scumteam?

[Alduskkel]

Ow, I guess my confusion fu didn't work.

[Alduskkel]

I'll concede that Chemist knows what he's doing.

I what

[Alduskkel]

THAT WAS MEANT TO BE POSTED IN THE DEAD THREAD I'M SORRY

[Alduskkel]

Agh! GG scum. Especially on the mason shooting and the false associations.

It was painful watching the town tear itself apart after Klick and pops died though.

Thanks for modding Hectic.